CPAC: Giuliani Flops

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Some people tell me that Rudy Giuliani's speech at CPAC today was "terrific." Others say "outstanding."

I think they are mistaking Rudy for the previous speaker.

Before America's Mayor came on NRA President Wayne LaPierre warmed up the crowd to such a degree the room was scorching.

Five minutes into Rudy's speech the house was crammed to the walls, but all the energy had dissipated.

In other words, Rudy flopped. Big time.

Read on . . .

What did he talk about? Imagine the safest possible thing for a politician to talk about at CPAC.

Duh, Ronald Reagan.

So, who did Rudy spend his whole speech talking about? Duh, Ronald Reagan. Without reviewing my notes there were at least 5 direct quotes. "Peace through strenght" was the Reagan line Rudy kept regurgitating.

He didn't talk about marriage, he didn't talk about abortion and he didn't talk about judges.

Namely, he stayed far, far away from everything conservatives question him about.

But, sure, people say it was a "great speech." (Except if you saw Wayne's speech to compare it to. Rudy didn't hold a candle to that.)

Blah. He discussed, at length, welfare reform and education. More completely safe topics. Sorry, being good on vouchers doesn't give you a whole lot of street cred with the conservative crowd. It's sort of like a given you need to be good on that.

And, yes, Rudy, you cleaned up New York (no small task,I know) but it's pretty clear you aren't up to fighting our nation's culture war.

I'll have more to come. Ivy and I are working on a long CPAC presidential wrap up and you can be sure to hear more from me on this.

Well done is better than well said. —Benjamin Franklin

I was just telling my husband that Rudy's speech was a stinker. He thought he could get up there and just wing it. Well it sounded like it. He didn't have any notes, no outline and it showed. He was all over the map. Not a good speech at all. I think it shows his lack of respect for the people at CPAC..but at least he showed up.

Sorry, being good on vouchers doesn't give you a whole lot of street cred with the conservative crowd. It's sort of like a given you need to be good on that.

Well, if Rudy is serious about school choice - which he is - he'd be the first president who was (Reagan liked them but had other priorities).

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

I'd ask him to define "good on that" with relation to school choice. Because, as it stands, we've had precious few Republicans making much effort to move school choice forward.

GWB signed what he touted as the biggest federal education reform since Head Start...and barely even mentioned the word "choice" in the deliberations.

Granted, I prefer such programs to be activated and administered at the local (or, at worst, state) level rather than by the federal government. But, still, it would be nice to see some political leadership on that.

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Social Security Choice - Club For Growth

Do you currently support one of the other candidates? Because this post sounds like you might. Just curious.

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"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same." - Ronald Reagan

I don't support anyone.
Please see this article I wrote: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19537
It's similar to Erick's "they all suck" piece but written for polite company

Thanks for the insight. I was just curious - I'm a newbie to the blogosphere.

Right now, I characterize myself as a Gingrich guy, but of the "big 3" I find Rudy to be the leader for my vote.

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"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same." - Ronald Reagan

thanks Amanda. my issue right now is that none of the candidates seem to be as trustworthy or have the Vision, the sense that the Presidency is there to do Big Things, that Bush has (even if some of the Big Things he's done of necessity pushed aside some Big Things he came into office wanting to do). right now, Mitt Romney is the one that seems most likely to grow into that vision. there are concerns about sincerity and trustworthiness, but they seem no worse than they are for any other right now, and he also projects some reassurance, the most possibility of earning trust in the future.

It sounds a lot more like Rudy scared the heck out of a bunch of people (I type with glee)...

Well done is better than well said. —Benjamin Franklin

Or even McCain.

The guy lived with a gay couple after he cheated on his wife.

He dresses in drag and kisses Donald Trump too. You think that won't be used in an ad somewhere? Its all over YouTube.

Rudy will not be able to stand up to conservatives when it counts down the stretch. He has too much in writing, too much on tape. Too much baggage.

Blah. He discussed, at length, welfare reform and education. More completely safe topics. Sorry, being good on vouchers doesn't give you a whole lot of street cred with the conservative crowd. It's sort of like a given you need to be good on that.

Is this some sort of weak attempt at a joke? If you think welfare and schools are just a small part of what government does, take a peek at the budget some day.

As for the idea that welfare reform and school choice are a given, well, that's okay then. If everyone supports vouchers, no doubt they were adopted years ago. Funny how no-one noticed.

Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net

International Editor of

movement conservatives have had a pro-life, anti-gay marriage president in front of a Republican congress for the past 6 years and gotten .... nothing, really.

I'd argue that a governor's beliefs on such things are more important than a president's -- particularly if the candidate in question can be trusted to appoint conservative judges.

The conservative movement should look for a fiscally conservative president who is strong on defense and appoints the right federal judges. Those are the things a president has the most sway over.

I have never understood why somebody would pin the presidency on abortion and gay rights -- neither seems relevant to the job. That comment applies to both conservatives and liberals.

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We would also like to know your advice for somebody like my daughter, who's going to graduate in two years, advice that you would give a young person.

SEC. RUMSFELD: Advice for a young person. Study history.

The difference between someone who focuses a presidential campaign on welfare and education and someone who focuses it on gay marriage is that the former is an adult and the latter is not.

There's only one place that the President can really have a major on these two issues, and that's through judicial appointments.

Rudy, a former federal prosecutor, has already expressed his admiration for the President's Roberts and Alito picks, and I believe him. With Ginsburg and Stevens, the most likely upcoming vacancies, holding out until the next election, the next president will have the chance to truly re-shape the Court by the two most liberal justices on the bench.

Those who really want to save the unborn will back a candidate who understands the importance of the judiciary - as Rudy does - and who will appoint judges that will impact those policies - as I believe Rudy would. Those who care more about who that candidate used to live with than what kind of judges they would appoint - we'll, I'd hate to have to explain that choice to the children who might otherwise have been saved had we beaten President Hillary Clinton.

"I am afraid that even after the American people will elect those who promise to leave Iraq, the U.S. will not do so." - Hamas leader Abu Abdullah

I don't know how people expect a guy who says that Roe v. Wade is good constitutional law can be expected to deliver more Scalias, Robertses, and Alitos. If he just means, "intelligent lawyers," then that's not the standard we're looking for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM

Somewhere over the Rainbow, in the land of Oz, there is a liberal who will do whatever conservatives want. Our most inspired conservative desires, he will fullfill. Everything we saw in Reagan, he will be. No matter what he has done or said in the past. His name has been on the news, and besides no conservative can be elected in America. We've convinced ourselves of that. So he is our guy, because we believe he will do whatever conservatives want.

He will appoint judges who agree with us, while disagreeing with him.

He will be at the forefront of the fight against, because we want him to be. But if he isn't, well our convictions can be departmentalized.

He will support our right to own guns, unless we need to lose them to fight crime. Well, we have to make sacrifices.

He will defend marriage against those in the culture war trying to destroy it, while bringing us homosexual marriage by another name - civil unions, which make a mockery of marriage. But we will tell ourselves that is different.

He will stop the wicked stepmother Hillary Clinton because suddenly all the liberal democrats will want to vote for a liberal republican who might even cut some liberal programs, much to their delight? (Does any program get cut by anyone?)

He will be a great leader in the war on terror because we have convinced ourselves he can be. If we only believe.

He will do all these things because we want him to. I can support him. If only he only agrees to.....

He will be at the forefront of the fight against abortion, because we want him to be. But if he isn't, well our convictions can be departmentalized.

Not sure why that dropped out.

He will NOT win the republican nomination. No way. Nor will Newt. Between the 2 of them they have what 5 marrages between them.. As a conservative catholic there is NO WAY I would vote for the guy. Sorry guys, pick somone else. I think its going to be Mitt. Did you here HIS speech today? It was great!! HE has enthusiasm, something that Rudy, McCain, and Newt have a hard time showing let alone inspiring.

I am a social conservative. It matters not to me that Rudy avoids Abortion, and Gay Marriage, when the nation is fighting a war on terrorism. By far, he, like Bush, is what we need in 2008.

In addition, perhaps one of you two juveniles might edit each other’s work. Words like "Duh' and "Blah" are reflective of your Gen Z-like ineptitude. (Including your spelling error of "Peace through strenght")

Conservatives need those that can prioritize the issues and clearly articulate beyond baby talk.

Please spare us the feeble, unarticulated wit of the Presidential wrap up.

I have been reading Human Events for over 30 years! Its clear that you two weren’t able to read back then or now.

I doubt Reagan would be making the same statements if he could read some of the childish content in the online portion of this great institution!

Although I am humbled to admit that I will use the "duh" in posting when being condescending and sarcastic.

Having said that, I watched the video of Rudy at CPAC and I'm at a loss at the tone of this post. I also watched Romney and of the two was more impressed with the candor, sincerity, pointedness, intellect of the Rudy speech.

It was, for me, what I wanted. A man who is both human and bold.

Well done is better than well said. —Benjamin Franklin

The latest Quinnipiac poll shows Rudy leading Hillary in New Jersey by 9 points. If Rudy can win all the Bush states plus New Jersey (and possibly NY and/or PA), Hillary's toast, which is more than we can say for any of the other GOP candidates.

I'm not crazy about Rudy's position on abortion, but Presidents won't undo Roe v. Wade--judges might. It comes down to that--do we trust him with judicial appointments? For conservatives, he DID cut taxes and fight crime in New York, and he would be a military hawk. Is that good enough, or do we want Hillary?

The bad news: Conservatism is hard to sell. The good news is that it works.

I bet he didn't quote from Abortion and the Conscience of a Nation, did he?

Run like Reagan!

It comes down to that--do we trust him with judicial appointments?

That is indeed what it comes down to for me. I can't help but like the guy, and my reading of the electoral tea leaves tells me he's the GOP's best bet at putting together the votes to prevail. But I sure would feel a lot more comfortable if he'd wink and nod a tad more uncryptically with respect to Roe v Wade, and the desirability of appointing judges who think the '73 decision was wrong.

He had a golden opportunity to do so at CPAC, and, from what I've read, at least, he pretty much punted. This undoubtedly is part of his strategy. He likely wants to avoid controversial Drudge headlines ("RUDY CALLS FOR OVERTURN OF ROE") that would come back to haunt him in a general election. I just hope for his sake the lack of such headlines don't haunt him in the primaries.

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As a solid Pro-Choicer, I'm actually glad that Rudy is moving towards a more socially conservative position, or at least emphasizing his more conservative aspects of his abortion stance.

But you Pro-Life guys gotta be careful. If Rudy goes too far down the Pro-Life camp, he might end up alienated some Pro-Choice Republicans. Not me, but maybe some others like me.

Let's find a good middle ground between Pro-Choice Republicans and Pro-Life Republicans. I suggest opposition to government funding of abortions, parental notification, outlawing partial birth and emphasize adoption over abortion.

Eric Dondero
www.mainstreamlibertarian.com

may be shared among many of the pro-choice Republicans, reluctance to take choice away because of those occasional, very terrible situations where nobody wants to say no to those individuals. It's not the same as approving all elective abortions. These people are worth keeping in the camp, because they'd probably all be happier with a long-term reduction in the root causes that create the need for choice to begin with. It may take a generation or more of action on all fronts to achieve great results but I think most everyone in the party wants to be constructive, to make abortion as rare as possible, and not just through legal means.

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If Giuliani were merely supportive of the rape/incest exceptions to banning abortion (you know, the occasional, very terrible situations where the anti-abortion movement is split) in addition to the life-of-the-mother exception, there wouldn't even BE a discussion about his abortion position.

This is all about Giuliani's support for Abortion On Demand as provided by Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton and the Supreme Court decisions since that have refined those two.

Run like Reagan!

We don't need Roe or the courts to provide exeptions for those terrible cases. Look at what happened in South Dakota last November, where the people voted to strike down the legislature's abortion ban because it did not provide exemptions for cases of rape and incest.

While its true that the unborn child is no less innocent in such cases, ardent pro-lifers need to understand and realize that most people (even those who are mostly pro-life themselves) do not think that a woman should have to carry to term a pregnancy over which she had no decision-making power at conception. Pro-life forces ignore this very widespread sentiment at their own peril.

But anyway, if Roe were overturned (as it should be), then in almost every state the people would ultimately ensure that the abortion remains legal for rape, incest, and life of the mother.

I'm also a pro choice although I'm a Libertarian who votes Republican however I fear that if Rudy Guiliani is not nominated that the next president will be a democrat named Hilary Clinton.

The true middle ground is getting rid of Roe. It would be completely neutral in terms of eventual abortion policy.

Being pro-choice does not mean one must be pro-Roe. You can be pro-choice and recognize that Roe is a terrible decision w/o any Constitutional justification; that its a perfect example of judicial activism. If not for that outrageous usurpation of power by the courts, abortion would not be any thing close to the national issue that it has become.

You can be pro-abortion and be opposed to the policy consequences of Roe, even. Few countries, by my understanding, have abortion as unrestricted as we do, thanks that activist court.

Run like Reagan!

Why is abortion only an issue at election time? I think abortions are horrible however I don't believe it taking that option away as a last resort. In the near future Science will advance far enough to make abortion a null and void issue. Why hasn't anyone at least attempted to take action on abortion we have had Conservatives in power for most of the last 25 years and they only pay it lip service at election time no action is ever taken .Social issues and wedge positions are always used in campaign rhetoric. They need to act on their convictions if they truly support such issues. Thta why I like Guiliani he's a straight shooter not a bull shiter

Given the number of lefties attacking this community, the standards have gone up. Next time stay home and practice longer before taking your game to the big leagues.

Run like Reagan!

Why is abortion only an issue at election time?

It's not an issue only "at election time." Every time a Supreme Court vacancy occurs abortion once again becomes an issue that gets lots of coverage. It gets lot of additional coverage the closer we head to presidential elections, of course, because it is the president who chooses who gets to don the black robes.

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