Eliot Spitzer Involved In Prostitution Ring
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Promoted by Dan McLaughlin. It doesn't get better than this. Boy, the Democratic Governors are really having a great stretch lately.
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Elliot Spitzer has announced to his most senior aides that he has been involved in a Prostitution Ring, and will be making a public statement about it at 2:15 pm.
Apparently the New York Times has just broken the story.
Mr. Spitzer, who was huddled with his top aides early this afternoon, had hours earlier abruptly canceled his scheduled public events for the day. He is set to make an announcement about 2:15 this afternoon at his Manhattan office.
Mr. Spitzer, a first-term Democrat who pledged to bring ethics reform and end the often seamy ways of Albany, is married with three children.
Just last week, federal prosecutors arrested four people in connection with an expensive prostitution operation. Administration officials would not say that this was the ring with which the governor had become involved.
De-FREAKING-licious!
David A. Paterson was elected New York’s lieutenant governor on November 7, 2006.
Elected to represent Harlem in the New York State Senate in 1985, David Paterson has demanded and achieved change at every level, not simply by what he stands for but by who he is.
In 2002, David Paterson was elected minority leader of the New York State Senate, the first non-white legislative leader in New York’s history. In 2004 in Boston, he became the first visually impaired person to address a Democratic National Convention. And 2006 saw Mr. Paterson make history again by being elected New York’s first African-American lieutenant governor.
As New York State Senate minority leader, David Paterson led the charge on several crucial issues for New York’s future, proposing legislation for a $1 billion voter-approved stem cell research initiative, demanding a statewide alternative energy strategy, insisting on strong action to fight against domestic violence, and serving as the primary champion for minority- and women-owned businesses in New York. As a result, Governor Spitzer asked Mr. Paterson to continue to lead New York State on these issues as lieutenant governor.
Lt. Governor Paterson, who is legally blind, is also nationally recognized as a leading advocate for the visually and physically impaired. A graduate of Columbia University and Hofstra Law School, Mr. Paterson also currently serves as an adjunct professor at Columbia’s School for International and Public Affairs. David Paterson lives in Harlem with his wife, Michelle, and their two children, Ashley and Alex, and he is the son of Basil Paterson, the first non-white secretary of state of New York and the first African-American vice-chair of the national Democratic Party.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
See here for one of his harebrained proposals.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
But it looks like David A. Paterson will get there by someone ELSE sleeping their way...
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"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have - Thomas Jefferson
Spitzer looked like he was in a political tailspin already before the scandal. What he knew how to do as AG, finding good publicity value prosecutions and lawsuits, wasn't much use to him as Governor. Spitzer was clearly in over his head, and coming out on the losing end of Albany hardball. His attempt to use the State Police to smear the Republican Senate leader backfired royally.
I previously figured Spitzer was meat on the table for electing a Republican governor in 2010. Now with Spitzer resigning (or at least not seeking reelection), the prospects just got a lot worse for NY Republicans.
Just the same, I'm loving it. After seeing Spitzer's antics abusing law enforcement power for personal ends, violating people's rights, this is delicious.
try not to think about Eliot Spitzer wearing one.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
the MSM will in the same breath innocently remind its readers of in the interests of "fairness."
"wide stance" will get mentioned somewhere in the coverage.
Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.
And they'll play the game that if Vitter can stay in office without the GOP getting pissy about it then they should just keep their mouth shut on Spitzer.
Hee-hee, hee-hee-hee-hee, hee-ehee-heeee....
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
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Vitter and Craig should both be long gone.
It would certainly make this Spitzer scenario much more entertaining.
...as long as it's a hetero affair?
Personally I think it's all stupid. I don't care who they are sleeping with as long as they are doing their job. Their personal life should remain just that, regardless of party.
When it comes to sexual politics the Dems are consistent - it's all good no matter who you're porking.
For the GOP it depends on if it was gay or straight sex - and if you are in a safe seat or not probably factors in as well.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
That's a total load of crap, Sy. For starters, while the pages in question might have been minors in the "buying beer" sense, they were above the age of sexual consent. Ergo, no crime of any kind was ever directly alleged.
Second of all, the correspondence did not reveal "soliciting sex". More like creepy low-class banter that strongly suggested sexual interest.
Broad brush, much?
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
So I'm sure you wouldn't have had any issue if your kid was on the receiving end of the Foley's "banter".
You definitely got the creep part right though.
It doesn't really matter. If Spitzer actually resigns as being reported than that effectively emasculates the cries of hypocrisy from the GOP "family values" camp.
Now when will Vitter and Craig resign??
Foley is tar on my shoe. I'm just trying to get you to use TRUE things as an argument instead of FALSE things.
What you accuse Foley of is not what he did. You want to use that argument? Try Gerry Studds and/or Barney Franks.
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/BrianRoss/Story?id=2509586&page=2
If it wasn't solicitation than why did Foley resign?
He was a pervert attempting to prey on minors and he got caught.
If you want to equate that to sex between consenting adults knock yourself out.
It's only a case where a guy was hitting on underlings.
Is that so wrong?
And, anyway, he wasn't their *DIRECT* boss.
Plus they were at the age of consent in DC!
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
They were of age. No crime. I'm tired of pointing out the abundantly obvious.
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
For sexual harrasment law, the 90s strongly that there is an increasing license to engage in activities creating a "hostile" working environment toward women:
1. Democratic, pro-choice politicians (especially popular ones).
2. Republican, pro-choice politicians (Bob Packwood--remember how feminists hemmed and hawwed a bit??)
3. Democratic, pro-life politicians (they might get a little benefit of the doubt as Democrats).
5. Men in private business
6. The evil ones (Republican, pro-life politicians).
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
If Spitzer had been involved in prostitution with men, he could spend the next year or so doing the talk-show circuit, peddling his book about how it was internalized homophobia that prevented him from being his true self all these years.
Spitzer just slept with some prostitutes. Nobody idealizes a man's inner polygamist (and I suspect that there are ALOT more "inner polygamists" than "inner homosexuals" among men in the world.)
But agreed, Vitter got a pass of sorts. Not saying the following are justifications, but merely explanations:
1. Time--his improprieties appear to be years old, maybe even extending back into the Clinton era where the license might be so broad as to even include Republicans.
2. To a certain extent, Vitter appeared to have taken the initiative in admitting the affair. (I know, I know, not really accurate.)
3. The impression was this impropriety was unusual, and not habitual behavior by Vitter.
I do think that there might be less leniency for a homosexual affair--but I will say that if a senator came forward and admitted that 20 years ago he had paid for experiments with homosexuality, that he would nto be pressured to resign.
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
the two offices most involved in enforcing the laws, and prostitution is a crime.
We can (and should IMO) be non-judgmental re the sex peccadilloes of private citizens, or even legislators like Foley and Vitter.
The Spitzer thing is mind-blowing hubris, pending release of more facts.
It is the most common sport in scandal-politics to plant the "pale" on an ad-hoc basis and then declare so-and-so or such-and-such to be "beyond" it.
I find it tiring trying to keep up with where the pale is.
But for what it's worth--it is important that lawmakers obey the laws they set for the rest of us. As Publius explained in Federalist 57:
I will add, as a fifth circumstance in the situation of the House of Representatives, restraining them from oppressive measures, that they can make no law which will not have its full operation on themselves and their friends, as well as on the great mass of the society. This has always been deemed one of the strongest bonds by which human policy can connect the rulers and the people together. It creates between them that communion of interests and sympathy of sentiments, of which few governments have furnished examples; but without which every government degenerates into tyranny.
If it be asked, what is to restrain the House of Representatives from making legal discriminations in favor of themselves and a particular class of the society? I answer: the genius of the whole system; the nature of just and constitutional laws; and above all, the vigilant and manly spirit which actuates the people of America, a spirit which nourishes freedom, and in return is nourished by it.
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
not federal ones.
As one of the less godly members of RS, I am attracted to the proposition that we should be as forgiving of the sins of the passions as our Lord teaches us to be, which He did numerous times during His earthly sojourn. And that includes those of the publicans (in today's world Congress and similar positions).
But an erring would-be Caesar (Spitzer) has kindled the wrath of the secular realm, and is going to pay a steep price. And, if I recall, forgiveness wasn't exactly his thing.
He preached forgiveness of all sins--period. He preached the boundless mercy of God--and was Himself that Mercy.
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
NO laws broken by Foley. I don't defend him, I think he's a creep, but he's being given alot of credit on this thread for having broken laws.
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
In New Orleans before he got down and dirty in DC.
And it wasn't so far in the past as to be ignored.
He should have resigned.
How many years? How many years per offense?
I'm inclined to agree that he should have resigned, but I don't know what the standard is, if any.
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
You have no proof of that whatsoever. It's only rumored.
Even if true, I'm not necessarily of the opinion he should resign, and that would apply of it were a Democrat as well. The voters elected him to a certain term of office and they are free to punish him when he runs again. If he feels he can no longer do the job because of his transgression, that's his call and nobody else's call.
"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas
Big difference between giving in to temptation on one lonely night and helping to RUN A PROSTITUTION RING if indeed that proves to be the case.
"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas
But neither was he protecting or funding a prostitution ring.
Spitzer has resigned already.
Vitter should have done the same long ago.
1. There is no evidence at this point that Spitzer has resigned. He may, but it is a lot less than clear right now.
2. If you want to bash Vitter start a diary on the subject. This attempted threadjack is over.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
(Insert Libertarian post about people exchanging goods and services here)
Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire
People in a free society should be allowed to exchange goods and services on a voluntary basis without government intervention.
If I am forcibly prevented from having consensual sex with another adult then I do not own myself. Period.
That said, unless this guy has pushed for more self ownership, like eradication of drug laws, and lower taxes, then he is just another hypocrite. Seeing how he is a Democrat, I'm sure that he was working for higher taxes and more government infringement on private property. I would also be willing to bet that he supports smoking bans on private property such as bars homes.
Evil prevails only when good men do nothing.
Please note that when I type out HOOKERS I want people to hear that in a stereotypical NYC accent. The kind that you'd expect from a sanitation worker.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
At least not in fee simple, only as a holder of an endowment--a trust:
"All men...are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights [including] life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
Hence, no one has a right to alienate his own life, or his own liberty. Suicide can rightly be prohibited, and contracts by which an individual sells himself into slavery are null and void. So, too, it seems to me, may the government prohibit you from chaining your own reason by drug addiction.
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
So because some guy 240 years ago worded it a specific way, that means that we should not own ourselves?
But if he had written instead that "All men are endowed by their Creator the right of self ownership, which includes but is not limited to life, liberty, property" ["property" was in the original phrase that Jefferson lifted from Locke] would you then believe that self-ownership is the ultimate right, from which all other rights originate?
Or would you still believe that individuals belong to society first, and themselves second (even societies that practice arranged marriages, or have an oppressive Muslim belief system)?
Evil prevails only when good men do nothing.
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And what you say is wrong.
Other than by assertion, how do you "own" yourself? And why can't the stronger who has the power simply laugh at you and assume hiw own ownership?
If there is anything "ultimate" from which rights originate, it isn't some fanciful notion that first came some {innate?} sense of property, nor is it society, it's that ultimate thing that some designate "God."
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
..and your wrong. Do you have a better argument than that?
If I can not point to anything other my assertion that self-ownership is a fundamental human right, then where can point to when proving I have have a right to free speech, or anything else? A piece of paper? From where does the Constitution get its authority? From God?
Do you think that if God is supposed to be a source for human rights, he would have mentioned it some where is the thousands of pages of the Bible?
Evil prevails only when good men do nothing.
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You said what's the point of invoking it--just because somebody said it 240 yrs. ago.
My point--because I think they're right.
Not an argument, but an explanation for my comment.
Here's a kinda weak argument--if those who successfully undertook the remarkably successful experiment in protection human rights believed it necessary to ground human rights in the belief of a Creator, and endower, perhaps it would be wise to give a certain limited deference to their authority--however fallible their reasoning might have been.
But all of them followed Locke in founding human rights in a Creator.
Let me ask you, where does the Constitution get its authority? And why should I or anybody else respect that source?
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
I may be coming in a little late (I can't tell because comments aren't timestamped), but I didn't see A Texan claim anywhere that "individuals belong to society first". His claim was more that individuals belong to their Creator first, and that this very nation was built upon that idea. The shift from "Creator" to "society" is a straw man, intentional or not.
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Maybe he shouldn't have built his career on seeing to the prosecution of people for the same sort of thing. He put people in prison for running prostitution rings. Spitzer is no libertarian. I don't know of any libertarian Attorneys General.
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Democrats don't resign. This will be another issue that a Democrat will use to be "more like the regular people"...think Obama and cocaine, Gavin Newsom and his best friend's wife etc.
Just wait until you get the tearful apology...after several months of complete denial or complaining about VRWC's!
He can then go on Oprah with his wife at his side and then write a book about it all.
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He has to resign. When you're a Governor, there is nowhere to hide. You're the face of the State, and New York is one of the most influential states in the country. Someone in Congress can lie low for awhile and let the story blow over, but everytime he has to cut a ribbon or give a press conference, he'll be seen as the guy who banged some hookers.
Even Jerry Springer had enough shame to resign after getting caught up in a prostitution investigation. Will Spitzer?
Spitzer must be setting himself up to run for President.
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Bill managed to suppress the bimbo eruptions, and as far as we know didn't engage in commercial transactions. Already before this, it was looking like Spitzer was in over his head as Governor and headed to one-termdom.
A lack of brains is not Spitzer's problem, it's the exact opposite. I detest the man, but he got a perfect score on his LSAT. That's almost impossible. He's clearly very smart.
The problem with being that smart is that being smart is a VERY different thing from being wise, and sometimes, smarts get in the way of wisdom. You are so much smarter then everybody else that you think you can get away with anything, and that everybody else is too big of a rube to stop you.
That's exactly what happened here. Pride comes before a fall, and he had so much pride in his smarts that he fell HARD.
"I ain't never votin' fo another Democrat so long as I can draw breath! I'll vote for a dog first!" - Leola Thomas
This is truly bad news. This man did something outrageously wrong.
In the winter of '97-'98, I was delighted that President Clinton had been caught doing something wrong. I was happy not simply because the truth had been exposed, but because a political opponent had done the wrong thing, and that his improprieties would hurt him and his respective causes.
Sometime over the past few years, it hit me--charity "rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth."
I do believe my reaction to Clinton's scandals, and the reaction of this blog, represents rejoicing in iniquity.
If we are gladdened by this news (and I'll admit to being gladdened), that speaks badly of our character.
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
If so, I'll plead guilty. But if there's something deeper I'm missing, please let me know.
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
"rejoice in iniquity". It refers to the guy taking part in the iniquity, not those hooting at him.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
While I think you're wrong on this point, regardlss of the precise meaning of "rejoice in iniquity," let me put in more generally--is it good to be happy when you hear of immoral behavior?
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
to ride your bloggy horse. I'm not wrong. There are plenty of books on English grammar which can help you out.
Public opprobrium for immoral behavior was part of the Early Church when confession was done in public, not in a confessional. So lay off the theology.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
I pose the question again--should we be happy that someone else did something wrong?
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
Are people happy because someone did something wrong, or because the truth has been revealed?
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But "De-FREAKING-licious!" strikes me as happy not only that he got caught, but also that he did it.
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
are you deliberately to dense to see the scheudenfraude of a public official who RUNS on cleaning up corruption, who BUSTED prostitution rings as AG, using THAT record to gain the office of Governor -- being busted for the very activity he eschewed?
Seriously, how are things up there on that cross?
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In fact, I was happy when I first saw the post.
But I'm growing increasingly uncomfortable joining in the giddy celebration
I would prefer that his past and known bad acts have brought him down.
But I'm glad that he busted prostitution rings.
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors." -Edmund Burke
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it just doesn't get any better than this!
Wait- it's just about sex. Spitzer for VP on Hillary ticket.
Prostitute for the night $1000
Dinner for two $250
Bottle of wine $100
"Client Number Nine" priceless
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Mike DeVine’s Charlotte Observer columns
http://thehinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
www.race42008.com
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson
site is down but the pages are cached.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
He may not resign, but let's take his driver's license!!!!!!
... we have a senior aide to Governor "Coupe" Deval Patrick being arraigned (delayed) for kanoodling with a 15-year old boy...
... and the Speaker of the House implicated in an improper $13M deal with Canadian software outfit.
Just another day in the Bluest state in the Union.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
... the Johnny Spitzer story is simply glorious.
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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
the Spitzer story is only 20 minutes old, and already Yahoo News has a poll: Are All Politicians Corrupt?
And thus the spin and the rehabilitation begins.
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"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
Wasn't Spitzer heavily against prostitution? I can't remember it off the top of my head, but I could have sworn he had put some bills in place that were anti-prostitution.
a/k/a, destroying the evidence.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
I think this is what you are referring to- from CNBC:
As attorney general, he also had prosecuted at least two prostitution rings as head of the state’s organized crime task force.
In one such case in 2004, Mr. Spitzer spoke with revulsion and anger after announcing the arrest of 16 people for operating a high-end prostitution ring out of Staten Island.
“This was a sophisticated and lucrative operation with a multitiered management structure,” Mr. Spitzer said at the time. ”It was, however, nothing more than a prostitution ring.”
Thanks. I think he was also big on putting together legislation to stop people from travelling overseas for "sex vacations".
Mr. Spitzer, who abruptly this morning canceled his scheduled meetings today in Albany, alerted his staff today that he was connected to an investigation of a prostitution service that charged up to $5,500 an hour.
$5,500/hr. Guess that's what it's like in John Edwards' other America.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
Endeavour set for nighttime launch -- saw this on Washington Times advertisement here re its headlines.
This about Spitzer?
I just took a gander over at Kos and the evolving consensus seems to be that BushCo's puppet US attorney must have nailed Spitzer by using illegal non-FISA wire taps. Priceless.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
"If we ever forget that we are One Nation under God, then we will be a Nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
some Democrats and liberals will flock to this guy's defense, just as they did with Bernie Whored.
"If we ever forget that we are One Nation under God, then we will be a Nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
Great picture, what is he sizing up, the extent of his ethics? Couldn't happen to a nicer guy though.
I quote Eddie Murphy from his infamous comedy routine about Gus, Aunt Bunny the Bigfoot, and his Chiddren:
"Can you believe this *@#&#*(@ #*$(@!!!"
It's getting to the point where we can no longer trust any ethics reform proposals for our public servants which come from a member of a major political party.
http://www.jeffwartman.com/2008/03/new-york-governor-eliot-spitzer-linke...
I can't help myself, whenever these stories break I have to immediately check the DailyKos reaction. In this case, I learned BushCo found out about Spitzer's indiscretions through illegal wiretapping. Just sayin'.
A brief vague statement by Spitzer saying nothing about resignation.
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Shep Smith is announcing that he has been incited in Federal Court and hence will resign
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...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
"A rusty old halo, a skinny white cloud, second-hand wings that scratches".
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080310/ap_on_re_us/spitzer_prostitution
No mention of the word "Democrat."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/10/spitzer/index.html
His political affiliation isn't mentioned until a tag-on final sentence.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23561606
No mention of his political affiliation.
Interesting, the early version of both the CNN and MSN articles mentioned his party quite prominently. Guess the writers of the breaking-news version hadn't read the playbook recently.
it is what Billy Boy said...it all depends on your definition of Prostitute, I guess.
A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have - Thomas Jefferson
If a politicians want to cheat on his or her spouse, that a matter for their family and the voters if it should become public. Violating the Mann act is a crime and should be treated as such.
This guy was one bad egg. Now he is a busted bad egg. Whew! Good thing he is on the truck headed to the dump.
I think theres more here than meets the eye..tell me what you think.
http://noleftturnz.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/icarus-begets-the-phoenix/#m...
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