How The Left Really Feels About Veterans Day

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From Daily Kos:

Its time to be done with the ridiculous idea that there are some sort of politically neutral expressions of "patriotism." Patriotism is a consciously cultivated mindset intended to secure popular consent for military actions that might otherwise be unpopular. The US is a hyper-patriotic country because it is an imperialist country that is constantly engaged in foreign adventures that defend corporate profitability but that waste precious lives of American servicemembers.

The American Legion and VFW are, first and foremost, lobbies for militarism. Veterans Day is essentially an annual exercise in the cynical manipulation of the grief that war brings into our lives in order to secure support for ongoing and future wars by wrapping the whole enterprise in the bullshit rhetoric of "military honor."

The exclusion of IVAW, VfP and MFSO just rips away the fraudulent veil that conceals the real purpose of this whole celebration.

I understand that veterans and their families have a desire to have their service publicly honored. But this whole framing perpetuates all sorts of untruths about the nature of America's role in the world, the role of the military in particular, and the question of who profits and who pays and why. When Viet Nam Vets Against the War threw their medals away on the steps of the capitol it was not just a strident spasm of extremis, it was a recognition of the insidious role of all this ritual of honoring participation in mass murder for profit and the aggrandizement of power that is war. They understood that so long as the veneer of honor remained attached to the exercise in mass criminality that was the war in Viet Nam, that the war would continue. Too many progressives have been fooled by lies about protesters spitting on vets into thinking that the less on of that era is that we need to fall all over ourselves proving our patriotism. The real less on is that the anti-war movement so fundamentally challenged the legitimacy of the war machine that they had to construct an elaborate lie about us in order to restore it.

Uncomfortable as it may make some feel to hear it, there is nothing honorable about following orders that shouldn't have been given or fighting in wars that shouldn't have been fought. Loyalty to governments that don't deserve it should not be celebrated. It is time to shift our frame and begin to honor those who RESIST imperial wars, whether they are soldiers or civilians.

You might be tempted to think these comments don't represent the views of everyone on the far-left, but you would be wrong. It's laughable when left-wingers claim they "support the troops," because nothing could be further from the truth.

I'm not talking about Democrats in general, I'm talking about the far-left which is slowly taking over the Democratic party. These people don't believe in fighting wars and think soldiers who fight in wars are murderers. The kind of vile, anti-American crap that you see above is the true feelings of the so-called "progressives" better known as the "nutroots."

What they really are is a bunch of despicable people that have no right to live here. They are a disgrace to everything our country stands for and I despise them.

-Chris Jones
The Hot Joints

 

That was very painful to read. I might disagree with your statement that these "despicable people have no right to live here," but it would only be a quibble, as I understand and completely agree with your sentiment.

The big question to me is why these despicable people would even want to live here?

-- digitalhap

I'm not talking about Democrats in general, I'm talking about the far-left which is slowly taking over the Democratic party. These people don't believe in fighting wars and think soldiers who fight in wars are murderers. The kind of vile, anti-American crap that you see above is the true feelings of the so-called "progressives" better known as the "nutroots."
well put

my feelings are If you dont cheer for the home team, get out of the stadium

As I read things like this, I now understand so much better why so many Vietnam vets became so messed up emotionally and for some mentally. Reading this bothers me personally, because I have been there, done that in Iraq.
I thank God, and my fellow Americans for the support I have recieved since returning.
A month or so ago I was at a gas station pumping gas. A friend of the family, a teenager was with me and was peppering me with questions about what it was like over there. Out of the blue, this lady came around the pump and asked if she had heard right that I had been in Iraq. I said that I had just returned. She thanked me over and over, and it really touched my heart.
The poor men and women returning from Vietnam were deluged with the crap like posted above about how much of a mistake it was, etc. Very few of them had moments like I have had of support and appreciation. Considering what one must do and be a part of to defend this country, being told it was a mistake or a lie can be devastating.
To my fellow veterans - This IS the GREATEST country in the history of the world. It is America's military that has kept it that way against all comers. Defending freedom is always commendable, if it isn't always pretty. God bless you and God bless the United States of America.

Thank you very much for your service. I can't think of anything as disgraceful as those who spit on Vietnam Vets, many of whom didn't choose to be there in the first place.

I just want everyone to realize that the sentiments expressed in that posting are not confined to a small minority. Places like San Francisco, Boulder Co, and many college campuses are generally hostile toward the military.

These are the same people who are disgusted by patriotism, wearing flag pins, and seek to ban recruiters on college campuses.

Whichever candidate these wingnuts support is automatically the candidate we should oppose.

Feed your brain at The Hot Joints

As a Vietnam Vet, what really upsets me is the enemy we fought in Vietnam has stated over and over, How vital the support of the American leftists was to their cause. Yet to this day we have posts like the ones quoted from Dkos above, glorifying the defeat of America in Vietnam, by a communist enemy, an enemy that was encouraged to keep killing us and keep striving to defeat America by American leftists led by John Kerry, Jane Fonda, Walter Cronkite and hundreds of thousands more.

And might I take this opportunity to offer great and abundant thanks from me to you for your service to America. This day and any day.

Now I want to say THIS time is different. Same lefty America-hating nuts, same commie national press, but this time MANY Americans "get it".

But a large percentage of Americans, MUCH larger than you might think....

(1) remember the lesson of Viet Nam -- that we cost America, Viet Nam, and our allies dearly by allowing America's left to drive us out with a job undone.

(2) are able, and willing, to get accurate news from Iraq (thank you Jeff Emanuel, Michael Yon, FNC sometimes), and the whole talk radio gang starting with Rush and Hannity.

(3) fundamentally love America and have some idea what the stakes are in the GWOT.

(4) know that the press and Democrats are lying.

So, take heart, my brother.

Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie

I generally don't like to characterize a group by one particular member, in this case its the exception. I have met more than enough lefties that share his views to say they are typical and phrased in as politically correct a form as he could manage.

My thanks to all the veterans and to two I never got the chance to thank.
______________________________
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I tend to shy away from condemning a group, because of the actions of a few. However, you can read the responses the writer received for that garbage. It has around 170+ responses and about 95% think it's one of the best diaries ever.

I also hear that crap expressed all the time from left-wingers, but when the cameras are on them they get insulted if you dare to question their "patriotism."

Feed your brain at The Hot Joints

This is not a story that was promoted to the front page of Dailykos.

It was not a diary.

What is quoted here is a COMMENT to a diary. Which to my sadness received some recommends.

And also received some dissenting opinions.

defended is the same stuff we're heard from the left for 40-45 years. Don't defend the United States--Every one who does defend it is trash--etc.etc.

While I did find a couple of comments by posters who said they were proud of the
American Veterans and their own or others service to America, the bulk of the posters just wanted to trash America. How anyone can read that site for more than a few minutes and not realize the hate most of the posters have for American is beyond me. But the worst part is seeing the Democrat political leaders like John Kerry expressing the same contempt and hate for the American military members.

______________________________
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Yes, liberals are insulted when you question their patriotism! I'm one of them. Patriotism means more than blindly rooting on the state regardles of its actions.

I think the difference comes in that the left defines America by what it stands for "liberty, freedom, etc." whereas the right simply look at the U.S. as the home team that can do no wrong. Heck, the U.S. could slip into an Orwellian police state and the right-wingers would STILL be waving their flags and chanting "U.S.A., U.S.A."

Why do I think this? Because I turn on the frickin TV and see our government defending pre-emptive war, imprisoning people without a trial, tapping phones without permission, or mother frickin torture! Think about it....TORTURE! I'm not naive, I know these things have been going on the down-low (I still don't approve, BTW), but to institutionalize them?! How can anyone, right or left, not see this as profoundly un-American?

You seem to extend this can do no wrong patriotism to your party. Rather than blame yourselves for a f&*ked up war which is bankrupting the country and destroying the US's position in the world, you blame the liberals. Pathetic.

...would rather listen to us evil, evil neoconservatives than you. In fact, I'm pretty sure that it's your fault.

So stop pouting, already. It's unseemly.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

Oh No, Not TORTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Feed your brain at The Hot Joints

If I thought our nation had actually done a lot of really bad things then I would be against it. But I don't think killing a bunch of Jihadis, getting rid of an evil dictator, and trying to promote a pluralistic society in an important part of the world is either wrong or bad.

Oh, BTW you are very unpatriotic, not because you "question" the government, but because in your eyes, your own country is always wrong. (unless a Democrat is president)

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Article

"Protesters arrested trying to block military shipments"

michellemalkin.com has pictures on her site, with the leftists using small children to try to stop the trucks. Sickening.

Yes, liberals are insulted when you question their patriotism! I'm one of them. Patriotism means more than blindly rooting on the state regardles of its actions.

I question your patriotism.

I think the difference comes in that the left defines America by what it stands for "liberty, freedom, etc." whereas the right simply look at the U.S. as the home team that can do no wrong.

This is your view, but not a true representation of what I as a conservative think. The home team can and has done some wrong. But, unlike you, I generally think this nation is the finest ever to grace our world. The truth is that you really don't like this nation.

Heck, the U.S. could slip into an Orwellian police state and the right-wingers would STILL be waving their flags and chanting "U.S.A., U.S.A."

Funny, but it is the "right-wingers" who so truely honor the rules which make us so special: The Constitution. It is the Donkey side which seeks at every turn to promote judges who would overturn these rules, would legislate from the bench.

Why do I think this? Because I turn on the frickin TV and see our government defending pre-emptive war, imprisoning people without a trial, tapping phones without permission, or mother frickin torture! Think about it....TORTURE! I'm not naive, I know these things have been going on the down-low (I still don't approve, BTW), but to institutionalize them?!

Funny how it's the Donkey Kong group which sinks to vulgarity when trying to press an argument. For the record, if my child were held or threatened by a group of non American terrorists who had been apprehended, I personally would tear the skin off their bodies if it would save an American life. So that you know, I am a firm supporter of the rules which govern uniformed armies fighting each other on defined battlefields. This does not mean that I would give those privileges to non-uniformed, hidden members of cell groups who would, quite literally, terrorize Americans on our shores.

How can anyone, right or left, not see this as profoundly un-American?

How can anyone, right or left, not see that folks walking amongst civilians, plotting to blow up a shopping center or detonate a dirty bomb, are in a different class of combatants from the uniformed military of any nation's forces?
How can anyone, right or left, propose giving rights accorded Americans by its Constitution to undercover terrorists whose goal at days' end is the destruction of this society?

You seem to extend this can do no wrong patriotism to your party. Rather than blame yourselves for a f&*ked up war which is bankrupting the country and destroying the US's position in the world, you blame the liberals. Pathetic.

Your parents should be ashamed to have raised an allegedly adult person who cannot convey an idea without resort to four letter words. Funny, but you seem incapable of debating military budgets as percent of GDP, etc. All you seem capable of doing is lobbing profanities.

5 <nt> by bs


“I consider looseness with words no less of a defect than looseness of the bowels” - John Calvin

What does this mean?

A FAQ by bs

Apparently, "5" in response to a posting is a throwback to the days when RS allowed posters to rank postings - 5 was the highest rating on a 1-5 scale. So when someone responds "5", they mean "Great posting".

It's a compliment.

And we really need a Redstate FAQ list.


“I consider looseness with words no less of a defect than looseness of the bowels” - John Calvin

As a screaming liberal who thinks that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was a huge strategic and political mistake, I can still strongly disagree with the Kos poster's sentiments. I'm not alone, there are plenty of us on the left who might disagree with policy (which is what politics is for) but strongly respect the men and women who serve and have served.

I'm sorry... I don't buy your pretense to piety.

If you were sooo upset by the likes of these comments from DKos, then why don't you as a group go tell the Nutroots and the George Soros of the world to go pound it?

Seriously... if you're soo outraged, tell them to shut the F*** Up. You are allowing them to be your spokesperson. If you don't like it, get on them. You could make amends by apologizing to Joe Lieberman first.

Not that I live in Connecticut, but I would have voted against Lieberman in the primary because I disagree with his policies. Which is what primaries are for.

As for the Kos post, I've heard worse. I live in San Francisco and we do have some frankly insane windbags who want the country to be a pacifist hippy commune giving all its money to Palestine. I'm a moderate, heck I'm a fiscal conservative - to a degree, and yes I make the effort to oppose them. Not that there's any Republicans around here to oppose.

or in the East Bay, for that matter...especially since anyone who could be called a conservative (does that mean anyone to the left of Cindy Sheehan?) is considered a candidate for reeducation camps.

And Rightly So!

Like I said, insane windbags.

Cinnamon Stillwell still has her column in the Chronicle, just to rile up the lefties, just as Mark Morford drives the right insane. Pretty good marketing by the Chronicle, if you ask me, reading outrageous opinions from both sides makes for an entertaining newspaper.

I'll be at a Bay Guardian party tomorrow (I do freelance photography for them), I'll tell Bruce that he should hire someone on the right just for a little contrast.

I asked you to apologize for the horrible things the Koskids said about the man.

I grew up in Seattle, it's not exactly SoCon Seattle. Hell... our Congressman wants to spoon with Chavez and thinks Nancy Pelosi is a "neo-con" (even though he doesn't even know what that word really means).

And again, I make the comment, I'm not asking you to oppose Republicans. I asked you to stand up against those that you walk shoulder to shoulder with to get them to stop being the idiots they are. You seem reasonable, but again, you're walking with a group of people who clearly hate what America currently is.

I work for a very very left wing newspaper. I don't write, I do freelance photography for them. But I certainly disagree with some of what they write, and am happy to communicate that to the editorial folk. Not that they are going to change their minds, but we do so enjoy bickering amongst ourselves on the left.

I'm not going to apologize for opinions that I never expressed and don't agree with. Lieberman disagreed with the majority of the Democratic party on an important issue at the time of the primary, so the Connecticut party had the absolute right to replace him in a Democratic primary. I've never appreciated personal abuse from any side in politics, and sure will speak against it. But I'll help and vote for candidates who promote policies that I agree with.

Your right on about the Joe Lieberman apology. He was the last sane Democrat left and they kicked him out.

Feed your brain at The Hot Joints

"When Viet Nam Vets Against the War threw their medals away on the steps of the capitol it was not just a strident spasm of extremis, it was a recognition of the insidious role of all this ritual of honoring participation in mass murder for profit and the aggrandizement of power that is war."

Whoever wrote that little viewpoint was most likely not even born when the events they depict were taking place. And just how is it that they know what the motives were for the actions described? I see pure wishfull thinking and shallow, if not totally absent, any rationale behind that statement.

One thing most of us vets will attest to, is that the service of our military, past and present, is what provides and secures the right of all Americans amoungst us to represent their views openly and without fear of direct retribution. Their right to be wrong has been assured by the very individuals and country they demonize.

And as to "military honor", mine was to do the best job I was capable of and to not let down those who stood sholder to sholder with me. i had litle time to ponder the socio/political aspects of my mission. I took the same position for the 30 years I served as a professional firefighter after my military service.

To all the Vets here, Thanks for your service!

 
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