Conservatives accept MSM mischaracterization of Gramm comments [updated]

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[See updates at the bottom that include Gramm's clarification. h/t to my Race42008.com colleague, Aron Goldman]

By Mike DeVine, Legal Editor for The Minority Report and The HinzSight Report

I refer to McCain economics advisor and former Sen. Phil Gramm's “whiny Americans about a mental recession” flap.

The leftist MSM lives for taking conservatives' words out of context and fitting it into their template of Republicans’ as racist, bigot, heartless warmongers.

What is so sad is that the Hannitys and Gingrich's on TV and even Hugh Hewitt on the radio don't see what is being done, and end up accepting the liberal template and gotcha games.

This is serious business folks, and its all well and good for us to chastise Gramm for not ever and at all times being aware of the different rules of the MSM game and so cannot live and breathe as a normal human being like liberal guests on TV and interviewees by newspapers.

We don't play the gotcha games to mischaracterize liberals. We have integrity that way, but what we don't do and ought to, is to point out their dishonorable actions in this way, not to mention their immoral policies that do hurt lower income people and create real recessions.

Phil Gramm is a conservative icon of the Reagan Revolution. He was a boll weevil democrat that resigned his seat and re-won it as Republican. No Jeffords he. He was an architect of supply-side economics that produced the recovery in the 1980’s that we still technically live in. He is an economics professor by trade and so knows that the technical definition of a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative growth, which has not occurred since 2001.

Gramm is also a very avuncular, upbeat fellow that likes to turn a phrase to translate arcane econ and was being interviewed by friends at The Washington Times, when he said:

In an interview with the Washington Times, Phil Gramm, a former Texas senator who is now vice chairman of UBS, the giant Swiss bank, said he expects Mr. McCain to inherit a sluggish economy if he wins the presidency, weighed down above all by the conviction of many Americans that economic conditions are the worst in two or three decades and that America is in decline.
"You've heard of mental depression; this is a mental recession," he said, noting that growth has held up at about 1 percent despite all the publicity over losing jobs to India, China, illegal immigration, housing and credit problems and record oil prices. "We may have a recession; we haven't had one yet."

"We have sort of become a nation of whiners," he said. "You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline" despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy, he said.

"We've never been more dominant; we've never had more natural advantages than we have today," he said. "We have benefited greatly" from the globalization of the economy in the last 30 years.

Mr. Gramm said the constant drubbing of the media on the economy's problems is one reason people have lost confidence.

Gramm made two errors (maybe three). His most egregious mistake was to conflate We the People with the American press, when he referred to a “nation of whiners.” Lots of people do this, and it is one of my pet peeves (and Rush Limbaugh’s). That the press decides to run a story doesn’t make it so and that they run a poll, doesn’t make it so.

Reality is. The press produces a product they call news. We too often confuse the two, and Phil’s mistake was easily used by the MSM to make it seem like he is callous towards low and middle income families and small and large businesses that are crying out for relief from high gasoline and food prices.

Gramm was speaking of the whiny press that wants people to think that America is in a decline that only an Obamessiah can save us from.

Secondly, he forgot the logic behind Reagan’s great lines: “A recession is when your neighbor loses his job and a depression is when you lose yours” and, “Are you better off than you were four years ago”?

I give him a pass on the latter, with his “mental recession” given that he was having an economics discussion and it was a good line – as applied to the press.

So, I give McCain a pass for going ballistic. He can’t risk alienating the inattentive to politics and economics sufferers at the pumps and the produce aisles.

What is so sad is that Newt Gingrich and Sean Hannity failed to understand that Gramm was NOT referring to Americans complaining about gas and food prices and the lib dems that have caused same by limiting oil drilling, oil refining and nuclear plant construction as whining. He was not chastising Americans that are suffering from same as imagining a mental recession.

No, Gramm was chastising the press for their false recession stories of the past SIX years!! He was speaking of the whining media and liberals that claim America is and has been in decline for the past 6 years, despite the economic numbers to the contrary that are the envy of the world, lest the GOP and Dubya get any credit.

There is no excuse for this. Sean seemed to get it and tried to challenge Newt, but Hannity lacked the intellect to frame the issue. Newt alternates between kissing lib butt and not. But for Hugh Hewitt not to get it, is unacceptable.

I didn't know rooster's could hear and see so much better than TV and Radio stars. Maybe my 18 years as a Lib-Dem co-conspirator frontman for the kooks helps. Now I'm in the stupid party.

[UPDATES: One is my response to Flagstaff re elites and two, re info provided by Aron Goldman at R408 that affirms my interpretation re elitist "leaders" that take their cues from fellow elites in the MSM]

First, gamecock:

I have noticed that elites and regular folks make this mistake in differing ways, i.e. they speak of "the American People" when they are really referring to what they hear on TV from media elites:

Elites like Gramm do it subconsciously as they exaggerate the power of the media elites (key word elites). Reagan never made this mistake and always made the distinction. But yes, regular folks don't whine about competitiveness.

We "whine' about high gas and food prices and what policies cause them. Gramm was not speaking of that.

Regular folks too often assume the MSM is reflecting popular opinion. Rush fights this everyday.

Second, Gramm's clarification:

“When I said we’ve become a nation of whiners, I’m talking about our leaders. I’m not talking about our people. We’ve got every kind of excuse in the world about oil prices — we’ve got speculators, the oil companies to blame — but too many people don’t have a program to get on with a job of producing.”

“If you listen to our leaders, we can’t compete against Mexico, for God’s sake. If they don’t think we can compete against Mexico who can we compete against?”

I think the above updates fit my original interpretation given that the media are elites, as are leaders as per Gramm, all of whom echo the defeatist whining of the MSM/Dem Party lib template.

One thing is certain. Gramm was not referring to Americans that are suffering from high gas and food prices and complaining about the policies of the leaders in Washington that caused them.

[A portion of this post originally appeared in my Silly (MSM) Love Songs blog.]

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I saw it, and I knew Team Obama would use it to give McCain a nice poke in the eye. And I can't fault them for that, it's how the game is played.

But I contrast it with Obama's Bi-Lingual Embarrassment gaffe this week, a minor slip, but it would have fit very nicely into the Obama-the-contemptuous-condescender narrative. But I didn't see any mention of Team McCain giving Obama a wack on that point.

The D's are certainly not going to give McCain any free passes on any slips that he or his surrogates "didn't really mean" so he's a sure loser if he's not willing to dish out the cheap shots as the opportunities arise.

although I expect they are saving up clips for ads when Americans are more attentive in Sept-Nov, and I did hear Rush and Hewitt play up the elitist merci bo coup line quite well. And Rush did not accept the MSM line on Gramm.

But we have to fight this immoral attack by libs and dems on the GOP as heartless and we have to quit letting them set the template with gotcha games and call them out, i.e. the media as well as the dems on it all.

We need to seize the moral high ground since we hold it on econ policy.

thanks dawg

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It is time for Camp McCain to understand that anything "grey" or "50/50", the MSM will give points to Obama.

Better for McCain statement to say "positive things" in "straight talk"! Anything blurred will be twisted by the MSM for the sake of their golden boy, Obama.

It's about time for McCain Camp to accept this truth of the current affairs of the MSM.

In fact, better if McCain Campaign to focus on townhall meetings and be left out by MSM.

The recent Rasmussen report has shown the "Price" being paid by Obama by too much exposure in the MSM.

Gramm should have known this thing. Now he is also paying price.

STOP GETTING INTERVIEWS FROM MSM. THEY WILL JUST MAKE YOU LOOK GEEK AND IGNORANT IN THE EYES OF THE PUBLIC! LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO PRESIDENT BUSH.

surrogates respond to reveal Obama's elitism when he shows it.

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how "Americans are whiny" is different from "Americans are bitter".

when you are bitter you cling to your guns and religion
When you are a whiner you cling to your latte's and hatred for religion.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Obama was blaming his impending losses on their clinging to

"antipathy to people not like them"

and since it was easier to say God and guns, the MOST IMPORTANT point of that whole matter got lost.

Just like here, we miss an opportunity to attack the meme that we don't care about people, when its the dems that want recessions that produce dependents and a chance to show the MSM's silly gotcha word games.

Sorry man, a pet peeve

so repeat after me, bitter whites cling to

BIGOTRY, god and guns, in that order

Because that is an ACCUSATION of bigotry and thus worse than the god and guns

see?

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Obama laid the ground for two things with that rarely mentioned dis: 1) "if you don't vote for me, you must be a racist; and if he does lose 2) "those bitter hicks wouldn't vote for a person of color." What he said was insidious, but it has been echoed by his MSM proponents.

interview, was speaking of the whiny press that has said we have been in a depression since 2003.

Obama was directly talking about working class whites in PA.

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As crowed by the rooster, Gramm's comment was about the media, not the people, although Gramm should have made that more clear. If you actually think about the statement, it couldn't refer to anything but the MSM.

What Gramm forgot was that people don't think about what words imply, they react to what the media says about the words.

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differing ways, i.e. speak of "the american people" when they are really referring to what they hear on TV from media elites:

Elites like Gramm do it subconsciously as they exaggerate the power of the media elites (key word elites). Reagan never made this mistake and always made the distinction. But yes, regular folks don't whine about competitiveness.

We "whine' about high gas and food prices and what policies cause them. Gramm was not speaking of that.

Regular folks too often assume the MSM is reflecting popular opinion. Rush fights this everyday.

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"we... ought to... point out their dishonorable actions"

But wouldn't that be whining? (^,^)

Aw, heck, we also ought to play those goatcha games you mentioned.

If they say, make them pay.

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What they actually mean is vile enough! Let's play gotch with the truth.

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When do we start? We aren't even doing that, now.

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This election will be won by the wiser, lesser mistake candidate.

No need for McCain to spend too much time on the MSM who have obviously elected Obama. We can't do anything about it!

Let McCain do the right thing: Focus on townhall meetings, and positive policies/programs. And never use "closed solutions" on economic problems - this should always be open-ended based on real developments.

Obama's making mistakes by assuming the economy and market is a static thing. McCain should never follow this wrong principle and should be open to all possibilities.

His latest interview with Pittsburg Tribune on economy is 50% acceptable: In some topics on economics - he is open for discussion and his policy is okey: put everything in the table and discuss. On issue of health care, he gave specifics which are now being lambasted by self-proclaimed economists.

Straight talk! Straight talk! - with no room for twisted interpretation. And BE THE FIRST SENATOR TO FLIPFLOP ON ANWR DRILLING. And use campaign budget wisely: instead of pompous convention, use the money to state-level activities that directly get votes; not on MSM which will surely be downplayed in favor of Obama.

These are the key to November victory.

You are so right about this. And Gramm is right as well. Media is impacting this election in a way that borders on nefarious. I'm working on a post now and I'll link to yours because I did some research this morning that is pretty astounding.

Obama gets that same pass over and over. You let a GOP slip up and there goes the farm.

Great post--fellow Gamecock

Stop pandering the MSM! It's a waste of money and energy.

And forget the idea that MSM will picture McCain and Republican Party as saint and "correct"!

Those are only for Obama and the Democrats.

And stop making "bold" and grey statements. They will just be twisted by the MSM.

You say nefarious? Oh, boy, MSM is the Devil!

If you eliminate both bold and grey statements, then all he can do is shut up. Sounds like a great way to win an election.



McCain for POTUS so the left can't ruin SCOTUS.

Unclear statement is what pulling Obama down. MSM is all eyes and ears to Obama. Look what happened, he received flacks from the same pundits who are normally gracious and forgiving to him. But for McCain and his camp, they won't receive such "level of tolerance". MSM don't buy witty/sarcastic statements from Republicans; why? Simple. They hate us.

But look at the "the lack of something to talk about republicans and McCains"... it makes McCain a real gem and much sought candidate than your 2-cent Obama scattering all over the place. These rare opportunities being given by MSM should not be squandered on "witty and grey statements"... but rather clear and wise statements... with no room for twists, whenever possible. The winner by November is the candidate with least mistakes. Straight talk with clear message is the key.

Finally, why not leave MSM alone? Why not townhall meetings, media info on "actual solutions" such as ANWR drilling, and so on. IF MSM WON'T HELP US... THEN LET THEM LEAVE MCCAIN ALONE. LET MCCAIN BE MORE VISIBLE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, ESPECIALLY IN HOT SPOT SWING STATES.

Note: These don't include "paid ads" which we have full control.

Frankly, I think we need to build our own media, just as we did with radio. And we need Web infrastructure to transmit our content. The figures I compiled this morning astounded me. Media is not only electing BO with words, they're doing it with dollars as well.

It is like we need a place where we can go online to write editorials and respond to events and articles written by others, but from a Conservative POV.

Perhaps also a place where we can gain information about candidates as well.

But . . . WHERE?!

*evil grin*

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I apologize in advance if English is not your first language, but can I recommend that you proofread your posts before submitting? I am trying to hear what you're saying but keep getting caught up with the fact that you omit articles, prepositions, and conjunctions (and sometimes even verbs and nouns) on a regular basis. It just makes for choppy reading and draws away from your message.

Just a helpful pointer, take it or leave it.

Sorry if it bothers you. It's like an SMS to me; I haven't even tried to read it before posting. I'm actually doing my work while reading all your posts.

I'll be careful next time. Thanks.

I'm sure you'd have figured it out in time.

..and I think this should be in the RedState FAQ (if it's not already):

Red State is not a 90's internet chat room or a place to "txt w/ ur bff". If you can't take the time to write a coherent thought, why should we take the time to read it?

Maybe something a little less abrasive.

I had noticed the same thing. I just mentally applied a Russian accent and it worked OK.

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Think of me as moron but a fully pledged republican! He! He!

I'm glad you didn't take offense, none was intended.

I had thought about asking you something similar about your origins--you seemed to be writing with a middle-eastern or east-European accent. Your comments kept sounding (in my mind) as if Kurt Kasnar were reading them. (^.^)

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As a bitter, whiney Independent, I do agree with Gramm :)

The faux outrage and calling it a gaffe are media tricks to spin the truth, fortunately it didn't come out of McCain's mouth or we'd be in this loop all weekend!

Conservatives, please do not let the MSM frame the narrative upon which the discussion takes place.

I also hope that McCain actually will keep Phil Gramm around for economic advice. The guy is an economist not a spokesman. One less economist on the campaign this time around is not a good idea. I know he is still getting advice from Carly Fiorina, but I do not put her at the same level of economic expertise as Phil Gramm.


Extreme taxation, excessive controls, oppressive government competition with business … frustrated minorities and forgotten Americans are not the products of free enterprise.Ronald Reagan

As Fred (or maybe Charles) said today on Fox, let Gramm continue to advise McCain, but keep him away from public microphones.

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Extreme taxation, excessive controls, oppressive government competition with business … frustrated minorities and forgotten Americans are not the products of free enterprise.Ronald Reagan

But Gramm was wrong: that doesn't mean he needs to be crucified, and it doesn't mean he is part of some sinister plot, but the truth needs to be told.

I follow Rasmussen Reports because they are the most diligent when it comes to screening out biases, and because they track Consumer, Investor, and Small Business confidence. All three groups report strong negative trends.

So people are not 'whining' - they happen to be voicing legitimate and serious economic impacts. Acknowledging that this is real (not 'mental') is necessary to deal with the problems honestly and effectively. Protecting Gramm from a very minor self-inflicted wound seems a lot like a case of the Emperor's new clothes -- and for what?

"Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahhabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account" - Winston Churchill, 1921



Extreme taxation, excessive controls, oppressive government competition with business … frustrated minorities and forgotten Americans are not the products of free enterprise.Ronald Reagan

Do ya think maybe that sentiment just might be impacted, just a little bit, BY THE CONSTANT DOOM AND GLOOM COMING FROM THE MSM? :)

Those who control energy, control society.

Rassmussen Report:

Ryan Scully, director of Discover's business credit card said that confidence indicators were down in June in every category of the Watch survey, including cash flow issues and plans to spend on business development. "With prices rising, especially gas and food, just about everybody is feeling the squeeze," Scully said. "People are starting to change their habits and cut back. For small business owners who are seeing profits go down as a result, that means they have less to invest in finding new business."

But Steele put it best:

Market-based solutions - The Keystone State is a model
Michael Steele, The Washington Times, July 11, 2008

While politicians across the country continued to fight over who is liable for the current economic downturn, the Pennsylvania state Senate took matters into its own hands, seeking to provide concrete solutions for a stronger Keystone State economy. Last month, legislators - under Republican leadership - passed a comprehensive tax stimulus package, focused on strengthening the foundation of any strong economy — small business. In times of economic uncertainty, the Pennsylvania Senate reaffirmed its faith in market-based solutions. Republican candidates across the nation should take note of the policies being pursued here, for a focus on small business is a focus on families - two winning themes for 2008.

Pennsylvania legislators engaged in an honest discussion on local economies, what is needed to spur growth and ultimately the necessary stimulus to turn the current economic tide. With the Pennsylvania job market worse-off than the national average, helping to better equip employers to invest for growth in the Commonwealth - as proposed legislation provides - will prove critical...

"Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahhabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account" - Winston Churchill, 1921

None of the stuff you pasted including the part you boldfaced says that we are in an economic recession.

It's not, to paraphrase Barack, just words. Economic recession has a technical definition. Dr Phil Gramm knows it.


Extreme taxation, excessive controls, oppressive government competition with business … frustrated minorities and forgotten Americans are not the products of free enterprise.Ronald Reagan

Small businesses - hell, all businesses - don't survive by ignoring or downplaying negative trends. If anything, they jump on the problems before they're in the red. So, please, listen to what they're saying because it's very, very important.

"Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahhabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account" - Winston Churchill, 1921

While I will grant you, things could certainly be better economically, how many families would be feeling the pinch so bad if they weren’t up to their ears in debt, having refinanced all of the equity out of their homes and living beyond their means, IN GOOD TIMES. Yeah, times are tough, I spent $65 to fill up my Monte Carlo yesterday instead of the $45 it cost last year. That sucks, but it doesn’t affect my spending. ‘Course I pay cash for most everything, and live well within my means. Which means my car is 5 years old, I don’t have an HD tv, I don’t visit Starbucks, and I don’t go out much.

But the economy isn’t “hurting” me one bit! :)

Those who control energy, control society.

People are starting to change their habits and cut back.

Would these be the same people who are inundated with doom and gloom from the MSM?

policy

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Where was it that I read the dem strategy is to shout "get out of Iraq" over and over again, and then one day, when Iraq is a solid country, able to take care of itself, and our troops can come home, the dems can sit back smugly and say "see, I told you we should get out of Iraq". Ah well, I can't remember...

Anyhoo, the same thing has happened here...

They've been shouting "worst economy since the depression" from the rooftops over and over again, and the mis-informed public finally begins to react to these doomsayers, they can sit back and say "see, I told you it was the worst economy since the depression".

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specific refutation with facts and a link.

Homey don't play the old vague "he wuz wrong" juvenile lazy game, but with the fist two letters of moderate in your name and my recollections of your past limp arguments, I'm not surprised.

Consider yourself jumped on.

happy?

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"Mr. Gramm said the constant drubbing of the media on the economy's problems is one reason people have lost confidence. Various surveys show that consumer confidence has fallen precipitously this year to the lowest levels in two to three decades, with most analysts attributing that to record high gasoline prices over $4 a gallon and big drops in the value of homes, which are consumers' biggest assets. 'Misery sells newspapers,' Mr. Gramm said. 'Thank God the economy is not as bad as you read in the newspaper every day.'"

Rasmussen Reports is not newspaper fiction:

...The Discover U.S. Spending Monitor fell nearly a point in June to 85.9, as consumers struggled with rising prices for essentials and continued to lose confidence in the nation’s economy.

...Reduced discretionary spending has been the predominant response for consumers looking to cope with the upward pressure on monthly expenses. In fact, 56% report that they intend to spend less next month on discretionary personal expenses like dining out, or going to the movies, up seven points from just six months ago.

...Since the first of the year, there has been a modest but steady increase – from 48% to 51% – in the number of people who say they have money left over after paying their monthly bills. But of those who do have money left over, 32% now say that the amount they have left is less than the previous month, a Monitor high and 11 points higher than just six months ago.

The rise in the number of consumers having less money left over coincides with an increased amount of consumers expecting an added expense or shortfall of income over the next 30 days. For the fourth straight month this number has risen, reaching a Monitor high of 44% in June.

...Among investors, just 11% believe the economy is improving, while 69% think the opposite. Other data released recently confirms the same trend—the Discover Small Business Watch and Rasmussen Employment Index both fell to all-time lows last month.

...45% plan [of small business owners] to decrease spending, 30% are making no changes, and 23% plan to increase spending. Eight percent of owners have plans to hire in the next few months, while 79% are making no changes and 10% plan to lay off workers

...Among private sector managers, 32.0% say their firms are hiring while 26.1% say they are laying people off. That latter figure is up five points from a month ago when just 20.6% of private sector managers said their firms were laying people off.

"Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahhabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account" - Winston Churchill, 1921



Extreme taxation, excessive controls, oppressive government competition with business … frustrated minorities and forgotten Americans are not the products of free enterprise.Ronald Reagan

You do understand that I'm using Rassmussen's data and not the AP or Reuters?

Rasmussen Reports is not in the newspaper business, or even a part of the MSM, so they're not in the business of selling misery. They make money by being more accurate and less biased then anyone else. They're tough but fair.

Furthermore, I just don't believe that Investors and Small Businesses Owners are making financial decisions based on mental depression or delusion. I honestly believe that their balance sheets are driving the increase in layoffs and decrease in spending. And when consumers say they have less disposable income at the end of the month, you can not attributte that to poor morale.

"Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahhabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account" - Winston Churchill, 1921

in DC

You still don't get it. He wasn't speaking of the Americans that are sufferring from the gas and food prices, but rather the American elitists in the press and government.

last reminder of the facts for you

my time is valuable

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"Furthermore, I just don't believe that Investors and Small Businesses Owners are making financial decisions based on mental depression or delusion. I honestly believe that their balance sheets are driving the increase in layoffs and decrease in spending."

Maybe you need to actually ask a few. We will never again see an economy as robust as the one we have had since 1994, and the people who move this economy will be content to play golf and sail until people like you move out of the way and let them get to work again.

Again, congrats. All it took was 1 1/2 years of Dems being in charge, and it's 1978 all over again.

Idiots.

And now you are push-polling your way into one. Congratulations - wasn't that the plan all along? Except now you all are in charge and are acting like you just got beamed down from the Enterprise and don't know what the hell to do.

Show some leadership, and quit whining. I am OK since I put all my assets in metals and cash when the economic idiots took over the house and Senate.

since at least 2003 and during the 2004 campaign.

They aren't honest people. And just as I pointed out that Gramm never referred to people complaining of gas and food prices as the whiners, he clarified same as referring to "our leaders". Moreover, public confidence polls are not exactly on point either.

Gramm said what he said. It was true, even given the two errorrs I pointed out initially. The MSM and the left took it out of context. Conservatives refused to defend Gramm and to call out the MSM. McCain can't stand straight talk and never could.

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You make it sound as if Rassmussen Reports is some shady polling outfit for hire. Are you really that ignorant that you don't know who they are or how they conduct their studies?

"Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahhabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account" - Winston Churchill, 1921

You are missing the hypothesis that is being put forth.

I'll spell it out:

1) MSM has been harping that this is the worst economy since the depression since 2003.

2) Mis-informed consumers are reacting to the constant drumbeat of "fake and inaccurate" bad news for the last 5 years.

3) Businesses then react to the sound of the consumers' wallets slamming shut.

4) Rasmussen (or any truly professional analysis) then measures the effects of consumers slamming their wallets shut and businesses slamming their doors shut.

5) We then enter a slight downturn, and the MSM sits back and says "See, I told you so"

Clear?

And since I won't be responding to this thread anymore, research the unemployment rates from 2004, 2006, and now. Ditto inflation rates.

Compare the numbers from 2004 & 2006 with numbers from the 90s.

Where does the shrinking disposable income factor in? And what do you think the low-to-middle income Republicans who are facing tough times are going to respond by being told that - in effect - either they're mentally ill or they're incapable of balancing their check books?

Now suppose these 'delusional' folks are really telling the truth, and they really do have less money to spend. How do you think that would effect the economy? Would businesses cut spending and lay-off workers in response, or would that be the 'mental recession' part?

"Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahhabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account" - Winston Churchill, 1921

Disposable income may be shrinking now, but it has been extremely high from 1994 to 2006. Gee, what happened in 2006?

Again, and again, and again, and again, the point is that IF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ENOUGH ABOUT WHERE THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO CUT SPENDING AND INVESTMENT, DEMOCRATS AND THEIR WHINE-A-THON HAVE A HELL OF A LOT TO DO WITH IT.

Are you really so ignorant that you can't grasp a simple point? I believe you may be, so I am probably wasting my time, but here it goes again - since you are a liberal, I do not expect you to understand.

Businesspeople - you know, the ones that actually make things run - invest, create jobs, and expand based on a bunch of factors, not the least of which are psychological. Since the probably already have a lot of money, if things seem to be too risky, they keep their frigging money instead of putting it at risk. For example, if a crew of no-nothing idiots is planning on "soaking the rich" by raising taxes on said people and making the business environment generally unfriendly.

So since you guys have talked everyone into thinking the economy is going to hell in a handbasket, the prophecy will finally fulfill itself, despite the best efforts of President Bush, conservatives, and business people.

I am happy you can read a poll. I am sorry you are not smart enough to know what it means.

You can't invent decreasing disposable income. That only comes from increased costs and/or decreased income. That's reality.

"Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahhabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account" - Winston Churchill, 1921

You can't match a quote with a refutation and even your MSM paraphrase is not on point.

You libs just can't be honest can you?

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"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson

"We don't play the gotcha games to mischaracterize liberals."

Really?

How would you characterize "Lazy Obama Never Goes to Work", a recommeded blog here today?

I guess the Library of Congress is in on a massive conspiracy to lie about the dilligent voting habits of Barack Obama.

Check your tin foil hat, bub.

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considered the greatest smear to a democrat. - Gamecock

you are exhibit A-4,890,234

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...that Andrew Jackson was a Democrat, right? You have one of his quotes at the bottom of the post.

Stick around, you'll see that many of us have respect for a lot of what Andy Jackson did.

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aaanyway, many Southerners think of highly of Jackson as the original Jacksonian. And a Democrat of the early 1800's is not quite the same as a modern-era Democrat.

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me that one man, er Rooster.

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He corrected it - but of course he's not going to get any mulligans for mis-speaking from OMSM.

Oh how I want to see McCain go on the offensive - he doesn't have to do it all at once, kind of building up would be nice. Start with Obama's "ignorance" regarding basic economics on the drilling issue, please oh pretty please!!!

accepting liberal premises, templates and silly gotcha word games, ie lies as truth and quit leaving good men hanging out to dry.

Then maybe McCain would have an example to follow, eh?

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Although Rush and I were right on Dubai Ports and Hannity was wrong.

I agree with much you say here Gamecocky (that is for Huckleberry Hound) and because it is also true :)

But the thing is I think Graham was reffering to much of the electorate. We do have too many whiners, we do have too many people who want the government to solve all their problems and to "fix" the price of gas and medecine. The reason we are in this mess is government has been screwing with the economy, particularly medecine and energy for decades!

I think Graham was also referring to the idea that if everyone is glum and thinks we are in a recession, then we will go into recession because everyone stops spending and investing. It is a fact that if people were more confident, (as well as more intelligent) we would have a stronger economy.

The press is to blame for much of this, and so is the poor school system. But ultimately it is We The People who are to blame, we allow ourselves to be treated as dupes and mind numbed robots who believe anything Tweety and Simon Cowell tell us.

Sure there are substantive reasons for our problems, we have the housing bubble, high energy prices, etc. But what we really are reaping is 8 years of democrat/msm lead crapping on America. We also have had a bunch of know nothings in Congress, in both parties.

Blame Gramm for speaking the truth? NO, I am getting a bit tired of covering for people with easily bruised egos. Conservatives are supposed to tell it like it is.

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Molon Labe!

he has been out of the scene for some time, but I should remember an Aggie. I even saw him launch his failed presidential campaign there. I am stock guy, so Graham will always mean Benjamin Graham to me.

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I apoligize if this doesn't post in the right position. It is
not intentional. Just my first post in this area.
I think the disconnect with Phil Grahamm's comment is clearly
due to a different generation. And definately will not play
with Obamah's recruitment of young people or unregistered
voters.
Phil Graham comes from a generation that never asked for and was embarrassed to take a dime from the government. They took
care of their children, their parents/grandparents, and their
indigent either through their family or their church. It is
hard for them to process the fact that families today have the
multitude of material items and still cannot/willnot take care
of their loved ones but look to the government to do so.
Phil Graham is a good man. But in a society of "me first"
John McCain cannot surrou

John McCain cannot surround himself at this point with men(or workers for those in Atlanta)that have this wisdom and experience. As in the 60's the majority does not want to deal with reality and consequenses. He may able to deliver this access to wisdom in the campaign, however, the tee=ter=totter now favors the "sizzle" not the "steak". If McCain does not surround himself with more "sizzle" and less "steak", he is going to have a lot of voters sit home out of boredom, not for lack of support.

 
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