My support for Huckabee and my problems with Rudy Giuliani -A Continuation:

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Most of Rudy Giuliani’s proponents point to his tough on crime stances, policies on limited government, tax cuts, and other economic issues as well as his response to the crisis as Mayor of NY on 911 as a reason to support him as the candidate most likely to deal with the War on Terror.

As I stated in my blog entry dated 12/8/2007, My support for Huckabee and my problems with the other Republican Candidates, Rudy’s response to the 911 crisis certainly points to his ability to handle a major disaster in one of the nation’s largest cities and makes a compelling case that he would have done a far better job of handling the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, and organizing the rescue of New Orleans citizens than Ray Nagan. However, I fail to see how this experience specially equips him to handle our nation’s foreign policy and the overall War on Terror. I suppose one could consider his time as a prosecutor as equipping him to deal with terrorists in our court system but that would require us to believe as the Democrats do that Terrorism is a crime issue and not an issue worthy of declaring war in the truest sense of the word.

The issue that causes me the most heartburn when looking at Rudy’s record stems from his 10/29/1994 endorsement of the ultraliberal and the ultimate socialist Mario Coumo for Governor of NY. Many have dismissed this as a demonstration of his anger at the machinations of Senator Al D’Mato who was backing the Republican Candidate for Governor of NY that year. Whatever the reason, his endorsement of Cuomo came two weeks before the election and I believe was deliberately timed to torpedo any chance of Republicans controlling the State house in 1994. Whether I am correct in this assumption matters little. Whether Rudy made this endorsement as a slap at Pataki and D’Mato in a fit of petty rage, or because his principles were more closely in line with the liberal Cuomo, it is inconceivable to me how anyone could consider him as the top nominee of our party. I’ll let Rudy speak for himself as to why he endorsed Cuomo:

"George Pataki's only essential characteristic is that he offers an alternative," said Mr. Giuliani. "Strangely, however, after lengthy analysis and a lot of soul-searching, I've come to the conclusion that it is George Pataki who best personifies the status quo of New York politics -- a candidate taking as few positions as possible, all of them as general as possible, taking no risks and being guided and scripted by others. He has simply not made the case that he is the agent of change."

According to Rudy, even after 12 years in office Cuomo was a leader who offered the best opportunity for change. Of Mr. Cuomo, he said, "has learned a great deal from this election and that new insight will give him the strength and determination to establish his place in history."
Then there is his appearance as “Rudia”, a transvestite nightclub singer.

Here is the scene as described in the NY Times, Jaws Drop As Giuliani Steals Show In Heels by DAVID FIRESTONE, Published: March 3, 1997

“…the Mayor even sang a falsetto version of ''Happy Birthday, Mr. President'' -- a la Marilyn Monroe -- and waved daintily at the crowd of thunderstruck spectators…..

…. The audience of journalists, public officials and lobbyists greeted Rudia with a huge outburst of applause and hoots of sustained laughter, but when it became clear that the Mayor was actually going to deliver a sustained performance in the outfit, members of the crowd seemed torn between being amused and being appalled.

When he pulled a huge cigar out of his sock, and later began dancing an intimate tango with the star of ''Victor/Victoria,'' Julie Andrews (dressed as a man), several well-known audience members could be seen with their foreheads in their hands, open-mouthed.

The wonder only increased when Roxane Barlow of the show's cast sang a gyrating hymn to the sexual attributes of several recent mayors while watching Mr. Giuliani disrobe behind a screen.

There was the slightest bit of a political subtext to it all. Just as Ms. Andrews portrays a woman pretending to be a man dressing as a woman, Mr. Giuliani remarked that he is ''a Republican pretending to be a Democrat pretending to be a Republican,'' a reference to his real-life preference for ideological wardrobe changes."

And his truncated run for the Senate against Ole Hill herself. While finding out he had cancer was a legitimate reason for dropping out of the race and no one can fault him for doing so, his approach to the campaign and it’s aftermath can’t be ignored.

In the run up to the race Rudy seemed to be unsure of whether he wanted to run in the first place. He fund raised and made sporadic campaign appearances and sparred occasionally with the Clinton machine. In the midst of it all he carried on a very public affair coupled with a nasty divorce fight all the while neglecting the campaign trail. After ignoring upstate NY until well into the spring, (an area that should have been troublesome for the carpet bagger from Arkansas), and making a half hearted 30 minute appearance in Binghamton he went back to NY. A week after returning he canceled all his scheduled campaign events there because he wanted to attend a Yankee game. Needless to say, The Clinton campaign proceeded to play this insult to conservative up state New Yorkers up to great effect.

It can be said that his devil may care attitude about running is responsible for Senator Clinton. By campaigning and fundraising in the run up to the election he sucked the life out of his successor, Rick Lazio. Rudy’s campaign raised millions as I recall and was not required by election law to return the money when he dropped out of the race. While Lazio made some serious gaffs, it could be argued that had he been able to campaign from the start and been able to rely on the funds Rudy drained from the donor pool he may have been able to pull the race out and strangle the Clinton 08 baby in its crib

Now we come to the criticisms from the Club for Growth. Below are some excerpts from their Presidential White Paper largely as they are written. This article is a criticism so obviously I have picked out the troublesome excerpts for my post. I have added comments in parentheses.

Tax Cuts

(Rudy supported many tax cuts but his record includes the following)

• “Giuliani's opposition to Republican candidate George Pataki's proposed cut in the state income tax in 1994[13]
• Giuliani's opposition to the City Council's proposal to eliminate the commercial rent tax in 1999, in favor of spending the tax revenue on building baseball stadiums[14]
• Giuliani's $600 million extension of the 12.5% personal income tax surcharge for the fiscal years 1997 and 1998[15] and his opposition to the City Council's push to eliminate the surcharge in 1998[16]
• Giuliani's opposition to the flat tax as advocated by presidential candidate Steve Forbes in 1996[17]. Though he currently supports tax simplification, Giuliani has refused to endorse the flat tax as recently as March of 2007[18]

Giuliani's list of accomplishments is tinged by his occasional anti-growth positions. The context of these positions, however, helps to cast a redeeming light. Giuliani's opposition to Pataki's income tax proposal in 1994 was part of a larger political struggle between warring GOP camps. In 1998, Giuliani proposed a series of other tax cuts,[19] and eventually acquiesced to cutting the personal income tax surcharge.[20]

On balance, Giuliani's record of tax cuts outweighs what few indiscretions he has. It is important to remember that Gotham's economic revival was due, in large part, to Giuliani's determination to stimulate a stagnant economy by cutting taxes even in the face of fierce opposition. While Giuliani's record on taxes is not perfect, he deserves a lot of credit for tackling a municipal culture long addicted to taxing and spending itself into the ground.

Spending

Giuliani is often criticized for large spending increases during the surplus years, but it is instructive to compare his spending record with that of his predecessors and successor.

1994 21,723,132,203
1995 1995 21,382,377,315 -1.57%
1996 1996 22,038,088,100 3.07%
1997 1997 23,584,022,689 7.01%
1998 1998 24,509,691,220 3.92%
1999 1999 25,206,833,492 2.84%
2000 2000 26,640,719,162 5.69%
2001 2001 28,193,677,137 5.83%
2002 2002 27,037,645,408 -4.10% 2.84%

As the above chart demonstrates, Giuliani deserves some criticism for relaxing his initial fiscal discipline and spending more freely once surpluses began to flow into the city's coffers. Giuliani also demonstrated an alarming propensity for doling out corporate welfare to select companies, including News America Publishing; Viacom; Credit Suisse First Boston Corp.;[28] and his favorite pet project of all-sports stadiums[29].

Finally, Giuliani's narrow concern for New York City found him on the wrong side of the debate over the federal line-item veto. When President Clinton used his line-item veto to eliminate a line in the budget forgiving New York State's Medicaid debt, Giuliani filed a lawsuit that resulted in the veto's unconstitutionality[30]. If he were to become president, we hope Mayor Giuliani would support, at a minimum, enhanced rescission-a milder version of the line-item veto believed to pass constitutional muster.

In all, Giuliani's spending record demonstrates some years of remarkable fiscal discipline and an extraordinarily low spending average that puts his predecessors and successor to shame. Despite his occasional profligacy, Giuliani's ability to drastically cut spending in an adversarial climate speaks volumes about his ability to tackle Washington's spending binges were he to win the presidency. (I would argue that it is dangerous to make an assumption that a candidate is a fiscal conservative because his spending increases and anti growth policies are at least better than his predecessors. This is an example of the thinking that has allowed the creeping socialism to so infect this country).

Entitlement Reform

Unfortunately, Mayor Giuliani's strong record at the local level did not translate into free-market positions on the federal level. In 1996, Rudy Giuliani actively opposed federal welfare reform legislation, even suing the federal government over the matter.[42] Again, Mayor Giuliani claimed to be motivated by local concerns, opposing features in the legislation that would "shift costs to local governments" and cut off assistance to legal immigrants.[43]

His position on Medicare is more concerning. In 2000, Giuliani expressed a willingness to support President Clinton's proposal to provide "free" prescription drugs under Medicare[45], and in 2006, praised the 2003 Medicare Prescription Drug Plan.[46]
Regulation

…The most egregious of these, (Failings) is Giuliani's active opposition to Governor Pataki's 1997 effort to phase out rent control, despite its proven distortion on the marketplace.[66] Giuliani also supported the extension of rent control in 1994[67] and 2000.[68] This opposition was apparently motivated by the overwhelming support for rent control among the Mayor's constituents. As Giuliani himself admitted, "It's better to keep your constituents happy than to keep a political party happy."[69]

Giuliani also initiated new regulatory requirements for furniture and appliance stores,[70] and called for new and more stringent price controls on wholesale electric power rates in New York State to combat a surge in the price of electricity.[71] Finally, in 2000, the same man who courageously vetoed a living wage bill declared his support for increasing the minimum wage.[72]

Political Free Speech

Rudy Giuliani's record on protecting political free speech falls woefully short. When John McCain launched his campaign finance crusade on the political stage, Mayor Giuliani was an unabashed supporter, telling CNN's Wolf Blitzer in a 2000 interview: "I'm a very, very strong supporter of campaign finance reform. A very strong supporter of McCain-Feingold for a long, long time now."[79]

As recently as December 2006, Giuliani refused to back away from his previous effusiveness. When radio host Dennis Prager pressed him, asking "Why shouldn't people just be allowed to give any amount of money they want to any candidate, and just have it publicly known? Why should there be a law limiting that freedom?" the notoriously blunt Mayor hesitated, but ultimately embraced his previous support: "I think there are very good arguments on either side of that. I've always lived under a campaign finance law that had limitations on it, so I'm sort of pretty comfortable with it."[80]

Locally, Giuliani was embroiled in a number of campaign finance debates, but none of these demonstrated a general inclination to protect political speech.[81] Worse, dubbed by John McCain as his "soul mate" on campaign finance reform,[82] Mayor Giuliani offers no compelling reason to think that he would oppose further restrictions on the First Amendment.

Tort Reform

At the same time, Rudy Giuliani was not averse to using the courts when it suited his political aims. In 2000, Giuliani filed a lawsuit against two dozen major gun manufacturers and distributors.[86] Whatever one's thoughts on gun control, Giuliani's use of the courts to punish a legally functioning industry is an abuse of the legal system, (This speaks volumes to me of his contempt for gun owners and the 2nd Amendment)..

Giuliani's support for limited tort reform is laudatory, but his 2000 suit against two dozen major gun manufacturers and the absence of information to flesh out his broader philosophy on tort reform is cause for concern. It would behoove Mayor Giuliani to demonstrate that his impressive municipal tort reform packages would apply equally to the private sector.

(What is The Club for Growth’s conclusion?) The most important question is what Giuliani's mayoral tenure tells us about how he would govern if elected president. The answer is not clear cut, as some of his local positions are worrisome and some of his federal positions are still unknown.

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Huckabee has no foreign policy experience, much less experience in defense affairs.

Neither has Rudy or any of the others running in the top tier except maybe McCain.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

The fact that NYC was attacked on 9/11 hardly qualifies as foreign policy or participation in the GWOT. He absolutely has experience in leading the recovery from the attacks, but that doesn't really count as being "a war leader".

(Sorry if I'm being presumptuous here - I'm assuming you're referring to Giuliani, since he was the target of this blog)


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(Sorry if I'm being presumptuous here - I'm assuming you're referring to Giuliani, since he was the target of this blog)

yup....Giuliani

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

Giuliani was rabid in taking down white collar crime, the Mafia and lower level crime as a federal prosecutor and then mayor of NYC. He was present for two terrorist acts. There is every reason to think he will have that same "pitbull mentality" against the fanatics trying to bring our country down.

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every reason to believe maybe...but can we be sure. Besides, the point I'm making here is that he is no more experienced than any other Republican currently running on defense issues and the WOT and his positions on nearly every other conservative issue makes him unacceptable to huge segments of the Republican Party.

He's still ahead now because he's been able to keep a lid on it but if the larger party begins to understand this the lid will blow off big time. if they don't figure it out you can bet Begalla and Carvil will play off Republican discontent with their nominee to devastating effect.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

You are GREATLY underestimating the social conservative's desire to keep Hillary out of the White House. Social conservatives may be vowing to never, ever, ever vote for Giuliani in the general now. Wait until it hits them that John Paul Stephens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg will be retiring, and it will be a chance to finally swing the court our way.

You may say, well how do we know Giuliani will? We don't. What we know for sure is Hillary want.

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He's said that he won't. Throws us a bone, (it's not even a bone....it's rawhide) by saying he'll appoint strict constructionist judges thinking we'll all go back to sleep and has said on the other hand that he would nominate a justice who believes in Stare decisis...(don't ask if know how to spell that because I don't), which means a judge who would enshrine Roe V Wade as settled law for a generation.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

While you have made a thoughtful effort to paraphrase the CFG's report highlighting Rudy's shortcomings, I don't see how this is a recommendation for Huckabee since his instincts are even worse, according to the CFG and other things I've read here at RedState.

Both Rudy and Huck seem to have the highest negatives among the Republican candidates.

And as far as the social issues, while Huck's clearly has consistent pro-life convictions, the irony is that his promotion of HLA and FMA will likely decrease the ability to get solid judges on the Supreme Court, whereas Rudy has a better chance of making the sale. This is not an endorsement of Rudy, per se, since there still is a question of whom he would nominate - however, it is a recognition that sometimes it's better to slip in the side door rather than barging through the front door.

My biggest objection to Huckabee is that although good intentions are noble, they are not enough, and when you coerce compassion via the government, as seems to be Huck's instincts, you're headed down that proverbial road to a rather hot destination.

As for the others, I remain in a stew. My first choice, Duncan Hunter is not gaining traction fast enough, Fred hasn't run a reasonable campaign yet, Rudy's divisive, Mitt I have a gut-level reaction against, and McCain is high risk: he may blow the Democrats out of the water, or blow up the Republican party to smithereens. I keep hoping for something that will change the picture.

And Rightly So!

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Or is that the boondocks.

So far all we have on the positive Mike side is that he is a PRO LIFE Baptist Minister. Joy, Oh yes they like him in Arkansas. Oh he is charming too. Oh he has a knack for cold reading and telling people what they want to hear. Has an odd habit of making strange exercises of clemency powers. Lost a lot of weight at one point. Did I mention from Arkansas ?

I can't think who else in recent memory has had similar and equally vacuous qualifications. Except for the Baptist minister part.

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My point is this. Every argument against Huckabee i.e. he's a big government Republican can be said of his opponents with the possible exception of Thompson. My problems with Thompson is his vote against political speech with McCain Fiengold.

A far as no evidence is concerned...the evidence on Rudy, its in the entire last half of my blog.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

Seeing as its Huckabee perhaps a Sunday School reply is in order.

"But what do you think about this? A man with two sons told the older boy, 'Son, go out and work in the vineyard today.' The son answered, 'No, I won't go,' but later he changed his mind and went anyway. Then the father told the other son, 'You go,' and he said, 'Yes, sir, I will.' But he didn't go. Which of the two was obeying his father?" They replied, "The first, of course." Then Jesus explained his meaning: "I assure you, corrupt tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the Kingdom of God before you do. For John the Baptist came and showed you the way to life, and you didn't believe him, while tax collectors and prostitutes did. And even when you saw this happening, you refused to turn from your sins and believe him

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Maybe I'm dense but I don't get the connection, are you trying to apply this parable to Guiliani or Huckabee and how does it apply?

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Actually, my point is that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Or since you are fond of Bible Verses, "Why do you try to take the splinter from your brother's eye when you have a beam in your own eye. Verily I say to you, go and take the beam out of your own eye so that you can see clearly to take the sliver out of your brother's eye.

My broader point is that those at Red State who oppose Huckabee do so supposedly because he's a tax & spend, big government nanny state Republican and point to any instance where Huck has strayed from FisCon orthodoxy but they refuse to turn the same gaze on their own candidate.

Giuliani was a McGovernite Democrat who changed his registration in the 80s to Independent and later became a Republican to work in the Reagan administration. His record on fiscal issues is far from perfect as my article shows. His sanctuary policy brings his commitment to controlling immigration into question.I've said here over ad over that I am uncomfortable about Huckbee's prior stance on fiscal issues but at least he has taken the no new taxes pledge and signed it when Rudy wll not.

As for Romney, he is proud of his nanny state health care plan as I've stated here and will expand upon in future post. He raised taxes as well.

As of right now, Thompson is a on starter. I will give him hard look if he can shake things in te next 24 days. Ony time will tell with him.

That leaves me with Huck. Given the other candidates records, I say why not Huck?

I'm beginning to believe the "I won't vote for Huckabee because he's a fiscal liberal" is simply cover for the real issue which is "I won't vote for a SoCon under any circumstances"

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

"Man as a rule does not allude to his low estate, except when he comes out of it and gets into an improved position"
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I faced some legitimate criticisms last week for my post in support of Mike Huckabee and went back to check his record. Having done so I admit some reservations. Not enough however to change my mind about my support of him. My reason for drawing this conclusion is that I scrutinized the other contenders and come away with the knowledge that those other contenders have records that are just as questionable and in some cases more so the Huckabee.

I made a conscientious attempt to express my reservations with Rudy and will do so with Romney and Thompson soon. Instead of throwing insults my way disguised as playful jabs at me you could at least try to tell me where I'm wrong or if I've missed something.

I would also like to add that I had close to 100 negative replys attacking Huckabee as a fiscally liberal heretic and can't help that your FisCon friends have ducked this post now that H can show Rudy throwing stones.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

The labor of the righteous leads to life. The increase of the wicked leads to sin. He is in the way of life who heeds correction, But he who forsakes reproof leads others astray. He who hides hatred has lying lips. He who utters a slander is a fool. In the multitude of words there is no lack of disobedience, But he who restrains his lips does wisely. The tongue of the righteous is like choice silver. The heart of the wicked is of little worth. The lips of the righteous feed many, But the foolish die for lack of understanding.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I don't get your point at all and I don't see what this verse has to do with Giuliani and his liberal fiscal policies.

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

I am using the CFG to show Guiliani's shortcomings to highlight the fact that the Rudy supporters who are using it to attack Huckabee have problems with their candidate as well.

I intend to go down the list with Romney and McCain as well. I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can attack Huckabee as a Fiscal Socialist when the candidates they support are just as bad or worse. Guiliani has real problems on Fiscal Issues as ilustrated by my article. Those that support Romney are voting for a governor who proudly proclaims the passage with his enthusiastic support of a statist health care plan where the government tells it's citizens that they have to spend their hard earned dollars to purchase health insurance. McCain opposed Bush's tax cuts, was the main force behind the McCain Fiengold anti speech/incumbent protection law, undercut the Republican Senate leadership on the nuclear option and generaly made himself a pain in the rear pandering to the so called objective media for the past 12 years and Thompson is a dead man walking.

I ask you...with all that...Why not Huckabee?

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

There's the fear that Huckabee at heart represents Jimmy Carter, Act 2 (as opposed to an Everett Koop). Again, I worry about that proverbial road. Where's the evidence that Huckabee could stand up to Congressional Democrats, whose numbers will likely increase in the next Congress, and effect a conservative program. His records is dubious. (A good question to look at regarding Mitt, I would say.)

And Rightly So!

The point of my post it that the main knock against Huckabee is that he may be a big government conservative so we need to support Rudy/Romney/Thompson when they all have big government proclivities. I intend to prove that in a series of postings using the CFG's white papers since Huckabee detractors on Red state have apparently made CFG's white papers critsizing Huck their gold standard

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

"Those that support Romney are voting for a governor who proudly proclaims the passage with his enthusiastic support of a statist health care plan where the government tells it's citizens that they have to spend their hard earned dollars to purchase health insurance."
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Ah...as opposed to our hard earned dollars going to increased taxes for some teenager with no better since than to have 3 babies fore she is 20? As opposed to our hard earned tax dollars going to pay for people who go but never pay their Dr. bills and refuse to get ins. so they can drive a better car? MA plan works! The ins cost was cut in half for PRIVATE INS. Those that cant afford it are still given gov assist but those making money to drive new cars and sub-div houses are required to sacrifice a little for their health....oh no!
Either way the current health care system is headed for collapse. Unless you want gov takeover hill care you better take a better look at the only other option....which I happen to find genius- as a nurse and the mother of a handicapped child.

"Those that support Romney are voting for a governor who proudly proclaims the passage with his enthusiastic support of a statist health care plan where the government tells it's citizens that they have to spend their hard earned dollars to purchase health insurance."
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Ah...as opposed to our hard earned dollars going to increased taxes for some teenager with no better since than to have 3 babies fore she is 20? As opposed to our hard earned tax dollars going to pay for people who go but never pay their Dr. bills and refuse to get ins. so they can drive a better car? MA plan works! The ins cost was cut in half for PRIVATE INS. Those that cant afford it are still given gov assist but those making money to drive new cars and sub-div houses are required to sacrifice a little for their health....oh no!
Either way the current health care system is headed for collapse. Unless you want gov takeover hill care you better take a better look at the only other option....which I happen to find genius- as a nurse and the mother of a handicapped child.

#1 whether Mitts statist health care plan is better than Hillary's is beside the point. The point is that the Governme has no business telling individuals how to spend their own money.

#2 Mitt Supporters can't on the one hand claim that their opposition to Huckabee is based on a principled objection to big government conservativism while at the same time supporting a candidate who proudly proclaims his passage of a state imposed health care plan which requires citizens to forgo buying food, or clothing, or paying for shelter and use their money to purchase health insurance.

#3 Guiliani's big government tendencies and his antipathy for SoCon issues is the subject of my article. I will deal with Romney's Socialistic policies in a later article.

As for the rest of your rant...you prove my point, Mass is a socialist system that restricts our freedoms.

Whether Mitt's plan works and the government buys health insurance for those who can't afford it is irrelevant and once again proves my point.It is not government's place to be my nanny. As Abraham Lincoln once said "a government that is powerful enough to give you everything is powerful enough to take away everything

To compromise with evil is to corrupt good!

Go Mike Go!!!

 
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