Huckabee was not afraid of Tavis Smiley: The Aftermath

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Back in September, when the then poll determined GOP front runners skipped the Morgan State University PBS sponsored debate, I asked, Are Rudy, Fred, Mitt & John Afraid Of Tavis Smiley?.

Notice a prominent given name not listed?

I bring this up because of a long conversation I had over the Christmas holiday with the leader of a prominent Black Republican group in the Washington, D.C. area.

This Black leader is a solid conservative who hates what liberal Democrat economic and social policies have done to Blacks since the 1960's. He is a Reagan conservative who said he would never vote for Barack Obama, based on policy.

Yet, significantly and understandably, he leans heavily to Mike Huckabee, despite some of his unorthodox views, because he reached out to Blacks.

This DC leader wants the GOP to join him. After all, he joined the GOP and has put up with a lot within his community because of principle.

Clearly Mike Huckabee was not afraid Of Tavis.

Huckabee, like a lot of Southerners in general, has a distinct advantage in the area of race relations. He is comfortable around people that are like those he grew up with.

The damage done by the non-Huckabees that failed to show up for the Baltimore debate, but who have shown up for numerous others, is palpable.

Our nominee must reach out and get comfortable with Blacks. If we could get 20% of the Black vote we could destroy the vampire sucking the blood out of the Black community, i.e. the Democratic party.

Conservative policies are good for all Americans, including Blacks. We need to go to the hood and say so and ask for their votes.

My friend in DC knows this, and I know, from my inside experience that one finds much more racism inside the Dem party than the GOP. And I know that none of our candidates are racist in any way.

But we have to empower Black GOP leaders.

(I have not revealed the identity of the leader as I have not asked permission mainly due to the fact of my strong disagreements with Huckabee's actual policy positions. I suspect I will discuss this matter further with my friend at a later date and write a more extensive blog on why I oppose Huckabee on substance.)

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This whole incident would gall me a lot less if the GOPers hadn't attended the Univision debate. Before then, one could make a case that the GOP wasn't pandering to group politics (in particular, race/ethnicity/orientation), while the Democrats did pretty constantly.

Showing up at Univision pretty much clobbered that theory, though.
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Gamecock, great blog. This was the point I was trying to make around Huckabee's rise post-Tavis. I have talked to other black Republicans who are migrating to Huckabee simply because of his outreach potential to the black community. Even moderate black Republicans that I know have been impressed by him and feel like he will be require less explaining away come time for the general election.

Personally, I'm still leaning McCain/Fred. However, I will tell you that the fact Huckabee showed up and seemed comfortable in front of a black audience while stating basic Republican principles would make him a very tempting candidate (if I could overlook my fiscal disagreements with him).

There is nothing lonelier than being a black Republican in Boston, Massachusetts

attacks on all of our guys. Yes, I disagree VERY strobgly with Huck on many issues, but some of the attacks against him have been over the top. Plus, I think Huck will move to the right as he gets taught the Rush lesson!

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Huckabee is a shyster no matter what debate he attends.

His history of raising taxes, nanny state tactics, and pardoning criminals is the antithesis of all things conservative.

This Republican will never vote for the Huckster.

I read every word as I do all your diaries.

I think I understand the point you are making. I agree that the other GOP candidates made an error in skipping the Smiley debate.

But no how, no way, does Huckster's participation reduce the trainwreck that his nomination would create.

least at the top of the ticket. Hastings, you understand that I am for Fred, and that Huck would be my 5th choice, but I do defend his supporters from stereotypical bigoted attacks, Huck from over the top attacks and I do think that we have some things to learn even from Huck re:

passion
vision
empathy

etc

albeit without the identity politics and class envy.

I would say that I think the media is responsible for the injection of religion in such a warped out of proportion way as regards Mitt and Mike.

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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You wrote:

"...and I do think that we have some things to learn even from Huck ...

...albeit without the identity politics and class envy."

Are you saying that we should not emulate the Huckster's identity politics in some ways, but that the remaining candidates are to be chastised for not appearing at a debate set up to pander to one specific race? If I understand what you just said, please show me how appearing at an Afrocentric debate is different from appearing at one designed to "reach out" to any other fraction of society. From over here, the biggest visible difference is that we've been trying to be sensitive to the black community for a much longer period of time than to the Latino community. Perhaps we've come to expect candidates for public office to behave a certain way in regard to some ethnic groups but not others. If this is the case, we may need to rethink some of our criticisms of each other.

Jeremiah 17:9.

Let's also not forget the Values Voter debate that Thompson sat out and Huckabee went to. Thompson lost a quite few strawpoll voters who voted for him in the pre-debate poll, but not afterwards.

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I've never been much of a "moral majority" supporter. The Values Voter group don't speak for me as often as they do, and I don't like how they imply that they always speak for me if I involve myself with them.

This is a group for single-issue voters. My vote is more complex than that.

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If the candidates were willing to do a spanish language debate, there's no reason they couldn't do this one. I think they all dropped the ball here, including my guy Fred.

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The only thing more sinful than the GOP's neglect of Americans of African decent is the left's murderous policies. I looked up the top 10 cities for murder, poverty, and education and all are run by democrats. Many have been run by dems forever and those that have enjoyed GOP mayors haven't done so since the 70's.

Keep in mind that in 2005 around 8000 AA's were murdered in America. That accounts for nearly half of all the murders that year even though AA's make up only around 14% of the population. For further perspective compare that to the around 3800 US military deaths in the entire Iraqi war.

The cost of the GOP's neglect of AA's isn't just votes but lives. That does not discount the personal responsibility of those living in those cities. They did after all vote for liberals and have only reaped what had been sown. It is still the GOP's responsibility, however, to at least explain the advantages of conservative governance to urban voters.

This would seem like a natural for Rudy since he demonstrated how conservative principles improve lives. I hope he better explains how he made NY better down the road. Up until now it seems like he only points out how he made NY better, not how conservative principles did.

If our candidates aspire to be the President of all Americans, including those with whom they disagree, they need to be willing to speak to anyone who is willing to speak with them civilly. Tavis Smiley is a smart and decent man, and the candidates should have been delighted to have the opportunity to debate with his moderation.

"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke

Right now, I am taking off my "Huck supporter hat" and putting on my "objective political analyst hat". Speaking as an objective political analyst, I can say that I think that part of the reason that Huck is doing so well, is that he ALWAYS "shows up". What people can learn from Huck (no matter how he fares in this election), is that showing up is half the battle. I mean, the guy has never met a debate, straw poll, or television interview that he won't show up for. Whether it's the African American debate, the Iowa straw poll, the Values Voter debate, Real Time with Bill Maher, Hardball, or Stephen Colbert's show--Huck is there. In fact, Huck doesn't just show up--he enthusiastically shows up--he shows up "with bells on". In other words, Huck brings his A-game to every debate, speech, or television interview that he does. For example, contrast Huck's speech at the Values Voter's summit with Fred Thompson's speech--I rest my case.

Now, why is this important, you ask:

A.) Because it allows Huck to get his message out to as many people as possible--people who might not always vote Republican--people like me. I rarely watch Fox News, except for presidential debates. I watch MSNBC (Hardball and Tucker), the Sunday talk shows, a little CNN, and I occasionally watch Bill Maher and Colbert (not regularly, though). Anyway, outside of the debates (which I never miss), the only other show that I've seen Fred and Mitt on is Meet the Press. I've lost count of how many television shows that I've seen Huck appear on.

B.) Because like A Texan said, Huck creates the impression that he wants to be the president for all Americans--not just Rove's 51%--when he attends all these different types of forums, TV shows, debates, and straw polls. After the polarization that we, as a country, have had for the last seven years, many Americans (left and right) would welcome a candidate who presents himself as a "uniter" who speaks to all Americans--even the ones that he disagrees with.

C.) Because like Gamecock previously alluded to, Huck looks like he's not afraid to face anybody--be it Tavis Smiley or Bill O'Reilly. That's very appealing in a presidential candidate. People want their president to be unafraid to face anyone, and to want to talk to everyone.

D.) And finally, because if, as a presidential candidate, you're not going to "show up" for everything during the primaries, why do we think that you'll show up for everything during the general election? And, should we really be willing to take the risk that you might not?

One other thing--Last night, I was watching Anderson Cooper. Mitt Romney was in New Hampshire explaining to reporters why The National Review endorsed him. Huck, on the other hand, was hunting pheasants, with voters in Iowa, in the freezing cold. One of the voters that CNN interviewed said that he didn't totally line-up with Huck on immigration, but was starting to reconsider voting for him. Showing up is half the battle. Y'all have a good day. :-)

one show on Fox, as I find it to be the best objective wrap up of conservative news and conventional wisdom conservative opinion on TV. It is my Walter Cronkite equivalent today, and that is

Special Report with Brit Hume

and as you may know, I regularly criticize FNC and even this show, BUT

It is the best we have on TV. ALL of the commentators are great, even the libs, and Brit is simply the best.

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
www.fred08.com

Thanks for the suggestion GC. I'll give Brit Hume a try. :-)

I think you still have your Huckabee hat on.When you got nowhere else to go, you show up at debates that others don't have time for. And when your broke, you attempt everything. Just because some didn't show up to certain events doesn't mean thats a bad thing. Sometimes you have to pick and choose. Huck show up to an anti-catholic church was not a good thing, it just re-enforced who he is.
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to discuss:

a) the meaning of anti-catholic and its relevance to the campaign;
b) the meaning of anti-protestant and its relevance to the campaign;
c) the meaning of anti-Mormon and its relevance to the campaign;
d) having nowhere else to go;
e) the badness of not showing up at certain events juxtaposed to places one did show up; and
f) Who Huck is.

coming soon to a redstate.com near you

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
www.fred08.com

Mitt Romney showed up at Bob Jone's university, which is known for anti-Catholic bias. Personally, I could care less--and I was raised Catholic. Just because Bob Jones and Jim Hagee once made anti-Catholic remarks, it doesn't mean that all of their church members feel that way.

Yes, I am a Huckabee supporter, but in my previous post, I was trying my best to play objective political analyst. It is a fact that Huck has surged out of nowhere. I was just trying to explain why. There are many different theories. The "showing-up theory" is mine. By the way, I'd be willing to wager a large sum of money that, about now, Fred wishes that he'd "shown up" to more events, straw polls, and interviews.

has gotten from protestants and Catholics, that BY DEFINITION are in a theological sense, anti-all others, is that they endorse Mitt DESPITE theological beliefs.

I would remind kripto that JFK carried the majority of Southern electoral votes in 1960 when many baptists and the theology considered the confession of the Catholic church to be anathema to the Bible.

I would remind kripto that the Pope recently said that only the Catholic Church's confession is correct.

The Mormon Church thinks only they have it right.

So? Who cares when it comes to politics.

We all share judeo-christian values and it has been this bond that has given the GOP victories!

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
www.fred08.com

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Has President Bush been afraid of terrorists when he refuses to negotiate with them? Was he afraid of Arafat?

I maintain guys like Smiley are badly corrosive of our political discourse, and they have no business being granted the dignity of participating in Republican politics unless they apologize and turn a new path away from racism.

And I still think that way. If Huck benefited from working with a racist, then shame on him. If he wins the nomination for working with a racist,t hen shame on this party.

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shunning of the Baltimore debate as a shunning of MUCH MORE THAN ONE MAN esp when one looks at all the other debates they didn't shun. If their are any blacks the GOP can reach, its collge students at Morgan State.

But I used the debate shunning as a device to address the much larger issue I saw in talking to The life long black repub head of a major org in DC. This goes way beyond that debate. It goes to the failure of the GOP to reach out generally.

more later (GC has to think before addressing NS concerns!!!)

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
www.fred08.com

I share NS concerns, at least to a significant extent. My earlier reply to which you said you'd get back to me is in the same vein, i.e., when are we "reaching out" vs. "practicing identity politics" vs. "pandering" to one group or another.

I am a married, middle-aged white Wesleyan/Arminian Evangelical Conservative Christian German/Irish Midwestern American NASCAR fan. When do I get my debate?

Jeremiah 17:9.

 
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