Putting Huckabee's rise in perspective [Updated with some new numbers]

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For the past couple weeks, we've had a lot of diaries touting one or another poll that shows Huckabee surging somewhere or another. Here is one example. Or here. Or here.

Understandably, many Huckabee supporters are getting excited, and just as understandably, many skeptical commentators point out that you can't look at an individual poll and turn it into a trend.

So, with the help of polling average from our friends at Real Clear Politics, I'd like to step back, take a breath, and see where Mike Huckabee is right now.

Nationally
First of all, national polls are fickle. Way back when in July, Fred Thompson was actually leading. That changed quickly. So I’m not so quick to buy into the “Huckabee in 1st place” narrative stemming from the one Rasmussen poll putting him one point ahead of Giuliani.

Looking at the average, he is a solid second and will probably continue to trend upward for a bit. However, Giuliani is not consistently decreasing, and therefore will stay on top barring a sea change.

Now, how much does national polling mean right now? Not a lot. It’s interesting to see that Thompson and McCain are on a downward trend (Thompson more so), and Romney is trending up a little bit. Overall, this is a fluid race. Huckabee’s upward trend does reflect his increased media coverage, but since the most recent coverage is fairly negative, I’m going to point to his YouTube debate performance as well. (You’ll note that the polling pre-debate had him at 12 or lower, while all post debate polling has him 16 or higher.)

Iowa
I call B.S. on that 39 to 17 Newsweek Poll for Huckabee. The polling sample is way too small, and it’s too much of an outlier. However, it’s not like the past few polls had been encouraging for Romney. See here. Basically, Romney and Huckabee are tied, with a slight edge to Mike. (The graph on that page is incredible for Mike though.)

However, we still have a month, and Thompson is going ahead and moving to Iowa. The danger to Huckabee is that Thompson will split those…for lack of a better term, “Chuck Norris voters”. (The Midwest doesn’t use the term “good ol’ boys”, do they?) Now, of course, Thompson might not hurt Mike. Mike has shown in polling to have the most committed supporters (i.e. “Not likely to change mind”) so he could end up hurting Romney or Giuliani. Who knows? (I don't think Mitt is in great shape if he comes in third in Iowa. Still could win NH, but it would be painful. Second at this point would be fine, though.)

New Hampshire
Now. If played poorly, this state could kill Huckabee. Mike is not going to leave this state with momentum. He is fourth in polling, although only second in InTrade betting. That reflects the belief in an Iowa Bounce, but with only five days between primaries and Mitt likely to get the #2 Iowa spot, that’s not likely. Huckabee’s most encouraging poll came from Rasmussen showing him in a statistical three-way tie for second, but most other polls have shown him around 10. In fact, this is the ONLY place Huckabee has not gotten a post-debate bounce. Whatever he’s selling doesn’t sell here.

Michigan and Nevada
These are big delegate states (well, Michigan is), but no one is treating them like a big deal. Accordingly, we don’t have much by way of polling. Here’s all we have Michigan and Nevada. It looks like Huckabee jumped from 9% to 21% in Michigan for (barely) first place and from 6% to 23% in Iowa for second to Romney. What does it really mean? Without more polls, we don’t really know. It’s fair to say he has a lot more support than he did before, following national trends. If we were to take these polls at face value, Romney has also gained a decent amount in Nevada, and Giuliani and Thompson both caved in entirely in these states (although Giuliani is still a Michigan contender.)

South Carolina
This one I don’t understand. Before the debate, polling was wild. Giuliani and Romney were tied, then one poll had Rudy at 9 to Romney’s 17, then another poll had Giuliani leading. And now, the two post-debate polls have Huckabee leading by 6 and 7.
South Carolina is really unpredictable right now, and I want to see more polling in the state. However, this was always a state that should have been friendly to the southern-fried Baptist preacher, and the rise makes some sense. But it’s just SO drastic, and in fact, because his polling was so low pre-debate, he and Romney are still tied statistically. Romney is still a strong contender, mind you, and Thompson seems to be pushing Giuliani away from the third place spot. I’m not sure what to make of this.

Florida
This is erratic polling at its worst, and I can only attribute it to polling different parts of a large state. Huckabee is a solid second in two of the most recent polls, while he is third and fourth in the other two. Well, the one where he’s fourth is the oldest—but it’s the same time as one of the second place ones!! The other candidates are similarly all over the place, so although I feel confident saying “Huckabee is third”, I have no clue whom he’s in front of. Giuliani is still leading by a lot though and showing no signs of that overall downward trend.

Head to head
Rasmussen is really the only one covering Huck head-to-heads, because his rise is so recent. The three polls are here and here.
Basically, Huckabee is statistically tied with Clinton (45 to her 46) but falls behind both Obama and Edwards by 4 points. This is the EXACT opposite of Giuliani, who polls much closer with Obama and Edwards than he does with Clinton. As recent diaries have pointed out, Mike is only second to John McCain in terms of challenging Clinton in Ohio (although McCain actually leads with 51%) and for obvious reasons is the only Republican that would beat her today in Arkansas.

Now, we do have to understand that Huckabee hasn’t faced a lot of scrutiny. But as of right now, it seems like people are more willing to consider an anti-establishment Republican if he’s running against an establishment Democrat. I wouldn’t jump to that conclusion, but that’s very consistent with how my moderate/left-of-center friends feel about Huckabee. They’re only open to him if Clinton wins the nomination.

Conclusion
To say that Huckabee is leading the GOP field is false. To say that he has narrowed this to a two-man race is false. To say that this is swiftly becoming a three-man race between Giuliani, Huckabee, and Romney…not entirely unfounded.

In a lot of ways, Huckabee is where Thompson was when he was weighing his options. However, by being in the race and having worked his way up, Huckabee’s position is less tenuous. He definitely has a chance at being the nominee—IF AND ONLY IF he survives New Hampshire. For his sake, I would suggest he invest strongly in trying for third.

His win scenario is this: First in Iowa, third in New Hampshire, first or second in Michigan and Nevada, first in South Carolina, and second in Florida. This is possible. The scrutiny is coming however, especially on Wayne Dumond and his past tax record. These issues will inevitably hurt him, and may very well deny him the nomination.

Put in perspective, his prospects are not great, but they’re good. He’s in a nice place, but we need to wait for some more validation in polling. Simply put, I wouldn’t bet on his victory, but I darn well would not bet against it.

UPDATE:

There are four new Mason-Dixon polls and they bear me out pretty well, if not perfectly. I called Giuliani's death too early in Nevada--he's leading again, but Romney and Huckabee are a solid 2nd and 3rd. Huckabee's numbers were inflated in Iowa, but mason-Dixon still gives him a 12-point lead, giving him a much greater slight edge than I predicted. Otherwise, I called Huckabee cementing a #1 spot in South Carolina and having no motion at all in New Hampshire (going up one point is not motion).

Good analysis overall, and I agree with your conclusion, in that I could potentially see this as a three-way race.

It'll be interesting to see how the past few days of media bombardment play in the next round of polling. Just two short weeks ago, I was a Huckabee supporter, but have committed to another candidate recently (McCain) after looking into Huckabee's record more thoroughly (and I am not saying that Huckabee's supporters haven't investigated his record; merely that, for me, I didn't really like what I saw once I dug deeper).

In any case, good job! Recommended.

And if you're committed to another candidate, I can think of no better than John McCain. Huckabee's record has not yet caused me to seek another candidate, but I understand how it has turned off some.

Yeah, as a somewhat newly minted McCain supporter, I can certainly understand how the supporters of one candidate can be turned off by another candidate's record. (I know it's hard to believe, but some people out there have trouble with McCain's record) :o)

McInsane? Really? Say it ain't so!

Sorry I don't mean to threadjack.

You're a PA Native yes?

You recommending alot of my Santorum posts last year.

He represented the blue-state socially conservative viewpoint in a way no other candidate really could. Not that I agreed with him on a lot of things, but I always wished him well.

www.mikehuckabee.com

Our mutually favorite candidate

I just hope your mutually favorite candidate doesn't go the way of Santorum did in 2006.

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It's between Giuliani, Romney and Huckabee. I'd say that the Michigan primary will tell us a lot. After Iowa and New Hampshire, voters will probably narrow their choices to those who came in 1st, 2nd or 3rd in Iowa and New Hampshire. Any candidate failing to "place" in those contests is probably out of the race.

This would be bad news for Giuliani if he runs 4th in Iowa (behind Thompson), bad news for Thompson if he runs 6th in New Hampshire (as he is currently behind Giuliani, McCain, Huckabee and Ron Paul) and it could be bad news for McCain who is running last in Iowa.

So, those first two races will probably narrow the field considerably.

Huckabee could never compete with the Clinton political machine. His joking and humor will only carry him so far. A reporter asked him today about Iran nuclear program and he said he'd been campaigning so hard in Iowa, he hadn't had time to read the newspaper or be briefed. And he said that probably would happen again.
If he is too busy now then how will he compete with Clinton??? Better yet how will he run this nation???

Don Imus asked him about his lack of foriegn relations experience and he said "I may not be the expert as some people on foriegn policy, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night."

We all better hope he is not the Rep nom. else we are in for 20 yrs of Clinton/Bush.

lets continue this thread after this nornings program. The next president of the United States will be the guest.

Both are scheduled to be guests on FNS.

Mr. Ed
Straight from the Horse's Mouth

What is Alf from the planet Melmack appearing? I didn't know that Mr. O was loaning him out to other shows.

Actually if a Democrat candidate for President besides Hillary ever appears on the show, having Alf interview them might be pretty darn good.

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Great Analysis, but there is another major factor. As each primary passes, candidates will fall out. With Fred putting all of his chips into Iowa, its come in third or bust. Fred may drop out after New Hampshire, or may just simple be not viableand votes will shift other places.

If McCain doesn't do well in New Hampshire, he will be gone also.

All of these votes have to go somewhere. Most are unlikely to go to Huckabee, especially McCain supporters.

Another factor people overlook, Huckabee has only 12 staffers in Iowa. He is depending on volunteers who have in the past been seen unreliable (see Howard Dean). Even if these volunteers are reliable, coordinating them is a very difficult thing. Then there is the money thing, having the money to make sure your voters get to the polls. There are over 1,700 precincts, coordinating them all is very difficult.

So, how does this Iowa caucus work? You say there are 1,700 precincts and they need to be coordinated.

Can you elaborate? You mean that it isn't a simple as, "You live in county X, so go to this location to vote?"

I have been wondering about this great organization that Romney's campaign has. How does it work? How does it really help you in something like the Iowa caucus? How much different is the Iowa caucus from, say, the New Hampshire primary? Is it just that there are fewer voting locations and there is no secret ballot? Or is there more to it than that?

And it is limited to people of that party. Democrats are not allowed at the Republican caucus and vice versa... and it would be much harder to fake it since you have to interact with the other people there. Turnout is lower because it isn't just a walk into a voting booth and vote kind of situation. We have secret ballots (just ripped up slips of paper) in my state's caucuses, but I'm not sure how they do it in Iowa. I've heard through the MSM that some people host caucuses in their homes in Iowa... I'm not sure if that is the case in Iowa, but it is not the case in my state. Our caucuses are hosted in government buildings (libraries, town halls, schools).
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Huckabee is better positioned to win than any of the other candidates if you look at today's polls.

He is the only candidate who combines strength in the early states with strength nationwide. Rudy is lacking on the first and Mitt on the second. Fred and McCain have neither.

You say that Huck is where Fred was in July as away to dismiss him but I got news for you. If the primaries had been last August, Fred would be the nominee. Huck's timing is perfect and it might not be possible to stop him.

Disclaimer: I'm a Romney supporter.

Rob

But the real question is what states can Huck carry come the general election? I guess if you're not concerned about actually winning a general election, then Huck's your guy.

If Huck does take the nomination, I predict a defeat for him and the Republican party that will rival the 1972 McGovern spanking.

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Huck appearing in the role of my hero, Barry Goldwater? Lambs to the slaughter.

Assuming you mean only taking the South, you're probably right. No way Huck will play well out West or in the NE, the Mid West with heavy Democrat/Union voting patterns and without the usual topics like gay marriage on the ballot to bring out social conservatives in droves would be a loss also.

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Give him a random state in the midwest because he won't take AZ.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

The more I have thought about this crazy 5 way race between the Republican candidates and all of the forcasting, the more I have decided that it would be smart to take A look back at the 1996 and 2000 Republican primaries"> just to see if there is any wisdom to be gleaned from previous intra-Republican battles.

Let's face it. Social conservatives and economic conservatives have been elbowing each other for the Republican party's attention for a long time. We can learn much from looking at previous races.

Don't forget that SC voters are very pro-military and likely to be skeptical of Huck as a Commander-in-Chief. Also, the SC GOP electorate is probably more fiscally conservative than the AR/LA/MS area and thus also not natural Huck territory. Just because it's the South doesn't mean there aren't differences in the political climate.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

I am adamantly opposed to the candidacy of Mike Huckabee the Christian socialist, but it would be disingenuous to say - strictly politically speaking - that his meteoric rise in the polls is anything but insanely impressive. If any of the other four leading candidates had experienced this rise, he would be shoe-in to win the nomination in a cake walk. Huckabee had a long way to come, but he has certainly come a long way.

Hopefully the GOP will come to its fiscally conservative, limited government senses and put down the Huckabee uprising, but even though his tactics as running as little more than a Baptist preacher for president are revolting to me (as a limited government Baptist, myself) he found a seam and he's exploiting the one advantage he has over the rest of the field to his maximum benefit.

Somehow that rings more true than "Christian Leader." I'd like to see that on Huck's next mailer.

Very well written post - thanks. Huckabee's rise shows our Party still has a pulse in terms of what made it great in the first place. McCain and Huckabee are really the only Republicans in the race, as far as I'm concerned, while Romney and Giuliani are sell-outs, transparent ones at that.

Great Analysis, and I think the point about certain candidates dropping out due to poor performance in Iowa and NH is accurate.

One of the points you hit hard on was that Huckabee has to do well in New Hampshire- by capturing at least 3rd place. With the Democratic Caucus in Iowa being a tight one, potentially even a Clinton loss, it's be said that a great number of NH independents will vote in the Democratic Primary rather than the Republican one.

If this does in fact happen, would not that not hurt McCain and Giuliani and help Huckabee attain that 3rd, or even 2nd place in the state?

Check out the daily Rasmussen numbers-- after surging to a 4-point lead on Rudy and quite a bit more on the rest of the field, he's dropped back to 5 points behind Rudy.

Could Mike's peak have already come and gone?

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Gov. Huckabee surge continues. The Huckabee Campaign announced that Mike raised more money last month then in all previous months combined. I saw a poll today that puts Mike Huckabee first in Florida. Being number one in Florida is quite a feat as most Floridians from up north are moderate republicans. If the Mayor loses Florida, its all over.

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