The Winter Soldier of the New Republic – “Scott Thomas”

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Beginning on January 31, 1971, an anti-war group, Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), spent three days in Detroit, Mi compiling what they called testimony of US military atrocities in Vietnam. They then went to Washington, DC to hold a series of protests, the most famous of which was “Dewey Canyon III”. This launched the lamentable career of John Kerry, but more importantly, it slandered hundreds of innocent soldiers who served in the US Marine Corps in Vietnam, by falsely accusing them of war atrocities.

In one session of the Winter Soldier Investigation entitled “The 1st Marine Division”, the following accusations were made against soldiers in The US Marine Corps.

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He was about 70 years old. I believe he was some sort of religious, like a monk or something like that, from his dress. He had an ID card and he was in pretty bad shape so they didn't want to call in a MEDIVAC chopper so they told us to kill him.

The calling in of artillery for games, the way it was worked would be the mortar forward observers would pick out certain houses in villages, friendly villages, and the mortar forward observers would call in mortars until they destroyed that house and then the artillery forward observer would call in artillery until he destroyed another house and whoever used the least amount of artillery, they won.

The torturing of prisoners was done with beatings and I saw one case where there were two prisoners. One prisoner was staked out on the ground and he was cut open while he was alive and part of his insides were cut out...

Many of these claims became utterly risible under close scrutiny.

Among the persons assisting the VVAW in organizing and preparing this hearing was Mark Lane, author of a book attacking the Warren Commission probe of the Kennedy Assassination and more recently of "Conversations with Americans", a book of interviews with Vietnam veterans about war crimes. On 22 December 1970 Lane's book had received a highly critical review in the "New York Times Book Review" by Neil Sheehan, who was able to show that some of the alleged "witnesses" of Lane's war crimes had never even served in Vietnam while others had not been in the combat situations they described in horrid detail.

Other atrocities described in The Winter Soldier Investigation and the Congressional Hearings that followed, were staged propaganda stunts.

One of the stories told and retold was that of prisoners pushed out of helicopters in order to scare others into talking…..

An investigation by the CID identified the soldier who had taken the photograph; it also identified a second soldier who acquired the picture, made up the story of the interrogation and mailed it and the photograph to his girlfriend. She in turn gave them to her brother, who informed the Chicago Sun-Times. On 29-30 November 1969 the picture and the story appeared in the Chicago Sun-Times and the Washington Post and generated wide media interest.

Today’s anti-war movement has had some success at turning the public against the US military as well. Stories from Haditha andAbu-Ghurayb. have had a discernible effect on the public’s perception of both the military and its mission in Iraq. To date, however, they haven’t successfully made the American public look down on the American military as successfully as they did in Vietnam.


This mission has seemingly fallen to New Republic Magazine blogger, “Scott Thomas.” Thomas posts under a pseudonym and supposedly soldiers in the vicinity of Operating Base Falcon, in Baghdad. He posts a blog about his war experience in Iraq entitled “Shock Troops”.

Thomas consistently posts about how cruel and barbaric American soldiers have been in Iraq. His posts have featured, a woman disfigured from an IED blast being ridiculed in an Army chow hall, a soldier vandalizing corpses in a mass grave as part of a practical joke and a BFV driver who gets off on running over dogs that he finds loose in the street. The Thomas blog posts are a grim flashback to John Kerry’s preposterous fables from The Winter Soldier Investigations of 1971.

The accusations are even being debunked with the same overwhelmingly clarity. The prose and stylings of “Scott Thomas” are reminding a lot of people of some blog posts by a former US Army soldier, Clifton Hicks.

Numerous soldiers who have driven BFVs have weighed in on the improbability of the BFV driver running over large numbers of dogs for sport. I’ve personally driven an M-577 and an M-81. Both are tracked vehicles which are far lighter and easily maneuvered than the BFV. Neither of these vehicles could successfully surprise a sleeping mutt.

Believing this particular story is a sure sign of someone who totally lacks familiarity with US Army tracked vehicles. This lack of understanding is not surprising, given that most modern Americans have never worn the uniform. The part of this equation that I find disturbing consists of the fact that large numbers of people want to believe “Scott Thomas”. A demand exists for false war stories that paint the US military in the worst light possible.

At present, “Scott Thomas” lacks the credibility, notoriety and support to seriously damage our mission or our force. However, he should still be weeded out. The time to purge a sarcoma is before it spreads and becomes terminal. “Scott Thomas” needs to be outted and all of his stories investigated in the forum of a formal military court martial.

You just gotta read Uncle Jimbo's comments at Blackfive... standard language warning. I would toss in a "money quote", but that would require reprinting the whole thing.

After reading Jimbo's comments, flip over to Confederate Yankee. He has two questions for Franklin Foer of TNR that the answers - or lack thereof - can put this controversy to bed instantly.

1. Concerning the brutal comments made to the horribly disfigured female contractor/soldier at FOB Falcon:
They must produce the year, month, and week that this [IED] attack took place, and make this time public knowledge.

2. Concerning the story of the discovery of the pre-war mass grave that was discovered and the bodies of children were desecrated:
If the New Republic wishes to continue to stand behind this Thomas claim, they have no choice but to publicly publish the name and location of the combat outpost where the mass grave is supposed to exist.

In other words, Mr. Foer, you can verify the veracity of at least these two parts of your story while still protecting the identity of "Scott Thomas". Deliver the times and location of the events and you're off the hook. If you can't, you deserve to sued for libel by the US military and you deserve to be hounded out of the business.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

what they intended to accomplish. The smear is out there and it will now simply fade into history. There will be no corrections or supporting information. The deed is done, time to move on to the next phase of smear.

John
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Why would God invent something like whiskey? To keep the Irish from ruling the world of course

TNR has a very high profile history of publishing... well, ahhh, lies. I can't remember the reporter's name, but they had a very high profile guy who wrote a bunch of very well regarded stories over several years. Oh, he made them up.

A second really high profile screw-up like this one could really destroy TNR and Foer. Especially when fact checking it is relatively very easy.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

they play to is simply not concerned with truth. For them the assertion "confirms" their prejudices and that is sufficient --- TNR continues to "speak truth". TNR will not suffer a jot.

The civil/political discourse in this country is poisoned and has been for several decades, its just that until Algore and the election of 2000 it was somewhat contained. After Algore and his "stolen election" tantrum the gloves came off and the looneys felt justified in coming out of the closet; it has been growing more and more coarse by the day.

The left in this country has gone off the rails and this will continue to spiral down now for a long time to come. The election of a Republican to the Whitehouse in 2008 will serve to increase the pace. It will be a long, long time before there is any civility restored.

John
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Why would God invent something like whiskey? To keep the Irish from ruling the world of course

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

I know memory is the first thing to go, but it did make a good movie. (of course they try and make TNR come out at heroes at the end of the day for finally getting rid of Glass even though the signs were there and a lot of people had questioned Glass' stories previously, but for a movie, it was at least entertaining. I give it a thumbs up.) I think TNR had a female reporter previous to Glass do the same as well. They don't have a good track record.

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The CIA has better politicians than it has spies - Fred Thompson

Creation of false stories that are designed to hurt the morale of the military and/or home front needs to be a felony with a 20 year mandatory sentence. I dare the Democrats to vote against it.

Consensus doesn't prove anything, in science or anywhere else, except in democracy, maybe. - Reid Bryson, speaking on Global Warming

about Congress itself --- right now it is one gigantic morale depresser.

John
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Why would God invent something like whiskey? To keep the Irish from ruling the world of course

and let "Scott Thomas" spend an afternoon alone with them on a barge in the middle of the Euphrates.

"Scott Thomas" - The New Republic's Winter Soldier

An excellent, enlightening entry that very well shows the complete lack of understanding of the characteristics of multi-ton armored vehicles and the noise they make.

I would, however, like to make one point. While the term "soldier" can be used in a generic manner to describe someone serving in the military and most often in a ground unit, a soldier is normally considered a trooper of the United States Army. A member of the United States Marine Corp is a Marine, and the ones I know might take exception to being called a "soldier", although I am sure they would understand the mixup.

A loud "Semper Fi" and a big Army "HOOAH" to both branches!

"Scott Thomas" - The New Republic's Winter Soldier

When the Marinea around me take offense at being called "soldier". They should be so lucky. : )

"It's a book about a man who doesn't know he's about to die, and then dies...
...But if the man does know he's going to die and dies anyway. Dies, dies willing, knowing he can stop it, then...
Well, isn't that the type of man you want to keep alive?"
Karen Eiffel, Stranger Than Fiction

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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Though I must admit to being constantly amazed every time I come across a marine who knows what "Press Any Key" means...

"It's a book about a man who doesn't know he's about to die, and then dies...
...But if the man does know he's going to die and dies anyway. Dies, dies willing, knowing he can stop it, then...
Well, isn't that the type of man you want to keep alive?"
Karen Eiffel, Stranger Than Fiction

I thought they went out of business. Even among the left, they're not very popular.

Asked why it was dishonorable to return without a shield and not without a helmet, the Spartan king, Demaratos is said to have replied: "Because the latter they put on for their own protection, but the shield for the common good of all."

They did acquire a reputation for dishonesty back in 1999 from Stephen Glass inventing facts in 27 of his 41 articles.

"Scott Thomas" - The New Republic's Winter Soldier

 
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