Finrod's Non-Scientific Redstate Presidential Candidate Poll [Final Update 10: 132 votes, and stats]
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Final Update 10: 132 votes in
Okay, this poll has been open for 2 days now, and since it's about to fall off the Recommended list anyways, I'm not expecting many more votes, so I'm doing one final tally. If anyone wants to go through all the votes posted and post a tally excluding new posters, or do any statistical analysis on the data, or what have you, knock yourself out. drothgery gets the honors of getting the last tallied vote.
Name 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Total Avg ----- --- --- --- --- --- ----- --- Fred Thompson 62 29 24 9 8 392 2.97 Mitt Romney 22 36 29 29 16 283 2.14 John McCain 18 35 33 33 13 276 2.09 Rudy Giuliani 17 25 30 20 40 223 1.69 Mike Huckabee 13 7 16 41 55 146 1.11
Since to my knowledge no one else has done a blog entry poll, and it being my birthday (if you must know, I'm 0x27 (that's hexadecimal, or base 16 for you non-geek types)), I'm hereby starting one.
The ground rules:
This is a slice-of-time poll. Your ranking only reflects your opinion as of today; you're perfectly free to totally change your preferences tomorrow, or change them from what they were yesterday. I'm limiting the choices (sorry Duncan Hunter fans) to the five leading candidates:
Rudy Giuliani
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Mike Huckabee
(Have you noticed before how all 5 candidates have 4-letter first names? Just an odd bit of trivia.)
To enter, post your rankings of all 5 candidates, from most- to least-preferred, in the comments. Yes, you have to rank all five. No, you can't declare a tie. I'll update with a top-25-style ranking, with each 1st-place listing garnering that candidate 4 points, down to 0 for 5th-place listings.
And if the headline doesn't make it clear enough, I'll elaborate here: this poll is totally non-scientific and reflects only the opinions of those who choose to participate in it. If I suspect that someone is creating accounts for the purpose of influencing this poll, I reserve the right to discard any votes I find suspicious.
That said, have at it. May the best candidate win!
(Another aside: Happy Birthday to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who I'm proud to share a birthday with.)
Some brief commentary as of update 8, 108 votes:
The extremes have pulled in a bit; Fred's average has dropped below 3.0 while Mike's has risen above 1.0; Fred still is getting about 45 percent of the first-place votes, but every candidate is getting at least 10 percent of them, even Mike. Mitt has passed Rudy for second place in first-place votes, and has been maintaining a very narrow lead over John for second place overall.
Update 9 comment: 70 percent of voters have either Rudy or Mike in last.
You should do this weekly and set a time limit (24 hours or something). I'd say automate it as well, but I'm afraid Paulites or other internet mass movements might spam it.
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Don't include Ron Paul as one of hte poll options.
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The Red Sox Republican: Burkeanism, Baseball, and Sundries.
Only count votes from people who have been here a
certain length of time. Sorry N00bs, you can't vote yet
you gotta get a little more watering, get repotted, and grow
up a little more! :)
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"The bass, the rock, the mic, the treble, I like my coffee black, just like my Metal." - MSI
There are also many different ways of counting the votes.
The one that most closely approximates the way the primaries actually work is exhaustive ballot, which can be organised as an instant runoff.
On that basis, being a popular second choice does not work for you in the early stages, but if you survive to later stages it might.
Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net
International Editor of
Fred - 5
Rudy - 4
John - 3
Mike - 2
Mitt - 1
“The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men."
That would be:
Franz
Rudy
Fred
Mitt
John
Mike
If you don't put Franz in, you'd better take to looking over your shoulder. And listening for grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrring sounds.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
Duncan Hunter
Tom Tancredo
Fred Thompson
Mitt Romney
Mike Huckabee
John McCain
Rudy Giuliani
Fred
McCain
Romney
Huckabee
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The Red Sox Republican: Burkeanism, Baseball, and Sundries.
Duncan
Fred
John
Rudy
Mike
Mitt
Of course, the last five could change around again before long.
McCain
Fred
Rudy
Mitt
(Paul)
Huckabee
Just to make sure everyone knows where Huckabee for President is on my list. Of course, Huckabee for Senate!!! would be a different story.
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1. McCain
2. Huckabee
3. Thompson
4. Giuliani <- dropped from 2nd to 4th due to waterboarding stance (poor judgement re: Kerik not helping either)
5. Romney
Paul would be 6, Tancredo 7, and Hunter 3.5.
Rudy Giuliani
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Mike Huckabee
For some reason I have Rudy #1 right now, don't fully know why, but there it is.
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Two thirds of the world is covered by water,
the other third is covered by Champ Bailey.
McCain
Fred
Rudy
Huckabee
Hunter
Paul
Tancredo
Mitt
Rudy
JMac
Fred
(Paul)
Huck
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
Mitt Romney
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Rudy Giuliani
Mike Huckabee
Huck
Mitt
Fred
McCain
Rudy
Mr. Ed
Straight from the Horse's Mouth
Fred Thompson
Mitt Romney
John McCain
Mike Huckabee
Rudy Giuliani
First the five requested, in order,
Rudy
McCain
Mitt *
Fred *
Huck
and then the rest:
Hunter
Tancredo
Biden
Richardson
Hillary
Obama
Dodd
HWMNBN (aka the crazy uncle in the basement)
Edwards
* these rotate depending on the signs of life in Fred's campaign and the signs of sanity on the part of the Mittsters.
Fred
Mitt
Rudy
John
Mike
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.
Fred
..........Hunter
McCain
..........Tancredo
Romney
..........Paul
Huckabee
..........Scooby Doo
Rudy
1) Thompson
2) McCain
3) Romney
4) Huckabee
5) Giuliani
Fred
Mitt
John
Mike
Rudy
Mitt is a VERY close second. Fred stays no top, barely, with NRLC endorsement.
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
Mitt
Fred
Johnny Mac
Huck
Rudy
"Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant."-Ann Coulter
Pitbull of the VRWC
which brand of knock off Cola product tastes more like the real deal...
(HWSNBN)
Thompson
Huckabee
(Tancredo)
Mccain
Romney
(Hunter)
(Spaceman Spiff)
(Illegal Immigrants)
(Homosexuals)
(Pro-Choice activists)
Rudy
lol...
Fred
Rudy
Mitt
John
Huckwheat
There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life. - Frank Zappa
Fred
Huckabee
Rudy
Mitt
McCain (and only under dire circumstances)
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Say if ever thou didst find a woman with a constant mind
Fred
Mitt
McCain
Rudy
Huckaberry
Oz
Read my most recent story, "Immigration may be Hillary's undoing" on First Cut Politics
Thompson
Giuliani
McCain
Romney
www.scottbomb.com
Click here to donate to the Fred Thompson campaign.
Rudy Giuliani
Fred Thompson
Mitt Romney
John McCain
Mike Huckabee
Wow, there are a lot of Fred Thompson votes.
The only placement I had trouble with was #2, between Romney and Thompson. I actually originally put Romney ahead of Thompson. On second thought, I decided that I was so impressed by Thompson's philosophy of government that I had to put him second, despite the fact that I believe that Romney is a better speaker who has a more impressive record of success.
"Our Constitution innovatively guarantees our liberties by spreading power among the three branches of the federal government, and between the federal government and the states. In considering any action by the government, we must always ask two questions: is the government better equipped than the private sector to perform the task and, if so, what level of government (federal or state) ought to do it. Washington is not the seat of all wisdom." - Thompson's website
Huckabee
McCain
Thompson
Romney
Giuliani
I have a feeling the couple other people who might be Huckabee #1's are hiding after that other diary.
Fred
Rudy
Mitt
John
Huck
Socialism doesn't work. It looks nice on paper, but it's been tried and it's failed miserably every time (usually accompanied by widespread death and suffering).
Proud member of the V.R.W.C.
I'm with Fred!
Huckabee
Thompson
Romney
McCain
Giuliani
McCain would have been 2nd if he were against ESCR.
I have asked before and no-one answered. Google is unhelpful.
Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net
International Editor of
Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net
International Editor of
....(Voldemort)
McCain
Thompson
Romney
Huckabee
....(The Wicked Witch of the West)
....(Satan (you know the hockey player? ;))
Guiliani
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"The bass, the rock, the mic, the treble, I like my coffee black, just like my Metal." - MSI
Rudy
Mitt
Fred
John
Mike
Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net
International Editor of
Mitt Romney
John McCain
Fred Thompson
Rudy Giuliani
Mike Huckabee
John's made up some ground for me lately, and I was astonished at the Fred Tax revelation.
Mitt Romney
Fred Thompson
[--- huge gap ---]
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
[--- huge gap --]
Mike Huckabee
Thompson would be #1 if I were convinced he were up to the campaign.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
Mike Huckabee
John McCain
Fred Thompson
Mitt Romney
Rudy Guiliani
Fred Thompson
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Mike Huckabee
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Rudy
Mitt
Fred
McCain
Huckabee
I'm rather indifferent between 2 through 4. All would be acceptable and enthusiastically supported.
“I think we are the team to beat in the NL East -- finally.” - Jimmy "MVP" Rollins, 1/23/07
Fred Thompson
Mitt Romney
John McCain
Rudy Giuliani
Mike Huckabee
Texas Proud and Texas Loud
You freaking Zionist Commie Nazi, you left out the one TRUE REPUBLICAN!
Good.
Thompson
Romney
Giuliani
McCain
Huckabee
Fred
Mitt
Mike
John
Rudy
I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.
In terms of who I would want to win if the primary determined the winner
John McCain
Mike Huckabee
Fred Thompson
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
I am a first-time voter (18 years old college freshman) and I would eagerly support and work for any of these candidates over next summer.
I'm also a first-time voter with a very similar list. I think John McCain, oddly enough, has stronger youth appeal than people realize.
Mike Huckabee
John McCain
Fred Thompson
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
1. Rudy
2. Fred
3. McCain
4. Huckabee
5. Mitt
My wife has accused me of reversing the order of most to least handsome just to spite her . . . I deny all charges - but it is kinda funny how that worked out.
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"We want great men who, when fortune frowns, will not be discouraged." - Colonel Henry Knox
Huckabee would have been higher on your list?
Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net
International Editor of
Mitt Romney
[big gap]
John McCain
Mike Huckabee
[big gap]
Fred Thompson
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"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it."
--Rudy Giuliani
Fred Thompson
Mitt Romney
Mike Huckabee
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
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NARF
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Mike Huckabee
Rudy Giuliani
I thought he was supposed to, like, have all this, you know, internet support and stuff goin on. Right?
Anyway:
Thompson
Giuliani
(insert Obama here)
McCain
Huckabee
Romney
Carlos: "What? Were they [Democrats]?"
Seth: "They look like [Democrats]? Is that what they looked like? They were vampires.
"[Democrats] do not explode when sunlight hits them."
1) Huckabee (2008)!!!!
2) Mccain
3) Giuliani
4) Romney
5) Thompson
As though this was a surprise...
1) Mitt Romney
2) Fred Thompson
3) Rudy Giuliani
4) John McCain
5) Mike Huckabee
1. Romney
2. Fred
3. Rudy
4. McCain
5. Huckabee
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
1- Fred Thompson
I'm not changing unless he's not a candidate, and then I probably lose a lot of interest in the election. Never before have I been able to fully support a candidate because of their beliefs
big gap
2nd- John McCain
I have too much respect for him not to have him as my number 2 pick. His record is solid, and though he has some blemishes, he's basically takes the right positions, but not to the extent of Thompson. Weak on immigration.
3rd- Rudy Giuliani
Basically, Rudy is just below McCain. I could get on board with him. I have some serious issues with some of his positions that hold him back, like gun control. At least during the campaign, I usually agree with him on principle. He's somewhat of a federalist, but not pure on the issue. Plus, he's weak on immigration. I worry about judges under Rudy, since he is pro-choice, but if he goes farther and actually mentions someone like Bork or Thomas, instead of the usualy suspects (not to take anything away from them), I would be more satisfied.
large gap
4th- Mitt Romney
I tend to give Romney the benefit of the doubt on his conversions, but I don't trust him. MassCare was terrible, and I'm not convinced he wouldn't be a nannystater, though I'm not as worried about it as I would be with other candidates. Many of his supporters might also have a subliminal negative effect on me as well. Gun control is a big negative with me as well. Brady biller. I wouldn't be excited about it, and I don't know how motivated I'd be to get out for Romney
5th- Mike Huckabee
Unlike Romney, the Huckabee supporters have had a negative effect, but it's not subliminal. They've started to annoy me almost as much as Dr. ----. Basically, I think he's strong candidate on life and guns, but that's it, and in the case of life, I'm not on board with the HLA yet. It's funny, as a southerner, Huckabee should be my number 2, but the biggest problem he has is that my number 1 issue is less government. Like Romney, though not as much, Huckabee is a candidate who likes "efficient government."
I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size.
-Barry Goldwater
Tommy Oliver
www.race42008.com
I worry about judges under Rudy, since he is pro-choice, but if he goes farther and actually mentions someone like Bork or Thomas, instead of the usualy suspects (not to take anything away from them), I would be more satisfied.
I think he has mentioned Thomas as a justice he greatly respects and in whose mold he would like to find more justices.
I shared your concern that he generally mentions Roberts, Scalia and Alito without mentioning Thomas, but he does so in a particular context. He says that he served with all of them (but not Thomas) in the Reagan Justice Department and therefore knows them much better than he knows the others. His point is that he would ideally seek people whom he personally knows rather than risk a Souter.
Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net
International Editor of
Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net
International Editor of
Huckabee
Romney
Thomson
Guliani
McCain
HUCKABEE - the fiscal arguments against him are weak. P'ing and Moaning about did he tax or not tax are shallow. What's important is that he can win SOCONS and many "independents". He's right on most of the issues and has the ability to disarm HITLERY.
ROMNEY - love his business savy and communication style - we must be able to educate the public about why our way is the best.
THOMSON - dude knows how to get things done. This can not be misunderestimated.
GULIANI - TOUGH, probably STRONG leader, but starting from a little bit to the left on many issues which, in my mind, creates difficulty when negotiating with political opponents.
McCain - wrong on immigration, wrong on campaign finance. Most experience and most strength on foreign affairs. But the areas where is wrong he is dangerous.
Any combination of these gents will crush Hillary and Obama. Too many of the posts here use less than helpful words. Passion for your candidate is important, but we should be able to argue for our candidate without character assassination and demeaning language.
Fred
Rudy
McCain (Really lost me on campaign finance and amnesty)
Mitt (What kind of name is that?)
the huckster (pro-life socialist)
Note that I would pull the lever for all the above in the general, except for the huckster (he really scares me).
1. Romney
2. McCain (never thought he would be so high)
3. Thompson
4. Huckabee
5. Giuliani
“It is not the possession of truth, but the success which attends the seeking after it, that enriches the seeker and brings happiness to him.”"-Max Planck
Huckabee
McCain
Giuliani
Romney
Thompson (How this lazy guy attracts any support I'll never know)
McCain
Fred
Huckabee
Giuliani
Romney
Blogging at Blogs4McCain.com
I mean, if Al Gore can call his stuff 'scientific', I'd say the term was somewhat elastic.....
Fred Thompson
Rudy Giuliani
Mitt Romney
Mike Huckabee
John McCain
And a memo to 'hardcorerepublican' -- Fred attracts support, for starters, because he can lay legitimate claim to being a fiscon, socon, and milcon. And second, because he is running on a return to Federalism and the text and spirit of the Constitution. Third because he stuff like giving Michael Moore a public and amusing slap-down. Don't underestimate the power to get people laughing at leftists.
If 'energetic' is your priority for a good candidate for President, I bet Dennis Kucinich is accepting volunteers.
Stare decisis is fo' suckas -- Feddie
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman
Thompson
Romney
Guiliani
McCain
Huckabee
Undecided. Only settled on number 5.
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Fred Thompson
Mike Huckabee
Mitt. The most qualified republican in my life time. That includes the Gipper. Who by the way, also changed his position on abortion. So for those who critizied Mitt on abortion, should also be critizing Reagon, and he was one of our greatest precident. Reagon who also came from a very liberal state (California).
I dislike Rudy's position on abortion and gay issues,but he has that leadership qualities.
I hated to put Rudy so high, but others are even worse. McCain and his McCain-Fiengold turns me off, and his late conversion to immigration control is a problem.
Fred Thompson is simply a loser. The Democrates will have a field day with him. By the time he responds to one attack, there will four more.
Huckabee will tax us to death. The only position I like about him is his pro-life stance.
Just how long have you lived? Obviously not long enough to know how to spell R-E-A-G-A-N
Tommy Oliver
www.race42008.com
You do know that Romney was a heavy supporter of McCain Feingold as late as his run for governor, don't you? In fact, Romney supported a position to the left of it. Check his CfG paper and the references.
Tommy Oliver
www.race42008.com
You're kidding; right?
Mitt. The most qualified republican in my life time. That includes the Gipper.
Really? Come on... really? Go ahead, take it back; we'll pass it off as a moment of extreme passion for "your guy".
Really?
Well, it depends on what you mean by 'qualified'.
If by 'qualified', you mean he's had more experience in executive leadership and organizational management, then absolutely, Mitt's probably the most qualified candidate ever to run for President period on either side. Well, maybe Ike. But other then Ike, I can't think of a more qualified person if this was the standard.
If by 'qualified' you mean has the vision and the guts to run the county and make the right choices under difficult political realities under fire, then absolutely not. It's because I answer no to this question that I'm not a Romney supporter.
John Bolton for President
"FEAR THE 'STACH!!!"
The best comment by far on this board. Talk about a great Sec of State - freegin terrorists would run for the caves.
(1) Fred Thompson
(2) Mitt Romney
(3) Rudy Giuliani
(4) Duncan Hunter
(5) Tom Tancredo
The Left thinks that the "axis of evil" is Wal-Mart, Haliburton and Enron.
Sorry, Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo aren't in this poll-- post again with John & Mike.
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Finrod's First Law of Bandwidth:
A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it takes the bandwidth of ten thousand.
(1) Fred Thompson
(2) Mitt Romney
(3) Rudy Giuliani
(4) Mike Huckabee
(5) John McCain
The Left thinks that the "axis of evil" is Wal-Mart, Haliburton and Enron.
Mitt Romney
Fred Thompson
Rudy Giuliani
Mike Huckabee
John McCain
Independent by choice, conservative by belief
Fred Thompson
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Mitt Romney
Mike Huckabee
"I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way."
John Paul Jones (letter to M. Le Ray de Chaumont,16 Nov.1778)
McCain
Giuliani
Thompson
Romney
Huckabee
Fred
Mitt
Rudy
John
Mike
Is this how one votes on Finrod's poll Pilgrim? Or must I do something else.
I didn't read the instructions
lazy
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
www.fred08.com
You should also tally the results as they would be if you removed the votes of the people who created an account just to vote in this poll. It may not mean anything, but it may be instructive.
Fred
(Holding nose from here on)
John
Rudy
Mitt
Mike
The last four are like pin the tail on the elephant.
John McCain represents not only our success in Iraq but his service, and his son's current service, delivers the message of a leader who puts his principles into action
Fred
Rudy
Mike
Mitt. hmmm, honestly, Mitt wouldn't even be fifth.
Mitt Romney
John McCain
Fred Thompson
Mike Huckabee
Rudy Giuliani
Thompson and McCain are pretty close- tomorrow I might put Thompson above McCain- both are also pretty close to Romney in my esteem. Rudy is far, far behind all the rest.
Given the last 8 years, I'm really concerned more about who becomes Vice President.
1. Rudy Giuliani
2. Fred Thompson
3. John McCain (it's close with Fred)
4. Mike Huckabee
5. Mitt Romney
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
and happy birthday Finrod!
my list is as follows:
Mitt
John
Mike
Fred
Rudy
Thompson
Romney
McCain
Hunter
Huckabee
“You are not only responsible for what you say, but also for what you do not say. ” - Martin Luther
My stellar reading comprehension missed the caveat about Hunter. So, my order SHOULD be:
Thompson
Romney
McCain
Huckabee
Giuliani - I only include him because I have to. I'd rather just stick with four and leave him off.
“You are not only responsible for what you say, but also for what you do not say. ” - Martin Luther
1)Fred Thompson
2)Jim Tressel
3)Jeff Fisher
4)John McCain
5)Woody Hayes
Long Live the Sweater Vest!!!!!!!!!!
Secretary of State
Gotta find a place for Archie though. Some kind of COS
AND NO LLLLLLOYD in this administration!!!!!!
1. Fred
2. whoever I have to vote for.
Sorry folks, I've been a supporter from the getgo (since he hinted at announcing, not just announced) and I'm routinely asked who my 2nd choice is. I don't have one... but I will vote Republican. As a volunteer and supporter, if this whole things collapses tomorrow, I will be unemployed (as a volunteer) because there is not another candidate I see actively supporting.
Oh, well then again... Duncan Hunter.
he garners is self created by the supporters. He has not exactly been awe inspiring on the stump. His issues are really good, but they are just Republican playbook stuff. I have to think people want to see greatness in him so badly, they see it some how. I still am set with two front runners. Fred because I like his issues, and Rudy because I think he actually wants to win and will fight to do so.
Did you see Fred's interview tonight, with that David jerk from NBC? He asked Fred who his top advisor would be, Fred said, his wife. Fred has already told us he is running for his Grandkids. So basically his entire platform and cabinet will be his family. And they criticized Bush for focusing on Texas cronies. I am not taking cheap shots, this is a serious problem. What Fred is saying is great for a Grandpa, but will not exactly inspire a divided nation.
Molon Labe!
What could inspire this nation right now short of another terrorist attack? (God Forbid.
Sure isn't NCAA football...or NFL
Really, is there any chance of some kind of epiphany for America any time soon?
None of the candidates bring much to the table in that respect. Fred is the funniest, and I like my Gran-pappies like him. He would make the best Santa, so he gets my thumb up.
He just let us know that his family is the driving focus of his campaign and will be of his presidency. Sounds good to me. I don't want somebody up there trying to "save the world"
Carlos: "What? Were they [Democrats]?"
Seth: "They look like [Democrats]? Is that what they looked like? They were vampires.
"[Democrats] do not explode when sunlight hits them."
1. Rudy Giuliani
2. John McCain
3. Mike Huckabee
4. Fred Thompson
5. Mitt Romney
FRED THOMPSON
Rudy Giuliani
Duncan Hunter
John McCain
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Mitt Romney* (while begging forgiveness)
Mike Huckabee*
*The 2 wolves in sheeps clothing! LOOK OUT dont be fooled again!
Rudy Giuliani
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Mike Huckabee
Mitt Romney
Molon Labe!
Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
This is who I would like to see nominated to compete with Hillary.
1. Mitt
2. Rudy
3. McCain
4. Fred
5. Huckabee
This is who I would like to see as President.
1. Mitt
2. Fred
3. McCain
4. Rudy
5. Huckabee
Romney stands head and shoulders above the field in both his positions and the potential that he would be able to reform conservatism, revolutionize government and restore fiscal discipline to DC.
Huckabee is such a nannystater that I could barely vote for him, knowing that healthcare, immigration, taxes and spending would all go to hell.
Rudy's electability moves him up a little higher, but I still don't trust him on judges and I don't think he will be able to reform government as much as Romney.
Fred has great positions (with a few exceptions like McCain-Feingold and tort-reform), I just don't see him having the energy to compete with Hillary or the initiative to actually get legislation passed as opposed to reacting to Congress.
McCain is probably the most electable guy we have, but his habitual leftward lurches on critical issues makes me nervous on every single issue other than the war on terror and pork-barrel spending.
your list:
Mitt Romney
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Rudy Giuliani
Mike Huckabee
Mitt Romney (saying all the right things but can he be trusted?)
Fred Thompson (Love the focus on federalism but does he have the fire to get anything done)
John McCain (I have a ton of respect for the guy even though he likes to use the GOP and/or conservatives has his own whipping boy)
Rudy Giuliani (Great for 2008, but he would fracture the socon coallition)
Mike Huckabee (Would be embaressed in the general election, no chance at derailing the Hil-train)
Our main problems are the pair of foreign wars and our relations with the nations of this earth. Apart from McCain, these guys have no experience. No hands-on responsibility, whatsoever. >> McCain ain't perfect. But he has been working hands-on with these issues -- and with experts -- for all of his time in the Senate. >> Haven't we learned about going for "image" from the Bush disasters ?
...inclusing Ronald (tear down that wall) Reagan. The beef with Reagan was he had NO foriegn relations experience and he was a tax and spend liberal.
and he was a tax and spend liberal
Are you just going to keep asserting this or can you back it up?
I ask purely out of interest. I have noted that Huckbots generally try to change the subject or resort to "everyone does it" excuses when anyone wants to look at the man's actual record. This is just another of those examples.
I don't really care whether people said it of Reagan. If they did they were wrong. This puts it in a quite different category to saying it of the Huckster, of whom it is a very apt description.
The fact that I don't really care what the answer is, is not an excuse for you to evade the question. Can you back up your now repeated statement or not?
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At least, if you discount those term limited, no-one apart from Jimmy Carter and Bush 41.
McCain has no relevant experience at all. What hands on responsibility does McCain have as a Senator? None at all. He has never run anything but his mouth.
I have every respect for his service. He served his country bravely and paid a terrible price. But the nature of that price - the fact that he spent such a large proportion of his service as a PoW - is exactly why he has no relevant experience. He wasn't in command of anyone.
Running a senate office is hardly preparation for running the entire federal government.
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I do believe that Giuliani has at least SOME international experience.
After all, the UN is headquartered in NYC.
And then there's the banning of Arafat from is city...
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But I am quite restrictive in what I count as relevant international experience. Only the President is accountable for foreign policy. A handful of others are key in implementing it - SoS, SoD, CIA, UN Ambassador. Such a person can bring a lot of information to the role.
But data is not the problem. The President, whoever it is, will have plenty of information. What is required is an ability to lead and make decisions.
Giuliani, of course, has tons of that. So does Romney. Thompson and McCain have never been tested. (This does not, of necessity, mean they would be bad. Lincoln was one of the least experienced presidents America ever had). Huckster has been tested and found wanting.
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McCain
Huckabee
Thompson
Otherwise, I'd have see if the dems nominate Biden or the guy from New Mexico. America needs a worker, not a living piece of ambition.
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Fred Thompson
John McCain
Rudy Giuliani
Mike Huckabee
Mitt Romney
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my fave five and my visceral perceptions
rudy-- best experience, best chance of winning,
fred-- Spencer Abraham..
mitt-- no negatives great leadership qualities
john-- (kennedy, feingold)
mike-- (taxes, spending)
and my solemn promise to support any one of these guys in the general
1)Fred
2)Mitt
3)Mike
4)John
5)Rudy
"Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged."
-Ronald Reagan
1. Thompson
2. McCain
3. Huckabee
4. Romney
5. Constitutional Party candidate
6. Guiliani
1. Romney
2. Thompson
3. McCain
4. Huckabee (Has dropped from 2)
5. Guiliani
1. Huckabee
Big Gap
2. McCain
Bigger Gap
3. Thompson
Insert 3rd party here
4. Romney
Insert leaving the country here
5. Guiliani
Dropped on your head as a child?
If you're going to leave the country if Rudy got elected, what would you do if Hillary or Obama wins? Head up to the spacestation?
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Dropped on your head as a child?
Well let's try to be nice to newbies and let them express their opinions.
And there is a difference between Rudy winning as a Republican and Hillary winning as a Democrat. We expect Democrats to be liberal.
The dropped on your heat might be a little over the top, but the leaving the country joke is really tired. Unless the commenter is serious, in which case I stand by my dropped on the head sentiment completely.
“I think we are the team to beat in the NL East -- finally.” - Jimmy "MVP" Rollins, 1/23/07
The leaving the country joke was pretty lame. But, I will leave the country if God ever allows me to go to a mission field.
Thompson
McCain
Giuliani
Romney (he just hasn't gotten me to like him enough)
Huckabee (would rather not even need to rank him)
1. Rudy - most experience governing, strong foreign policy and judiciary team, and there is none better at smacking down the liberals.
2. McCain - strong national security and fiscal conservative credentials. Can beat Hillary in November.
3. Thompson - love his federalism talk and am generally a big fan of his policy positions, but he is just missing something. He doesn't have the energy and doesn't exude leadership like some of the others. I think he's a great VP candidate for Rudy or Romney.
4. Romney - he gets the islamo-fasicst threat, but he's just not experienced enough in this time of war. Think he'd be a good VP candidate with on a 1 term and out McCain run, with Romney then running in 2012.
5. Huckabee - seems like a nice guy, but if you thought Bush was a big gov't conservative, look out.
For me, just a couple of weeks ago I would have had Romney 2nd and McCain 4th. Thompson and Romney are close.
1. Mitt
2. Fred
3. Huckabee
4. Giuliani
5. McCain
Mitt's the unmistakable number 1 for me. Fred's a moderately close 2nd. And I like Huckabee more than Giuliani or McCain.
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are....
1 -- too black and white, and
10 -- not enough choices
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John McCain
Rudy Giuliani
Mitt Romney
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Mitt
Rudy
John
Mike
"I don't understand why the same newspaper commentators who bemoan the terrible education given to poor people are always so eager to have those poor people get out and vote." - P.J. O'Rourke
1) Fred
2) John
3) Mitt
4) Rudy
5) Mike
"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
Ronald Reagan
1. Mitt Romney
2. Rudy Giuliani
3. Mike Huckabee
4. Fred Thompson
5. John McCain
McCain
Giuliani
Romney
Huckabee
Thompson
McCain
Giuliani
Romney
(gap)
Huckabee
(Hunter, hamsandwich)
-hold my nose, but will not abandon party-
Thompson
Tancredo
-cannot vote for-
Most of the Democrats
Obama/HWWNBN
Fred Thompson
Rudy Giuliani
Mike Huckabee
John McCain
Mitt Romney
John McCain
Rudy Guiliani
Fred Thompson
Mitt Romney
Mike Huckabee
Fred Thompson
Mitt Romney
John McCain
Mike Huckabee
Rudy Giuliani
I guess I am ready to put them down officially:
1. Fred Thompson
2. Mitt Romney
3. Rudy Giuliani
4. John McCain
5. Bill Richardson
1. Sauron
2. Senator Palpatine
3. Dick Cheney
4. Romney
5. Giuliani
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It's a common mistake on the Left to call him Darth Vader, but he's actually Darth Sidious. Can't they get anything right?
Fred Thompson
John McCain (never in a thousand years would I have believed he'd be my second choice)
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani (not in two thousand would I have believed he would not be my last choice)
Mike Huckabee (sorry Huck, I think you'll do more damage than Rudy)
My two cents worth:
1. Huckabee
2. Romney
3. Thompson
4. McCain
5. Giuliani (Maybe)
I, actually, like all of them (including Rudy) but strongly disagree with #5 as a presidential candidate. Won't rule him out completely. Haven't ruled him in completely, either. I will cross that bridge when I get to it.
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Based on the 120 responses figures...
1) Fred and Mike are almost mirror images of each other, except that Mike got a few more 1st place votes than Fred got last.
2) Mitt and John have very similar shapes and almost the same numbers, except that Mitt has more 1st place votes.
3) Rudy has a generally similar shape as Mitt and John, except that he has a relatively huge number of last place votes (which from scanning the comments would include a number of non-votes).
I would make the following inferences (again, for this group):
1) Fred is obviously the candidate most preferred by this group, with a large majority (86%) putting him in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place.
2) Both Mitt and John are viewed by many as acceptible alternatives to their first choice (though not necessarily by all the same people). Neither should spark a substantial "walk out" by those whose first choice was someone else.
3) Rudy has fair support as an acceptible alternative, but the high number of last place votes (nearly 30%) suggests that a small but not insignficant percentage of voters here might walk out if he were the nominee.
4) Mike has very little support in this group, and this extent of this lack of support would appear to go beyond "fis-cons" to also indicate weakness among the "so-cons" component of the group.
In any case, both Rudy and Mike appear to be more polarizing candidates than the other three among this group. Also, judging on past blogs and comments, these figures confirm that John McCain has mended enough fences with this group to once again be viewed an an acceptible alternative.
An interesting question for speculation (though probably premature) would be how Fred's support would redistribute were he to drop out.
in analyzing those numbers. Your summary is spot on with what I believe the general attitude on RS for all of those guys. Well done!
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McCain
Giuliani
Fred Thompson
Mike Huckabee
Mitt Romney
I propose you send the results to the RNC and tell them they can cancel the convention. We've picked our man. :o)
As has been stated in other threads, us political junkies are far better qualified to pick the candidate than the average uninformed Joe who gets his news from the MSM and can therefore name only 2 or 3 candidates.
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a caucus!
It is clear that the Red State caucus votes for Fred. Now who is the delegate that gets to go to the convention? Maybe we can get 20 or 30 delegates.
If we get 30 delegates, I would even be for proportional representation: 18 for Fred, 6 for Mitt and 6 for McCain.
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Actually, only McCain does. The rest are Rudolph Giuliani, Freddie Thompson, Willard Romney & Michael Huckabee.
Mitt
Fred
Mike
Rudy
John
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Mitt
Mike
John
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