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China Erects Fence Along N. Korea Border
China has been building a massive barbed wire and concrete fence along parts of its border with North Korea in the most visible sign of Beijing's strained ties with its once-cozy communist neighbor.
I can't believe this. They're erecting this fence, and it's the first I've heard of it? Whither all the hand-wringing? Is this fair to North Koreans who want to smuggle through China? After all, Korean smugglers are just poor people in search of a better life. The Chinese should be flattered that Korean smugglers think so highly of Chinese roads and their black market.
And what message does this "wall" send about China's ethno-superiority complex? Clearly racism against Koreans lives on.
China should forget their physical fence. They need to be seeking a "comprehensive solution." No border security until root causes have been dealt with. First China must agree to spend billions on humanitarian aid to Korea, give Korean manufacturers unbridled access to their market, increase their Korean immigration quota by 3000%, give a guest worker card to any Korean citizen who wants to work there, and put in place a structure by which any guest worker has a guaranteed path to Chinese citizenship and government benefits. Then, and only then, can they start erecting a virtual fence using cameras and loudspeakers. Anyone who puts up barbed wire could injure an innocent refugee and should be dealt with accordingly--as a war criminal.
Liberal Americans, to the barricades! Let's confront this Chinese racism and stop it in its tracks!
I don't accept an attempt to equate North Korea and Mexico
Rightly so. The two situations are not analogous. Just pointing out the insane preconditions we place on dealing with border security.
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"Tradition is the democracy of the dead. It refuses to submit to that arrogant oligarchy who merely happen to be walking around"
-G.K. Chesterton
China wants to control their border because they don't want poor North Korean peasants streaming across it (especially in the event of a collapse of the NK government). That is certainly analogous to the Mexico-US situation.
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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
Nobody else in the world thinks twice about building a fence if they think they need one. For some odd reason a large number of Americans think they need to justify building a fence to protect their interests.
A precedent embalms a principle.
- Disraeli
the comparison of North Korea to Mexico pales in comparison to your attempt to compare the United States with an oppressive totalitarian state such as China.
Just because China thinks it's ok to do something doesn't make it ACTUALLY ok to do it.
"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were and ask why not." George Bernard Shaw
It's not O.K. for China to elect to build a barrier at their border? Great, we're in agreement! To the barricades!
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"Tradition is the democracy of the dead. It refuses to submit to that arrogant oligarchy who merely happen to be walking around"
-G.K. Chesterton
Since we have absolutely no say in the domestic policies of China I'm not sure what barricades we're supposed to be going to.
"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were and ask why not." George Bernard Shaw
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"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
does China doing something make it wrong.
What it does say is that building fences to demarcate borders and discourage smuggling is something nations do.
Policy without control has little effect.
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Evil men hide from the truth, but good men stand upon it.
China's actions are not necessarily wrong. I just don't consider them a viable model to follow.
"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were and ask why not." George Bernard Shaw
the jobs the malnourished Chinese won't do.
Why more Democrats aren't behind a fence eludes me. We know why Bush isn't, cheap labor. Dems bill themselves as the labor party. I don't know anything that hurts labor more than getting their wages undercut by people willing to work for nothing. Not to mention the exploitation of human labor associated with hiring illegals. They don't want to be seen in agreement with rascists who want the border sealed for different reasons.
They expect the illegals new citizens to join unions and vote themselves milk and honey.
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Evil men hide from the truth, but good men stand upon it.
There are a lot of illegal union members and more every day. They are actively recruited by unions. There have been numerous cases where illegals have actually gone on strike.
Between that and all the extra votes for Democrats, since their friends in the judicial branch keep striking down just about any attempt to implement voter ID, it is no wonder the Democrats have no problem with the status quo.
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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
To all of those who have posted above: The point is not that the United States is like China or that Mexico is like North Korea. The point is that walls are not an inappropriate means by which a nation can secure control of its borders.
And if security fences at the border "don't work" like Democrats like to tell us, then why is China building one? Why is Israel going forward with theirs? One is democratically accountable and one is not. One can be accused of pandering, and the other cannot. One can be accused of being unaccountable to an electorate and the other cannot. Either way, they have both come to the conclusion that border security fences have enough value to sink billions of dollars into building them.
The point is what we all have known all along - the opponants of a Security Fence along the U.S.-Mexican border are not opposed to it because they fear about how it will be viewed by the international community or because it won't work. They are opposed to it because they know that border security fences have a track record of working. And that's why we need one - along both borders.
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"Tradition is the democracy of the dead. It refuses to submit to that arrogant oligarchy who merely happen to be walking around"
-G.K. Chesterton
The American people long ago realized what you wrote; unfortunately their leadership foolishly thinks the electorate is gullible enough to be manipulated on the issue.
Incidentally, you can add Saudi Arabia to the list soon.
You want to put a border on our Canadian border? 3000+ miles of border, not to mention our Alaskan border?
"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were and ask why not." George Bernard Shaw
Since its difficult we should adopt the Democrat position and give up --- afterall Al Queda et al are just kidding, they just want some attention.
John
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Democratic civilization is the first in history to blame itself because another power is trying to destroy it.
... Jean-François Revel
Not the lone terrorist or small group. There have been massive numbers of n kors fleeing the tree bark as food country and I suspect China is preparing to put the econ screws on them and doesn't want the whole nation to flood theirs.
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"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
Every little bit makes it harder for the terrorists to get their supplies and people through. Right now Mexico is the easiest point of entry. They can drive SUVs loaded with anything into the country across the border and everyone will think they are harmless drug smugglers or coyotes, like the 1000s of others that cross every day. There is plenty of traffic to blend into there.
Crossing the northern border is a much riskier proposition. There is very little illicit traffic to cover your entry. In Mexico you can buy your way out of trouble or buy protection from the authorities. Good luck doing that in Canada. A Canadian crossing can still be done, but it would be a foolish option considering the situation in Mexico.
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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
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"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
We need a constant control of every squar inch of the border by physical and electronic surveillance means. I think this is of the utmost importance from a national security perspective.
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taunted both Ambassador Bolton and Secretary Rice with "Bush's failure" at the UN to get a decent resolution against Pyonyang. The PRC, they said, had already said that they would ignore the resolution by refusing to check the border. Both U.S. officials said that the PRC had voted for the resolution and would enforce it.
This could be a part of that.
But I don't accept an attempt to equate North Korea and Mexico.