Evangelicals Flocking To Mike Huckabee
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Now that Huckabee has broken into double digits in this dizzying 5-way-race, Huckabee is now officially in the top tier. Huck has been ramping up his fundraising too, and he is on pace to quintuple the money that he raised in the 3rd quarter.
On the heels of an impressive performance at the Family Research Council's Washington Briefing, Mike Huckabee is starting to attract many evangelicals away from Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson now that Huckabee has proven his viability as a candidate. Consider this well-written endorsement by Joe Carter, et al, at the Evangelical Outpost:
We can no longer sit idly by and allow the campaign of a worthy candidate and an honorable man to flounder for lack of support.
Only after prayerfully considering the issues, the candidates, and the electoral calculus have we decided to settle on this joint endorsement. We hope that you will join us in careful deliberation of Gov. Huckabee's candidacy and that you will join us in pledging to cast a sacred vote for the office of President of the United States.
In another post, Joe Carter explains why he stopped endorsing Fred Thompson.
Huckabee's impressive showing at the FRC event also prevented the so-con leaders from jointly backing Mitt Romney. In addition, one Romney backer even retracted his public endorsement of Romney. And Huckabee is gaining on Romney in Iowa.
It is now clear that Huckabee has become the "evangelical choice" as well as the "social conservative choice" in this exciting presidential race.
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may well permanently marginalize the SoCon vote. I will agree that he is good on pro-life issues. The problem is that he is soooooooooooooooooooooooo bad on virtually everything else.
For what it's worth (nothing), in my pro-life, evangelical circles (includes people who have started and run pregnancy counciling operations) I don't know anybody who would vote for Huckabee in the primary.
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He never met a tax he didn't like as Governor of AR. I really don't care about signing "no tax" pledges, we've been through that one before with B41 and I'll refer to actual actions before "promises". The fact that I'm no particular fan of the FlatTax doesn't help in this matter.
The guy is a Nanny on the order of Mike Bloomberg. He thinks government solves problems and would be more than happy to give the Dems their entry into Nationalized Healthcare.
He sucks on education - not enough $$ for NCLB.
He has a history of working with Ds in AR to "accomplish" something. We don't need somebody who will work with Ds in DC, we need somebody who will fight the bas**rds every minute of every day. NewTone™ needs to be laid to rest forever.
I never, ever want to see another "Compassionate Conservative" elected to ANYTHING, ever, for any reason.
And then there's immigration. He's marching hand in hand with Teddy the Hutt and McCain the former.
Iraq? Sorry, I don't trust anything he says. He'll find a way to work with the Ds.
Huckabee as POTUS is not my worst nightmare, but he's really close.
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"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
Your post needs at least a couple (if not more) clarifications.
First, Huckabee does NOT support the FlatTax. He supports the FairTax...BIG difference.
Second, just because he supports the idea that he could use his "bully pulpit" as President to encourage citizens to live healthier lives, doesn't mean he's proposing "nanny" government programs to effect those ideas.
I'm as conservative as they come and I like the idea of a President establishing a "vision" for the country...internally and with foreign affairs. Huckabee is the most inspirational conservative Republican to come along since Reagan.
Prediction: Huckabee will be tied with Romney in Iowa by the end of November.
Mr. Ed
Now Part of the HuckaBuzz
My old fuzzy mind said "FairTax" while my fat western fingers typed "FlatTax". I happen to prefer the FlatTax and I do not like the FairTax. Sorry for the confusion, but bottom line is still the same, I don't trust him and I don't like the tax plan he's purportedly signed up to support.
Second, with regard to his "bully pulpit", if he's planning on wasting his time yapping about weight loss when there's a war going on and the Ds are doing everything in their power to undermine it, he needs a priority transplant.
I have no use for the guy. I don't care how "inspirational" he is, we don't need inspiration we need somebody with a spine to stand up to the Ds on the war and on the expansion of the federal government. You note that we need "vision", and I couldn't agree more. We certainly don't need a vision of expanded government and we don't need a vision that I fear would include a Democrat opinion on foreign affairs.
Huckabee can run for Senate and inspire the old fools in the senior chamber all he wants, heck I'll even send him money. As far as a Presidential contender he is totally out to lunch and every bit as bad as Ron Paul.
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Dear Mike Huckabee....please challenge Mark Prior in the senate race!!!
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Huckabee out to lunch and as bad as Ron Paul, I chuckle. He is proving the cynics wrong on a daily basis. They never thought he would make it this far, yet he is only gaining traction. He is getting the big mo in the polls, fundraising, and in the grassroots movement. He was elected and re-elected in a governorship with a 90% democratic legislature. As far as the Ron Paul crack goes, let's not even go there. He is pro-troops and recognizes that we are in one of the greatest conflicts of the 21st century and has the insight to realize that we need to be doing more to get Bin Laden who is hiding in Pakistan.
Personally, I believe that he is the only chance the GOP has at winning next November.
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
Speaking of health, what is the Hucksters position on smoking again?
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
I would love to see a _real_ compassionate conservative elected president -- not one who just uses the slogan.
So far, Huckabee and Paul are the only Republicans I trust that what they say is the same as what they believe. (And since I'm talking about honesty, the only Democrat I think says what he really believes is Edwards.)
And of those three, Huckabee's got the most appeal to me.
Of the rest of the field, if I think you're lying to me as a candidate, why would I want you to be president?
Why do you trust Edwards? He is probably one of the least trustworthy candidates that I have ever seen.
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
This guy pays $5,000 too much for his new cars as well. He would have attended Elmaer Gantry's church each and every Sunday. Edwards may be an execrable sleaze bag, but he could sell Sno-cones to the Eskimoes.
“The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men."
While I do know a few people who like Huckabee, this evangelical sure doesn't. Greatness on one issue isn't enough if everything else is pretty horrible.
He is great on exactly two issues (life and guns), but that still doesn't make up for being horrible on everything else.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
MBecker does a pretty decent job of laying it out in this very post. If I was looking for a "compassionate conservative" who would take the "compassionate" part to the next level, Huckabee would be my choice. Nobody else even comes close. He is so similar to W, in fact, that he would be totally unelectable in the general. So I wouldn't support him even if I liked his positions.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
regarding concerns on Huckabee but no specific issue.
"He's bad on education."
"He worked with Democrats."
Let's deal with two or three specific issues or bills. I'm just as interested in learning more as anyone, but I'd love to hear specifics.
Mr. Ed
Now Part of the HuckaBuzz
And yea, mbecker gave some pretty specific examples, actually. One specific issue he didn't mention is subsidized tuition for illegals that he was pushing for in AR, and his accusations of racism on the parts of those who opposed it. Check out Club for Growth's site (or as Huckabee calls them "the Club for Greed") on Huckabee here. Or listen to his "Two Americas" -- oops -- "Main Street vs Wall Street" rhetoric. Sure is easy to get those guys confused.
But you aren't really interested anyway, since it appears that you just registered to bot for Huckabee.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
Yes, I'm excited about Huckabee but I'm also interested in making a fully informed decision, so I am interested in all the research I can find. I'm also interested in being fair and correcting misrepresentations.
Huckabee is NOT in favor of subsidizing tuition for illegals...a typical misunderstanding/mischaracterization of his position. He supported in-state tuition for CHILDREN of illegal aliens who had already completed high school in his state and had been accepted into a university. I'm a strong opponent of illegal immigration but this seems to be a sensible approach to a difficult problem.
As to "racism", Huckabee has merely said there are some among the anti-illegal immigration crowd who do have racial undertones to their opposition. We all agree this is a small minority of those of us opposed to illegal immigration. But it is true.
I think his "Wall/Main Street" rhetoric is actually brilliant. He seems to be as fiscally conservative as anyone but recognizes there is a huge Reagan blue collar Democrat opportunity to be leveraged. I don't think this is anything more than rhetoric as everything I've heard in detailed interviews is that he is a big supporter of free markets and capitalism.
Seriously, what is a "bot" and how does one register as one? I am new to this blogging stuff.
Mr. Ed
Now Part of the HuckaBuzz
He supported in-state tuition for CHILDREN of illegal aliens who had already completed high school in his state and had been accepted into a university.
First of all, I wouldn't classify someone who has graduated from high school as a child, though I can see why you prefer to use that word to drum up sympathy. Second of all, if the adult in question is here legally, they won't have an issue obtaining in-state tuition and scholarships. He specifically wanted to give in-state tuition to illegal aliens. He's even further to the left on this issue than McCain and W are.
As to "racism", Huckabee has merely said there are some among the anti-illegal immigration crowd who do have racial undertones to their opposition. We all agree this is a small minority of those of us opposed to illegal immigration. But it is true.
All the "some" qualifier shows is that he doesn't have the courage to attack anyone directly and explicitly, so instead he throws a qualifier in there and talks generally about those stupid racists who are opposed to his position and trying to undermine his priorities. Seriously, why do you think he said it? Note: This is pretty much a bot qualification question right here. If you can't even see what he was attempting to do here, you are totally incapable of any critical analysis of your guy.
I think his "Wall/Main Street" rhetoric is actually brilliant.
Yea, well, it figures. I'm sure the "Two Americas" rhetoric would be brilliant if that's what Huckabee was spewing. Sorry, but I'm not into populism. If I was, I would be voting for Edwards. And no, I don't think it is just some ploy. I give him more credit than that... I think he actually believes what he is saying.
Seriously, what is a "bot"
Someone whose only purpose in life is to post glowing posts about his guy. Someone who thinks his guy is without fault. He has an excuse for everything his guy does. If he takes a break from praising their guy, it is only to attack his guy's competitors. Every candidate has them.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
To beat Rudy come primary time.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
Normally, I try to encourage everyone to keep the tone above the bar, but this is starting to get really ridiculous. The point is you can't hold the offspring of a lawbreaker responsible for the crime. Using your broken down philosophy none of us should be allowed to enjoy freedom in this country because somewhere in our family tree there is wrongdoing. Maybe I should be held responsible for slavery as someone in my family might have had something to do with it, although my grandfather was actually born in Manitoba, Canada. Fact is, if a child is brought into this country and grows up in our school system achieving graduation, they are innocent and not accountable.
"He's even further to the left on this issue than McCain and W are." Really? That's sure funny. Fits Rudy, but certainly not Huckabee. Huckabee is for sealing the border both with technology and more border security, and he is against the very same amnesty program that Bush supported. Amnesty gives illegal aliens living in this country a free pass. However, Huckabee supports penalizing the illegals here. He just isn't extremist enough for some here, so they want to totally discredit him altogether.
Finally, Huckabee is the only candidate who has the guts to tackle the tough issues in November 2008, the tact and intelligence to communicate his ideology effectively enough to win votes from all groups of people, and who can actually hold the party together rather than split 1 of every 4 like Guliani will.
There's a lot of mischaracterizing going on about Huckabee's positions and actions as governor, and I've spent a lot of time having to correct people on this stuff about illegal immigration. Sadly, it often does no good, as the same people end up going onto another thread or make another blog post, and repeat the same identical false assertions about Huckabee's record despite having had those mischaracterizations corrected and explained to them. All we can do is keep refuting this crap over and over, to make sure they aren't able to get people to just believe it through repetition (what's the saying again about repeating a lie often enough and people come to believe it...? yeah). But it sure gets tiresome after a while. Bottom line is, there is a hardcore group in our party determined to undermine social conservatives and our best candidate, and to stop him they're going to have to rely on false assertions and distorting his record to achieve their ends. We can't afford to let them, or all the hard work we've put into this party over the last three decades will be crushed.
A couple points:
1) This isn't about punishment. Since when does not receiving free government goodies equal punishment?
2) The people in question are here illegally. If they were born here they would be American citizens. This isn't about what their parents did. It's about their legal status in this country.
If you really believe it is punishment not to give illegal aliens a tuition break, and that's unfair because they may have been 10 or 14 when they crossed the border, you should certainly support amnesty. You could more accurate classify deportation as punishment than simply refusing to give out government freebies.
Huckabee is for sealing the border both with technology and more border security
So is W and McCain...
he is against the very same amnesty program that Bush supported
Yea, well everybody is against amnesty if you ask them. How many times has W said the same thing? He claims his program isn't amnesty. They all just define amnesty a bit different than most people.
However, Huckabee supports penalizing the illegals here.
Yea, by giving them subsidized tuition I guess... Is he going to deport them before or after they finish their subsidized college education? If you believe this I got some ocean front property in Utah you may be interested in.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
Someone whose only purpose in life is to post hit jobs irregardless of fact or accuracy about his guy's opponent. Someone who thinks his guy's opponent is wrong on all issues, even comparing him to John Edwards. He has a beef with everything his guy's opponent does. If he takes a break from sharp shooting his guy's opponent, it is only to praise his guy. Every candidate has them.
Nice username.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
he also has a nice comfortable lead in florida he will be a top 2 at worst my bet is he wins it all
You see, the RNC *doubles* the delegate counts for states that went for Bush in 2004. None of those states get that bonus. So consider that Georgia gets about as many delegates as New Jersey.
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is that he can appeal to a rabid yella dog Democratic partisan like me till someone reminds me of his crazy social views. Of all the Republicans in the race, the only one I fear going up against is Huck, as I'd imagine that most Democrats would be strongly drawn to his social justice language, middle class economic policy and be willing to forgive his religious lunacy. If he can make a partisan like me look twice, God only knows what he can do to our base.
Dheeraj is a Democrat. He loves being a Democrat. He will most probably not change his mind about being a Democrat. Yet, nonetheless, he assumes that Republicans will change their minds about being Republicans. Go figure.
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Democrats only regard religion as lunacy when its Republicans talking about or demonstrating religion. I have not heard any complaints about Obama's religious musings. Democrats have no problems when their candidates campaign from the pulpit in church during Sunday morning worship.
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And if your post had not been so manifestly insulting to the Huck (lunacy, etc) I would consider letting you in on it.
But I'm not convinced yet that you are worth my time.
It's war -- so when can we start shooting back at the enemy Democrats?
Is that an attempt at humor, since you've pretty well staked yourself out as anti-Christian bigot?
Kinda like, I suppose, if I used the term Hillary F-ing Clinton as some kind of curse, when in fact I don't believe there's such a thing as a Hillary Clinton.
You know, I think I see it. An Atheist exclaiming "Good God!"
Haha.
Hahahahaha.
It's war -- so when can we start shooting back at the enemy Democrats?
I don't get it, on account of being intellectually inferior. Remember, according to dear chad or whatever his name is, Southern Baptists are something something. I drifted there ...
Anyway, at least you and I know that 555 is a mark of the snake devil, unlike some people. That's the snake that I do not take orders from, incidentally. I mean really, that would be super intellectually inferior. I'm just medium intellectually inferior.
absentee
I'm ignorant hick Southern Baptist too.
But I was guessing this:
555 is how fast my Toyota Supra goes.
5x5x5 is how fast it goes in 2nd gear, if I wanna.
Oh yeah, I'm also one of those Nascar morons the Dummy-crats keep trying to reach out to by insulting.
It's war -- so when can we start shooting back at the enemy Democrats?
I don't know how you get from "I don't agree with Huck's positions and I don't trust the means by which he got them." to "Dheeraj is an atheist."
The simple fact that I'm not a Gantry doesn't mean that I'm irreligious, and I think that it's quite telling of the Protestant megalomania to assume that anyone who doesn't think as they do must necessarily be irreligious.
Dheeraj is a Democrat. He loves being a Democrat. He likes talking to Republicans and writing about them here and here.
...system for comments, which we incidentally dismantled when lefties kept showing up and troll-rating every conservative post in sight. A "5" is thus sitespeak for a great post, and variants thereof are common as well.
Moe
PS: Nothing personal, but we're aware that Huckabee is the Blake Ashby of choice for those who don't think that we'll buy people talking up Ron Paul. You may now artfully deny knowing what I'm talking about. :)
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But I'm a yella dog, not a straw dog. No, we don't think that religion qua religion is crazy.
I do think, however, that people are accountable for their views regardless of the origins or means of verification of those views, and if Mike Huckabee's views are sufficiently uncommon so as to be colloquially called crazy, the fact that he hides them behind a wall of snake handling Protestantism doesn't exculpate him from the consequences of those beliefs or their reception by others.
For example, I don't have a problem with Jews and Muslims abstaining from pork or Christians eating fish on Fridays. That's not crazy. What is crazy is saying that his religion tells him that divorce is wrong and should be difficult to get, and that because he believes that, every other person in AMerica should be required to live by his religious beliefs.
The view itself is a bit nutty, but the forcing of people to live by what he thinks his snake told him while he was rocking out with a guitar and screaming in tongues is what makes him nuts.
Dheeraj
Dheeraj is a Democrat. He loves being a Democrat. He likes talking to Republicans and writing about them here and here.
"The view itself is a bit nutty, but the forcing of people to live by what he thinks his snake told him while he was rocking out with a guitar and screaming in tongues is what makes him nuts."
Yeah, not hostile to religion at all. Do you suggest that this what Southern Baptist means? Talking to snakes?
absentee
You are confusing one particular variation of one particular religion with all religion as religion, and I find that to be both disingenuous and incredibly megalomaniacal.
Your particular religion as hardly typical of all religions. As I've said prior, I have absolutely no problem with people practicing their religions so long as I don't have to live by them. If Norm Coleman introduced a bill in the Senate requiring all males to wear a kippah, I'd oppose that as much as I oppose Huck's ridiculous divorce position.
And as far as "Southern Baptist" goes, I grew up in Houston, Texas, which is prime Gantry country, so don't bother telling me about it. Yes, I know what a Southern Baptist is, and they're frankly quite tacky. Even if a Catholic or an Orthodox holds the same view on marriage, I'm going to respect it a lot more because it's backed up by a scholarly and intellectual tradition, and not from rolling about in the dirt and having ecstatic revelations.
Dheeraj
Dheeraj is a Democrat. He loves being a Democrat. He likes talking to Republicans and writing about them here and here.
Don't tell me about Southern Baptists, I happen to BE one, thanks very much. So why don't you answer my question? Are you suggesting that because Huckabee is Southern Baptist he is therefore taking orders from snakes?
Why even MAKE that statement if you aren't prepared to elaborate?
Megalomaniacal. That would be cute if it weren't surrounded by pomposity.
absentee
Logically, I would assume that not all Southern Baptists are Gantrys. I just have yet to meet one.
Also, I have yet to meet one who can make any kind of reasoned intellectual argument from natural law or first principles in th e way that a Jesuit can, so, yes, I think that they're intellectually inferior to Catholic logic-choppers or secularists.
Now, as for Huck, you've got the direction of causality wrong. I'm not suggesting that he talks to snakes because he's Southern Baptist. I'm saying that because the crazy views that he holds are frequently held by snake handlers, I'm assuming that he handles snakes. Am I wrong in assuming that his views on marriage and women are frequently held by people who handle snakes and speak in tongues?
Dheeraj is a Democrat. He loves being a Democrat. He likes talking to Republicans and writing about them here and here.
"What is crazy is saying that his religion tells him that divorce is wrong and should be difficult to get, and that because he believes that, every other person in AMerica should be required to live by his religious beliefs." This as opposed to forcing those of us who have great healthcare to pay for everyone else's HC, which is just dandy.
In the one case, it's a matter of disagreeing with budget priorities and spending, which is largely a secular matter. In the other case, Huck wants to make others live according to the religious laws of a religion they don't practice. I don't see how these two are comparable.
Dheeraj is a Democrat. He loves being a Democrat. He likes talking to Republicans and writing about them here and here.
Why is it that only Christians are attacked by the left? Even if Huckabee is a snake handling Southern Baptist or as us intellecutuals call them Pentecostals not snake handling Protestantism. These are the remarks that get my blood boiling. Who is anyone to question the ways the Holy Spirit works in believers? You apparently are an atheist and you need to equip yourself better when speaking on issues regarding Christianity.
As far as Marriage goes. I am divorced. Am I glad it was easy to get one, Yes! But bottom line is people take marriage too lightly in the U.S. There is a reason it is said "Till death do you part." I have read articles on education and such. You know why people fail in school and are constantly in trouble. Is because Left wing Liberals have made it too easy for divorce to even be attainable. Not only in our day but in the day of early Christianity as well. Read the scripture and be open to what is said instead of looking at it critically and questioning every word or every verse. You might learn something new.
RVJ
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1. You have absolutely insufficient evidence to assume that I'm an atheist. All that you have is that I make fun of snake handlers.
2. It's not just "Christians" who are attacked by the left. It's anyone who wants to live in the Dark Ages, be they Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, whatever. As it happens, in this country, the majority of people who want to live in the Dark Ages are snake handling Christians, so they get to be the butt of all the jokes.
3. Furthermore, it's one specific kind of Christian, not Christians as a whole. The Southern Baptist Convention is not the largest convention, thank God, but merely the loudest and the nuttiest. The majority of Christians in this country are normal people.
4. Basic courtesy, which they don't hold to, anyway, aside, I don't feel any need to be sensitive to the feelings of these people, as they are in no way sensitive to mine.
5. To honestly suggest that access to divorce is the root cause of all social problems in this country is proof positive that theocons have finally divorced itself from any rigourous quantitative study of cause and effect and now take dicta purely from their snakes.
6. As both Tom Paine and Leo Strauss point out, even if Huck's claims that the Holy Spirit operate through his Rickenbacker and his python are true, no one else in the world is obliged to accept it. Revelation and experiences are personal. Watching him writhe around in the floor is insufficient proof that what he's saying is true.
Dheeraj is a Democrat. He loves being a Democrat. He likes talking to Republicans and writing about them here and here.
You know nothing about Southern Baptists. Clearly you have been greatly influenced that Sinclair Lewis novel from 1927 which you continue to link to like some universal proof of your claims.
Making sweeping, nasty generalizations about a large group based on such small evidence is pathetic, and a clear sign of an immature mind.
I said hostility earlier. Clearly the word I was looking for was malice.
I am a Southern Baptist, and my father is a Southern Baptist minister. He is a double PhD and speaks 11 languages. I am a former Marine and a Web Professional. Neither of us has ever handled snakes or spoken in tongues. We are mainstream Southern Baptists and attend large Southern Baptist churches. If we don't have an inside view who does?
Oh right, a fictional character from 1927. Yep, you're the reasonable one here. Right.
absentee
the Baptists have always just been people we race with to get to restaurants first on Sundays, which of course puts the most pressure on our own pastors to wrap up their sermons at a good time.
Mike Huckabee is a long way from the kind of Baptist who'll say you're not saved anymore if he sees you with a drink in your hand. He not only has the public speaking skills of a pastor but also a sense of genuine sincerity. If he should become the nominee, he'll be fantastic in the head-to-head debates and he'll do it all with a friendly smile.
This is exactly why I'm terrified of him. He really does come across as that jovial schoolteacher who makes you want to do well in his classes, or that uncle who'll tell you you messed up, help you solve the problem, make you promise not to do it again, not tell your parents and buy you an ice cream. He makes the American Dark Ages Brigade look acceptable, and that's what's terrifying.
Dheeraj is a Democrat. He loves being a Democrat. He likes talking to Republicans and writing about them here and here.
but time will tell what the Huckabee candidacy brings out in some people, which I would consider to be latent results.
I'll preface this by saying I was born in Jheezusland, was done raised up there and didn't get to see the big, highly-civilized, City of Los Angeles until I pursued the gradumate part of my edumacayshun. That having been said, like the AMT, the sort of contempt and narrow-minded stupidity displayed in calling evangelical protestants the American Dark Ages Brigade will only come back to bite arrogant liberals in their pampered rear ends.
Normally, I'm no rabid fan of the Religious Right. They were the only people on the face of the planet who could have re-elected Senator Chuck Robb in 1994. However, since you've successfully lowered yourself to the James Dobson, Spongebob is gay level of discourse, consider yourself rebuked for being the living exemplar of the very narrow-minded bigotry you self-righteously calim to abhor.
“The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men."
I grew up in Houston, Texas, and was surrounded by these people. I have yet to come across one who is not a flaming, stinking hypocrite who screams loudly about rules that other people have to follow. I saw this long before I ever read Sinclair Lewis, and yes, it's a convenient way of describing them. As I said to you before, I'm sure that it's logically possible to find one who isn't a fraud, but I just have yet to.
As I also said, the majority of Christians in this country are good, normal people. It's just that the lunatic brigade are very, very noisy, and have poisoned the perception of both Christianity and religion at large.
Dheeraj is a Democrat. He loves being a Democrat. He likes talking to Republicans and writing about them here and here.
some of whom I'm harshly critical of and many who are as good as gold. The former always have a much higher profile.
Your ignorance disgusts me.
"I have yet to come across one who is not a flaming, stinking hypocrite who screams loudly about rules that other people have to follow."
I simply do not believe you. You are lying in order to shore up what you know was an obvious overreach on your part. How you can continue to defend your outrageous characterizations is beyond me.
In summary, Southern Baptists are intellectually inferior, snake handling, hypocrite, noisy, fraudulent lunatics who are dangerous.
That's an outline of some of your accusations in this thread. If you were saying that about any other group you'd have long been banned.
absentee
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"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson
...in the US, after us Catholics.
But I digress. We don't actually let religious bigots post here: particularly Leftist ones who always seem to home in on the religious groups where... ah, melanin levels have significance.
So get the Hell off of our nice, clean website.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Thank you, Moe. His schtick was really p*ing me off.
“I consider looseness with words no less of a defect than looseness of the bowels” - John Calvin
There are times when he doesn't love being a Republican, but then again, that's part of being a Republican. He reminds new posters on this thread that we do not take shots at other religions on this blog. He further likes to do this with as gentle a warning as he can muster, which is then followed with a sincere hope that he doesn't have to deactivate an account.
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We are all heroes, you and Boo and I. Hamsters and rangers everywhere, rejoice!
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as a couple of nuts?
“The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men."
Maybe he wouldn't be willing to forgive them for their secular humanistic lunacy.
In which case, a Democrat MIGHT come here, supporting him, in the hope that be suggesting he is the best candidate to defeat the Democrats, we will be fooled into supporting a weak candidate.
Or then again, maybe you aren't that smart, and you really do fear him, in which case he would be the best candidate.
How smart are you?
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Lord Vegas is a true American. some would call him a Mutt, but he prefers the term mixed breed
I don't understand the infatuation with Huckabee. He is socially conservative but a big government Republican. No thanks. And his reasoning against Fred is deeply flawed.
Oh well.
Huckabee is only being mis-characterized as a big-government Republican. He's not. I once thought this myself. Look into his record more closely. He's really strong on federalism and things being done at the local level. Check out his interview with Glen Beck on youtube. It's really in-depth. There's no way you can watch that interview and believe he's for big government.
Guys, with all do respect, I think that Dheerajchand is a troll who is just having a good time screwing with us in order to a get a reaction out of us, so that he can have a good laugh. Huck plays the guitar while talking to snakes? Please!! Anyway, I know that I'm still relatively new around here, but I don't think that people like him should be allowed to come here and mock us for his amusement just because he has an empty life and obviously has nothing better to do with his time.
Anyway, I think that people are being unfair to Huck in regards to his immigration policy. I, too, think that it's wrong to punish a high school or college aged student for their parents breaking the law when they were five years old. Like George Will said, "It would take buses lined up from California to Alaska in order to deport all of these illegal immigrants--face it, it's not going to happen." I can also quote Bill O'Rielly who stated, "Do we really want to have twelve million Elian Gonzales moments?" That being said, my great-grandparents were Cajuns, or illegal immigrants from Canada. Should I, therefore, not be able to get student loans in order to pay for my medical school education? While I do want to secure both of our borders, so that we can know who is coming into our country and why, I'm not a big fan of deporting 12 million people--because it's impossible, for starters, and it's terrible PR. And by the way, with the exception of Hunter and Tancredo, I don't think that any of the other Republican presidential candidates are in favor of mass deportation either. Furthermore, I believe that a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. If these kids are going to stay in the country--and since a lot of them are bright and hardworking--I think that we should educate them, so that we will have a better and stronger workforce in our country.
By the way, I'm a Democrat and I have absolutely no problem with Huckabee's religious roots. I was raised Catholic and now attend an Episcopalian church, so I like the fact that he shares my faith. One of the big things that I like about Huckabee, is that he comes across as a "love and forgiveness" kind of Christian and less of a "fire and brimstone" sort of Christian--which I think could alienate some Democrats and independents. I think that out of all of the Republican or Democratic candidates, Huck could best unify the country and end the awful polarization. Anyway, I just don't see how we can win the war on terror if we remain so divided and at each other's throats. I guess I'm a proud Huckabot, just like I'm a proud RS member. :-)
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I should have said, "With all due respect,"...
Now that the socon vote is split three ways, it's even more likely that Guiliani will be elected, although that's fine with me.