Daring to Dream: Why I support R-B in '08
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In his end-of-year reflections, Jed Babbin captured the mixed sentiments of many conservatives these days—a rueful wound-licking after the November "thumpin’” exacerbated by a bemused distaste for the current crop of 2008 Republican presidential candidates. The combination has produced an almost palpable malaise (take note, Mr. Carter—this is what a malaise looks like) among our ranks, as 2008 provides no exciting prospect of revenge for 2006. There’s nothing particularly compelling around which to rally, no bright future to anticipate. Instead, we have the prospect of settling for one among a pool of "declareds" all of whom, for various reasons, are fundamentally flawed. It’s not that there’s nothing to admire among them—some are heroic, some charismatic, some strongly principled. Some even have great hair. But none of them bring all those characteristics together in an effective way and we're left squabbling over who is the least flawed.
As an antidote to this malaise, Jed suggested the ticket of Donald Rumsfeld and John Bolton in ’08:
I dreamt, for one fleeting moment, about a Rumsfeld-Bolton ticket in 2008. Can you imagine how much Prozac the New York Times editors would consume if that dream came true? R-B in '08?
Jed's fleeting dream brought a wan smile to my face. But as the last few weeks have gone by, as I’ve watched candidates on both sides of the aisle begin to show their hands—and so to reveal what pathetically weak hands they are-—this dream has shown some staying power. Especially after Mark's Al Haig post, in which he made a good point. It might behoove those of us who aren’t too thrilled with either the new political reality of post-2006 Washington or with the prospects we’re being offered for 2008 to cast our net a little wider than the current field--and to look beyond the flash to the substance.
R-B in ’08. Why not?
Well, according to conventional wisdom, the obvious answer would be that both the R and the B were hounded from office after the recent mid-term election—followed by the date of birth of the head of the ticket and the moustache, and all it entails, of the second.
To heck with conventional wisdom. I think those are precisely the reasons we should nominate them.
Let's dare to dream for a moment, shall we?
Read on . . .
I freely admit that Jed's proposed slate plays straight into my personal inclinations--that's why it caught my attention. But that's not the whole story. My approach to politics is fairly simple as I have three primary issues: national security, managing the economy and judicial appointments. My ideal candidates would be vigorous and aggressive on the first, pro-business and hands-off but not utterly heartless on the second, and staunchly conservative on the third. On a simple scale of one to three, I give the R-B ticket a three on each issue, with a "NA" for Mr. Rumsfeld on judicial appointments because he doesn't have a record on this (more below). Of course, in this hypothetical, Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Bolton enjoy an unfair advantage over the current declareds in that they are already a two-man ticket and so Mr. Bolton's strengths can bolster Mr. Rumsfeld's. What if, you ask, Mr. Giuliani were to combine forces with a Jon Kyl? That would be a very strong move on the Mayor's part, but one that would serve to shore up existing weakness. I'd prefer to start from a position of strength.
The fundamental issue here is one of competence. Both Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Bolton are enormously accomplished individuals whose public and private lives qualify them far better for the White House than any other candidate running. Scan their both their official and Wiki biographies (for Rumsfeld here and here, for Bolton here and here)—you might think you're already familiar with them, but there's eye-opening stuff there. While I agree with Mark that General Haig has had a noteworthy career--I would call his resume pretty gleaming sterling--he pales a little bit in comparison to Mr. Rumsfeld. Working class mid-western roots. Eagle scout. Princeton on a ROTC and academic scholarship. Olympic-class athlete. Naval aviator (instructor) turned national guard (active until 1989). Four-term congressman. Head of Nixon's Office of Economic Development. Ambassador to NATO. Ford's Chief of Staff and Secretary of Defense. A special advisor on foreign and military policy to Presidents Reagan, GHW Bush and Clinton, which was a sideline during a period when he was making a substantial personal fortune in the private sector turning around troubled drug and technology companies with viable products (we would not have Diet Coke--and so I would not have a PhD--were it not for Donald Rumsfeld, American hero).
And then there's his most recent performance as Secretary of Defense. Rather than running away from this record, how about running on it? How about trumpeting the military success of the missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, and highlighting the need for inter-agency reform to offset the problems we have encountered in reconstruction? How about focusing on the progress that has been made in transforming the structure and culture of the military, which, given its existing structure and culture, is remarkable? How about trotting out the retired generals who are strongly pro-Rumsfeld (Franks, Myers, Moore, McInerney, etc.) to explain why they support him? A high-profile early retirement by another general over the next 6-8 months might yield another invaluable media surrogate along these lines. And while we're talking about the media, Mr. Rumsfeld is hardly a novice in this department. Sure, the media hate him about as much as they hate President Bush, but he has demonstrated time and time again that he can handle them. How will, say, a Senator McCain contend with a suddenly hostile press by comparison?
For icing on the cake, there's Mr. Bolton. Just briefly, he was appointed Assistant Attorney General under President Reagan (for a full roster of his appointments in the Reagan justice department, see his C.V. linked above). He has extensive private sector legal experience, in the course of which he specialized in trade and investment law, as well as constitutional law. He has been a tireless crusader against the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. He has a clear and unvarnished vision of our international position. And, of course, who can forget:
"I'm with the Bush-Cheney team and I'm here to stop the count."
So let's see what we have here: At the top of the ticket, impeccable military and foreign policy expertise. Experience in both the executive and legislative branches. Success in the private sector. Combine that with the strengths of the VP, which are not only diplomatic but also judicial, and it seems to me a win-win.
Hmmm, you say, what about likability? Neither man is particularly warm and fuzzy—although I would pay good money to see either on Oprah. But you can learn a lot about a candidate by the company that they keep—what you might call their personal endorsements. So who likes Donald Rumsfeld and John Bolton? And who doesn’t?
For starters, Ronald Reagan liked Don Rumsfeld. So did Milton Friedman. Margaret Thatcher still does. Dick Cheney likes him too, as do Joe Lieberman, Victor Davis Hanson, Henry Kissinger, Mitch McConnell and George Schultz (who appointed him special envoy to the middle east). A surprising number of retired and active generals and admirals like—and perhaps more importantly—respect him. What’s more, Mrs. Rumsfeld likes him after being married to him for more than half a century, as do his three children and, to all accounts, his dog.
On the other hand, who doesn’t like him? The editorial pages of the New York Times and the Washington Post definitely do not (of course their discomfiture was the basis of Jed's first proposing the ticket). Jimmy Carter called Mr. Rumsfeld "one of the worst secretaries of defense we've ever had." Jacques Chirac is not a fan. Neither are Carl Levin, Arlen Specter, Andrew Sullivan, Hugo Chavez, Maureen Dowd, Bill Kristol and Teddy Kennedy.
That is a group of pretty weak sisters in my book. On what, exactly, should we take their collective advice? Certainly not on our choice of presidential candidates.
As for Mr. Bolton, you might think no one likes him—but that’s not so. Ronald Reagan liked him very much as did Jean Kirkpatrick. The Israelis like him. So do a surprising number of his former colleagues at the United Nations. And Jesse Helms. And Mitch McConnell. And Jon Kyl. And Joe Lieberman. And Henry Kissinger (this link works for George Schultz, too). And Jeff Goldstein.
Who doesn't like him? Linc Chaffee. Kofi Annan. There's Jimmy Carter again. Not to mention the Iranians. And the North Koreans call Mr. Bolton "human scum."
'Nuff said.
So what could we look forward to from a R-B administration? First and foremost, we could look forward to a no holds-barred pursuit of American interests, and a rigorous prosecution of the global war on terror. That's really the point of this entire exercise. I want the President and Vice President who are best qualified to protect us from the threat of Islamic jihad and to defend our global position. Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Bolton have been consistently demonstrating by word and deed not just for a few months or years but for decades that they would do just that. Two specific policy initiatives come to mind that Mr. Rumsfeld is uniquely qualified to pursue. One is that inter-agency reform I mentioned above. This would have to do with how the departments of our government interact, and handle projects such as the reconstruction of Iraq. Existing protocols make synergizing resources difficult if not impossible, and so Defense, State, Treasury and Justice can be working at cross-purposes with disastrous results. This must change, and it will entail not only revamping how the departments communicate, but also how they are funded by Congress. It's a daunting task, and only someone who knows where every bone is buried around the federal government could even attempt it--yet if we don't at least try, we're doomed to the status quo, which is obviously not good enough.
The other is to redefine how we function in the international community. Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Bolton are forthright enough to admit that United Nations as it currently exists is a failed experiment and does far more harm than good. But in this age of globalization we will need some international body that can function both in terms of humanitarian aid and as a peacekeeping force--and that should be prepared to take military action when necessary. Is this NATO? A web of regional alliances based on NATO? A new organization altogether that has actual standards for membership? It seems to me that R-B, perhaps more than any duo on the planet, are qualified to address this thorny but crucial issue.
In addition, we might expect Mr. Bolton to play an integral role in initiating a thorough reform of our troubled state department, which might be under the leadership of Zalmay Khalilzad. The inability of State to function effectively through the difficult challenges of the last few years should be a glaring indicator that the department needs an overhaul--to wit, just yesterday the current Secretary of State admitted that she cannot staff almost half of the civilian positions for which she is responsible in Iraq, and that they will have to be filled with military personel. It is quickly becoming apparent that Mr. Rumsfeld was right when he pointed out in his Nov. 6th memo that the other departments have proven more or less useless in Iraq--and of course was reviled for his arrogance. But he was pointing to a terrible weakness we cannot afford. Reforming the culture and systems at State might well be the greatest achievement of the R-B administration, and they would be prepared to hit the ground running on this project.
And while we’re playing fantasy cabinet, it seems to me that in a R-B administration, Rudy Giuliani (in my opinion the most attractive of the current declareds) would hardly sit idle. We might anticipate him assuming the role for which he was born—The Scourge of Evil-Doers, or rather Attorney General of the United States. Both domestically and in terms of the pursuit of the global war on terror, Mr. Giuliani’s performance as AG would have potentially historic ramifications.
And what of domestic policy? It is true that foreign and military policy would be the foundations of this ticket, and the premise that the global war on terror is the dominating issue of our day would be its motivating factor. But that is not to say that there is no reason to suspect that domestic policy would be neglected. After all, Mr. Rumsfeld served four terms in congress, among other credentials that suggest he would not have trouble crafting a domestic agenda. In terms of the economy, Mr. Rumsfeld’s dramatic personal success in the private sector should count as strong currency. After all, Ross Perot based his entire 1992 presidential bid on his corporate background, which he claimed would allow him to bring a CEO’s fiscally conservative perspective to the White House. There is every reason to expect Mr. Rumsfeld to be a strongly pro-business president.
But, you ask, where would Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Bolton stand on judicial appointments? It's an important question, and one they would need to address. Neither have been particularly vocal in this field, although as a distinguished lawyer and former Assistant Attorney General, we can assume Mr. Bolton would be able to present constructive advice. At the very least, there is no troubling record of squishyness to try to explain away.
Then there's the question of how this duo would actually play. How about that synergy that a presidential and vice-presidential ticket are supposed to have to form an effective ticket? Remember Bill, Hillary, Al and Tipper jumping up and down to “Don’t Stop Thinkin’ About Tomorrow?” Or, conversely, the cautionary tale that was George Bush and Dan Quayle? R-B in ’08 would avoid both the false camaraderie of the Clinton-Gore team and the disconnect that was Bush-Quayle. Because they would be colleagues that respect each other and could work together without needing to break into choruses of kumbaya. The only reason either of these gentlemen would be on the ticket would be because of their competence. Not their home state, their gender, their ethnicity or even their hair. Just because they can get the job done—together—and get it done better than anyone else.
That’s an oddly startling notion, isn’t it? And a refreshing one at that.
Let us return for a moment to the delicate and inter-related issues of Mr. Rumsfeld's date of birth and Mr. Bolton's moustache--what might be termed the "Rumfeld's too old and Bolton's too mean" criticism of this ticket. Quite frankly, I would say that's pretty weak stuff in comparison to the concerns I have about Senator McCain, Mayor Giuliani and Governor Romney. I guess the worry with Mr. Rumsfeld is that having entered this world in 1934, he is more likely to depart it before 2012 than, say, Mitt Romney. If that's our logic, then we should also discount John McCain and Rudy Giuliani from contention since they're both cancer survivors and so much more likely to die of that disease before 2012 than Governor Romney. But this logic isn't helping me to jump on the Romney bandwagon. Mr. Rumsfeld is in excellent health and he enjoys a legendary stamina. Just ask his former aides, many of whom are still trying to shake the brutal coffee habit necessitated by working for him. In our media culture, he is fortunate not to look his age, and is hardly uncharismatic. Furthermore, it should count for something that we live in perilous times. Fresh-faced youth may be seductive, but we might do well to remember that these candidates are not auditioning for a toothpaste commercial. Mr. Rumsfeld's perspective and experience--both of which are more substantial than any of his prospective opponents--might serve us better than a pretty face in the coming years. He also might use his age to his advantage and declare himself a one-term president who is willing to go for broke rather than worry about getting re-elected. Especially with his VP already in place entering the primaries.
Speaking of the VP, there's the moustache. That's facial hair with attitude. It tells you something about the man. No, John Bolton is unlikely to be indulgent or "feel your pain" in the Clinton tradition. But in real terms he is far from unsympathetic--after all, he has been a more serious advocate for the poorest and most disadvantaged of this world than his clean-shaven critics, notably Kofi Annan and Jimmy Carter. He might not tear up at his press conferences (actually, he does do that on occasion), but he will work tirelessly to right injustice. And if the occasional stapler gets tossed about in the course of this work, that's alright by me.
R-B in '08 may also have an advantage in the media frenzy that surrounds both men. Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Bolton can grab the cameras and rivet public attention—and they don’t have to dress in spandex or make a movie to get someone to show up with a microphone. They also benefit from the fact that when people actually listen to them, as opposed to listening to selected and selective press reports about them, they come away with a favorable impression. Yes, they would both have to “reintroduce” themselves to the American people in the guise of candidates, but that shouldn’t be too much of a problem. After all, two of the names mentioned in various other malaise articles as anecdotes to the current declared include former Vice President Dan Quayle and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich—and with all due respect to those two gentlemen, if their public reputations can be rehabilitated to the extent that they are being seriously considered, then Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Bolton are certainly fair game.
We should also consider why Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Bolton left their respective posts as Secretary of Defense and Ambassador to the UN at the end of last year. Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Bolton departed because the democrats took control of congress. They were the true casualties of the 2006 election cycle—not Former Speaker Dennis Hastert, who remains in the House, or Senator John Warner, who remains on the Senate Armed Services committee. Republicans such as they are perfectly palatable to the new Congressional majority. “We can work with Republicans like this” seems to be the motto." But in this alternate universe, Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Bolton had to go. They were ones with whom the Democrats felt they could not work. In my opinion, the feckless and potentially destructive behavior already displayed by the new congress is a good reason to see its influence as a negative indicator. After all, do we want a president who has Nancy Pelosi’s personal stamp of approval? Or would we prefer one who is in all practical terms the anti-Pelosi?
Talk about your easy questions.
In the end, R-B in '08 might be but a dream, but reflecting on it is an instructive exercise as we desperately try to fit the square pegs that are our declared candidates into the round hole of what we really need. We owe it to ourselves to nominate our most qualified candidates who have the most profound understanding of the national security challenges we face. We need a president and a vice president who are cool under fire. Who function in the real world but who are not strangers to idealism. Who have a clear vision of where this country needs to be 10, 20, even 50 years out and form their policy accordingly—not with an eye to the next election cycle. Who think like CEOs but understand that they are the servants, not the corporate head honchos, of the American taxpayer. Who are singularly unimpressed by the pretensions of our enemies—and many of our so-called allies—but who are profoundly humble before the greatness of our nation. Who see our country as larger than themselves.
And who are Republicans so dyed in the wool that the Democrats respond with appalled horror at the very mention of their names.
I have to wonder from how many the notion of a R-B in '08 ticket elicits a response of "I wish." Well, it seems to me that if we want to win this thing, we have to stop wishing, shake off the cobwebs and focus on what really matters. Do we have to compromise? To make do with second best? Or could we--should we--dare to dream?
Bolton yes!Rumsfeld no! Didn't Rummy have a hand in two losing wars?
Enlighten me--what two wars did we lose during Mr. Rumsfeld's tenure?
"I'm kind of old-fashioned. I like to engage my brain before my mouth." Donald Rumsfeld
I believe the OP is refering to the fact that Mr. Rumsfeld was the Secretary of Defense under Ford, when Saigon fell.
I assume the the second "losing war" is the current war in Iraq.
By the way being Secretary of Defense twice gives Mr. Rumsfeld the distinction of being both the youngest and oldest Secretary of Defense we've ever had.
Now, there is a ticket I'd be behind 100% :-)
I think Rumsfeld would be fantastic in the debates. I don't know whether the idea has long-term legs, but having Rumsfeld in the debates along with Bolton would really give the Times something to fear and hate. And I sense an actual, genuine opportunity there for Rumsfeld.
Let's put it this way: at this early stage, Wesley Clark still has not announced his intentions. His campaign in the last election cycle was driven almost entirely by George Soros' money, and supported by Donks who wanted to appear "sensitive but tough." And he got a lot of traction -- a surprising amount of traction and media coverage, actually -- for a military man. And I think he's just biding his time right now.
I'll be very disappointed if one of our retired R military people don't throw their hat into the ring this time.
I'm squirreling away a nest egg of campaign support money for the people I want to see in the race. There are a few of them right now, and I intend to donate to all of them. If Rumsfeld/Bolton threw their hat into the ring, they would be on my short list for funds.
*ESPECIALLY IF* Clark decides to run again.
I think what we really need in this campaign is more Republican/Conservative diversity, and I can't think of anyone who would shake up the field and focus the mind more positively than Donald Rumsfeld.
And let's face it, folks. John Bolton got the rawest deal in history. I know that NRA members like me would give him the chance to speak, especially out of gratitude for his absolutely crystal-clear statements and actions against the United Nations Gun Banners and their friends from Soros' foundation.
I think the debates are the real reason to support this ticket. Imagine them taking on Obama-Clark? Or Clinton-Obama?
Pass the popcorn.
"I'm kind of old-fashioned. I like to engage my brain before my mouth." Donald Rumsfeld
I think the strongest strategy the Republicans can adopt going forward is to field the most qualified candidates from the widest possible variety of backgrounds. I would love to see Jim Lehrer have to ask Donald Rumsfeld questions about national security, or ask John Bolton on his views about the United Nations and its role. We let those opportunities slip away at our peril. 5+ for this post, AE.
I've come to realize in the past month that the best thing I can do to help Republicans win in 2008 is not to preemptively cull the prospective candidates from the field, but instead to encourage them to enter. The Democrats will have similar audacity: look at the last lineup they fielded. And they're going to have a lot of money to push forward "alternative" candidates.
I think we're all going to have to dig deeply on this and expand our range of choices. Just in terms of media coverage, it's an incredibly important move, but I also think that Rumsfeld is underrated as a Presidential candidate and he could really shake up the field. Everyone on both sides of the aisle will have to burn the midnight oil to counter his debating skills, and his NatSec acumen.
Let's not let Wesley Clark take another Big Check from George Soros and become the only military man in this race. I don't ever want to see that happen again.
just for debates, assuming the format allowed a bit more, uh, substance, than the glorified press conferences they are now. What a clash of ideas that would be.
Sorry, Rumsfeld became Sec. of Defense after James Schlessinger and did not supervise the withdrawal from Viet Nam, but his leadership on Iraq has floundered. In addition, from 1971 to 1972, he was Counsellor to the President and Director of the Economic Stabilization Program, you remember the days of wage and price controls and inflation spiraling out of control. The man is good when things work out, but is like a deer in the headlights when it is time to go to plan B. He is too stubborn to realize when he wrong and needs to change course.
I'm glad I asked as blaming Mr. Rumsfeld for losing Vietnam is a new one for me.
As for his stint at OED, I wonder if you have someone better than a disciple and friend of Milton Friedman to propose as the steward of our economy? Why would Friedman be so friendly to someone who stubbornly remained an advocate of such economic controls?
"I'm kind of old-fashioned. I like to engage my brain before my mouth." Donald Rumsfeld
It's almost a utopia. Well done, bravo, ect ect.
I can think of no ticket that would have the moonbats litterally speachless for a time and then evaporate in a huge cloud of hatred induced implosions.
I don't think for a minute this pair would be elected after all the negative history, true or not, that exists, but barring that this ticket could lead us from the wilderness.
Well done is better than well said. —Benjamin Franklin
Maybe wait till he wins the war.
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don't make good politicians, at least not good politicians the way that word has come to be defined in the mush-minded, mass media, sound-bite world in which we live.
If you are going to be a Republican appointee or policy-level specialist of some sort, e.g., Rumsfeld and Bolton. You are going to leave a trail of blood in your wake if you are to be effective. Careers end, fiefdoms are shattered, and you are hated and feared. I remember thinking as I saw Bolton being mau-maued for being mean to subordinates how glad I was that I didn't have to withstand confirmation.
Just the way that people like Rumsfeld and Bolton think and talk is off-putting to much of the electorate and especially to many women. Clear ideas cogently argued in simple declarative grammatically correct sentences just scares Hell out of lots and lots of people. Their instinctive reaction is to think that you're mean, and in America today, we're not supposed to like mean people.
The "candidate class" has tailored itself to the mush-minded mass that couldn't say "s**t with a mouthful of it" by becoming just like them. The CW is that a candidate really cannot take a definitive position, cannot really, passionately believe in anything because to do so is indicative of the greatest sin in post-modern America, intolerance.
An R-B candidacy, or one remotely like it, would, no doubt, be met by revulsion by the chattering class and, unfortunately, by those who listen only to the chattering class. I mean, after all, they're mean and scary; they might frighten the children. If such a campaign were run by conventional means with the focus on national and electronic media, it would be lucky to get 15%.
That said, and as I've discussed in other posts, we are killing ourselves by running that sort of campaign and trying to make all our "news" from DC and NY. It should be an iron-clad article of faith that Republican officeholders and candidates do nothing in DC except show up to work and vote. Elections cannot be won in DC or NY, but they can certainly be lost, so why go there? Make your appearances out in the Red and Purple states and get your coverage from local and regional media. We don't need everything we say and do filtered through the NYT, WaPo, and the networks. We don't need to do the kind of mindless pablum that makes commercials acceptable to an Oprah audience.
A campaign by a real man, or better yet, a campaign by a real man teamed with a real woman that likes real men could have success if it went straight to the voters and avoided the national media like the plague that it is. It would take a whole new way of thinking by the consultants and apprachniks that run campaigns, but we need something new; we're losing with what we have. Rove showed some of this idea in GWB's campaigns and some of his issue initiatives, and I think it was largely successful; he went out to the folks, to use O'Reilly's phrase.
It's worth a try, 'cause what we're doing ain't working.
In Vino Veritas
"Clear ideas cogently argued in simple declarative grammatically correct sentences just scares Hell out of lots and lots of people."
Yes, but didn't that help Reagan as a persuader? Granted he was very charismatic, but his willingness to make bold statements was a help to both his election and his party.
And then there's GWB in 2000. IMO, much of his appeal was that you knew what you were getting, even if you weren't overfoind of some things.
Bravery sells well, when mixed with wisdom. I'd love to see an unabashedly conservative candidate this time around. To cede the arena of ideas to the left is a plan to surrender Congress, even if we win the presidency based on Republican mettle on foreign policy.
I've only been posting about looking at a Bolton candidacy for the past year or so, glad to see we are picking up steam!
As a moderate Dem, I would be awfully pleased to see the Republican Party lurch even farther to the right by running on Rumsfeld's awful record Iraq. Their bumper sticker: "Just enough to lose!"
BTW, I wouldn't call Bill Kristol a "weak sister." He's got solid creds as a righty, and there are plenty more. And don't forget:
Maj. Gen. Charles Swannack (82nd Airborne Division)
Marine Corps Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold
Gen. Anthony Zinni (U.S. Central Command chief)
Maj. Gen. John Batiste
Maj. Gen. John Riggs
Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton
And many others in the military who thought Rumsfeld was, at best, godawful as SecDef. He's got no credibility with the military on military matters, and so he'll have no credibility with the American public on security matters.
By all means, run. Seriously. Then step aside and be quite for 8 years after the election.
...are actually still in the military - and which were even in when Rumsfeld became SedDef under Bush 43?
Boat-rockers like him usually do. You have to remember that he came back into the Pentagon like a bull in a china shop. And when you do that, you step on toes. And when you step on toes, the people attached to the toes react viscerally.
Or you can not rock the boat and make no enemies in doing so -- like the milquetoast Bill Cohen. But that doesn't necessarily serve the country well. By the time DR re-assumed the SecDef office in 2001, we were roughly 10 years removed from the Cold War. The military had been sufficiently shrunk since that time. But, other than sheer size, it was still largely the same military as it was when the Cold War ended -- to the eternal disgrace of Messrs. Aspin, Perry, and Cohen.
You also have to remember that there was no shortage of people, including generals, who simply didn't favor the Iraq policy itself -- regardless of how it was executed. You mentioned Zinni, he made no bones about being one of them.
What exactly would you expect them to say of the policy's executors?
At the time of Rumsfeld becoming SecDef, there were a good number of military people who are now voicing their opinions about how terribly Rumsfeld ran it. Newbold, for example, retired in late 2002, so he appears to meet your definition. I think, however you want to make the larger point of who served in Iraq under the policy?
Even then you're missing the larger point (as well as Batiste's testimony). If Rumsfeld runs for POTUS there are plenty (and I mean plenty) of military who will campaign and vote against him. If this is Rumsfeld's strong point he's not going to get anywhere with it.
I would say Batiste is a pretty thin hook on which to hang your hat--especially combined with the likes of Zinni. I'm not sure who this "plenty" is of which you speak, but it seems to me there are actually plenty more who would be strongly supportive of the move--especially among the ranks of the 2 and three stars who got their promotions under Mr. Rumsfeld instead, as Jeff points out, under Mr. Perry or Mr. Cohen.
And I disagree about Kristol. I think he's been pretty lame for the last few years, and dead wrong on this issue. He deserves the company in which he finds himself.
"I'm kind of old-fashioned. I like to engage my brain before my mouth." Donald Rumsfeld
Bill, Irving, or Gertrude H, I'll take your word for it.
In a general election, however, the ones that can get word to the voters are the ones that matter. Active duty military are unable to campaign for a Rumsfeld candidacy, so while you might discount the retired military from the equation I have to remind you that they will be the only ones talking from the military, and so it simply won't look good.
I myself would welcome a Rumsfeld run. He deserves a drubbing after blaming everyone but himself for the mess we now have in Iraq. What's he going to run on? That he hired the wrong people for the job? That he underestimated the foe? That he had a great plan that didn't work out? That, in the end, he took one for Bush? None of these things say "leadership? to me.
Rumsfeld was handed Iraq after a brilliant campaign to take the country, using the "Powell Doctrine." And he f*cked it up, despite years of support by the President. Surely right-wing Republicans can do better than Rumsfeld to represent their views, but if they do, I'll certainly be watching.,
there are a handful of generals, to be sure, who resented having to work for a living. But Rumsfeld would carry the military vote by Ronald Reagan margins.
I haven't seen 2006 military vote results/polls (have you? I'm not challenging you--just wondering if you have any sources).
But it isn't necessarily how the military will vote. After all, there are fewer active military than in any state's population. And, with upper military ranks being up to 8-1 Republican if they don't go Republican by at least a majority there is something seriously wrong. But don't underestimate the effect of the hardly-liberal Military Times asking for Rumsfeld's resignation.
The real question is Rumsfeld's ability to pose himself as a security expert to the general population (so to speak). I just don't see it happening.
But while I would like to see a Rumsfeld presidency, and a Bolton Vice Presidency (perhaps he could directly handle the UN ?) I don't think its a viable ticket. Rumsfeld has been the media's dartboard since he took office. He would have an enormous amount of animus to overcome.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
In a word, there's one reason why this team isn't fit for high office: incompetence.
Regardless of their ideology or likeability, Rumsfeld was the architect of a failed war and Bolton has no real accomplishments to point to. This ticket would be lunacy for the Republicans.
see Clinton, Bill, 1992 and Clinton, Bill, 1996.
I think most Americans will come home to the strong ticket of Rumsfeld-Bolton after seeing what the Dems have to offer.
And as for accomplishments... well, you must admit that they certainly do tick off the antiwar movement. Admittedly, not hard, but still a plus in the column.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.
...I'm sorry, but I tend to think of Donald Rumsfeld as one of the most competent leaders and managers to have ever graced the halls of government. Are you familiar with his track record at Searle, as just one example? What about the challenge he undertook in the Pentagon to remake the military from one designed to fight the Cold War to one designed to fight a very different kind of war?
Incompetent people couldn't do such things.
I tend to disagree with your conclusion about Iraq, too -- it's not even over, how can it have failed? But that's neither here nor there on Rumsfeld's qualities as a leader. The more I've learned about him -- the way he asks questions and demands creativity and results and such -- I just can't agree with your conclusion about him.
As for Bolton, it's hard to say. He was never given much of a chance to do much at the UN. But I sure I have to say that he impressed the heck out of me in his Congressional hearings and such.
All this being said, this seems like yet another flight of fancy.
With all due respect, you're delusional if you think the words "Rumsfeld" and "competence" will ever be seen together in a single sentence.
As for Iraq, it's over. Time to move on. We bungled it, lost Iraq and made enemies everywhere where we should have made friends. It's an unmitigated disaster and I'm embarrassed for having defended it in the first years.
Maybe you should stay away from dogmatic pontificating about the war.
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The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke
I'm not really all that impressed with Will Farrell as an actor.
Was it any good?
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.
And I'm not a huge Will Farrell fan either (really didn't care for Anchorman at all). Then again, I *am* a huge NASCAR fan, so perhaps that skewed my perception.
In any event, if you had seen the movie, you would understand that saying "with all due respect" allows you to say whatever insulting thing you want to, without the fear of repercussions.
At least, that's the way it goes according to Ricky Bobby.
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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...
-John Locke
I think the Dems would be dancing with joy for a ticket like this. It would hand them the presidency on a platter. Since they have a pretty weak field, the best thing they can hope for is a Republican with a long, controversial record they can go negative on.
First of all, let me say that I think this is a rather silly thread. Obviously, the Republicans are not going to nominate Donald Rumsfeld for president. It strikes me as one of those "If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve" kind of things.
But let me address your point, anyway.
Did you by any chance read Noemie Emery's column "Irresolution" at WeeklyStandard.com yesterday? It's a good column all the way around. Basically, she's saying that the Democrats have gotten themselves in a politically bad spot -- but that they don't realize it. They get no credit for success in Iraq, if and when it comes...and only half of the credit if it doesn't.
But I'd direct you to her point in the following passage as commentary on your post:
The one thing on which [the Democrats] are always consistent is their faithful adherence to polls--to the poll of the day and the mood of the moment, the problem being that the day and the moment can change. That's because their eyes are on regaining the White House next year. But the present, intense as it is, is often a poor predictor of what will come next. The great Republican landslide of 1994 was not predictable from a January 1993 standpoint; the Democratic triumph of 2006 was not predictable from a January 2005 standpoint; and the political mood in January 2007 may be a poor prognosticator of the political climate of 2008. Bush was a genius in 2004, and a dupe two years later, just as Clinton was a genius in 1992 and a survivor two years after that.
Truer words were never spoken. Your post assumes, perhaps correctly perhaps not, that conditions won't improve in Iraq prior to the next political cycle. If you're right, then your point will be valid. If you're not, then what?
That's the Dems problem in '08. They've effectively bet everything on failure in Iraq. It worked for them in '06 and they may be right and conditions won't improve. If so, they can probably expect a nice political reward for it.
If not.....
(I don't direct this to the author, but instead to many of the commenters.)
How can so many people here be wild about Rumsfeld and still agree with Petraeus' new strategy that includes a surge of forces? The strategies of the two men are incompatible.
Rumsfeld focused on maintaing a light footprint meant only to contain the violence until the Iraqi army could be trained to take over the fight. He thought adding more troops was a undesirable option, as seen in the memo he wrote exploring other options in Iraq.
Petreus' counterinsurgency strategy calls for an ideally much larger force which will be used to protect the civilian population and to actually decrease violence. Implicit is the idea that America will win much of the fight, not just contain it till we can hand it off.
Implicit in the shift in strategies is the recognition that the old strategy (effectively Rumsfeld's strategy) was failing. Either support Rumsfeld or support Petraeus.
You can be generally fond of one...but not of the other? Why, because they have different viewpoints on a war strategy?
I support both of them. I can't say I know much about Gen. Petraeus. But I know quite a bit about Sec. Rumsfeld and think highly of him based on what I know.
You make it sound as if supporting the "surge" strategy necessarily means that you have to be a Rumsfeld critic. And that's just logically vacuous.
I agree with you, LH--I don't think it's an either or. As far as I know, Rumsfeld always was eager to consult with General Petraeus when he was in DC, and they were together the day after Rumsfeld resigned--they may not be close personal best friends but I don't see a fundamental animosity here.
"I'm kind of old-fashioned. I like to engage my brain before my mouth." Donald Rumsfeld
MSavage (seemingly interested in running for GOP nom) could, if elected, reappoint R-B to their former positions!

Bold and brave at the same time. The Dems look like a clown act in comparison. Sign me up.
"Damnant quod non intellegunt."