The Lost Kos loses it
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Promoted by Erick. I'm floored that Kos just does not get it. I guess none of us should be surprised.
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CT-Sen: Lieberman is seriously unhinged
by kos
Fri Aug 11, 2006 at 12:11:58 PM PDT
Seriously, I really do want to get my vacation started. But how can you ignore things like this?
"I'm worried that too many people, both in politics and out, don't appreciate the seriousness of the threat to American security and the evil of the enemy that faces us -- more evil, or as evil, as Nazism and probably more dangerous than the Soviet Communists we fought during the long Cold War," Mr. Lieberman said.
More evil than the guys who gassed 6 million Jews?
More dangerous than the guys who had thousands of nuclear warheads pointed at us and could've snuffed out all life on the planet at the press of a button?
Lieberman has lost it. Completely and utterly. He is insane.
Read on...
Leave it to our friends on the left to fail to understand that the guys we are fighting certainly would gas six million Jews, if they could get their hands on them, to fail to understand that if the guys we are fighting had thousands of nuclear warheads pointed at us, would actually use them.
Thanks to our own willingness to deploy weapons to deter the Soviets, the USSR never sent its SS-11 and SS-13 and SS-18 ICBMs our way; thanks to our willingness, and the leadership of President Reagan in deploying Pershing II IRBMs in Europe, the Soviets never sent their SS-20s heading toward France and Germany and the United Kingdom.
But when we see an Islamist culture that can produce suicide bombers, men willing, happily apparently, to kill themselves as long as they can take some Westerners with them, a reasonable person would have to ask whether the specter of nuclear retaliation by American ICBMs and SLBMs would deter Osama bin Laden -- or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Think about Hezbollah. Hamas had captured an Israeli soldier less than two weeks prior to Hezbollah doing the same thing. The Israelis reacted very decisively against Hamas on the Gaza border; they didn't respond like milquetoast liberals, wringing their hands and saying how terrible it was. Hezbollah's leaders knew that capturing Israeli soldiers along the Lebanese border would result in the same thing, although Hezbollah's leaders might not have guessed quite how strongly Israel would respond. Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah knew that Israel would go after them militarily, and knew that, since they were hiding in areas populated by non-combatants, a lot of those non-combatants would get killed.
If Sheikh Nasrallah (and his Iranian puppeteers) were willing to sacrifice civilians in southern Lebanon to set off an engagement they cannot, and know they cannot, win militarily, why ought we to think that the same logic that kept Nikita Khrushchev and Leonid Brezhnev from sending nuclear weapons our way would deter the Islamist leaders, if they had those weapons?
Der Führer took power in 1933; he didn't start gassing and burning Jews and a few other chosen enemies for more than six years. He did, however, make quite clear how he felt about Jews, in writing, for everyone to see, well before he took power. President Ahmadinejad hasn't started killing Jews (or Christians) yet, but he has certainly told us how he feels about them. Senator Lieberman knows enough about history (more, apparently, than Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, who writes as Kos) to see what could be coming, from a man who says, openly, that Israel should not exist, and runs a country apparently attempting to build nuclear weapons, and realize that such a threat must be taken seriously before it becomes an unmanagable one.
Had the civilized world reacted to Adolf Hitler in 1935 or 1936, the way it should have reacted, had Neville Chamberlain not gone crawling to Munich to seek "peace in our time" in 1938, the horrors of World War II, at least in Europe, might have been avoided.
Our Jewish friends have had this lesson seared into their collective consciences; Senator Lieberman has the good sense to recognize the threat and want to address the threat, today, while the threat is still a bit away, rather than to wait until the devil is on our doorstep.
By September of 1939, the British, who had thought that Winston Churchill was just out of it when he was warning about Adolf Hitler years earlier, realized that he had been right all along. Had action been taken on Mr Churchill's advice years earlier, millions who were killed would not have been killed -- but the world would have no way of knowing it. Instead, the peace at any price types held sway, and the world found out -- the hard way -- that Mr Churchill was right all along.
Joseph Lieberman is telling us the same thing as was Winston Churchill. If we act on his warnings, now, we'll never know what was prevented -- and our milquetoast liberal friends will say that we acted the bully when we needn't have done so, as they are doing even now about President Bush. We'll never know if Senator Lieberman is right, if we take his advice, if we listen to him seriously and act. We'll only know if he was right, or wrong, if we don't take his advice, if we act as Kos wants us to act, as wimps.
But, by the time we do know, if it turns out that Mr Lieberman is right, it'll be too late.
Cross-posted at Common Sense Political Thought.
Fantastic entry.
Given that Sen. Leiberman sees this clearly, it is no wonder that there isn't a place for him among the "progressives". You cannot apease someone who wants you dead.
"That every man, ought to endeavor Peace, as far as he has hope of obtaining it; and when he cannot obtain it, that he may seek, and use, all helps and advantages of War" (Leviathan)
If an enemy has stated their aim as your destruction and seeks the means to achieve that end, it is the moral responsibility of any State to use war to eliminate that threat. To ignore it and accept "peace" at any cost is by no stretch of the imagination a reasonable solution. Rather it is a failure on the greatest scale. It is a failure to ensure the survival of the citizenry and the nation itself.
From here.
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds"-Samuel Adams
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"I don't know." -- Helen Thomas, when asked by White House spokesman Scott McClellan, "Are we at war, Helen?"
I love Kos's last line. Lieberman makes the obvious comparison between Islamofascists and the Nazis, so he's insane. Do the other bloggers on Kos's site really want to be subject to that kind of ideological discipline?
Thank you for reminding us (although it shouldn't be necessary) that Nazism didn't just spring from Hitler's head fully formed in 1939, and thank you for reading DailyKos so the rest of us don't have to.
The connecticut primary proves this once and for all. The question isn't whether the nutroots owns the dems but how truly owned the dems are.
The Gunslinger wrote:
thank you for reading DailyKos so the rest of us don't have to.
Believe me, it's not a task for which I can steel myself every day.
And the commenters on Kos are even worse than the writers. So many of them seem to know ten nouns, five verbs and one adjective.*
Dana
* - Plagairized from Tom Wolfe. :)
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Thou art the Great Cat, the avenger of the Gods, and the judge of words...-Inscription on the Royal Tombs at Thebes
Somebody get this up front where everyone can and will see it. And someone get this out to all those fence-sitters and sulky conservatives out there. These are the people who will be dictating policy for a Speaker Pelosi or a Chairman Kennedy. And with Joe Biden needing these clowns for his presidential aspirations, this is what would be in harge at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
This isn't about how much the Democrats would spend, or how many new taxes they'd impose. Turning out the GOP as "punishment" for not being conservative enough could literally be a matter of life and death. Bill CLinto hamstrung our intelligence and military preparedness and look where it's gotten us? Even two years of congressional resolutions defunding intelligence and other needed programs is two years too many.
And for those who think the NY Times is odious for exposing intelligence programs - think of what will happen when the Democrats will use their Intelligence Committees to gleefully expose everything they can in hopes of impeaching and removing the President.
If this were 2000, I might be willing to stay home and let the GOP lose. But as one who lives in DC - a prime target for any would-be terrorist looking to strike us here; and one who had a father successfully escape from the Towers on 9/11 - I believe that electing Democrats could literally endanger my, and my family's life, health and well-being.
My thanks to those who asked for (and got) the promotion of my article to the front page. As a blogger struggling to get noticed, and one with a perhaps overly-elevated opinion of my own prose, every little bit helps -- and Red State isn't just a little bit of help!
and think. As it is this interpretation at Kos only indicates insanity and ignorance on their part. Lieberman says " more evil, or AS evil". The fools ignore the "AS" and stress the "more". The fools then go on to substitute "dangerous" for "evil" which any half educated fourth grader could tell them are radically different words and implications.
Although still arguable even in Kos's twisted version their comments slide into dementia and retardation with the alterations. One can be evil but minimally dangerous and evil magnifies only with the power to expand itself.
This isn't even a situation of the pot calling the kettle black[ or a utensil of color ], this is one sided blind hatred and fanaticism. The insanity is a given.
The only part that grates is that they regard themselves as clever, and God help us, superior, when unwittingly they have made fools of themselves.
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
Yes. There. I've said it.
Why do I say so? Because I'm the father of two daughters. One day, a thought entered my mind. Under what circumstances would I hate some group of people so much that I would hand my daughters vests lined with plastic explosives and tell them to blow themselves up in a crowd of my enemies? Yes, you're my children, my reason for living. But I'll happily see you blown to bits, if you'll just take some of my enemies with you.
Monstrous, yes? So monstrous that it transcends anything the Nazis ever did. Evil as they were, I doubt that even the worst Nazi ever contemplated such horror. The jihadists do it on a daily basis. They teach their children that suicide in the name of mass murder is honorable. They've even run TV ads urging children to die in the name of Jew-killing. It's a level of fanatical hatred that even the Nazis never displayed.
So yes, the jihadists are certainly more evil than the Nazis. They only lack the power to put their evil plans into full effect. And if Iran gets a nuke, there'll be hell to pay.
Not that Kos would be so unaware of the gravity of the threat Islamist terrorists present, but that he's still treated by the mainstream media as someone who has a shred of an idea what he's talking about.
knows exactly what the dangers are, and it is Kos who has lost it, or at least is entirely to content to live in his liberal la la land where Islam is only a threat because the crazy conservatives think it is.
As a Jew, I consider it to be very anti-sematic to call the Islamic terrorists more dangerous and more of a threat than Hitler's Nazi's. This post makes it obvious to us Jews that redstate is not our friend.
Once again as a Jew, I am forced to repeat the phrase...
"Never Again"
which is why it's important to confront eliminationist antisemitism in its nascent phase. The central point of Pico's post is that the difference between Islamic terrorists and the Nazis is one of means, not of ends. Pico never claims that the Islamic fascists are currently as dangerous as the Nazis were, but rightly points out that the Nazis also got their start as a bunch of goons whom no one took seriously. Considering Ahmadinejad's pronouncements on the Holocaust, I'd say that the current crop of eliminationists are already farther along than that.
"Never again" should be a call to action, not merely a recognition of the Nazis' singularly horrific crime.
gunslinger753@hotmail.com
It was a call to action: the creation of Israel.
And now Ahmadinejad wants to erase that action as a final solution to the Israeli question.
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.
Before you come trolling on this site claiming that you, as a representative of "us Jews", understand the Judaic plight better than, say, Joe Lieberman, here's a useful tip:
LEARN TO SPELL SEMITIC.
Goodbye.
Weren't the Semates the tribe that passes the Semites in the desert going in the opposite direction? Led by a guy named Mases who gave them the 11 1/2 commandments?
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
. . . that it is anti-Semitic to call the Islamic fascists either dangerous or as much as a threat as the Germans were in World war II; I guess that one could quibble with "more" of a threat, but I don't think anyone was seriously attempting to quantify any differences there.
We need to face the fact that many (not all) of the Muslims in the Middle East would be happy to finish Der Führer's task, and with nuclear weaponry a possibility, and certainly a goal of the oh-so-responsible Iranian leadership, I don't think we ought to rule out a serious attempt by the Muslim fanatics to try.
You concluded by saying:
Once again as a Jew, I am forced to repeat the phrase...
"Never Again"
That's what all of us here believe. Unfortunately, there really are people out there who would liek to see you dead.
Dana
The Nazis were able to kill 6MM Jews. Certainly the Islamic wackos would, if given the opportunity kill every Jew, and as many Christians et. al. as well. On principal, the Islamic Facists are more dangerous then the Nazis were able to achieve and we need to stop that threat.
Since in the PC world you reside in, Mr. Brian5, only Jews can dscuss Jewish issues, I'll take the liberty of joining this conversation as a Jew myself.
Frankly your idiotic comment contradicts your very point itself. You decry Lieberman's cheapening (according to you) of the the Holocaust by calling him (a proud Orthodox Jew, BTW) an anti-Semite. Doesn't that cheapen that term as well? If all anti-Semitism meant was unequal comparisons of the Holocaust to other evil, then the Jews of the world would be pretty well off, don't you think? This should be the worst anti-Semitism we should suffer.Ridiculous.
And BTW, if Redstate is not "your friend" then who is? The DailyKos? Ha! If you want real anti-Semitism, then that's where you should go, it's on display there all the time.
You and your liberal friends might want to take your collective heads out of the sand and realize that the best freinds of Israel and the Jewish people in today's world are American conservatives.
This posting should be put in a time capsule. Its author's sheer cluelessness, his determination to deny reality, has transcended mere political error. I've read my share of appalling things on Daily Kos, but nothing has shocked me quite so much as this. If a significant part of the Democratic Party thinks this way, our national crisis is far worse than I thought.
An idea of how pervasive the Hate America First ideology is and how widespread it is came to me in the form of a 17 year old High School Senior who did not erely say she was just not interested in serving in the military, that it just wasnt for her. Her exact words were: "I like America and all, but I don't feel it's worth dieing for. i don't think America is worth defending."
"Always be honest with yourself even if you are honest with no one else...
...It helps you keep track of your lies..."
--Myself
We really have to thank Kos for crystallizing his and the rest of the Far Left's world view. When you read that you really understand where they are coming from. Of course if you don't see the threat then one would naturally question the effort in Iraq. I think most of us, if we took an electrode and fried the common sense and history centers in our brain, thus rendering us to believe what Kos believes, that we would agree with him by and large.
If we assume that the Far Left's opposition to Iraq/Iran confict is based on the conclusion that Islamofascism is a lesser threat than the Nazis or the Soviets, then to simply win elections, we must focus our effort in dispelling the Kos myth. We need to educate the American people on what Iran and Islamofascists are all about. Head severing is the norm, not the exception. Absence of every freedom guaranteed in the Bill of Rights is the norm. Where are the stories about life in Iran? Where are the videos of Berg and others? And for that matter, where is the recounting of lurid tales under the Saddam regime?
The absolute irony of it all is that Kos' appeasement of Islamofascists threatens the civil liberties he enjoys. This is ignorance to the nth degree. They are coming for us. They are growing in strength. And just because one side in a war says there is no war does not make it so. We're in World War 3.
KD
That little fact always amazes me. That one can be so far to the left on issues like this after having been in the military.
Military service should not allow anyone to assume a mantle of expertise in either foreign policy or military strategy.
My son was a SpOps Marine. If you need information on how to accomplish a night assualt on a heavily fortified position, he's your guy. If you want to discuss the appropriate balance of force vs. diplomacy he's probably not.
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If "pro" is the opposite of "con", what is the opposite of "progress"?
KD
I understand what you mean by having certain expertise. But I'm sure your son doesn't have a general worldview that is so far left on this particular issue at least. How someone like Murtha who was in the Marines can now being calling our Marines "the enemy" and "murderers" is beyond me even if he disagreed with the policy decisions that led to the war.
he's made himself an ex-Marine. He's a doddering old fool who is reaching for a place in history. The price: one soul. And he's not fit to lick the sand off Joshes boots.
The really interesting study is to look at Murtha's history. He's touted a friend of the military and a hawk. He's supported some good programs for veterans. With respect to the "hawk" label, he's never seen a conflict where ordinance was being expended where he didn't want to cut and run. His advice to Clinton after Mogadishu, "Pull out now." With respect to his position on Iraq, it was driven by the fact that Bush didn't call him for his opinion before we committed troops.
The story is that Marines KIA are standing guard in Dress Blues before the Pearly Gates. If that is true, there is a very hot place where Murtha will spend eternity.
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If "pro" is the opposite of "con", what is the opposite of "progress"?
Has a solid grasp on that as well.
"If you want to discuss the appropriate balance of force vs. diplomacy he's probably not."
After all, what did Ender Wiggins say?
"I will beat them badly enough that they will never dare threaten me again lest they come upon me in overwhelming numbers"
At least, it boils down to that...
"Always be honest with yourself even if you are honest with no one else...
...It helps you keep track of your lies..."
--Myself
and I say us, because my view of the proper balance is only a tad to the right of Joshes. Arty is the infantryman's best friend!!!
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If "pro" is the opposite of "con", what is the opposite of "progress"?
I found a few gems in that thread:
"You are so right about that. How can he compare terrorists attacks aimed at random people throughout the world to Hitler and the Nazis systematic plan for extermination of all Jews."
"...calling this a war, calling it a "war on islamic fascism," equating the need to thwart and eradicate sovereignless terrorists with removing Hussein from Iraq, are all misguided."
"Comparing something to the Nazis is the moral a-bomb."
"True. But Bush isn't helping. He's making us less safe. I believe that if Bush had been in charge during WWII, we'd all be speaking German now."
"If you think he's unhinged, just think how f****** crazy the people supporting him are."
"How about 'evangelofascist'"
"when you dig into what constitutes a legitimate form of security against criminals like al Qaeda and radical extremist groups (law enforcement and robust international cooperation)"
Is there any doubt that KOS's followers are just as unhinged. And this is just a quick sample, there were over 400 posts in that thread.
I need a shower. And a tequila.
The Kos Kids are amazing in their ability to believe evil of those who ought to be their allies. Not just Joe Lieberman, but us, GWB, Israel, and everyone else who prefers living free to dying enslaved. Yet they cannot seem to help but label misstatements lies, lies as conspiracies, conspiracies as murder, and to excuse the same when committed by our mutual foes.
And they wonder why we think they're not actually concerned about national security in general and terrorism in particular.
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Any man who asks of freedom anything other than itself is born to be a slave. - AdT
I've generally failed to be surprised by KOS, but this is amazingly stupid ... even for him.
I live in CT so I feel like at least have a duty to look at Lamont's web site to see what he has to say. This is a direct quote from his site:
"Global warming is perhaps the most serious threat facing our planet and our country today, and we need a Senator who is serious about protecting it in the arenas that really matter – the courts and the federal government."
Think about that statement. Radical Islamists are seeking to blow up planes full of innocent citizens and what does Lamont see as the greatest threat facing our country -- global warming.
Lamont's plan for fighting the war on terror? Couldn't tell you since it apparently isn't a high enough priority in his eyes to merit a written position statement.
Scary, very scary.
The USS Cole was one such shot in that battle.
But how many ships are hijacked or blown up that we never even hear about? What about all those hostages that are taken during journeys around the Horn of Africa?
"Always be honest with yourself even if you are honest with no one else...
...It helps you keep track of your lies..."
--Myself
someone convinced him that the 9/11 fireballs contributed to global warming and the debris caused more air pollution, and that planes exploding over the ocean would add to global warming and pollute the oceans.
Do you really think that he believes any of the stuff he says? He is nothing but a snake oil shuckster pooring out the slop so that the brainless little lefty piggys that swarm his website and provide him with a nice living will have something to oink about. Kos=Jim Baker. Just different slop.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
After having read his statements and that disgraceful book, I believe that what we read is 100% what he believes.
But for whatever reason I learned some time back they really do believe this nonsense. This, of course, is the more frightening proposition.
Tbone asks:
Do you really think that he believes any of the stuff he says? He is nothing but a snake oil shuckster pooring out the slop so that the brainless little lefty piggys that swarm his website and provide him with a nice living will have something to oink about.
Yeah, I actually think that he does believe the bovine feces he writes; despite the pseudonym "Kos," he's not an anonymous poster, but is known publicly.
I have a personal correspondent, whose name I won't disclose since her stuff is sent as private-within-a-group email rather than posted on teh web, who has written the same kind of tripe for at least twelve years, long enough for me to be persuaded that she actually believes the amazing and far-fetched things she writes. I've seen the conspiracy-theory whackos who honestly believe, and have said so in public, crazy things to the effect that George Bush blew up the World Trade Center and that the GOP stole the 2004 election, without the slightest bit of (credible) proof. After all of that, it is, unfortunately, quite easy for me to picture Kos and his Kids as believing seriously the things that they write.
It's enough to make me support the concept of an intelligence test being required to register to vote!
I've seen the conspiracy-theory whackos who honestly believe, and have said so in public, crazy things to the effect that George Bush blew up the World Trade Center and that the GOP stole the 2004 election, without the slightest bit of (credible) proof.
The MSM has demonstrated via Rathergate, Qanagate, etc., that you really don't need to have proof when fake proof will do quite nicely. All you need is to get the nuts ginned up, and then you can have the MSM asking questions like, "There are those who say that (insert ridiculous claim). Can you prove they are wrong?" Translation: "(wink wink nudge nudge) I'm going to report the Kos claims as factual unless (suppress laughter) you can convince them to retract them."
I've seen several interviews with Dan in the last few months and not ONE interviewer has taken the time to press him on the faked documents or his claim that the story is factual. Not one question about how they could have screwed up so badly if Mapes was working on it for five years. And nothing about his lack of published "proof" if the story is true.
The MSM simply has no credibility anymore. Walter Duranty lives!
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If "pro" is the opposite of "con", what is the opposite of "progress"?
Where's my Spotlight Button?
Kos is on the wrong side of history.