SC evangelical grown-ups will defy the bigoted stereotype, as usual
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Iowa polls always and caucus results sometimes, play into the MSM lib preferred storyline.
SC kills it, ALWAYS.
The storyline: Evangelicals are simpleminded bigots.
SC reality check: Evangelicals nominate Presidents that Americans elect (unless a Perot emerges later).
The problem is that the MSM spends days and weeks on the storyline sans evidence, and 24-48 hours on the actual evidence.
Take it from a veteran loser to the GOP in SC from 1980-1998: SC republicans, including evangelicals, do NOT practice "identity" politics. They would be embarrassed to vote for Mike Huckabee.
SC picks winners, and their evangelicals, like most in the USA, became Republicans in the wake of the McGovernite national security weakness, proven Carter liberal economic failure and aversion to Court imposed abortion on demand and restrictions of religious free speech.
Huckabee can't fool them.
Let's all remember this column in a few weeks!
He is even outside the mainstream of Southern Baptists, for God's sakes!
I KNOW SC republicans. They will chew Huckabee up and spit him out.
The people that look at recent polls and label evangelicals as anti-Mormon, single issue victims of the GOP county clubbers are ignorant fools. These same people ignore the polls that show these same poll responders who prefer Rudy and Mitt.
Jesus, I have been thru so many election cycles as a loser to these people, all the while HOPING they were the caricatures the MSM talking heads assured millions they were. Back when I was a Democrat losing to the GOP, I was being converted all the while watching the MSM "project" their "identity" politics onto the GOP in SC
But I knew the gray-haired old ladies in the Baptist Choir that voted ISSUES!!!
And that is why I have NEVER been wrong on political predictions.
EVER.
Huck is history in the Race 4 2008
Bet on it.
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The people that look at recent polls and label evangelicals as anti-Mormon
No, not all, just some. I think this requires a retraction. There are obviously some evangelicals that are anti-mormon (some even anti-catholic). But there are many evangelical christians that are voting issues and not religion. But when you get anti-mormon push polls, its coming from somewhere. And please, don't blame the victim.
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those that have no label. Let's discuss "all" and "some". And all in the context of the msm and the number of days same is discussed vs reality.
1 - Huck does well in debates.
2 - Huck's poll numbers go up
3 - Huck run's ads
4 - MSM attributes motives to evangelicals based on ads and anecdotal evidence
5 - MANY OF US OVER 40 REMEMBER SIMILAR SIMPLISTIC "ANALYSIS" IN THE PAST
6 - There are fools that are evangelicals that can be put on camera.
7 - There are fools that are not evangelicals that can be put on camera
8 - Evangelical fools are filmed
9 - Beltway talkin heads are lazy
10 - They stop talking down evangelicals after the Sc primary every presidential election year
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In every group there are sheep and thinkers. Its obvious you are a thinker. My problem is not with thinkers, its the sheep that follow blindly. It's guys like you have made Fred move up in my list to #2.
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sheep! My conservative epiphany in 2000 is a humble one! I look back at the wisdom of the evangelical sheep.
They (SC) will bury Huck if Iowa doesn't.
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
www.fred08.com
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
www.fred08.com
RCP is hardly a base of support for Huckabee. Yet there average has Huckabee up big in South Carolina. And don't say the polls mean nothing, surely they do. Please explain how this is so.
goes into great detail to eplain how this is so. How is it that you people cannot or will not accept an explanation?
eternity.. and will always see reality as the number of DAYS some thing is spouted as truth.
The truth arrives on election days.
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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and with those from Iowa from past years
before
the SC reality check.
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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Unless my lying eyes are deceiving me it shows 6 lines. 3 of the lines are going down, (Rudy, Mike, Ron), 2 of the lines are going up, (Fred, John), and 1 line is flat (Mitt). I don't particularly give much weight to these polls, but that is what I am seeing.
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw.
That is the whole point to my messages on same for the last 12 months. I have been thru this WHOLE process MANY times.
Substance matters in the GOP. (although I am also perfect in my dem part predictions as well, where charisma matters)
Huck is history. I guarantee.
Either Mitt, Fred or Rudy will win SC and the nomination.
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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nominee in 08.
The dems are too far left.
Polls today and yesterday and last month and 6 months ago are
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...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
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It will all depend on viability. If Romney loses Iowa and NH then it comes down to McCain and Huckabee because Rudy is not going to win in SC and Thompson is dead in the water. I seem to remember McCain having a bad time in South Carolina in 2000. Maybe he'll turn it around.
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Even if Romney loses IA and NH he can win MI and stay in it.
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Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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Caucus Cooler: Huck Makes $35,000 from Consulting Embryonic Stem Cell Research Company
I don’t really care about Huckabee’s liberal positions. Well, not nearly as much as this kind of stuff.
Most noteworthy, $35,000 came from Novo Nordisk, one of the world’s largest embryonic stem cell researchers. It seems that when money is at stake Huckabee may be able to look past his supposedly fervent opposition to this procedure
He also received speaking fees and honoraria from churches while Governor.
It is certainly calls into question whether or not it is appropriate for a Governor to be taking a consulting fee from interest groups, as Huckabee did, when issues surrounding that interest group could come across his desk.
The consulting money was funneled through an organization called 12 stops, a group created in 2004 to handle Gov. Huckabee’s book deals. With all the attention Senator Obama received for running a separate PAC and potentially funnelling money from maxed out donors through that PAC, it calls into question whether Huckabee may have done the same
posting the same comment over and over is ground for banning. Try to come up with other ideas from time to time. WHO, by the way, do YOU support?
and link to it, then you should put it up as a blog. If you can't, then you should go drink egg nog and leave the rest of us alone.
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Someone up above (no pun) suggested (some) evangelicals are voting issues, not religion. I would like to see some evidence of this as it goes against what I see on the ground.
As I said in another thread, I see Huck gathering support from independent Evangelicals. I also know a couple evangelicals that felt let down by Bush and drifted to independent status, but who are now firmly with Huck.
Here is a big shift that I see. Evangelicals woke up to politics and rather blindly followed Delay, Rove and Bush. Now there is a maturity in their thought, which is leading to a concern for the environment, the poor and some other traditional liberal issues.
While the Wash. Post famously referred to the religious right as "easily managed" they are, in fact, becoming less so.
So will they re-define the republican party, or become indies - dems?
Its a big deal, I think.
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by Bush and they are leaning towards Huckabee? I would suggest they are setting themselves up to be miserable as opposed to disappointed.
If they are paying any attention they would know this guy is more to the left on spending than Bush. This Huckabee guy is so close to looking like the Rights Bill Clinton it is sickening.
Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion
Here is a big shift that I see. Evangelicals woke up to politics and rather blindly followed Delay, Rove and Bush. Now there is a maturity in their thought, which is leading to a concern for the environment, the poor and some other traditional liberal issues.
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"I also know a couple evangelicals that felt let down by Bush and drifted to independent status, but who are now firmly with Huck."
And this is an oxymoron if I ever saw one. (no, I'm not calling you a name)
"Now there is a maturity in their thought, which is leading to a concern for the environment, the poor and some other traditional liberal issues."
And you read it all in the good ole WaPo, that repository of conservative thinking.
Sheesh! Don't know what we'd do without such clear thinkers like you. Not.
You give me hope. I can live with Fred, Guliani or Romney, but Huckabee brings visions of Carter, Nixon and Clinton all rolled into one. Yikes!
In the upstate, near Greenville. The three names I hear when politics come up in conversation - Romney, Giuliani and Huckabee. From the beginning it was Romney and Giuliani. Governor Huckabee has only recently snuck into the conversation, which tells me he is really just a fad. Once he barely scrapes out a win in Iowa, gets blown out in NH, NV and MI, he will be a non-factor once the primaries get here. (Fred Thompson is polling okay here and will siphon Huckabee's evangelical vote away.)
Gamecock is right, South Carolina picks winners because we're not a single-issue state (abortion) like some conservative bloggers like to think we are. We aren't the richest state, so low taxes, jobs, is big here. Being lower to middle middle class means a lot of sons and daughter joining the military for a career, so national defense, is huge, too. We're evangelicals who care more about protecting prayer before ballgames and Christmas than we are abortion.
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SoCons, frankly, are beginning to live in the world of theory.
A) You're never going to rid of abortion. At best, Roe v. Wade gets booted, it gets kicked back to the states, and (hopefully) most legislate it's banned only in the case of life of the mother. SoCons vilifying Rudy Giuliani, who is personally pro-life, for being the despised "pro-life" as a politican is disingenuous. Like it or not, being pro-choice is the law of the land - Roe v. Wade. Being "pro-abortion" is NARAL, NOW and the Democrat Party - people who are not personally against aborting a child. There is a distinct difference.
B) Gay marriage. Many states are already putting bans in place, defining marriage between a man and a woman, as they should. As long as the law is clearly defined as such and there is zero "slippery slope" that could lead to a backdoor means of giving gays the same status to marry, let the gay community have civil unions.
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and the games played with them by the drive-by media.
Some actually take time to do their homework and find truth in spite of the difficulty involved in so doing.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22365097/
Those who don't buy kool-aid from the latest HUCKSTER to hit town.
Hey Folks,
My dad grew up in Iowa and I now live in Arkansas. This story is just the begining about Mike Huckabee accepting payments from all sorts of hidden groups... He had all sort of 501c4's set up in Arkansas when he was governor. I am not going to tell you how to vote, but I am glad that the truth is coming out about his payments. Many here in Arkansas know about how he took money. He has never released all the donors of these 501c4's that he used to take payments from. Ask Mike about "Action America" or some others that were shut down by the IRS for violating their 990 disclosures. Either way, I think he should release the full list, yet he won't. Also, a very large 527 is attacking his opponents and he claims to have no ties, yet Chip Saltsman and the Executive director of Common Sense Issues (Patrick Davis) who are running these ads are great friends. Also the board of directors for Common Sense Issues has held fundraisers for Huckabee, yet he says he doesn't know them even though he has been to their personal fundraisers. Which would mean all the activity is illegal. I feel bad for Patrick Davis because it means jail time, along with any other person he has communicated with at the Huckabee campaign.
Lets just remember what we are facing if he wins the nomination. I still like Richard Nixon, but I don't want a Richard Nixon situation again, and Mike Huckabee sure seems to operate in the gray areas. I bet more will come, because we in Arkansas don't have a lot of money, but we sure wish we could tell you about a former Governor and he sure wouldn't be reelected here. Ask him how he paid for his campaign bus or airplane. Once reporters hear this one, everyone will be second guessing whether we should support this guy. He is no Ronald Reagan and regardless of issues, he would destroy our hopes once Hillary's machine starts to unleash what they know about him. My Democrat friends are just laughing for two reasons... one that Huckabee has pulled the wool over all of us as Evangelicals and second, because they will ripe him to shreds on ethics violations that haven't even come out.
ARK Conservative
Giuliani took on The New York Times and establishment liberals with relish as mayor, and they HATED him. Enough said about who our nominee should be.
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who the liberals hate the most? Not that it's a bad thing, I just don't follow your reasoning here.
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The liberal establishment hated the mayor, especially the New York Times (calling him a tyrant and a fascist, among other things) because he had a zero tolerance policy on crime; made welfare harder to get, so people had to get jobs (created by his massive tax cuts); eliminated pornographic shops from tourist spots, and pornographic "art" from public display...my point is, if the Liberal Nation calls you a fascist, a tyrant, mean-spirited, contentious, etc., it means you are deeply troubling to them, which means you are doing something right.
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Should be our nominee. We may have disagreements on who the best candidate is, however I caution listening to the old MSM & the elite punditry to tell us who is the most "electable" candidate.
I think conservative voters in general are more informed & look to the issues, records, & stances on issues. For me, it's Fred - for someone else, it may be another candidate. Golly gee, this is what primaries are for. I think the people in SC who are conservative/republican & around the country will do their homework. What will matter is who gets the votes in the primaries & the general election.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman



