Unleash McCain
By John Evans Posted in 2008 | John McCain — Comments (83) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
Promoted by absentee.
In the movie "Troy", which depicts the destruction of the city of Troy by the ancient Greeks, there is a part where two of the Greek leaders are arguing about whether to bring Achilles into the fight. One of them, who believes he is too dangerous, warns against it, saying, "We can't control him." The other responds, "We don't need to control him. We need to unleash him."
The Greeks in the movie feared Achilles because he wasn't fighting for them. He fought for himself, for his own glory, and he took orders from no one. Yet he was their only hope of defeating the Trojans, and as a result they took the risk of using him to accomplish their ends.
McCain is our Achilles. Although he runs as a Republican, he is not beholden to the Party, does not run to implement the total orthodox conservative set of ideals, and swears fealty to no one. As a legislator, he has been unpredictable, sometimes aiding conservatives as with Iraq and fiscal responsibility, other times turning against them as on immigration, ANWAR drilling, and global warming. When the conservative movement says "jump", he is as likely to say "screw you" as "how high?"
Yet, like Achilles, he is powerful. At a time when Republicans seem destined to lose big on all levels this election cycle, McCain holds the line against Obama. His maverick reputation, war record, and propensity for "straight talk" give him the independent/conservative Democrat support he needs to build on a fractured Republican base and defeat Barack Obama.
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Make no mistake, beating Obama should be priority number one for the GOP. Obama's dangerous mix of radical socialist views masked by deceptive charisma threaten to move this country further to the left than FDR did with the New Deal or Lyndon Johnson with the Great Society. Obama will have a Democratic legislature, thousands of press secretaries in the media, and a shallow populace easily swayed by a hip-looking, smooth-talking con artist. The possibilities for him are endless.
McCain can stop him, but not the way he's being handled. We, the conservative movement, are trying to keep him on a leash. We insist he adopt all our viewpoints, virulently bash him when he doesn't, and tighten the choke chain when elements of McCain's real personality, like hostility to corporate wrong-doers (legitimate or not) and global warming belief, show themselves. We desperately want to control him; It's a bad idea. McCain's highly-developed sense of honor, burning with indignation at those who he feels don't do the right thing, may disturb us when he goes on anti-corporate rants, but it's who he is. His environmentalism may give us headaches, but it's ingrained into his personality. Every time his advisers try to force a canned speech or "explain" away something he says, they are diluting something powerful. It was the unscripted, unfiltered McCain that gained the admiration of many Americans, and if we try to change that, we change the very thing that gave him a chance against Obama in the first place. And trust me, even though McCain is only a conservative's best friend part of the time, Obama is our worst nightmare all the time.
Just as the Greeks held their breath, swallowed their fears, and set Achilles loose to destroy the Trojans on his own terms, we should stop trying to make McCain sound like Ronald Reagan, let him off the leash, and watch him sweep our enemies out of the way. As John McCain.
if we don't overhype the potential of McCain "unleashed" before it happens. It will be less than dramatic if he continues using a TelePrompTer.
not the one we might have preferred. And it's a battle we must win.
Yes--but he's the one WE prefer: signed, Clinton Democrats.
Excellent article.
Also, somehow, we have got to get Obama away from the teleprompter. I want to see him at a nationally-televised town hall meeting with Senator McCain mentioning the "57 states" or talking about children and "breathalyzers." He is gaffe-prone when he's not reading David Axelrod's scripted words.
I would love to see McCain lose that temper He's suppose to have . Where is it? The media would have a field day. But if it was something that conservatives are passionate about that would give us something to get excited over. We don't need a loose cannon just one on target.
all crazy over immigration... That will do it...Not in the way you are expecting though...
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
I once saw in a daily newspaper.
The first panel showed a dog walking past a wire fence. Behind the fence, there was a bigger, meaner-looking dog barking and growling from a doghouse. The second panel showed the dog behind the fence following the first dog, still barking and growling. The last panel showed a hole in the fence and the bigger dog running back to its doghouse.
Moral : A very aggressive dog on a leash may not turn out to be as aggressive once the leash is removed.
As to McCain, as with Achilles, the problem is that both of them have their own motivations. Under slightly different circumstances, you could see Achilles fighting the Greeks on the side of the Trojans and McCain following the lead of the Democrats in Congress.
It was bad enough these past seven plus years with GWB trying to share his Twinkies with the Democratic leadership while throwing his Republican allies under the bus. We will have more of the same with McCain.
McCain is the antithesis of a loose cannon. His "maverick" stances are political calculations. That's not an indictment, that's the evolution of a career politician.
I'm not saying McCain doesn't have his principles, but Achilles doesn't strike me as someone who would draft a compromise with the Greeks.
Sorry, the analogy is dead wrong.
I say the diarist is right. McCain has always been a rebel, long before his political service. He does say what he believes. Sure, all politicians calculate, for example they don't all call Tom Harkin an ())*^&^ every time they at a mic. But your are demeaning McCain, and not with his lack of conservatism, you claim he lacks principles and fail to back it up.
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He is our current "leader"...but he is absolutely not conservative. He is hard-headed and given to press advanced ideas (more liberal than most), that's for sure. I guess that makes him a rebel...who would know (ah, don't forget the press, they grant the positions)... Well, all I can say is him better than Omama.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
For months these arguments ar what I have been trying to convince Conservatives of. We need to defeat Obama to save our Courts, the military, and our worldwide position.
McCain is the perfect candidate and the only hope we have to stop a far worse fate from befalling us. If EVERY Republican would simply acknowledge he is the best we have and go out and work for him, we can stop an Obama Administration from humiliating this country..
"Small town folks get bitter after which they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment"- Barack Carter Obama
McCain is neither the perfect candidate, nor is he the best we have. His is the candidate we have, and therefore has the best chance to beat Obama. Four years of McCain is preferable to four years of Obama, in many respects. But McCain will have to continue to lean away from Republicans, in hopes of garnering the votes D's and I's. His balancing act will have to be not pushing away too many R's. McCain is in the singular position of being the only hope the R's have, while at the same time being the R's Achilles Heel.
"The day you think you know it all is the day your trouble starts."
Yes, he is our candidate - flawed as he is, and he is slightly better than Obama...well, now doesn't that just get you excited about voting for the Republicans! Geez...
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
You describe Achilles perfectly but McCain is no Achilles.
Even though he sneared at and held the King in contempt, he fought for the Greeks and didn't stab his natural allies in the back let alone piss on those trying to rally to his cause!
Cute analogy to be sure...too bad it misses the mark!
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Achilles heel is the least of his worries... The kings men are and will continue to revolt... You just don't yet realize your situation. Too bad too, since Obama may win as a result.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
and I can't describe for you the anguish I have over it...I've lost no end of sleep about it because I really do love this party because of it.but my take is this...
McCain needs to pick the right Candidate so we know this time in the wilderness for us will be brief because I'm not in for 12 to 16 years of moderate POTUS candidates with an R by their name.
As important as the SCOTUS nominees are that I keep hearing about...There is another looming issue that no one is talking about and that is the 201o Census that will determine apportionment and the number of delegates from Red and Blue States. The RINOs in this party and McCain have really put our backs against the wall...because if the Dems control what happens after the Census...we're in real trouble for at least 10 years. If we have to clean house...it needs to be now...not two years from now when the congress after that will deal with the Census and all it's issues!
There are a lot of factions to consider like the ones above and we're foolish to just blindly vote to for McCain without considering the effects on Republicans down ticket and the effects he will have on SCOTUS nominees as well as the 2010 Census!
By aceintx
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I haven't noticed anybody holding him back - least of all the *ignored* wing of the party. I think he's been plenty unleashed and we've seen plenty of the 'real McCain'. Nor do I think he is any great and mighty warrior for the party or for conservatives, as witnessed by your own words:
When the conservative movement says "jump", he is as likely to say "screw you" as "how high?"
The fact that you think that is a good thing, well, I'll just say you and me ain't after the same things at all.
Caleb? What up with this anyway?
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him back... just not the ones voting for him. It's a shame, but that will be the end result. Yes, think conservative - stay at home....
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
Is Lindsey Graham his Patroclus?
Heh. That's kinda mean . . . to McCain.
in simplistic political terms... Don't you all realize that this election could bring about devastation within our own government. This is the tsunami of our time - and it is passing by as if just a ho-hum - normal event...
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
Let Reagan be Reagan, yet, no one could control him. he was exactly who he was, not perfect.
Well McCain is sort of like that, only less perfect.
/well a lot less
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
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Well McCain is sort of like that, only less perfect.
Brother...you said a mouthful
By aceintx
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If Obama gets in too deep, the Supers can sway to Clinton. McCain needs to get a few jabs in to keep Obama weak while saving the haymakers for the later rounds.
Loved this article- yes, McCain unleashed in an authentic maverick way will defeat Barack Obama. McCain is the only Republican that can in this environment for Republicans still hold steady in polls against Obama. Now, with many Hillary supporters, like myself, coming to McCain, should make it easier.
Plea from this Democrat but a proud American first- let us all do everything in our capacity to elect McCain and defeat Obama. Our nation and the world cannot afford an on the job naive but arrogant trainee as the POTUS
I've told several of my Dem friends that Obama must really be the Messiah. He accomplished a miracle, he made me feel sorry for Hillary. :)
"If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country."
I think the fact that one of the few here singing his praises is a Hillary Supporter just about says everything we need to know doesn't it?
Did the Trojans support Achilles?
By aceintx
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Hi buddy! Glad to see you here. But remember, the MSM claims we Clinton Dems/PUMAs are just "sheeple," don't have brains of our own and will soon run back to the fold. NOT! Ha! ha! McCain for president--all the way!!!!
do you purpose we "unleash" McCain? I don't see any of us actually holding him back. The Republican party now consists of (in my opinion) you McCain backers, complete with pom-poms, pushing him onto the world, and those non-McCain backers who are pretty much just going to hold our noses and pull the lever for him come November.
You might have a point if we hadn't gone through all this turmoil a month or two ago where it was pointed out over and over again how critizing McCain was against Redstate and Republican interests. Yes, I know, it was pointed out that we should critize McCain when he was wrong, but I noticed the general tone when that was put into practice was that the guy is apparently never wrong.
If it helps you at all, I hearby UNLEASH McCain!
He is against the war in Iraq and follows along with many populist talking points, like "Republicans are for business" and other lefty nonsense. However, he does not like the Dem nominee (or HC for that matter). Just before Johnny Mac's resuscitation, I told Dad to hang on and he'd be able to vote for McCain, who he said he did like. At that time my Dad was saying "McCain doesn't have any money." So I emailed the Rasmussen link to him to keep him interested.
There is a groundswell out there who would "never vote for a Republican" who nonetheless are going to vote for John McCain. Why look a gift horse in the mouth? Whether it's a Trojan horse or not, we will not know until the fullness of time. But I'd rather see McCain sworn in in January than Obama, so case closed. I too went through my wailing and my gnashing, and I certainly can't begrudge anybody their 3rd party tantrums or fantasies of revenge (ivotedforperot).
Keep dialoguing, or better yet. Pray on it. We Are All In This Together.
The free exchange of ideas inevitably yields both heat and light.
The public associates how well a president or congress is doing with the party. We have the candidate that can when in this environment. Once we elect McCain and positive things happen we may be able to convey that to the congressional election of 2010 and put good concervatives in.
I believe McCain has the same problem I saw when Reagan was campaigning early on in his political life. He was being overhandled. The handlers convinced him not to take risks and be himself. The real Reagan didn't come out until he took charge of what he was going to say and told the handlers to deal with it. The electorate loved it and the rest was history. I think McCain has a lot to say that will resonate with the voters if he will only shake off those who want to "mold him" into the perfect candidate. The voters are ready for a "tell it like it is" President who has common sense solutions for problems. If you aren't sure just look at Newt Gingrich's web site re: the "Drill Here, Drill Now" issue and see how many folks have singed on. It's a simple solution to a simple problem and they are buying it. McCain needs to jump on this issue and other issues that touch the voters pocket books with the same enthusiasm. If he does, he's a winner in the fall.
Drill here, Drill now?
I thought McCain was for keeping ANWR pristine and letting Arnold keep drilling for occuring off California?
By aceintx
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he can be persuaded to move on the issue when the pressure builds. He seems to be a pragmatist which is more than can be said of Obama...
It should read, McCain, UNLEASH!
I don't believe McCain compromises with the left. He uses the left to promote things he believes in. Some of those things drive me and most conservatives crazy. Sometimes he uses conservatives to promote things he believes in. And we all like it when he does that.
What is clear is that up to this point he has only unleashed his fury against conservatives. He speaks out against liberal court ruling and the occasional stupid left idea about the war on terror, but he is always careful and in control. Only against fellow republicans or 'big business' does he go off the deep end.
It has been that way a very long time. I have heard no examples of his 'handlers' restraining him from anything. They certainly didn't hold him back from Romney. He relished introducing Mitt to a little old time political mud slinging.
Please McCain, UNLEASH on the other side for once!
won more battles. When I was a correction's officer rushing a cell to take down a wayward scumbag, I counted on my buddies to have my back as I did theirs. Those relationships were based on years of cultivated friendships. They were also based on the trust built up from dangerous encounters with inmates. Trust wasn't just given. A presidency is not so different. In my estimation, McCain needs to conform himself to us if he wants to have any congressional coattails that will have his back. I'm voting for him regardless, but he needs to consider the support he'll need to implement his agendas.
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Whether it's by talk radio wondering if strategically it's worse to have Obama or McCain (are you kidding?) or it's Carolinians going nutzoid after he didn't want that ad showing, or it's social conservatives that blow him off for immigration even though he's openly pro-life and anti-gay marriage, McCain is left herding cats instead of winning against an IDIOT, Barack Obama.
Everybody is so thin-skinned it's like any position he outlines outside of our own is some kind of personal affront. I used to feel the same way about him, that was called THE PRIMARIES.
McCain needs to know that he is going to get his base, now go get the rest of what you can. The guy is irritating, but honorable. Obama is a joke. Not voting, in this election, is pathetic. We can't just clean up the messes that will be made.
The time to correct what we see wrong with McCain is next time around in the primaries. For now, we need to win, and we need McCain to know we're voting for him, and we need him to go kick some serious ass.
I don't care whether the analogy is correct, we need a candidate secure enough in the base to just go win, instead of a guy walking on eggshells because suddenly the conservative movement has thinner skin than dems somehow. It's insanity.
That's all well and good...but he's not tryimg to "get his base" he's too busy throwing poop at us like some crazed babbon at the zoo!
If he wants my support...let him earn it instead of demanding it while crapping on everything I believe in!
By aceintx
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Looked it up. I initially thought you meant baboon, upon further investigation though I found out that it's apparently a somewhat mentally challenged democrat voter who just wants to have the government keep them in food and shelter without having to do anything accountable. They apparently throw their feces at conservatives who question this logic...
Thought you might need help here.
But since you provided the definition...I like Babon better...LOL
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The crazed part applied to the Baboon throwing poop at us...LOL
By aceintx
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These kind of ridiculous comments that shred your credibility when you claim your other blog is "not about McCain."
I await the day when something aceintx has to say is not about McCain. May I suggest Obama as a potential target? You remember him right?
I don't see this as a ridiculous comment. Come on man, he's a conservative. We should somehow take in all who believe in the conservative way, shouldn't we?
but I wouldn't worry too much about the due respect man, I'm not due all that much ;)
"...let him earn it instead of demanding it while crapping on everything I believe in!"
I'm sorry, but that just has no relationship with facts or reality. It's just rage.
Respect is due you. At least on my part.
That's ace. I think I like having him around. You do too, and you know it.
"...let him earn it instead of demanding it while crapping on everything I believe in!"
I'm sorry, but that just has no relationship with facts or reality. It's just rage.
It may be blown out of proportion for effect...but it has a basis in fact.
You see...I believe the First Amendment means what it says about freedom of speech, and freedom of assembly and the right to petition my government for a redress of grievances....But John McCain's signature legislation, McCain Fiengold" crapped on every one of those constitutional rights I believe in...
I also believe we are a sovereign nation and have a right and a duty to protect the integrity of this country and know who's entering the country but Jon McCain coauthored McCain Lieberman and called me a racist for refusing to shut up while he tried to shove amnesty down my throat...I call that crapping on what I believe in...
John McCain wants to raise my taxes in a Cap & Trade Scheme to prevent a hoax, (AGW) from occurring. I would add by the way that Cap and Trade legislation looks amazingly like the Carbon Tax we fought so hard to prevent in the early 90s....I call that crapping on what I believe in on two counts...Lowering taxes not raising them...and radical environmentalism based on a lie!
I'm exaggerating when I say he's crapped on "everything" I believe in so I guess I should have ignored this thread and not given my opinion because we don't want to screw with party Unity and all that.
As for my other post which you dragged over here...It wasn't just about McCain and it isn't. It's about a group of people who I've been chastised for mentioning and called a fool for even suggesting they exist who have a web site telling how they formed their group to do exactly what I had said they were doing. I won't apologize for bringing McCain's name into it when he happens to be front and center of that group!
As for other things I've posted that doesn't have to do with McCain and my "Hatred" of him, I posted a thing not too long ago that got a huge response about a parody libs put on my space about why we vote Republican...It was a riot and I had a grand time with it as did many others...As a matter of fact...Ben Shapiro picked it up and made a column out of it!
I've also written about the Supreme Court and the three most despicable rulings they've made over the last few years...those being their recent usurpation of executive branch powers, Kelo and CFR....Well...CFR has to do with McCain...but I don't think a mentioned McCain in it because I don't remember any of the hypersensitive RSers jumping down my back like they usually do even if I make a passing mention of McCain in my essays. as a matter of fact...the piece you jumped me over about the RMSP had one sentence in it about McCain...and you insist that McCain was all it was about...
I don't have to justify myself to you...but I hope you don't think I'm capable of doing nothing but bashing McCain because I've done much more than you give me credit for. I've been a voting Republican since 1990, I've contributed money to the RNC, the NRCC, the NRSC and CPAC, the NRA, Presidents GHW Bush, Candidate Bob Dole, and GW Bush. I've been to 4 precinct Conventions, 3 Senate Conventions and one State Convention. I've been temporary precinct chair for two different districts and I've donated time as a Real Estate Agent finding office Space for Candidates in San Antonio. There are many who've done more for this Party than I have but there's been a damn site more who've done less so I guess if MY nominee for POTUS from MY party decides he wants to thumb his nose at me along with his "Moderate" and "Centrist" friends at the RMSP...why should I not do the same? I'm a Maverick now...I'm no longer wanted by the leadership of my party so why would I worry about what the Democrats are doing when I have my own leadership with a bayonet jabbed in my back threatening to run me through if I don't do what I'm told?
By aceintx
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What a laugh. You spend hours spamming McCain must die messages in response to every single positive comment ever posted about him. Look over the comments section to this blog. No one escapes your wrath.
You rage. You aren't one of the conscientious critics, you're the enraged emotional revenge seeker. Don't feed me nonsense about people threatening you stay in line, that's a red herring designed to allow you harass everyone else with impunity.
and at times I do rant...at times I throw in snipes at comments I see as rediculous...not unlike yourself...but if you read what I say instead of what you want to apply to me...you'll learn that I have a lot of cogent, rational and very reasoned thoughts.
As for Vengeance...or as you say "Revenge"...I am not motivated by that at all. I despise McCain and his arrogance and condescension, hubris because they are what they are. I oppose McCain's demands that we shut up and let him call us racists when he wants to force open our borders against our will. I can't stand the fact that he'd go into a closed door meeting with LARAZA and tell them not to worry with a wink and a nod when he can't find the time to meet with Billy Graham! I don't like his policies on Global Cap and Trade. I don't trust him to allow drilling in ANWR or go against Arnold in CA to allow drilling off the coast. I'm afraid of his affect down ticket on Republican Candidates struggling to justify the difference between what they believe in and McCain's stated goals!
Bottom line...I have specific objections to specific positions and issues surrounding McCain and I refuse to act like they don't exist...it has nothing to do with revenge no matter how you want to characterize it. and you are being unfair to minimize everything I say or do as being about revenge.
By aceintx
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BTW...your assertion that I SPAM every post praising McCain is an exaggeration at best si9nce I've praised him myself as I mentioned earlier...
By aceintx
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BTW...the bayonets poked in my back thing is called hyperbole...
it made my point very well I thought!
I would also add...that in a different election cycle with a different candidate we would likely be more at parody and be able to work quite well together...this cycle and this candidate has set us at odds but don't ever think anything I say here is personal...I'm fighting for what I believe as are you...and for that I respect you far more than many of the mealy mouthed whiners here and you conduct yourself very well as well as superbly making your positions clear.
My hat is off to you sir and only hope that you can accord me the same respect!
By aceintx
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Listen, it is NOT helpful to do what you are doing. All the McCain stuff, we've been over ALL of this, and I mean NUMEROUS times.
It's all duly noted, and I think you know where I stand on all that. McCain is the nominee that is not a screaming lefty douche-bag. At this point there are only two useful things for all conservatives to do.
(1) support the McCain candidacy - we cna't even flirt with the alternative.
(2) keep your powder dry for the after-election party.
You are serving at this point only to inflame things and keep people POed at each other.
My brother, please just stand down, OK?
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I allowed myself to get dragged into an escalating back and forth with absentee and my last post was an attempt to end the dual and walk away...
You have no arguement from me for the most part.
By aceintx
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We just want to keep RedState on the same page (which is not the same as walking in lockstep).
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My other post was about the Republican Main Street Project that says in their history that they were formed as a response to the sweeping victory of the 1994 Republican Majority to keep the party for being moved to the right and something about keeping it from being too strident or some such...as if being strident in doing what's right were a bad thing.
McCain happens to be a member of that organization and I pointed it out...but the post isn't about him...but the organization!
If you must know...the way I stumbled onto the RMSP was looking up supporting info about Chris Cannon's loss in the primary today. I found a list of other Republican Incumbents who have lost primary races in the last couple years and followed a link from a story about Gilchrist who is a member of the RMSP and lost in MD.
As far as when I'll stop talking about McCain...I guess it will be whenever he's gone as the nominee...or whenever he's left office. If you mean will I ever sing his praises...I have when he's been right in m y opinion the same as I have trashed him when I thought him to be wrong...
I don't see what's wrong with that? Are you saying I should act as if I'm happy he's our guy when I'm not happy about it?
Are you saying that when I find a sight where Republicans in positions of leadership admit they were formed to subvert the platform of the Republican Party and prevent Conservatives from enjoying the fruits of their hard won victories that I should ignore it and not tell anyone about it? If so...why should ignore it? Is it because our nominee happens to be a part of this organization whose stated goal is to purge the party of a right ward reactionary movement?
By aceintx
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Just because I don't care for collard greens, it doesn't follow that my life becomes a ceaseless diatribe dedicated to that fact.
Don't act like you're just going around being reasonable and "wha .. what's this?" people treat you unfairly. Look at your snark above about drilling.
You may have missed the big news for the last week about drilling. About McCain and drilling. About how he wants to open up all this offshore drilling. Drill here, drill now, all that. So someone references that BIG RECENT NEWS.
Yet you PURPOSEFULLY ignore his correct stance on offshore drilling. He isn't sufficiently aceintx on OTHER drilling issues, so toss him. He's fracking greenpeace.
That's just absurd raging. I have yet to get one McCain rage-a-holic to recognize that one can be a perfectly reasonable critic, or one can be an enraged, outraged revenger. The revengers get argued with and put up the defense of a reasonble critic. No one is treading on reason.
I was pretty darn clear above: I await the day aceintx has some passionate fire for the real enemy. I also eagerly, hopelessly await the day when aceintx can recognize the good with the bad in the nominee. But I'm not holding my breath.
in fact I wrote a post to a thread talking about how brilliant he was handling things the other day when he said he'd reconsider is stance on drilling in ANWR...
Of course...at the time I actually believed he was preparing the ground to announce that he'd thought about it and changed his mind....but I'm still waiting to hear him change his position. We'll see if my praise was well placed...as of right now...that's up in the air...
As for the Offshore drilling...I was directing that more toward Arnaold than him...but the last I knew, he said he'd leave that decision to the states...has that changed?
By aceintx
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OK...Maybe I've missed it...has he specifically refuted his earlier statement that it was up to the States?
If he has then I stand corrected...and say Bravo...now...what about ANWR?
By aceintx
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You're disregarding all the rest of the info and making it hinge on the two drilling points you want to focus on so you can keep playing "MCCAIN = DEVIL"
It's exactly what I just said above, and you've proved it. Congratulations.
Not even worth debating with you anymore.
from the list of sites you sent there are a lot of liberal sites and I didn't want to scim through them all.
I asked in good faith and you're word is good enough for me...
By aceintx
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Maybe you should read what I wrote. I was suggesting your narrowly focusing on the TWO things you don't like about McCain on drilling while ignoring BIG RECENT NEWS in order to give the FALSE impression that you smacked down the commenter's statement is just snarky sniping, and yet here you are, still doing it. That's exactly what I mean. You don't debate rationally, despite the fact that when anyone calls you out you beg and plead "dear me I'm just a rational debater, why must you silence my right to dissent"
I'm done playing your bait and bitch games. You're a basher, plain and simple.
Don't you find the picture of a baboon throwing poop funny?
It actually tickled my funny bone LOL
By aceintx
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firmly on the field and demand to have our thin skins heard are maverick Republicans. Don't get me wrong, I'm voting for McCain regardless, but just as General Greene sometimes told General Washington things he didn't want to hear, he needed to hear them and so does Senator McCain. We do this not because we want Senator McCain to lose, we do it because WE want to win. Don't get myopic on the presidential campaign, we need to diminish the congressional destruction or even turn it around. If the best McCain can do is keep his trap shut on AGW and CEO pay, then it will have to do. But he needs to keep his trap shut if he wants other conservatives less forgiving than me to show up 11/4.
Tim Schieferecke
To win. He's not one who can pretend very well - Obama is a great pretender. I don't share all McCain's views, however he's exponentially better for the country than Obama - we could go on judges, war on islamist jihad, taxes, & scope of federal government to start. Regardless of how much Obama could get done, pretty much anything he's talked about would not be good for the long-term (or short-term) health of our country.
This election is not about individual issues or statements. It's about getting the better of the two individuals who represent their respective parties elected. John McCain is the better man and I will vote for him. When he is elected I will also voice my displeasure on issues when he takes the wrong stance. From his past history I know that if a strong enough argument is made, he will change his position. Some might call that flip flopping. I call it intelligent...
It has nothing to do with beliefs, issues, or statements (always false to get votes). After all, pushing the correct agenda is the way to win.. Hey, all politicians push their beliefs only to get votes - yeah... Okay, let's vote for the best politician!
Damn! I really HATE your attitude! Wonder why America is failing...geez.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
and if you don't get fifty percent plus one, it really doesn't much matter what your "beliefs, issues, or statements" are; you're relegated to fuming about them on blogs or with your like-minded buddies in a bar somewhere.
You and others may not like it, but there are very few state election districts, let alone Congressional, statewide, or national offices, where some of the more strident participants in this board could get elected.
In Vino Veritas
Oh well, I guess I had better change my opinions... I actually don't expect honesty in my politicians, just a bit of "living up to your positions when running for office". Well, that would be way too optimistic, so I guess I will agree with you and go with 51% of what that politician stood for (before being elected)... Actually, that would be just grand!
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
Please tell me just who (what politicians) meet your criteria? Now maybe you can come up with some local politicians, but I am looking for those running for federal office (Reps, Senators, and better). I eagerly await your answer - and I will vote for all those you suggest (well, okay, if I can validate them).
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
You can have a good debate among political scientists and politicians as to whether an officeholder is elected to represent his views or those of his constituents. I don't think it is dishonest for a candidate or officeholder to represent the views of the people who elected him even if they are not his own views on a subject. That said, there are those fortunate poltical figures whose personal views adequately coincide with the views of the constituency and who don't have to make those choices.
Dishonesty is actually a very good way to keep your butt in the big chair; the Democrats have been doing it for nearly a century. Almost no Democrat could get elected if they came right out and said what they believed. Republicans have a little more trouble with it, at least with the promising one thing and doing another kind of dishonesty. I frankly don't care what an officeholder's personal beliefs are as long as he does what he said he was going to do when I gave him my money and my vote.
My major point is that most of the louder fulminators about McCain espouse positions, and expect McCain to hold those positions, that wouldn't get someone elected anywhere in the Country.
In Vino Veritas
bit much to ask - your definition "current views of the people" is probably as accurate as it can be at the time (of the politician)...and no, I would not vote for them on this premises. Yes, it really does matter that a politician does as he says leading up to the election.
And Yes, your actual point regarding McCain holds true...
And what the heck are you doing up at this time of the night!
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
about 8 PM ADT. Now I'm wide awake. Schedule is all off since I worked real late last night on a project then had to get She Who Must Be Obeyed to the airport at 5:30 this am.
In Vino Veritas
marginally better than Obama on most things... Can you say no choice this year...
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
but you have to realize that if McCain is himself, he could never win. He has to pretend to believe in conservative principals to win - not likely with his past voting record...so I guess this gets down to who is worse... Yep, worse is Obama, not exactly a grand endorsement though.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
Great Job!! Love the Achilles analogy. Recommended!! :-)