WALL-E: Marxist Philosophy and Environmental Theology Writ Large "For The Children!"

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So today was Daddy Day with my boys and I decided we were going to have a wonderful time at the movies with the most important people in my life aside from my wife and my Lord. I thought watching a movie the boys have begged me for months to go see would be an absolute joy. This is only the second movie we've ever gone to at the theater, so I've usually had the benefit of having heard from those who have seen the movies before I go, or rent them and can steer away from the more objectionable ones. “But hey”, I thought, This is a G-rated Movie, created by Pixar and distributed by Disney. I know to be careful with Disney movies because I've seen propaganda passed off as entertainment by them before, but this is a Pixar movie. After all, they made Toy Story, Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo, Cars, The Incredibles, and so many good clean family movies and I've only found them to slip a left wing dig in on a few occasions so I'm thinking...”Hey...Why worry about it. The Boys want to see it so bad they can taste it. I'll be their hero for the day. It's Pixar and they've got great graphics which I really enjoy because I'm a techno geek at heart and the graphics from the trailers looked incredible beyond belief. So...Why worry.”

So wanting nothing but the best for my pride and joy totally oblivious to what we would experience, off we go to the local Santicos 16 in San Antonio.

We stop at Jack in the box and have a burger and lemonade for each of them and we proceed to the theater from there. Of course the excitement builds as we approach the theater and I am having the time of my life, (both good and bad) as I try to herd my 7, 5, and 3 year olds through to the bathroom to get rid of the small sodas, (which were called a mediums back in the day), as everyone watches with amusement as I accomplish the equivalent of pushing a chain by getting three hyper excited boys, hopped up on sugar to go potty, wash their hands, and simultaneously control the 7 and 5 year olds who are running in all directions while at the same time washing and drying the three year old's hands.

I get them to the theater and we sit down and watch the trailers and advertisements they have before movies now days and we settle in as Dad pokes them a time or two to entice a giggle from them and I'm surprised when my 5 year old who is Mr. Macho Independent snuggles in under my right arm and the three year old snuggles on my left with the seven year old by himself on the other side of him.

Well...the movie starts. The virtual camera, (the most awesome computer graphics I've ever seen), zooms in to reveal what looks to be those flat top mesas in New Mexico. You know...the ones…they look like rock fingers pointing into the sky? Well, as the camera continues to zoom in it looks like there are Sky Scrapers in between those rock fingered Mesas. But the Mesas dwarf the Sky Scrapers. The camera zooms further and passes a Skyscraper which fills the shot...and runs into one of those rocky fingers...but it's not rock at all...it's compacted trash. Little cubes, stacked one on top the other to form gigantic trash mesas, going out into the distance as far as the eye can see. Up to the top we go and meet WALL-E (which is an acronym I can't remember), who dumps a cube of trash he’s compacted and deposit’s it at the top of this huge pile.

Ok, I'm thinking...this is environmental tripe of the first order but hey...I just forked out 25 bucks to have a good time with the boys so I'll just stick it out because I don't want to cause a seen by dragging three boys kicking and screaming from the theater who will never understand why I dragged them out in the first place.

Anyway...Back to our little robot buddy who is cute as a button, (again the graphics in this movie are not to be believed). So...down the trash pile he goes and onto a street lined on both sides by trash piled up like snow shoved to both sides by a snow plow. WALL-E continues making cubes stopping periodically to pick up and save a bauble from human history probably made in China to save in a Lunch Box. Suddenly the day is over and WALL-E heads back to his home stopping along the way to grab some tracks from broken down WALL-E Robots to replace his worn ones as he races on.

Along the way he passes buildings with advertisements on them and of course the obligatory big box store, (Wal-Mart, for those of you in Oklahoma...LOL) and the thing you notice is all the adds are for one Company BNL, There are BNL Soda adds and BNL cloths and BNL Cars and BNL Bank Adds, and BNL Vacation ads etc everywhere you look

So immediately I'm thinking...OK...now we go from Environmentalism to Anti Corporate Propaganda and such but again 25 bucks and the picture of screaming kids keep me firmly planted in my seat...but like a good Dad...I let Pixar have their way with them…and now I’m ashamed beyond measure… I should have dealt with the screaming kids but I didn’t.

OK...Away from the visuals. The gist of the story is WALL-E is apparently the only sentient being on all the earth...The first quarter of the movie was oppressively lonely and depressing as you follow this Robot and his pet Cockroach from one desolate trash pile to the next. He's visited by a rocket that drops off another robot, (a probe called EVE-A; pronounced Eva) who is supposed to probe for plant life which of course doesn't exist...(at least until WALL-E torches his way into a refrigerator and finds a single sickly looking plant living inside it. Don't even ask me how this plant ever germinated or grew inside a fridge where it could get neither sun light nor water but…oh well ).

Anyway...WALL-E gives the plant to EVE-A, who gets launched into space Wall-E hanging the Rocket out beyond the Milky Way to a larger ship which was built by BNL where people have their every need catered to by BNL, who are transported around on floating chairs. BNL Robots Brush their teeth with BNL toothbrushes and on and on. Through the course of the movie we find out that BNL is a Corporate World Government called "Buy Large" who polluted the entire planet 700 years ago to the point where it had to be evacuated in the year 2010! The people are fat and can't walk because from the day they're born BNL provides for their every need by selling them on every product BNL makes, A good parallel could be made here with the Democrats but hey...this is a Hollywood script so it has to be a Corporation which is responsible right?

Of course we were treated to Nazi Storm Troopers in the form of robots making an authoritarian dig at police as is so common in Hollywood today...ohh…I forgot to add finding the plant would allow them return to earth.. ahh where was I? Oh…These storm trooper cops lead by an incompetent commander cop don't want to let the humans return to earth so WAll-E and EVE-A have to fight to save the plant throughout the movie and return it to the command center of the ship so the fat, lazy infoteched out humans can return to earth and set up a socialist utopia and so on and so on and so on!!!.

Something else I picked up on…BNL gives them all their food in smoothie cups….now…keep in mind…There are no plants on this ship… nor are there any animals…so ya gotta ask yourself…What is BNL using for food?…Right?...I was beginning to wonder when we would be presented with a Soilent Green scenario where we find out the food supply is made up of humans…they kind of bumped up to it but Disney/Pixar must have remembered at the last minute it would be kids watching this trash so they were at least able to restrain themselves on that point anyway.

In short, the only good thing I can say about this movie were the graphics, the cute characters and I only have to deprogram my 5 and 7 year olds because my three year old fell asleep with his head on my lap 30 minutes into the movie.

Aside form that, we'd have all been better served if WALL-E had compacted the script for this movie with the rest of his garbage and deposited it on one of his trash mesas!

Bottom Line?...unless you want to pay good money to have your kids propagandized into a Marxist, Eco-Theological world view...stay far, far away from this one...rent it and educate yourself later about how Hollywood brainwashes your kids….Oh…and get it in blue ray wide screen so you can marvel at the technology used in making it…but Goebbels would be proud to know his tactics have reached all the way to California...so keep your kids away!

propaganda ? Were the alien toys representing an oppressed minority ??

Monsters inc ?? I must have missed that as well.

From the sound of this it's over the line. Not surprising considering the talent pool hollywood draws on though. The days of Davie and Goliath are long gone.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I liked Toy Story and Monsters inc...They were why I thought it would be ok to take the kids to this...

Read the whole post...I haven't seen a movie so full of left wing propaganda since Superman saved us form all our nuclear weapons in Superman IV...at least I think it was IV.

If you don't believe me...go see the movie...just don't take the kids!


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As I said though the way you describe this it definitely sounds over the line.

You might try writing disney (I wouldn't refer to Redstate as a lib will just dig in their heals against the wingnuts) but just point out your concerns as a parent. That you had to spend considerable time explaining that no the planet isn't going to be a giant garbage heap.

I had a cousin way back when who complained to them about the novelties that they sold at Disney World. They had a shocking cigarette lighter that sent one heck of a jolt through you. (Personally I thought it was hillarious) Sure enough she puts that concerned voice in a letter and a whole bunch of novelties disappear.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Over the top doesn't begin to discribe this...I'm actually sick to the pit of my stomach...The whole thing was so gloomy...even if it wasn't propaganda it's not for kids cause it's so dark and dismal!

I loved the graphics. I've never seen anything like it...it's stunning...but everything else is worse than the trash in the movie!

BTW...If you had an army of robots who stacked compacted garbabge thousands of feet into the air for 700 years...to you think you might find a clean street somewhere along the way?


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Anti-capitalist narratives in the scripts notwithstanding, pity all parents of America's small children who cannot escape the persuasive power of the fast-food merchandising tie-ins and the absolutely impossible-to-resist saturation marketing.

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Then again the last movie I went to the theater to see was 300.

Its hard to find good movies these days. I usually find myself disappointed with the effort to go out to the movies. I certainly try not to go until someone I know has seen the flick and said good things about it.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I had a profoundly different reaction to Wall-E.

For another Christian perspective on the movie, check out ...

http://www.catholicexchange.com/2008/06/27/112985/

BTW...Short Circuit was pretty anti military as I recall


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Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.--Ronald Wilson Reagan

...which can be seen a little bit in Toy Story 2's anti-corporatist and xenophobic plotline, but more so in the populist "little guy" undertones of Cars (also, in typical progressive fashion, is as stereotypical of said "little guys", or cars, as possible).

That aside, I enjoy the Pixar films Brad Bird does, Ratatouille and The Incredibles. Almost surprised that Steve Jobs allowed Bird to make films like that, as he sneaks quite a bit of Ayn Rand's philosophy into both...

"Once within the maw of Leviathan, degree of digestion is irrelevant." - Michael Fisk


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

"Once within the maw of Leviathan, degree of digestion is irrelevant." - Michael Fisk

not because of undertones in the narratives but mostly because there's a limit to how much impossible premise I'm willing to accept in a fantasy. Nonliving objects anthropomorphized to fill the length of a feature film is a bit much for me. Just saying...

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Talking about "Toy Story" and "Cars" made me momentarily forget that Wall-E isn't far-fetched in my mind at all if the main premise is artificial intelligence as a vehicle for an underdog story. Maybe I'll even catch it at the (newly renamed) $2 movie theater when it's second-run.

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I loved the Incredibles...I loved the James Bond/ Superfriends mix.

I'm telling you...this movie doean't make sense plot wise...it's like they sat down and asked themselves how many leftist talking points can we throw into this we don't have to tie the ideas together...let's just throw them out there in random order and let the little kiddies eat them up!


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I totally disagree. I thought it was a great movie. You are cursing the entire sci fi genre of dystopian futures. Would you so easily throw away bladerunner?

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I wouldn't get upset about it unless the movie was actively calling for the government to solve the pollution problem.

And in some respects I do agree that we have an overly consumption driven mentality. Our society likes stuff that it can throw away (plates, cups, wrappers, spouses) instead of cleaning.

If because of this movie people become more interested in wasting less and recycling more, I'm all for it.



McCain for POTUS so the left can't ruin SCOTUS.

It want from one liberal point to another...it never stopped. I liked the interaction between many of the characters...and I can't explain how awesome the graphics were...but the rest of it was drivel.

This wasn't Sci Fi in my book...Planet destroyed my Corporation, Corporation evacuates planet, corporation controls man's entire life from Cradle to grave and on and on and on!


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Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.--Ronald Wilson Reagan

WALL-E really isn't a kids movie. Has the marketing been targeting the younger set? That's unfortunate, if it has, though, I suppose, not surprising.
I saw this Saturday afternoon with my wife (theater had lots of 5-yr olds and younger), so adults expected this for kids. I understand that an animated movie about a robot would seem geared toward children, but that's what pre-screening and reviews are for (and not necessarily from the MSM).

WALL-E is very much a sci-fi movie, from the robots, to space, to the social commentary. Now, most sci-fi movies are liberal, or lean left due to the social commentary. Before WALL-E, I would have said there is no such thing as a Conservative sci-fi movie. But, I'm not so sure WALL-E doesn't come close to right-of-center, IMHO. See my take on the movies themes below.
(if global warming had caused humans to evacuate the earth, this would have been very much a liberal movie).

WALL-E isn't as good as The Incredibles, because it isn't nearly funny enough. It has serous themes, and some rather serious moments.

Themes I found in the movie:
***possible spoilers***
Watching, I didn't pick up the anti-capitalist, anti-corporation theme as much as anti-consumerism. I'd even argue, the "cruise" ship carrying the humans is akin to a socialist government. And, considering how the humans exist on the ship, that's not an endorsement.
Sure, environmentalism is also a theme, but I saw it more about pollution (and, as far as the unspoken liberal meme about decreasing the population to save the planet, this movie suggest that won't help either).
There's also the theme about the dangers of letting technology run our lives (and completely removing human interaction to the point where we only know a face on a screen). Where did the food come from? Where did the babies come from?
Another theme in the movie: are robots capable of self-determination? Can they learn, adapt and become more than their programming. Can they love?
***end spoilers***

And what is odd is that so few SF movies are made that are conservative, given that so many SF fans are.

Ah, I see you missed the import of the 200+ MPH winds ripping through the piles of junk that periodically drive WALL-E into the safety of his home, or EVE-A's complete ignorance of their danger. It wasn't just about pollution, it was the whole kit and kaboodle. It's just easier to draw the garbage than it is to illustrate the rest of it.

Maybe the problem with the disagreements is that the plot/background read like the contradictory programming in the Robocop sequel where he has to short out the computer just so he can take an action. Nobody paid any attention to the inherent inconsistencies in the assumptions for the back story. Once upon a time this was a critical element to SF stories, and the reason I tended to read them over Fantasy. But even there it seems to have become a lost art.

some time ago where a Pixar project manager gave his view of why people of all ages enjoy Pixar films. He said they make movies for adults, not children. The philosophy is to eliminate realistic (but not cartoonish) violence and adult language to make it family friendly, but children still enjoy the adult films too because children aren't stupid. Granted they're talking about older children (tweens-ish).

If you watch some of their movies, there aren't any shortage of adult references, particularly sexual ones. Sexual references are one component of adult movies Pixar doesn't cut out- they just mask them in ways (songs, innuendo) that kids won't pick them out. Shrek 2 is a prime example. Remember the scene where Godmother brings the furniture to life and they have the song & dance routine? There's one line that goes "they'll write your name on the bathroom wall/for a happy ever after give Fiona a call." There's another scene where Shrek says to Donkey "What are you, some kind of a..." and at the moment he trails off, Puss lands in front of them (pussy).
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I didn't pick up the anti-capitalist, anti-corporation theme as much as anti-consumerism. I'd even argue, the "cruise" ship carrying the humans is akin to a socialist government. And, considering how the humans exist on the ship, that's not an endorsement.

I made the point that parallels could be made to Nanny State Government in the OP and elsewhere on this thread except that the "Nanny State" wasn't a government it was a Corporate Monopoly. I would even argue this isn't a socialist dig at corporations it's more in the realm of Communism. had they made the ships actions about government I would agree it had a right of center message but this is Hollywood and we have to be politically correct don't ya know? They couldn't make the government the enemy...the government is our friend...It's like Hollywood taking the Islamic terrorists out of it's adaptation of Tom Clancy's "Sum of All Fears" and replacing them with white supremacists and Nazi Holdovers!

There's also the theme about the dangers of letting technology run our lives (and completely removing human interaction to the point where we only know a face on a screen).

I whole heartedly agree here...It's more the anti corporate message and the idea that we could possibly destroy the planet to the point displayed in the movie. While it's not an ADW message...The winds raise a question in my mind as well as pointed out somewhere in this thread but they're never explained so I can over look that...I though the anti consumerism had some good points when separated by the blatant anti corporate message...I guess my thing is the Eco-Theology and the Anti Corporate Message so overwhelmed everything else in my mind.

As Sci-Fi I think it fails as well since most Sci-Fi is pretty intellectual. If you are going to enjoy this movie...you can't think about anything you have to just let it take you along because there are so many holes some of you that you point out and others that were too obvios...

The two big ones are the fact that there had been and army of Wall E's that had supposedly been cleaning everything for some period in the hundreds of years and WALL-E had been going for 700 years...The big question is...why hadn't they made a clean spot somewhere in all that time.

The other glaring hole is the 700 year period in this movie should have allowed most of that garbage to rust and or rot away unless the climate was completely dry...but even in a perfectly dry climate there would be wind erosion some kind of breakdown. and this also feeds into he implication that AGW was a factor in the destruction of the planet since something caused the atmosphere to dry out and the President/Corporate CEO in the movie was wearing a gas mask suggesting the air was un-breathable which it could be argued points to excess CO2. Where does the food come from? How can the people walk off the ship if they've never walked before...1 because they wouldn't have the musculature to support your weight and two...how would they know how if they've never learned how to walk in the first place. As you correctly point out where do the baby's come from if there is no interaction between the humans. Why does WALL-E charge his bateries with solar panals the way he does and where does the sunlight come from since the sun is blocked out by the polution...and on and on it goes.

In my mind it fails as a kid's movie because is so dark and abysmal. and looking at it from an adult perspective because of all the wholes in the way the society functions and the others mentioned above.

Am I nit picking?...maybe...were there only a few holes such as we've mentioned...or only a few anti Capitalist digs and enviro preaching...but those two things overwhelm everything else

The only positives I can think of are first off...the Graphics and special affects. The love story and interaction of some of the characters and some of the gags and funny concepts in the movie.

the rest left too much to be desired IMO


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Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.--Ronald Wilson Reagan

That couldn't be construed as environmentalist agitprop by someone who tried hard enough. Go ahead, just one.

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Maybe I'm overreacting because it involves my kids...and you know as well as anyone that I can be emotional...but this was so over the top propaganda on an environmental front as well as an anti corporate front to be juvenile.

Go check it out...like I said...don't take the kids though


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Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.--Ronald Wilson Reagan

It's fairly common fare for sci-fi, and by definition it involves blighted landscape and quite frequently also involves a human population that barely rises above the level of animals. It's just part of good story telling.

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Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.--Ronald Wilson Reagan

Not only do they NOT place blame for the sorry state of the future, ... dangit, the rest of my sentence is a spoiler.

I just strongly disagree. Right before I saw your blog I was raving about this movie on the phone. I thought it was beautiful.

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and allow yourself to think what's being thrown out there at every turn this movie will drive you nuts if you're a conservative.

Don't think I'm saying you're not capable of thinking through it, because that's not what I mean. I often just shut my mind off and just let the visual take over when watching a movie, but this throws out one liberal cliche after another from the opening shots to the end.


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Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.--Ronald Wilson Reagan

Give that man a Cigar!!!

LOL


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Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.--Ronald Wilson Reagan

I've been a science fiction fan since 8th grade, but dysutopian fantasies aimed at small children aren't science fiction, they're indoctrination.

What's next, a film adaptation "1984" with Barney in the role of Winston? Or maybe a Muppets version of "On the Beach"?
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The theming was patchwork. I saw Rand in it, among other influences.

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Kind of reminds me of the two television attempts to do brave new world. Then again ABC even managed to diminish the horror of the holocaust.

Then again IIRC the TV remake of "On the Beach" managed to just be boring.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I didn't know there was a remake of On The Beach. I just saw the original for the first time a few weeks ago, and it's haunting me like the ghost of Hamlet's father. I think the black-and-white photography had a LOT to do with the whole sense of the movie. A color version would be like vacation snaps at Forrest Lawn.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I saw it yesterday and I liked it. Thought it was cute. I did an entire college class on distopias and this was pretty standard for the fare. The one thing I'll agree with is that I think it is a little dark for the littlest ones, but for older kids I would start the after-conversation by handing them a copy of 1984.

If you put the humans+Wall E+Eve in the role of oppressed minority overthrowing tyranny, then it fits a classically liberal worldview. I think you can just as easily look at it as an allegory warning about the soft facism of the nanny state with a smile.

"If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country."

I think you can just as easily look at it as an allegory warning about the soft facism of the nanny state with a smile.

I pointed that out in the OP...I thought it would fit were the movie geared in that direction...but it wasn't...it was anti corporate and anti business because it was BNL...or Buy Large that was responsible for the detached and sorry state of the humans and at the end it was all about overthrowing the corporate robots so the people could be free...that's the way it read to me!


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Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.--Ronald Wilson Reagan

Its meant to be a kids flick. I one hundred percent get where ACE is coming from. Disney branded products are meant for the little ones not the adults. They are supposed to be within certain parameters.

You don't go to the haunted mansion wanting to see the exorcist.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

They saw a bit of film art. The movie was flat brilliant.

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It still surprises me how many things I remember from the 70's that I didn't fully "get" until adulthood, but there wasn't really any harm done from the exposure in the meantime.

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person for it! But that's another liberal argument...

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

It was your choice to take them to that movie at that age.

If someone takes their children to a Disney branded film that is cute CG animation they are making a different choice. I think Silent Running and Darkstar were both fantastic pieces of science fiction. I wouldn't for one moment take young kids to see them. I also have no beef with the film makers. Now if they were released under the Disney label and I took kids in unsuspecting, expecting maybe cute robots and space exploration, that would be a different matter.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

To my dismay, I took them to Happy Feet. What a pile of environmentalist, anti-capitalist propaganda that was. Wish I'd never taken them.

This was completely different. Fantastic movie. Loved it!

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I think this is a gross mischaracterization. I plan to write my own review tomorrow. Don't miss this one.

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But I'm sure you enjoy them anyway...

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

But netflix has a nice selection of oldies. I am working my through hitchcock again. The problem with movies these days is everything is on the surface very little subtext and even less meaning. I can watch Hitchcock again again same with Frank Capra. "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" never grows old. Every time I screen it there is something more.

Now the stuff that is on is contrived and meant to hit you with a mallet. I caught a law and order the other day. It was laughable, they had this plot about an actress adopting african kids and the only fun of watching it was trying to figure out who had snubbed the producer. Ham handed and predictable.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I don't know man...Maybe it's just the kids setting me off...because this is one of those movies like supermen or amny of them I watched in the eighties that were juvenile scripts with kool graphics and Special Effects...I loved them...I'd watch them and shrug off the propaganda and the silly scripts and really det into those movies...Kind of like the friday the 13th things...just sit down...ignore the sill plot and wait to be startled and see how Jason killed the next dumb ass that was too stupid to leave the camp...

But this one screamed propaganda to me from beginning to end...I guess we'll ahve to agree to disagree on this one...Not that we haven't before...LOL


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Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.--Ronald Wilson Reagan

I've seen it in kids movies and shows, Nickelodeon and Disney both.

I just don't get it from Wall-E. I thought this movie was great for kids.

I'm going to do a review tomorrow. That will better explain what I'm trying to say.

7, 5 and 3, huh? tired much?

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7, 5 and 3, huh? tired much?

Dude...I'm 44 years old with kids that age...tired doesn't begin to describe it!


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Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.--Ronald Wilson Reagan

Thank God for Summertime and swimming pools.

The recurring villain is a jet fighter, and I saw one episode where the Little Einsteins were menaced by the jet fighter, a steam engine and an *elephant*. I try to avoid reading too much into the crude symbolism, since I can't walk through the house without stepping on at least one of those three items, and my kids change the channel when the show comes on.

Great classic from the fifties. The Elephant is the hero.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

In the meantime, I'll let the kids watch "Dumbo" 50 more times. That's my kind of Disney movie.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777


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Blade Runner? You've got to be kidding... To assume that it was a kids flick is unbelievable (or you're a strange parent).

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Is just one big SF dystopian fantasy.
Apocalypse sells.
Dystopias are nearly always apocalypse. From "A Dog and His Boy", to "War of the Worlds" to the tactics used in Star wars- great planet busting apocalypses to the "Alien" series, with the protaganist finally accepting her angel of apocalypse status.
To today's great AGW street theater, it is all apocalypse form Noah forward.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

As many times as I'd already seen it, I was very happy when the restored version was on the big screen for a week.

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

The BBC, the 1950s hollywood film and william hurt version


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Who would name business or a government "Buy Large" anyway?

They had the government leader played by Amy's dad from "Everybody Loves Raymond" standing in front of a set that looked like the Whitehose/Pentagon briefing rooms. The plaque behind him was of a building that looks like a Wal-Mart Superstore instead of the White House and the words "Buy Large" where United States should be!


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If I had kids, I'd probably use the film to illustrate the effects of pessimism, and point out that ultimately we're responsible for the world we inhabit, not corporations nor government, and talk about the consequences of shifting responsibility onto something else (namely, what ends up happening in the movie).

"Once within the maw of Leviathan, degree of digestion is irrelevant." - Michael Fisk

arguably the movie itself said the same thing.

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Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.--Ronald Wilson Reagan

you put [spoiler alert] in the title. Anyone who doesn't want to know what happens in the movie stays away. Then we can discuss the story.

Sorry, I'm a sci fi guy. I don't discuss the plot without a spoiler alert disclaimer.

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Ohh...I that's a protocol I wasn't aware of...thanks for pointing it out

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OK, I have seen the film and I will agree their is an environmental message to the film but I did not find it to be totally preachy. Its basically saying we must practice cleaning up the earth. What is wrong with that?

The film is wonderful; I really enjoyed it.

I didn't see anything to be offended about.

All films out have liberal messages out. Heck, even new "Get Smart" film has many jabs at Bush in it.

The old Vaudelle performers had a "secret" formula; the worst act in the world was sure to get applause if the finish had either kids or the flag. Really bad acts would haul out both.

Today, any comic and/or writer who's smelling the flop sweat just will haul out a "Bush is Stupid" joke.

The good news is that liberals now have something else they can resort to when they're loosing an argument, besides call you a Nazi.
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Tomorrow, hopefully.

A few years ago, I had a moment where I thought I was seeing liberal bias manifested in the crossword printed in the local paper. That seemed like a good time to take a break from the political blogs and etc.

Now, I'm not saying that you've gone around the bend or anything, but you might be overreacting. Sometimes a cigar really is just a cigar.

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then let's talk

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And I was able to see as many conservative warnings as liberal messages. If I had to guess, I would say that what is bothering you is that there are a lot of messages in it, it isn't Toy Story or Cars.

Maybe it was easier for me, because I had already read the NRO review before I went, so I was preped for the enviro message already. That allowed me to see the other anti-liberal facism messages too.

It is a message movie though, I agree there. If you want a movie that is escape from political discussion, look elsewhere.

And the animation is stunning. Worth the $4 I paid just for that.

"If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country."

I would say that what is bothering you is that there are a lot of messages in it, it isn't Toy Story or Cars.

Having stepped back and thought about it a little after the fact...I think what splits by britches is the fact that I paid good money to be spoon fed Propaganda. Had I followed my normal habits and waited till it was on DVD I wouldn't be so hacked about it...I wanted to have a good time with my crew and enjoy the movie but as I sat there an got slapped in the face with liberal cliche after liberal cliche in such rapid succession the boiler just kept getting hotter. so instead of being able to go home and wrestle on the floor or whatever, I had to set them down and explain what was good or bad about the whole thing and what should have been simply a great time with Dad for them suddenly becomes a movie followed by a lecture from Dad.

I didn't see the Conservative messages you mention...but they could well have been there I just got lost in the liberal eco Marxist digs.

Let me ask you this...did you pick up and notice that every item that had at one point been sold was from one Corporation so there is an anti monopoly message in there too...which isn't necessarily bad...but in a kid's movie it's out of place.


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Trying to do this from my iPhone at the airport forgive the typos

To me the message was anti-tyranny. Forget for a second it is a corporation. You have a nanny state that provides all for everyone to the point that everyone is equal and equally miserable (first scene showing humans you see the palpable boredom). But like in Orwell some pigs are more equal than others (eg Auto). In the end humans (literally rise above their oppressors and chose the hard path because it better suits the true nature of humanity. If that isn't conservatism I don't know what is. I should try to expand on this in a blog tomorrow.

"If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country."

Forget for a second it is a corporation.

The fact that it's a corporation is exactly the point though...It's the central fact and theme of the entire movie...Who was ultimately responsible for the pollution? Who was responsible for the hyper consumerism that lead to the pollution? Who was responsible for making humans dependent in the corporation for their every need? the answer is the Corporation...so how do you leave the corporation out of it?

I'll acknowledge that there is a flip side that I hadn't thought of till writing this but it's also a contradictory hole that is never answered...No money was exchanged in the movie so this evil corporation has no profit motive...but it's a corporation so why would they help save humanity if there is no profit involved...Even if it were a government and not a corporation...how would the government fund everything and pay to maintain everything etc...I just don't get it!

As for the environmental angle...I don't see how anyone could argue that it pervades the movie...

Bottom line...the very first premise of the movie and everything that flows from there is that an evil corporation seized control of world government, (this is the new leftist definition for fascism as they say fascism is a merging of government with a monopolistic corporation....(I know that's a joke but since when does historical fact get in the way of liberal ideas?) Said corporation then markets every thing to consumers and causes the hyper consumerism that destroys the earth...The Corporation then enslaves people using technology developed by the corporation...How can you leave them out of it...and ignore the preachy nature of the whole plot line?

You have a nanny state that provides all for everyone to the point that everyone is equal and equally miserable (first scene showing humans you see the palpable boredom). But like in Orwell some pigs are more equal than others (eg Auto). In the end humans (literally rise above their oppressors and chose the hard path because it better suits the true nature of humanity. If that isn't conservatism I don't know what is. I should try to expand on this in a blog tomorrow.

Orwell's 1984 plays a huge roll I agree...but instead of big brother...again we're back to the Corporation as the culprit!


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I still think you're wrong.

There is an environmental message that can be read from the film, but it's largely subsumed in messages that have more to do with self-determination, independence, anti-conformity and anti-corporatism. There is some sniping at George W and at Wal-Mart and, I think, these are far more blatant than the actually quite environmental critique bound up in the movie's setting.

On the whole, I think the movie is vastly more good than bad, especially since the corporate criticism is both ludicrously over the top and hamstrung a bit by the irony in having the toys and videogames plugged at the end of the credits in a movie by one of the largest media and IP branding empries in the world. It's a bit like Coca-Cola producing a film about the evils of fast food and fizzy drinks with their current marketing slogan tacked on at the end of the credits.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

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There is an environmental message that can be read from the film

the corporate criticism is both ludicrously over the top

So I'm right about the anti corporatism and eco-theology or not?

I agree the other messages are in the move but who is the enemy? It's a monopolistic Corporation who has destroyed the earth...all else flows from that central fact!


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reacting. The anti-corporate message has as much (probably more) to do with consumerism than anything else, and the environmental theme is actually not very strong at all, being limited to why humanity is off the planet.

What I mean is, no lesson is ever learned about the horrors of trash, or consumerism or most of the other stuff that forms the setting of the story. Those things are there, but the film isn't really about them. That's why we don't find out how they sustained that level of consumption in space without recycling any of the scrap or waste, or any of the other questions left unanswered at the end of the film.

There's some stuff on this from the director.

The Bush silliness is limited to Fred Willard's appearances as BnL's CEO. There's more in this review, but I wouldn't have noticed the line especially if I hadn't known it was coming. I don't think it adds anything to the film having it in there, but I don't think it particularly detracts, either. (I do think they should have replaced the live-action sequences with CG bits. CGI's getting very impressive, but it's still not good enough that the comparison wasn't a little bit jarring.)

I think it's a good film. I don't know if it's a great film, exactly, but it was good and I enjoy sci-fi a lot.

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I don't think you're being unreasonable, per se, I just think that you're mistaken about the significance of those features of the movie's story.

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actually, not this movie since I have not seen it, but all movies coming out of Hollywood. They have become so full or propaganda as to become unwatchable. The major difference is that if they show them long enough, most of the audience becomes indifferent to the propaganda.

It's there in almost every movie they produce. We just have increased our acceptance to this small inconvenience (Hey, it was just a little bit anti-American ya know). Won't be long until we just won't notice anymore...

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She doesn't bang on it as hard as you, but definitely recognizes the eco-krap, but doesn't dwell on it.

I must say that when I saw the trailer (at "Prince Caspian") it looked a little fishy. But I agree with Leon - that genre tends to just be that way in general.


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The few adverts for it, give you no idea that this is what it would be about.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Yeah...well...most of those genre tend to have other causes for the wasteland in them too...my wife pointed out the scenes from Terminator showing the destruction after the the war against the Machines...but there wasn't an overwhelming anti corporate liberal warning in it...not as much as in this movie anyway.

I don't think I'm overly sensitive to it I don't think because I liked Monsters inc yet it had an anti corporate message...though it wasn't pervasive and unceasing throughout the movie. Someone else pointed out the liberal messages in toy story two...but I loved it...and again it wasn't pervasive...in this one it couldn't be avoided...almost every scene in the movie was full of it except when MALL-E and EVE-A were floating around the mother ship in a scene reminiscent of Love Story...but even that was interspersed with stuff happening on the ship that carried a message as I recall.


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The conflict is somewhat ambiguous, though, because Auto has a pretty good argument on his side. The captain’s naiveté and ignorance would seem to make a return to earth disastrous. We’re given the further detail that centuries of reduced gravity have caused the human skeleton to become smaller and weaker; Captain McCrea’s feet and hands are little more than pudgy blobs. How could such people, with such disadvantages, thrive on earth? Wouldn’t a McCrea victory mean a defeat for humanity?

This nails another issue I have with the movie because it's so contradictory and the story conflicts with it's main themes at points. They start by showing something that could lead to a conclusion and take the movie in a totally different direction but the strings get cut and there are all these strings left hanging...In short it's incoherent and fails as a story before you get into any of the things I'm cracking on!

As the NRO author points put, the people are fed from cups and are in a stuper based on everything the computers do for them. They never explain, since there are no plants or animals or any of that so where does the food come from that the Corporation is feeding them? The people have never walked, dressed themselves or from the way the movie shoes it, they've never done physically exerted themselves even to the point of picking up a tooth brush and they've never experienced real gravity as the computer tells the captain so their skeleton has shrunk...yet they are able to stand up at the end of the movie having never walked and walk off the ship on earth...

And I pointed out as the NRO does that there is no real plot...there are several sub plots running through the movie but they are completely disconnected from one another...and the movie falls apart on that point. \

Each of these points are nit picking but added together...it wasn't a fun movie for me


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It may be the pessimist in me, but I'm generally inclined to agree with your review. I stumbled onto your post just before my roommate asked if I wanted to see the movie. Based on the trailers I saw before I read your review, I was suspicious of the movie, although for different reasons. A movie trailer ought to give one some sense of what the movie is about and these didn't. Partly because I saw your article and was better prepared, and partly because I don't have kids I was taking to the movie, it didn't infuriate me the way it did you. As the movie was starting, I said to my roommate, "my website had a bad review for the movie" but didn't tell her why. After the movie was over she said "It wasn't very good for a Pixar movie." She's nowhere near as conservative as I am, in fact I'd classify her as a right-leaning moderate on fiscal issues, libertarian on social issues, so she wouldn't be overly sensitive to the eco-nazi angle. To the extent you focus on WALL-E and EVE-A as a love story with a personal perseverance overcoming all obstacles, yeah I can see where some people would argue it has conservative underpinnings. But the strong Obamamanian themes running that serve as the backdrop are too much for me to ignore and classify it as such. Also I found it has too much of the Independence Day syndrome where you are suppose to ignore the complete inattention to plot because of the cool graphics and people/voices it stars.


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And here I was looking forward to watching Wall-e.

I don't even have kids. I just like amusing stories.

That's ok, though.... once this film is out of the theaters and dvd sales start to drop, they can always show it on the National Geographic channel... it sounds like it is their kind of drivel.

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just check your critical thinker at the door and I still say I wish I hadn't taken the kids to it!


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With no kids to take, I guess I'm safe.

Can you imagine the bad press a conservative family cartoon/movie would get?

Not an apolitical one, but one thaot spouted conservative, rather than enviro-weenie-liberal, ideals?

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The message usually goes over the heads of the libs though.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Eh, in terms of Blockbuster MovieGoing Experience, geared for kids, I don't see it.

I see many that are apolitical movies that are just random fun.

But I'm talking about a conservative movement to counter this liberal trash.

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There is the them of individuality, exceptionalism and the role of government in grinding these down and an out of control legal system being their tool.

There was one bit I loved in that movie where Mr. Incredible grumbles about the school finding new ways to celebrate mediocrity.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

See, I saw the Incredibles as apolitical.

It wasn't the Government that was bad, it was that "Society" didn't accept people who were different, and so the Government had to protect their identities so that they wouldn't be 'outed' to the public.

Also, note that the bad guy was an Inventor-Capitalist. He wanted to sell his products to everyone, so they made him an evil guy who was going to cause damage to the city and hurt people to get his products into the public spotlight with him as a 'new type of superhero'

But, this is nothing new.

In Monsters Inc, the 'bad guy' were part of a corporate plot to hurt little kids.

In Cars, the Company and the Fans used 'people' (cars) up until they were hurt, then cast them out like rubbish.

In one called "Over the Hedge", the hunter is evil and it is the good government employee that the bear depends on for total protection.

"Depend on the government" is a very common undercurrent in kids animated films. I'm not a tin foil hat kind of guy, I don't think there is any secret conspiracy or anything.

I just think that there needs to be a conservative counterpart to today's 'family film' liberalism.

Now, keep in mind, I really LIKED these movies.... Cars was great, even Over the Hedge made me laugh from start to finish. I really liked the Incredibles as well, and Monster's Inc.

I'd probably even be amused by Wall-E....

But I still don't like the themes that our kids are taught.

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I don't know that I'd consider South Park to be a kids show. (Yes, yes, I know, I'm an evil prude for thinking that kids shows ought not be filled with sexual references and vulgarity)

ESPECIALLY not their first movie. heh.

I do like the South Park guys.

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LOL

"Daddy, is that what Spongebob looks like in China?"

"Are those green people Planktons?"

"Are those submarine tanks?"

"Is that a donut?"

Yours is a gross exaggeration and mischaracterization of the movie, simply because there was a lot of trash everywhere doesn't mean they're trying to get your kids into the fur is murder crowd.

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I wouldn't put this in a category with Peta or ELF...but it's pretty over the top from my perspective.


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