The Feminization of the American male

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If popular culture in the United States is to be believed, we are now a country of tough females and weenie males. A gradual emasculation of the American male has been under way for quite some time now, accelerated by things such as the aggressive branding of overactive boys as "ADHD" and the subsequent over-drugging with Ritalin, etc, or through the way the media and culture portrays the male.

Salvo Magazine has run a very interesting article titled "Girly Men - The Media's Attack on Masculinity". In the article, author S.T. Karnick points out how not only has "femininity become the human norm", but "women have become the new men" (quoting from a Salon article). Karnick points out how popular culture is replete with examples of wimpy males and that even the toughest of the tough guys must somehow be shown to have a "feminine side."

Even roughnecks such as these, however, are subject to cultural education into the joys of femininity. The hero of the movie The Game Plan, an NFL quarterback played by hyper-muscular Duane "The Rock” Johnson, is narcissistic, arrogant, egotistical, and selfish—both on the field and off. Only after dancing in a ballet and being reeducated by his 8-year-old daughter, his sister-in-law, and the daughter’s dance teacher does he finally win a Super Bowl ring. In today’s culture, women even make the best football coaches.

As I read the article, I had to admit that I am hard-pressed to come up with a male figure on TV that possesses strong (traditional) male characteristics and who isn't some sort of bombastic oaf who is all tough and no brains. Where are the Ward Cleavers, Mike Bradys, Cliff Huxtables who used to populate TV? I guess the closest thing I could come up with is the dude from CSI, but even he is often portrayed as somewhat wimpy. I loved Karnick's portrayal of the current crop of TV males:

Thus, the war against boys seems to have created three main character patterns for the adult male of our time: sensitive guys who want to please women; weenies and dorks who want only to be left alone to drink beer and play video games with their dork buddies; and thugs who, in rebellion against their unnatural education, are perpetually concerned with proving their toughness through increasingly loutish behavior. There are, of course, examples of decent, positively masculine males in the culture, but they are becoming increasingly overwhelmed by the products of educational and cultural feminization.

To tie this to the 2008 election: I think the Barack Obama/John McCain dichotomy is a classic example of this - a guy who seems to be in touch with his feminine side (BHO) versus an older guy who is being painted by the MSM as another brainless cowboy like George W Bush. And the conditioning that has been applied through popular culture will simply reinforce these stereotypes. Since the current hero of TV is the feminized male, Barack should fit in quite nicely.

UPDATE: This must be the topic du jour. I just ran across this interview on NRO with Kathleen Parker that covers much of the same territory.

me they were ADHD or ADD I cannot remember now...but having volunteered in the nurses office I saw how many kids were taking drugs for these "disorders" and I told them they were crazy that my sons were boys period....they never took any drugs and they are fine young men today....and there is nothing feminine about these young MEN....

It really comes down to the way parents raise their sons not what the schools do to them.

Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom from Religion

Our little boy will be entering Kindergarten soon after having been entered and withdrawn from 2 pre-K programs for the same behaviors you refer to. We got the sense that the teachers were cherry-picking kids to be perfect little automatons. We met with a K teacher who told us straight up that our little angel would have to sit for 2 hours at a time for phonics reading.

I can't sit for 2 hours now, and I doubt a 5 year old can - or should.

Our public school system is an abomination. It is one of those things that people 100 years will look back on and shake their heads thinking, "how could they LIVE with that?"

Kind of like outhouses.

Meanwhile I fully expect my little boy to either become an entrepreneur, win an Olympic Gold Medal, be a brain surgeon or become a master jewel thief. Whatever he chooses he'll be a big success, which is wonderful.

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Adderrall when they grow up. That's the plan.

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the whole thing up nicely:

"When you see a deer
You see Bambi
And I see antlers up on the wall
When you see a lake
You think picnics
And I see a large mouth up under that log
You’re probably thinkin' that you’re gonna change me
In some ways well, maybe you might
Scrub me down, dress me up
Oh, but no matter what
Remember, I’m still a guy

When you see a priceless French painting
I see a drunk naked girl
You think that ridin' a wild bull sounds crazy
And I’d like to give it a whirl
Well, love makes a man do some things he ain’t proud of
And in a weak moment I might
Walk your sissy dog
Hold your purse at the mall
But remember, I’m still a guy

And I’ll pour out my heart
Hold your hand in the car
Write a love song that makes you cry
Then turn right around
Knock some jerk to the ground
‘Cause he copped a feel as you walked by

I can hear you now talkin' to your friends
Sayin' yeah girls he’s come a long way
From draggin' his knuckles and carryin' a club
And buildin' a fire in a cave
But when you say a backrub means only a backrub
Then you swat my hand when I try
Well now what can I say at the end of the day
Honey, I’m still a guy

And I’ll pour out my heart
Hold your hand in the car
Write a love song that makes you cry
Then turn right around
Knock some jerk to the ground
‘Cause he copped a feel as you walked by

These days there’s dudes gettin' facials
Manicured, waxed, and botoxed
But with deep spray on tans and creamy lotioney hands
You cain’t grip a tackle box
Yeah, with all of these men linin' up to get neutered
It’s hip now to be feminized
But, I don’t highlight my hair
I’ve still got a pair
Yeah, honey I’m still a guy

Oh, my eyebrows ain’t plucked
Theres a gun in my truck
Oh Thank God, I’m still a guy
Yeah boy"

That about says it!

In Vino Veritas

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

But at least now I know where to find the words so I can memorize the song for karaoke night...

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

"
I'm a guy
But I can change
If I have to
I guess
"

This, of course, comes from that bastion of male stength, Public Televistion (by way of the CBC, no less).
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We've had this discussion many times at my house. I've wanted to blog on the subject, but you've done a nice job here.

I've commented here at RedState before about when I banned the kids' book series "The Berenstain Bears" from my house, probably 15 years ago. My girls had 30-40 books in the series, and I've read them all aloud. Every single one featured the bumbling, oafish, character-flawed "Dad" bear being bailed out of a jam by clever Brother & Sister bear and a wise and in-control "Mom" bear.

A glaring, and surprising, current example is "The Dog Whisperer" on the National Geographic Channel. At first glance, it shows how animal behaviorist Cesar Milan teaches badly-behaviored dogs to be more sociable. After watching a couple of episodes, one realizes that instead of training the dogs, Milan actually focuses on training their owners. Dog behavior is very predictable and pack-oriented; in the presence of a "pack leader" they almost always defer to that authority. Dog owners on the show have to be shown how to project a positive, in-control energy around their pets, rather than treating them like children or pals.

I have a daughter who's attending one of the former Seven Sisters schools back east (very liberal and very feminist) - we have also noticed when we visit that the entire area (not just the campus) seems to have a palpable lack of testosterone, even when there are plenty of men around.

I don't know if this neutering of the male has been a conscious objective, but it's for sure a result of the current political culture.

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa

He teaches men how to be men while pretending to teach people how to control their pets. I just can't stand his customers. They're, every last one of them, pussies.

BTW, he has a website and you can pose questions or ask for advice with your dogs there.

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

I have found it's hard to lie to others when you refuse to lie to yourself.

It's when I'm silent that you should wonder.

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

...the leadership vacuum in those homes must drive kids nuts, too.

I agree on the P word, but we're not allowed to use it in the Lower 48 anymore.

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa

If it pisses them off enough to take a swing, my putting them in the hospital is self-defense...

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

Competitive dog training people (I am one: have been in dogs for over 20 years) get sick to their stomach watching his garbage, and listening to people say how good he is. He is using brutal, debunked, "pack behavior" methods that were in vogue over 30 years ago. He has just parlayed this "dog training" into a good way to make money. If you really want to learn how to train a dog and not have it scared and untrustful of you (or other animals, for that matter) look into some of the positive reinforcement methods that have been developed in the last 15-20 years. The ASPCA needs to pressure Discovery or National Geographic, or whatever network has fallen for this crap, to get him off the air and put on some real trainers with credentials. /rant off... (sorry, I just cannot help it...)

Furious activity is no substitute for understanding.
-- H. H. Williams

Bitte?

If the ASPCA and dog community are as mad at Cesar as you imply, surely they've posted their objections to his methods, in detail, somewhere?

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)

The ASPCA isn't a terrorist organization. Other than that, they're as stupid and wrong as each other.

Try the AKC. Try those who run kennels and/or (they usually go hand in hand) train for comformation, obedience, rally, agility, water, hunting or any other animal activity (this also extends into horses and other performance animals. Hell, even people). Pack training is bloody near 100% successful. Just look around. What are people saying is America's #1 problem?
I could have sworn it was a lack of a pack leader...

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

I am in dog training. Have been my whole life. Both conformation and agility. And the same training methods I use on my Keeshonden now worked on my chows when my family had a chow kennel. Believe me, when you don't have a definitive pack leader, chows are completely unmanageable. Furthermore, the same techniques used on the chows my mother learned working with horses and cattle both on a farm and later in a public stable.

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

It helps to spell it correctly instead of L337ly.

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

feminine side under the bus if he has to Like his grandmother.

Regarding: "As I read the article, I had to admit that I am hard-pressed to come up with a male figure on TV that possesses strong (traditional) male characteristics and who isn't some sort of bombastic oaf who is all tough and no brains." - Michael Westen of USA's Burn Notice. He may be a bit oafish, but Vick Mackey of The Shield is not in touch with his feminine side.

Fortuna Favet Fortibus

I can't think of anyone else on tv that I'm familiar with without resorting to animes or old shows like B5 and Classic Trek and MacGuyver (I don't watch Stargate, SG-1, was the Col still MacGuyver-ish?).

It's especially bad in Cartoons. I'm thinking Family Guy and Futurama and The Simpsons and Kim Possible and Buzz Lightyear (though this is probably the least offender of the list).

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

Check out Richard Rahal in Terry Goodkind's books

That dude is such a distasteful goody-two-shoes that it frankly sickens me. He's basically a female's version of the Perfect Man.

For a far more reasonable masculine fictional character from fantasy, may I recommend one of the following:

1. Eddard Stark, Lord of Wintefell
2. Jon Snow, bastard son of Eddard Stark
3. Tyrion Lannister (yes, Tyrion, actually)
4. Uhtred of Bebbanburg (historical fiction from the great Bernard Cromwell's Saxon series)

:)

What I find somewhat interesting is that in non-fiction, there still are a number of masculine men who do not fit one of the three Templates. For example,

Dick Cheney
Don Rumsfeld
Gen. Peter Pace
George W. Bush

None of those dudes look like they're particularly in touch with their feminine side, and none of them gave off the dorky, wimpy, or oafish air. All of them (well, except maybe Rummy) strike me as the kind of guy you could hang out and have a beer with while watching a football game without having the conversation head into the gutter.

-TS

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His politics may suck, but GRRM can write ...


"First you win the argument, then you win the vote." - MARGARET THATCHER.
So let's start winning the argument.

Being male doesn't mean being a cowboy or a badass. It means standing firm in your convictions and using logic rather than emotion to come to your opinions. It means being willing to disagree and even fight and shed blood confronting wrong and defending right. It means seeking truth rather than consensus on important issues. Lord Rahal fits these charactaristics as well as anyone in modern literature. Bush fits this discription well also--it will be interesting what history makes of him. I imagine he'll be remembered much more kindly in the long term than the short.

As far as the following political figures I'd tend to agree, but havn't followed their careers closely enough to say for sure
Dick Cheney
Don Rumsfeld
Gen. Peter Pace

And in a recent movie I'd have to say 3:10 to Yuma has a few good male characters.

Ted Stevens (whether you like him or not, he's no pussy)
George Allen (or at least he was before 2006)
Joe Lieberman
locally: John Eichelberger

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

If we're going to go with literature, there's no school like the old school: Jack Aubrey.

Fortuna Favet Fortibus

Her son is somewhat shy and not a very rough and tumble kid to start with, but when the school wanted to dope him up because he was restless in school I told her to tell them to screw themselves.

She hadn't been around a lot of kids before, so didn't know and actually trusted those bureaucrats to think of her son first. I told her he was perfectly normal and to leave him the *** alone.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

That's a good show.

...and the weaklings in the school systems are over-prescribing that neuter-juice way too often.


"First you win the argument, then you win the vote." - MARGARET THATCHER.
So let's start winning the argument.

...your a good aunt, itry!

...many Hillary Clinton supporters feel Obama is sexist because of his "swaggering male arrogance" and "sweetie" comments.

And, actually, I don't see how Obama is feminine in the slightest. He seems like kind of a "cowboy" himself, and his campaign character is sort of this prototype wise frontier idealistic man as opposed to some caricature of an over-sensitive woman. McCain is hardly being portrayed as a cowboy, I have even less of an idea where you're getting that from. I think you're transposing the usual common wisdom of the Democrats as the "feminine" party -- and Bush's Republicans as the cowboy "male" party -- over the race without much in the way of supporting evidence or casting your mental nets too wide.

Anyway, you do a bad job of proving your base assumptions, in my opinion.

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That's why his why and Oprah are doing the heavy lifting in his campaign...

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

...you don't do your side proud being five or six months late as you are on that reference. And not even approaching the argument at hand to boot. C'mon. I'm a well-known good-faith devil's advocate around here, it's not going to benefit anyone to offer such a lame response, especially when there's an actual discussion to be had and enjoyed (and possibly even WON by your side).

A useless hack-attack. Try again.

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...but neither do I.

I merely know how nice it is to be reasonable. Cool, cool breeze on my soul, I tell you.

But, more to the point, what are you talking about? Either responses are for responding to a comment's substance, or not. I don't know what commenting is for if not actually going back and forth, linearly, and figuring stuff out.

If it's just a matter of taking the first available alleyway into a cliched insult there's really no point at all.

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..you're right. You're the cool breeze of reason, with the lofty soul. What you see in Obama must be the way others see it, and if they don't they're just not frickin' linear enough for you.

Why on earth would anyone want to go back and forth with you on anything? You're not looking for synthesis but agreement with you -- just like your he-man Obama. And when others don't play your way, you pull out some snide-ass remark that serves zero purpose but making yourself feel holier-than-thou. But as long as you can announce that you're the "good-faith devil's advocate around here" then arrogantly dismisss someone by saying their comment is a "lame response," you're sure to feed your overactive ego and feel better about yourself for the evening -- which is really your goal and game here, isnt' it? Your not fair, linear, reasonable, or breezy -- from what I've read in this thread, your just insecure and self-serving.

...everyone but you knows that I'm not the kind of poster who you try to corner me as being. Try harder, maybe? Delve into my RedState comments and post a hit diary against me or something. I'm not a bad-faith poster, I'm not a hallucinating devotee of Obama.

Just to be frank and completely egotistical, I'm good for Redstate. Even as I argue with founding members and longtime posters, I'm salutary because I think there's a lot of worth in conservative ideas and yet sometimes offer my (yes, occasionally ignorant) disagreements. I honestly wouldn't post here if I didn't think that were true.

If you, and various other new posters, can't appreciate that then please, PLEASE, take your time and work your butts off framing me as an idiotic troll, but you'd be better off doing something else.

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Is he new?

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

but not in a long time. He was on earlier tonight, talking about bicycling and the dearth of idealism in the major parties, among other things. Gengisdon seems like a good guy, too. He was pretty honest about why Obama supporters need to be careful after getting through the contest with Hillary.

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How did my comment on the way you arrogantly dismissed how others comment in this thread via your ego get turned into a "troll" and "how good you are for RedState?" I never said anything of the sort. You just chose to comment to your own fabricated nonsense.

what facts did you present in support of the conclusion?

You state your feelings, and when others disagree, you tell them to get substantive?

There is nothing about Obama that makes me think of a cowboy.

NOTHING.

A cowboy would have argued with Rev. Wright.
A cowboy would not eat exclusively organic foods from Whole Foods until the Presidential campaign.
A cowboy wouldn't get a house from Rezco, because he wouldn't want to be beholden to anyone else.

I don't know about you, but every time I see those ears, I think of Howdy Doody. He was a cowboy, wasn't he?
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Or are you just dense?

This is the second time you've tried to dismiss my comments out of hand just tonight.

The OP's argument: "Obama vs McCain is a perfect example of the feminization of American men vs good old manliness."

You: "Obama certainly seems manly to me..."

Me: "Uh-huh. You didn't watch the primary, did you?"

In truth, I am not certain of Oprah's current role in his campaign, now that he has switched over to General Election mode, nor have I heard anything of her since Wright. However, Michelle Obama is still out there doing a heavy speaking tour. Which, honestly, isn't a bad thing in terms of his masculinity. It's the fact that he's hiding behind her skirts. You can't say anything against her because that's racist And sexist. Which shields him from being attacked for her statements.

Or did you miss the "Don't attack my wife," press conference?

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

and would rightfully expect Obama to stand on his own now that he's over the top in the nomination process.

Having said that, I doubt if she'll have terrorism as a topic on her show again, as she did that time in 2004.

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His wife insults him in public. Michelle told the world that he stinks in the bed in the morning. She said that.

She is the reason he STAYED in that vile church. He chose it in his youthful ignorance. She fell for all that hate.

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sexist is, unless its women that think they didn't need man after the coke bottle and hydraulic jack were invented, and I certainly don't hold his use of what we in the South call, endearing molasses greetings and salutations, but

he is part feminIZED. Witness how his wife acts the fool in public and insults him. She in JEALOUS of him. And he abides it. Wives get that way OVER TIME for a reason.

I feel sorry for him as man.

unlike him, I got divorced and just accepted that the good ole days of mail order south koreans was over once Oprah got popular. Now, hey get off the boat and after 3 episodes they speak flawless english and hate men.

Whites and Blacks went sour long before that.

I'm half kidding.

AND ONLY HALF.

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...this is a weird comment. I'll take your half-kidding and run with that.

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Though I think it's funny as well as weird. But then, I've always been attracted to the weird...

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it will be him, not her, that throws ashtrays.

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"You don't love me like you used to!"
"Baby! It's not that I don't love you like I used to, it's that, for the first time in my married life, I'm actually proud of my husband..."

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

we.

male - strong
female - weak
female needs one male to protect here from rape and to provide for her and children

civilization happens

technology happens

woman thinks that all men were needed for were his muscles

thinks coke bottle and hydraulic jack replace all but the occasional insertion of sperm

Men are cool with the free sex and variety

women slow to learn that men'aggresiveness and discipline are valuable in raising non-wild animals and detering enemies

getting it now? Or are you guys just young or lazy and so just throw hands up and spit "weird"

(I recognize my own complicity in the feminization. I let a chick pick up a tab last week at the bar.)

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than my post below. When you wake up, the World moves under your feet. I stand in awe.

In Vino Veritas

It was when you went off on Korean mail order that it started to get weird. Besides, it was late and I was having a hard time comprehending due to lack of sleep and odd sentence structure and arrangement compared to what I've grown accustomed to around here...

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

you'll remember the routine that led into, "Eddie...what have you done for me lately?"

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especially male children, that is at the heart of it. I know how un-PC it is to say this, but the young male of the human species simply doesn't respect anything or anyone that he doesn't fear. And boys don't fear the modern mommy who can't bring herself to discipline her child and can't bear to let a man do it. This is especially problematic in the so-called blended family. I see boys who are outright abusive to their mothers and sometimes even to their fathers or, especially, stepfathers. I see boys who are devious, dishonest manipulators to their mothers, telling her things that no sensible person would believe, but since the modern mommy cannot stand a confrontation with her baby, she lets him get away with it.

My step kids wouldn't dare cross me if it were just me they were dealing with, but if their mother was around, the court of appeals was in session and she'd fall for the most outrageous stories. I finally accepted that she was not going to raise those boys and wasn't going to let me, so unless it directly involved me, I did my best to not care what they did. Even with that, I came to blows with both of them during their teenaged years and left my wife for some time after a confrontation with one of them. Every man I know who has taken on step kids has had similar experiences as have most who are in a biological family. The girls see how the boys behave and the things they get away with and become manipulators as well, an easy path for girls anyway. Some become just as agressive and violent as the boys, as witnessed by all the "girl fight" videos out there these days.

I'm with GC on the not kidding half. An old guy I once knew said of his marriage, "I wouldn't take a million dollars for my wife, but I wouldn't give you two cents for another one." I love my wife and now with the kids mostly gone, we get along pretty well, at least as long as we give each other some space, but if one of my friends were to come to me and tell me he was getting serious with a divorcee that had kids, I'd tell him to sleep with her one more time for old times' sake and run like Hell.

In the later years of my career, I was surrounded by women and eunuchs; men who act like men are being agressively hounded out of government. Most of my subordinates were women because, frankly, I couldn't stand most of the surly young punks right out of law school who on their first day at work thought I should give them the best office, a big raise, and move over so they could run things. The women were bright, agressive, and some quite attractive. I'd hate like Hell to know I had to spend more than the eight hours a day I was being paid to spend with them and a lot of the time it was hard to spend that eight hours. If they weren't fighting with each other they were fighting with me, and when one started fighting with me, they all joined the fight on her side, notwithstanding the fact that they had been fighting with her to cause me to be fighting with her. Devious, manipulative, backbiting, and many given to the "horizontal career move." I had several over the years that everytime I was around them, I felt like they were going to try to trip me and beat me to the ground. I'm no saint, but the one thing I'd never do nor put up with anyone else doing was getting your honey where you get your money, and I was well known to be pretty judgemental about that, but it didn't stop them from trying.

So, yes, a lot of men are becoming feminized or adopting that ambiguous metrosexual demeanor, and if you're going to get along with the bulk of women, whether in your personal life, the workplace, or running for office, I think you have to. But a lot of men won't do it, and I see prostitution as a real growth industry over they next years. Some things are best rented.

In Vino Veritas

nothing but the GC's honest while chicken truth!

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Several years from now, when our circumnavigation lands us in Alaska, I will have to look you up and buy you a drink.

Fortuna Favet Fortibus

I'm easy to find, but if it's winter, I might not be here. Getting too old for Alaska winters.

In Vino Veritas

I will have a tough enough time getting the wife and family into the high latitudes as is. Ain't gonna happen in the winter time.

Fortuna Favet Fortibus

To cultivate the image that lets you get away with being a man and, more importantly, being yourself around anyone these days. And it turns a lot of people off at first. My first line of defense and attack is always brutal, blunt honesty.

As for wives not letting husbands discipline their children (or dogs), it's the men who let their wives get away with preventing them from disciplining. It's often a value for cost deal. You said yourself that it wasn't worth the cost of the confrontations with your wife to do it. In my case, I took the opposite approach. Granted, it's just been with our dogs so far, as we have no kids (yet), but it always starts small. I made it clear from the beginning that I am a big proponent of the "Beat them till they figure it out" school of training. I found out through personal experience as both student and teacher that it's the ONLY 100% guaranteed teaching method.
Having dogs before kids has also made it easier for me to control my household. Just had to frame it in terms of "I and no one else, is pack leader in MY house!"
Turns out she's a Really good XO, though it does have it's downsides...

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

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let's talk about it when you have some teenagers in the house. And maybe it does work out better in first marriages and with biological parents. God knows Wife 1.0 and I had enough problems, but they never were about gender roles as they related to raising the kid, or managing the pets. But she was also of a different generation than Wife 2.0. And let me know about that "beat them til they get it" method if you send your child(ren) to public school. The teachers start telling them how abused they are and about their "rights" before they can read those rights and even the dumbest kid can figure out how to play that game. First time you don't let Johnny go to the R-rated move or buy the X-Box game he wants, he's gonna have a chat with dear teacher about how cruel and abusive you are and you're going to spend some quality time with the Kid Nazis.

In Vino Veritas

Often go hand in hand. We'll have to see how it goes.

But as for trouble with my wife, well, it helps to mail order from Vietnam... :)

"Always be honest with yourself. Even if you are honest with no one else."
--me

publicly expressed great expectations will cause the cock to freeze. Its 90 degrees down here.

Plus, if I actually get some legal fees in and hence, deem it necessary to celebrate same with Southern Comfort Whiskey Sours (plus Braves win over Angels, Tiger Woods on the prowl, and SEC/ACC domination of CWS, and various and sundry other things), it will be a nirvana type experience for all those that don't end up in the fetal position in the corner for having tried to resist logic from the roost.

Of course, the already atrocious spelling (see hobgoblin of puny minds) could deteriorate as evening approaches (not to mention wee hours of the Ides of June morn).

Consult Huck Hound's cuz, de lawd Vegas for translations.

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"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson

A TIME FOR MANHOOD

By DUNCAN MAXWELL ANDERSON

August 11, 2004 -- THIS November's election is about
something everyone is thinking about, and almost no
one is talking about. Words like "national security"
are fig-leaves for the real subject: manhood.
Why does manhood matter? Because we're at war. What
kind of leader do you want when armed lunatics are
trying to kill you and your family? Do you need a
master of nuance or a leader of men? Do you want Alan
Alda or Braveheart? (Hmm. Let me think.)

You might wonder why the recent Democratic convention
was the gaudiest display of militarism and macho talk
since the Berlin Olympics of 1936 — this, from the
party that successfully ran a draft-dodger for
president twice, and which won't fund a candidate who
doesn't bow to the feminist abortion-god.

I'll tell you why. Everyone in the United States knows
what time it is: It's after 9/11.

The 9/11 attacks have precipitated a crisis of manhood
that is shaking our society to its roots. But for so
many years, we have been so entangled in the delicate
sensibilities of feminism that we can't even put our
confusion into words.

To state the crushingly obvious, war is a male thing.
Even when directed by the occasional Maggie Thatcher
or Joan of Arc, war is fought by men's rules, by men.
At the same time, not all men are enthusiastic
warriors; in peacetime, for the sake of civilization,
there is a need for men who are contemplatives,
diplomats, artists and even complainers.

Martial men are always eager to believe it's time for
action, that the enemy is at the gates. It can make
them seem crude and scary. But on 9/11, it was
suddenly obvious that the everyday heroism of
soldiers, firemen and cops was indispensable.

Meanwhile, the stock of intellectuals goes down in a
life-or-death crisis, especially for those who weren't
that brilliant to begin with. Some men claim the
status of artists simply because they don't know how
to change a tire. Men from the arty class can become
parasites, making their try for greatness simply by
throwing muck at men who are truly great.

For some reason, that makes me think of Michael Moore.
If his latest movie — which perhaps should be entitled
"Paranoid 9/11" — were truthful, no one would go see
it. Its appeal is that it's deliciously false. It's
the revenge of the weenies like Moore, who resent the
new importance of masculine men like George W. Bush.
Moore's audiences want to believe that the Arab jihad
against us isn't real, so they can force the rest of
us to read their lousy poetry.

Hoping for votes from normal people as well, John
"Botox" Kerry has been trying to recast himself as a
he-man. Kerry served in Vietnam 35 years ago, as you
may have heard him say once or twice. But now the new
book by Vietnam swift boat officer John O'Neill,
"Unfit for Command," suggests that the recent
bunny-suit image of Kerry at NASA was not far off.
Testimony by Kerry's mates and commanding officers
describes him as a timorous whiner who lied his way to
several combat medals.

Some of the first heroes of post-9/11 America had no
medals or military records. They were ordinary guys
catching an early flight to San Francisco. As the 9/11
commission report definitively concludes, early
stories about heroism on board doomed United Flight 93
on 9/11 (often pooh-poohed as comforting fairy tales
in the mainstream press) were correct.

Black box recordings prove that at 9:57 a.m., a
contingent of passengers "overwhelmed" (i.e., killed)
the hijackers in Flight 93's cabin and bashed their
way into the cockpit of the plane, which was being
piloted toward Washington by the two surviving
hijackers. As they were being overcome, the jihad
"pilots" ditched the plane in a field in Shanksville,
Pa., rather than die fighting.

The fighter jets sent up to defend Washington did not
know Flight 93 was approaching, and could not have
stopped it. The last line of defense was that group of
strangers — ordinary Americans who counterattacked
against their enemies and destroyed them.

For these times, in place of Kerry's limp salute and
tedious 55-minute acceptance speech, I prefer Bush's
terser words, on the phone to Vice President Dick
Cheney on Sept. 11, 2001, on his way to the airport:
"I heard about the Pentagon. We're at war. Somebody's
gonna pay."

Bush's directness reminds me of Jeremy Glick, the
225-pound judo champion who called home from Flight 93
on his cell phone to say goodbye and explain what was
about to happen: "The men voted to attack the
terrorists."

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From many accounts I've read, George W Bush is one of the best examples of what a man should be....tough when needed, strong in faith, a loving father, but not wimpy. We may not agree with all of his politics, but he has lead the country in its greatest time of need and showed just the right amount of toughness and gentleness.


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There's a classic book by Christina Sommers you might enjoy, "The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism is Harming Our Young Men". Very controversial and interesting.

Sommers has claimed in other books that feminism has been hyjacked by extremists who just want politcial power and grant money.

also references that book. Sounds like a good one...I'll have to put it on my Amazon wish list.


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If chicks started... I don't know what the proper term for this board would be... let's use "rewarding" the stereotypically masculine ones, society would find that it has a lot more stereotypically masculine guys.

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire

at least initially many are more interested in shoulders or buns than brains or money, but as soon as the hook is set, the "I can change him" starts as in the song I quoted above.In Vino Veritas

Once the beast has two backs, there ain't gonna be no more changing. It's been this way for as long as there has been an oral tradition of history.

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire

They can't and men don't

Men marry women thinking they won't change.
They do.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

at least initially many are more interested in shoulders or buns than brains or money, but as soon as the hook is set, the "I can change him" starts as in the song I quoted above.In Vino Veritas

There's another good reason that waifish, lilting guys are in fashion right now, and it's very much connected to the reason that waifish, starving women have been in fashion for much of the past fifteen years: homosexuals love the androgyne.

Check out the models at American Apparel some time. AmEp considers itself to be on the cutting edge of American Proletarian fashion, and these bois are the boy-toy fantasy of their designers and photogs.

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I used to have nasty arguments about this with my psychologist (anorexic, bulimic) girlfriend, who was convinced that society was causing her to be anorexic and bulimic, and therefore she was anorexic and bulimic. Except that her version was that it was the patriarchy that caused her self-inflicted pain. Actually, it was the gays in the fashion industry who wanted their models essentially to be automatonic stick figures for their drapery, and also to look like the kind of thing they might want to sleep with.

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Too many Americans forget that citizenship empowers the individual.

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Lemme see if I can find it...

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire

One of the best single lines Kurt Vonnegut ever wrote was:

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be."

And I've been a warrior and a particpant in the nature/nurture/society wars for more than a decade and a half and there is truth on all three or four or six sides of it. And that truth is as fine-grained as the individual, alas.

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I wonder if she would include B. Hussein Obama in that "patriarchy." He claims we can't keep eating so much.

representatives here at RS. Many in the gay community work hard, want to be left alone and don't like being overtaxed any more than the rest of us. The old-school types I've known over the years have been particularly libertarian in these ways.

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First of all, fat people don't look good in advertising. I know, and that's why I'm not in ads. Second thing is that the tastes of the fashion industry particularly in liberal Democratic circles have trended toward the waifish and androgyne because the designers are gay, and they like the "thin reed" boys and the anorexic tomboy girls. If people want to know why they see the images, that's why.

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and I know they're all fired for turning 30.

I wanted to check out "She's Got the Look" on TV Land but I forgot all about it when it premiered.

Speaking of waifish androgyny, did you ever see the movie, "Liquid Sky?"

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I didn't have to. The love of my first life was an anorexic, bulimic psychology grad student with a BFA in ballet. I lived it every day, including the laxatives and the puking. I spent a lot of money and a lot of time trying to break her out of what I understand to be a self-imposed prison, but eventually I got tired of trying, after a lot of years and a lot of money.

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It's an 80's sci-fi B-movie but it's also the best portrayal on film of the early 80's New Wave scene in NYC. And it's kind of funny. The main plot is a tiny alien who feeds off people's endorphins, both from heroin use and orgasm. Not a kids' movie but fun if you remember the times. The lead actress plays both a girl character and a gay boy model.

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Someday we'll have to have a beverage together and discuss. In any case her sense of fashion was highly attuned -- probably too highly attuned, as were most of her other senses, and she wasn't as susceptible to the patriarchy (which as far as I can tell never did her any harm) as she was to the things that went on inside her head.

In any case, I don't hate homosexuals, but I do think that there is a legitimiate gripe about straight guys being pushed androgyne and I don't think it's healthy or necessary. And when you start to talk about what happens to women it gets even worse, but the responsibility for that should fall on the people making the images based on their tastes that they hope to encourage others to agree with, not the other way around. There should be more designers who know how to photograph and dress Straight Guys, but the problem is that I think they don't because the tastemakers don't find them, er, interesting.

Nevertheless, they're always going to be 93-100% of the population (depending on whose figures you believe), so they should try a little harder.

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is the women. So many of them are intelligent, beautiful and on a balanced diet. I want to do what I can to help them influence western women.

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Robin Williams was probably the only person who could ever play a hairy gay man and carry it off so well.

But I'm not castigating gays, I'm saying that their tastes differ, and that they drive the fashion industry, so it's not much of a surprise that their "ideals" show up more often in their advertising.

I found this out when a friend's neighbor came over and bragged about his personal ad getting printed. That was one of those times when I just had to nod my head and say "that's nice."

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I lived in BoysTown in Chicago for many years and I know about the scene from the perspective of an outsider looking in.

What was distressing to me and continues to be is that so many liberal women that I care about don't seem to realize what's going on. A few years ago, one of my wealthier aunts had a facelift for her 60th birthday and I have to tell you that I was afraid to hug her because I was seriously worried that her skin had been stretched so much that she might burst at the seams. Her husband is a big Liberal and she's a big Philanthropic Liberal and this is the fashion in those echelons: it's exactly what Camille Paglia described when she talked about the ideals of beauty. Except that her body modifications cost something like $20,000 and frankly I think she looked better before they were done.

At some point, a historian of the future will look back on the late-20th Century haute-liberals and talk about all this nonsense frankly.

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Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa

the use of The Game Plan, starring Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson by the original writer S.T. Karnick as an example that in the media "even the toughest of the tough guys must somehow be shown to have a "feminine side" is wrong.

First, its a comedy. It is not new nor unusual for comic effect to be achieved by having a lead character act in a way that differs greatly from previous roles.

Second, the part about the ballet dancing is incidental and the Rock's team is moving along easily to the championship throughout the movie (ballet or not).

Third, the real story and lesson of the movie, is not some nonsense feminization of the Rock's character because he does some ballet dancing (which by the way, has been used by professional football players in the past to help improve their play), it is about a self-absorbed, irresponsible (he takes his eight year old daughter to a bar and leaves without her), gigantic ego football player (his entire apartment is filled with photos of himself and he is always watching replays of his games) whose life is really only about "hurray for me and to heck with you."

Without going into a complete review of the entire movie, it is during the course of the movie that his character develops from the irresponsible "boy" he had been (his daughter came from a fling he had years before) to a responsible, adult and father. In other words, he becomes a man.

By the way, I agree generally with the subject of the post but that example noted is a poor one and the writer certainly could have found one better.

Is anyone really that surprised by feminization of American men? I don't think they should be, because there weren't many positive alternatives presented in pop. culture. For many years Homer Simpson was the country's preeminent cartoon father figure, and during that time the TV ads took a lot of pleasure in demonstrating the fecklessness and incompetence of males in general. One of my (conservative) uncles and his (conservative) wife forbade their young children from watching The Simpsons when it became a phenomenon, because they (correctly) viewed it as subversive and vulgar, and a relentlessly backhanded portrayal of fatherhood.

Their kids watched The Cosby Show instead.

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And I'm very happy, and count myself as extremely fortunate to remember this Father's Day, that my own father never tried to "live down" to those portrayals. When I reminisce about my 37+ years of life and do an accounting of the people who made a positive difference in it -- who taught me something about character and integrity -- I thank my lucky stars that I can proudly count my Dad as #1 in the Top Five.

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What happened to the Rennisance man. The man who could engeneer a bridge, fix a car, write a biography, play an instrument, and kick your ass all at the same time??

It seems like today men are either portrayed as dead beat incompetant lazy beer drinkers, or are so Metrosexual they could be confused for a Will and Grace character. It's either HomerSimpson and King of Queens or Queer Eye.

Being a man dosn't mean beinga neanderthal. It also doesn't mean being a woman with a penis. We need some Rennisance men as TV rolemodels.

This became painfully apparent to me as I was shopping for Father's Day cards last week. They were either disrespectful "hey fat guy have fun drinking beer and scratching" cards, or were sunset scenes that could be mistaken for mother's day cards.

 
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