Andrew Sullivan censors Ron Paul supporters, lies to them about it
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Here at RedState, we were 100% honest and straightforward about our new policy regarding Ron Paul spammers. It's our site, it's private property, and it's a user-driven community, which means that its functionality is largely dependent on our users playing well with others (which is a large part of why we have the Posting Rules linked at the top of the page, and why we reserve the right to ban folks who come here for the sole purpose of spamming or causing trouble).
After the story of our "ban on Ron Paul supporters" (a misnomer) was taken to the press (without our being consulted about the facts or the details), several stories came out about the policy, and they were, of course, run with by members of the leftosphere and the fake-rightosphere. Included in the latter was fake-conservative (and strikingly detached from reality) Andrew Sullivan, who said:
I don’t think I qualify as a Neo-Nazi or a Code Pink activist. Full Wired story here. But here’s a simple message to Ron Paul supporters. You’re welcome here. The Dish believes in expanding the range of debate among conservatives, not crushing it. And any cursory look at the degenerate state of American conservatism would not lead you to think your problem is too much diversity of opinion.
Need some evidence that Sullivan, whose IQ has apparently deteriorated to a number lower than the aggregate total of letters in his last name, is both detached from reality and 100% not interested in "welcoming" the MoRon wing of the political spectrum to his site?
As usual, he does not have comments enabled, either on that post or on any other. Now, Sully can, of course, feel free to come here, where we have open comments, and explain exactly how it is that having a site that nobody can comment on serves to "[expand] the range of debate among" anybody -- as well as how there is any "diversity of opinion" there, save for counting himself and his opinion multiple times (something which I wouldn't put past him).
You see what you're doing, Sully? You're censoring Ron Paul's supporters. They can't post anything at all on your site -- you are clearly violating their right to freedom of speech.
Oh, and by the way, "the degenerate state of American conservatism"? What's degenerate, friend, is fake-conservative, censoring liars like yourself.
But hey, don't worry -- nobody can tell you that to your online face. After all, comments are disabled at your site.
Leon and Thomas have covered a bit of this ground, as well.
(h/t The Pirate's Cove)
we should send him polite emails noting that he's the height of hypocrisy.
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Is email him six times a day with pro-Ron Paul messages, then complain when he declines to print every single one of them.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
I am not saying this site does it, but I have seen other right wing websites suppress comments by Ron Paul supporters. They simply will not allow any to be posted.
He never has any useful thoughts on anything anyway. He's full of a lot of anger and...well...that's about it.
I stopped reading him a long time ago. Sully's a blogging pioneer, to be sure. But I'd forget he's still out there if people didn't link to him like this.
And of course he doesn't allow comments. He never will. Do you ever wonder why?
If so, go find the interview Hugh Hewitt did of him back when his book came out. He just doesn't stand up very well to being challenged. He gets unglued and angry very quickly.
It's kinda sad really.
MoRons are as welcome as anyone else to send fawning letters of praise to Andrew, complimenting him on his integrity as the I Am Legend of True Conservatism.
He'll print them.
LibertarianHawk states above that Andrew Sullivan is a "blogging pioneer" as a throwaway preface to noting his complete and total irrelevance in most blog debates of consequence. However, he didn't get his start in blogging, but rather with such one-way print publications as The New Republic. Someone with that background is not really a blog "pioneer;" someone who gained their voice -- and democratized the voices of others -- is someone who really deserves that label. Sullivan is/was a freelancing convert and a useful (sort of) big (somewhat) established name to paint on the blog bandwagon in its very early days to promote the idea's credibility. But he was brought up and trained in a very different world.
All of which I bring up -- as both a Daily Kos user (well, not so much for the last two years, I'm in Peace Corps at the moment and will be for another month) and RedState user (perhaps enough people remember me to avoid getting banned after outing myself as a DKos user) -- to note that the repetitious labelling of Sullivan as a "fake conservative" and a "far left" blogger in the "category" listing is unnecessary and off base, since the issue of hypocrisy and denial of commenting rights isn't political. Many blogs on both sides allow comments, and many blogs on both sides -- usually by "established" print publication names -- don't. Sullivan, whatever his feelings on his adopted form, is not utilizing the single most innovative aspect of the blog form besides ease-of-distribution by denying comment rights and the consequent interactivity. Clearly he is still a print commentator at heart.
So the issue isn't that he's a fake conservative or a liberal, it's that he's a fake blogger.
The issue isn't so much that he doesn't allow comments, that's his privelege. The issue is that he claims "Ron Paul supporters are welcome here", but he gives them no opportunity to comment, and so far, no signs that they are going to be guest-blogging either. So it's a fake offer - all he means is that they are welcome to visit his web site, which applies to any other site out there already, including Red State.
Andrew Sullivan is a picture perfect example of an ivory-tower denizen. He went straight from college to writing opinions, with no other work experience, not even in journalism. And now he thinks he's an expert on everything.
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I think Socrates had Andrew Sullivan in mind when he spoke about the people who had a little narrow knowledge and so thought they knew everything about anything and were models of virtue in their own minds.
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We ban 'em when they forget, and act like stereotypical* dKos posters. You know, swearing, screaming and calling us all fascists.
Moe
*Adjective added just to show that I'm a nice guy.
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Yes. I fly back on Pearl Harbor Day. And after I'm done eating who knows how many Arby's roast beef sandwiches and Krispy Kreme doughnuts, I'll start posting here and on Dailykos again.
...also, the seas will lose their salt and become oceans of lemonade.
One can't be a "fake blogger" if they write a weblog. I'm no fan of Sullivan, but he is a weblogger. Weblogs are simply forms of writing. Whether he's a good one is another question.
the general tenor of The Atlantic and the cultic muse of the average Ron Paul poster, let us wish them all well, now united in wedded bliss.
For those who have heard the Phil Hendrie Radio show, he has a recurring character (for those unfamiliar Mr. Hendrie plays the role of the host and in a variety of voices, plays the guests, with the outraged callers providing the true comedy). Anyway one of Mr. Hendrie's characters is a "Doug Danger" who constantly reminds the callers that he is a "gay man and a gay journalist". Therefore, everything is from the perspective of being a gay man/gay journalist. Doug goes to the movie? His review is from a gay man/gay journalist. Doug goes to the grocery store? He shops as a gay man and a gay journalist.
Such is the "real life" Andrew Sullivan. In true David Brock-fashion (although I don't know if Mr. Sullivan has "converted" or "seen the light" yet?), Mr. Sullivan poses as a "conservative", but of course a "Gay conservative". Presumably he must be against the alternative minimum tax and has of yet not called for the abolition of the military? therefore, in mainstream media eyes and by his own description, Mr. Sullivan MUST be a conservative "gay" man. What a farce! Mr. Sullivan is the living epitome of Doug Danger and should be seen for what he truly is. Namely a posuer who is obsessed with his love of sodomizing or being sodomized by another man and is no more a "conservative" than any of the red state Democratic Senators who pose as such in (at most) the last year of their current term in preparation for re-election.
It must be Friday!
" in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."
Abe Lincoln
Heck, I swore up and down about the FMA myself, back in 2004. And I don't even mind that Sullivan is still feeling betrayed by President Bush over the latter's social policy positions. What makes me roll my eyes is his unconscious assumption that the President and the GOP have taken these positions primarily to affront Andrew Sullivan personally - and although that general attitude may not be, ah, unique in the blogging world, it's still annoying.
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think some of the other RS regular commenters would find it vile and mean?.. Not that you can cater to everyone...
" in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."
Abe Lincoln
It's legitimately difficult to critically discuss gay issues in this culture without stepping on a rhetorical land mine somewhere. The truth of the matter is that Andrew Sullivan does obsess over his sexuality... and that Sullivan would probably (rightly) respond that he in fact merely as freely expresses it in his writing as he would if he were instead a straight man.
Hey, they can't all be easy moderation decisions.
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"Namely a posuer who is obsessed with his love of sodomizing or being sodomized by another man ... "
Well that was pleasant, reasonable, compelling, and persuasive.
Real Nice. Classy too.
absentee
that's the problem. At this rate he will begin attacking the weather reports unless they are delivered with an affirmation of gay marriage.
Pity, because there's real talent there, now basically wasted.
We've lost Arianna Huffington and David Brock. What's next Larry Craig runs for re-election as a Democrat and Mark Foley makes a comeback as a Democrat? Can we bare such losses?
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Give Sullivan the benifit of the doubt. It may very well be the only thing he knew about this recent contraversy is what he read about in the media.
If he posted to a blog, he obviously has access to the internet. If he has access to the internet, it takes about 5 seconds to type in the website and see what's there. Once there he can poke around a bit and see what he can see. I'd think a "journalist" or even a minimally competent blogger could see the link titled "Posting rules" and follow it. I think even someone reporting for a 6th grade school newspaper could manage that.
Nope, there's no doubt to give here.
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"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greater dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."
I am a registered Republican and have no affiliation other than as an American. I'm new at this online thing, so please be gentle.
I'll be honest and say that you're probably not going to last long here because this type of "woe is us" comment has become all too common recently and is almost a 100% indicative of an idiot attempting to passive-aggressive troll for someone that shall remain nameless.
So here's the deal. Discuss anything you want. Just do not mention, reference, hint, allude or in any way lead anyone to believe that you have any form of positive opinion toward that someone who shall remain nameless for the next few weeks/months ... and you'll be fine.
Thanks for that warm welcome. I'm happy to be received in such an open-minded forum. To be clear, however, I troll for no one. I will only espouse original opinions and when I have something to say, it will be plainly stated and in no way inferred.
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