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No one is saying that they are, including McCain and Pence. The point is that things are improving and that many Iraqis believe in their future, not that the enemies of humanity have surrendered en masse.

The Iraqis can pull this off. Our military can facilitate this. Do you get it? Our military is bringing hope to people. I'm proud, mon. Mike Pence is proud. John McCain is proud.

Are you, Alan, or are you convinced of Quagmire, Quagmire, Vietnam, ignoring all evidence to the contrary?

BTW, Congressman Pence was not in the International Zone (Green Zone). He was in Haditha, Al Anbar province. The place where Jack Murtha had our troops misbehaving like somehting in a John Kerry fantasy.

My advice, Alan, to be proud, to pray for life and success. This can be done.

I never said they were in the green zone, I said
his video reminded me of the one John McCain made there,
nor did I question that things are getting better in places.
Instead of wanting to quickly put down any comment that
disagrees with your perceptions, you want want to
read my post a little more closely.

Since he wasn't in the Green Zone it seems like any hot arid place would suffice to remind you of the McCain video.

He put down your post because it was silly. Not because he disagreed with it.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

I addressed that about which you complained, all of which seemed seemed a product of a claim that all those who support the liberation of Iraq preach that all is going well everywhere in Iraq. You said that Pence's vid proves nothing because he, like John McCain, was heavily guarded in the International Zone.

I did not address the Murtha big because he wasn't the story, and I did not slander him.

You're not doing very well, I'm afraid.

does not make someone permanently immune from criticism for any statement they make or action they take. Reciting it like a mantra will not protect your guy from scrutiny.

Now, tell me, where is the 'sliming' going on? I see a great many people criticising Murtha for poor judgement over redeploying to Okinawa, poor judgement in calling for reinstatement of the draft, and, of course, his personal ethics.

Which of those were you planning to defend? Which of those is 'slime'? Which is something for which an elected official should be immune from criticism?

Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net

International Editor of

Depending on your point of view, I'd consider this sliming, sir.
I'm glad to see you ask what would immunize an elected official
from criticism. I hope you'll remember that question the next time
someone criticizes anyone at all in the Bush administration.
And before raging back to rebut any of my comments,
I was a registered Republican for forty years
before changing parties in August, 2003
because of George Walker Bush.

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he was accusing our troops in Haditha of butchering people, as if he'd read into John Kerry's loopy, childhood fantasies. He slimed our troops.

The Haditha Congressman Pence shows is not the Haditha from one of Okinawa Jack Murtha's dreams.

One cannot slime a politician with his own words and deeds. He has done the sliming of himself by himself.

didn't seem to be the same as yours, so I googled it and
came away thinking that, like so many other things, opinions
varied, depending upon one's political affiliation.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=John+Murtha+in+Haditha&btnG=Google+...

Democrats lack in droves....progressive means never having to live in the here and now A/K/A reality.

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Referring to things that Murtha himself has said is 'sliming'? That is an interesting definition of the word.

For the record, I have never argued that any official should be immune from criticism. Nor do I recall anyone suggesting that members of the Bush administration should be.

I notice you specify that Murtha should not be 'slimed' because he is a decorated war veteran. I would hope you would not wish to see any politician 'slimed' as it can only undermine the quality of debate.

I have certainly heard this argument before. I think it specious and anti-democratic. For example, some people suggested John Kerry should not be criticised for the lies he told about Vietnam, because he was a veteran. Others suggested that Max Cleland should not be criticised for his vote on the Patriot Act, because he was a veteran. I do not notice that any of those people arguing that John McCain should be immune from criticism.

Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net

International Editor of

You switched parties in August 2003, roughly 18 months after Bill Clinton left the White House, the guy who brought oral sex to the Oval Office. That guy, that party. Yeah Alan, you know slime.

You also have a reading comprehension problem. The point Glangley made was not that elected officials should be immune, what but would immunize them. A sensible reading would tell you they're open to criticism. So my poor fellow what is there to remember about Bush, or as your type refers to him, Bushitler, speaking of criticism as well as slime, which seems to attract you.

It seems you are attempting to fend off "rage" by mentioning your forty years as a Republican, not seeking to immunize yourself are you?

"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville

I supported and voted for Mr. Bush in 2000 because
I saw Al Gore as an extension of the Clinton administration
and Mr. Bush ran as a compassionate conservative who was going to
unite the country again. I soon became disillusioned with him, but
stuck by him until he began his runup to the war in Iraq. I wrote him
almost every other day pleading with him to seek calmer counsel because
I did not believe attacking Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, and still don't.

I don't appreciate name-calling by members of either party, so your Bushitler slur
isn't something I would use. There are people from both parties on these sites
who don't hesitate to use name-calling, as evidenced by the "Okinawa Jack"
and "clean up on BDS sufferer" comments, but I choose not to.

in the military....I think that is BDS and really get over yourself and your legion of idiot's who continue this falsehood...it didn't work for Dan Rather and it certainly is not going to work on a conservative site...it is a lie...with no basis in fact. This President may not be the conservative I had hoped for but he certainly was the right man at the right time in this nations history....you need not respond because I really don't care what you think...anyone who would vote for John Kerry the traitor tells me all I need to know about that person.

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but none of them were/are for showing even a basic degree of intelligence or good judgement.

Every one of his strategic/tactical "suggestions" have been clearly shown to be caca.

And, as far as his recommendation to redeploy "over the horizon" to Oki, that one shows a startling ignorance. The Marine Corps has been negotiating with Japan for years over reducing our military footprint in Oki. The Marines will be moving virtually all of their operations to Guam and this has been well known publicly for several years. Moving 100,000 plus troops to Oki would be a disaster that Murtha is simply too stupid to comprehend.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Oh, and a tool to boot. Don't try to defend Murtha based on what he did 40 years ago. He has long since cast his lot with those who believe that murder, atrocity, and shame are the rule of the military, not the exception.

By the way, he was also the architect of the abysmally-failed "Slow Bleed" strategy, by which he and the Congressional Democrats were hoping to drain the funding and supply chain dry, leaving our troops in Iraq with so few supplies that they had no choice but to "redeploy."

Take your Murtha defense and shove it up your sanctimonious....well, you know what.

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I will not trouble you folks any longer.
It's obvious you don't want real discussion
but prefer instead to to just put down anyone
who you feel might threaten your perceptions.

We've heard all that before, those have all been thoroughly debunked. You don't really want discussion, you just want to take your shots.

You took them. Good for you. Made an impression? You mean besides the hundreds or thousands who have come before with that same tired line?

Nah.

Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J

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You figured it out. Guess what? You're just another of a cookie-cutter assembly line of KnownFact™-spewing hardcore lefties who are too out of touch with reality to know it if it hit them in the face - and who bemoan and lament right-thinkers' refusal to take the time to listen to the same thing *again* that we've heard and debunked hundreds of times before you ever made it here.

You're just another one. Not special in any way. Sorry, I'm sure your mother told you otherwise, but you're just a member of the rabble after all.