Huckabee is to the Left of All the Candidates.

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At the urging of a bunch of people I'm turning my comment in the "Ivy League" blog into a blog of it's own.

UPDATE: Thanks to the great guys at First State Politics for reprinting this blog with very kind words.

UPDATE #2: Thanks to von for noting that McCain also has a proposal on the table dealing with healthcare. His comment with details and some good commentary on McCain's plan is here...

UPDATE#3: I made a mistake on the $5,000 contribution from the family of the DUI felon who was paroled. It was $10,000. Huck doesn't come cheap. HT to Dave at FirstStatePolitics. The story is at National Review.
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The cry of the Huckabots is that Bubba Jr. is more conservative on everything than the other candidates. Let's take a look.

1. Ethics and judgment. Some of this stuff has been adjucated some of it has not. This is not meant to be a complete list by any means. Even on the stuff that has been adjucated in his favor, if you stand back and look at the preponderance of evidence, it becomes apparent that BJ can probably be bought, and pretty cheap at that. The Bible tells us that we not just avoid evil, we should avoid the appearance of evil. BJ has a long history of wallowing in the appearance of evil. He will get beaten like a cheap drum on this stuff by the national media and he has no good story, other than "hey, everybody does it in Arkansas!"
FACT: BJ took at least $112,000 in gifts in one year. None were from the Clintons. His salary was $67,000.
FACT: He appointed a number of individuals to State jobs after receiving sizable contributions.
FACT: He walk out of the Governor's Mansion and took $70,000 worth of furniture. He gave it back as part of a settlement with the state. Said it was a "misunderstanding".
FACT: Registered at bridal registeries when he left office so his supporters could get him appropriate gifts.
FACT: Accepted a $5,000 $10,000 contribution from the family of a man who was in prison for DUI. Shortly afterward, he got an early release.
FACT: He wanted Dumond released early, made no bones about it including a letter to Dumond, and put pressure on the parole board.
FACT: There are over 1,000 pardons that BJ signed off on as Governor. They are just being looked at now. There's a good probability that someone will have victims of those pardoned guys lined up to make videos about how their family was impacted when BJ let a felon out of prison early. The DUI guy above is just the first.
FACT: He lied on five separate occasions on national TV about the fuel tax being on the ballot. He knew better, he wrote the legislation and campaigned for the ballot initiative that was for a bond issue, NO fuel tax increase was part of the initiative it had already been passed by the legislature and signed into law by BJ. It was not contingent on the bond issue passing. When he was caught in the lie, he blamed others and never addressed the issue that he had lied.

WITH RESPECT TO OTHER CANDIDATES: Only Rudy comes close to these kind of ethics issues and his stuff is personal not governmental and nobody has EVER accused him of lining his own pockets. Romney is so squeaky clean he's boring. McCain has the Keating Five but that's twenty years ago and he was cleared. Fred is right up there with Romney.

Bottom line: the "Christian Leader" is easily the dirtiest of our group of candidates.
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2. Economics. Simple factual stuff.
FACT: The average Arkansan was paying 47% more in taxes when BJ left office than when was first elected.
FACT: State spending rose at three times the rate of inflation.
FACT: He did nothing to expand the economic base of the State in ten years as Governor.

WITH RESPECT TO OTHER CANDIDATES: Rudy cut taxes and spending in NYC during his eight years as Mayor. He did this in the face of an overwhelming liberal establishment that was opposed to his programs that included the NYT.

Romney held the line on new taxes in Massachusetts during his term as Governor and managed to balance the budget which had an $8B shortfall.

Fred voted consistently in the Senate to reduce taxes and as a Federalist, favors moving Federal programs from Washington to the states, and letting the states kill them or fund them as they see fit with state, not federal, money.

McCain is viewed as a budget hawk because of his opposition to earmarks and his Medicare Part D. On the bad side he opposed the "Bush Tax Cuts".

Bottom line: BJ has a record of spending and tax increases that none of the others do. They have all held the line and opposed or reduced taxes and spending when they had the opportunity.

He is clearly to the left of all other candidates.
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3. His signature proposals as POTUS. There are three. HLA, FMA, and FairTax. In addition, he's signed Grover Norquist's no new taxes pledge. He's also said he will nominate only pro-life nominees for appropriate jobs in his administration (he didn't define "appropriate").
FACT: He has never said which of the HLA options he prefers. I've been asking for a couple of weeks and none of his supporters can tell me either.
FACT: HLA, in any form, will not pass either the Senate or the House and has NO chance getting the required 38 state legislatures to pass it.
FACT: FMA will not pass either the Senate or the House and has NO chance getting the required 38 state legislatures to pass it.
ASSUMPTION: by pushing HLA and FMA at a federal level, pro-choice organizations will be motivated and focused on every nomination for every position will be challenged by the Senate. This will make GWB's record of getting judicial nominees approved look really good. If the Democrats continue to control the Senate, a SCOTUS nominee on the order of Kennedy would be a big win.
FACT: FairTax has no chance of being passed as it is currently envisioned. It's not "progressive" enough for the Congressional Dems, requires the elimination of all other taxes including payroll taxes, and require repeal of the 16th Amendment. Won't happen.
FACT: Given that significant time may be wasted on pushing the FairTax, the current tax structure will have to be tweaked. BJ's history in Arkansas indicates he will work with the Congress to "tune" the tax structure. Look for net tax increases that he will try to pass of as something else.

WITH RESPECT TO OTHER CANDIDATES: All four are opposed to the HLA and FMA. Rudy has appointed an advisory commission on judges and has committed to make no changes with respect to current administrative rules on abortion funding (Mexico City, etc) and to appoint "Scalia like" judges.

Romney, McCain and Fred are on record as opposing Roe and have committed to conservative judges.

Rudy and Fred will likely propose some variation of the FlatTax and Romney will push for simplification of the current system.

Bottom line: BJ is promoting solutions that are utterly unworkable in both the area of life and taxes. The other candidates are promoting solutions that will simplify the tax structure and will successfully get Roe overturned (and hopefully Griswold as well) and will reduce the number of abortions.

Unworkable solutions are a product of the left in this country, BJ is clearly to the left of the others in these issues.
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4. Judicial nominations. Unlike other candidates BJ's made no statements about the type of judicial nominations he would make. He has no advisory committee and basically no record to draw a conclusion from.
FACT: His recent comments on Lawrence are all we have to draw on and they indicate that he is clueless about the core cases that have served to legalize abortion.

WITH RESPECT TO OTHER CANDIDATES: Other candidates have layed out their judicial philosophy. Rudy has gone so far as to appoint an advisory commission on the subject.

Bottom line: He appears to be slightly to the left of the other candidates because he appears woefully ignorant of the Court and is silent on his judicial philosophy.
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5. Foreign policy. He is drawing his rhetoric from the Democrats. Without regard to his specific proposals, an unbiased read of his statements show rhetoric that could have come from Kerry, Murtha, Reid or any of the three major Democratic candidates.

WITH RESPECT TO OTHER CANDIDATES: The other candidates have criticized Bush's conduct of the war, but have not taken up Democratic talking points. They also have realistic foreign policy proposals with respect to the Middle East and Europe that don't sound like a kumbaya session or Bill Clinton's World Apology Tour.

Bottom line: His criticism and line of reasoning are clearly to the left of the other candidates.
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6. Increasing the Pentagon budget to 6% of GDP. This is a new one, probably designed to make me believe he's a conservative.
FACT: He doesn't say what the increase will be used for.
FACT: The Pentagon is asking for less than half that increase.
FACT: He doesn't say if this is "new money" or if he will offset the increases with cuts elsewhere.

WITH RESPECT TO OTHER CANDIDATES: This is BJ's proposal, there is no comparison to the others.

Bottom line: This is just another ill-thought-out-throw-it-against-the-wall blather from BJ. He has no plan here.
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7. Entitlements. Social security and Medicare.
FACT: [sound of crickets chirping]
FACT: On healthcare he has come out in favor of some sort of undefined tax credit for insurance. No word on how this gets "paid for". And, BTW, if he was able to implement the FairTax, all tax credits go away. See a problem here?

WITH RESPECT TO OTHER CANDIDATES: Fred has solid proposals on entitlements and health care. The remaining candidates are in the canoe with BJ.

Bottom line: Fred is significantly to the right of all on this issue.
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8. Immigration. This is interesting because of BJ's total flip on the subject in the last couple of weeks. He's got a long record of being very compassionate toward illegal aliens and now he's promoting a page out of Tom Tancredo's book.

WITH RESPECT TO OTHER CANDIDATES: With the exception of Fred they all suck.

Bottom line: Fred is significantly to the right of all on this issue. And, you'd have to be drunk or stoned to actually believe that either BJ or McCain are all of a sudden "enforcement first" kinds of guys.

OK, so at the end of the day, on the issues that really count, Bubba Jr. is either way to the left of the rest of the field or is holding his own because most everybody's position sucks. Not a good endorsement.

For my nickel, the worst part of the whole mess is #1. The guy who is promoted as "The Christian Leader" is easily the most corrupt guy we've seen on the national stage since Richard Nixon - and I don't think he was corrupt, he was just stupid. Michael D. Huckabee is corrupt.

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

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...when a reporter confronted Huck about Romney demanding that he apologize for accusing Bush of having a "bunker mentality", Huck literally responded with essentially, "yes, but I am more pro-life than Romney and I'm more against gays than Romney".

He literally dodged the question entirely and turned into an attack on Romney over social issues!!!!!!

This guy is an absolute and total disaster. What a loser.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

Mr. Pious "I'm a Christian Leader with a Speech/Communications Degree from a Theology School" is attacking Romney now? Uh oh... I smell hypocrisy!

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
-Winston Churchill

... but do you have a link? Pretty please?

Hang all traitors and secessionists! Hang them high!
- Me

...I just heard Rush play an audio clip of Huck's answer to the question.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

that at some point they will have to realize the degree to which they have idealized a very, very flawed man.

Someone, I think someone here, posited that Huckabee's support may be some former Paulbots looking for a real candidate. No way to know if it's true but an interesting theory.

For my nickel, the worst part of the whole mess is #1. The guy who is promoted as "The Christian Leader" is easily the most corrupt guy we've seen on the national stage since Richard Nixon - and I don't think he was corrupt, he was just stupid. Michael D. Huckabee is corrupt.

Nothing worse than a Hypocrite, except those who blinding follows one.

"There's a Fool Born Every Minute."
P. T. Barnum
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No, really. Sure, we'd all prefer that all of our public figures -- and friends, and acquaintainces, and even ourselves -- always walked the walk we keep talking about. However, given that such perfection is unattainable in this world, I prefer a hypocrite who says "This is wrong, even though I do it" over the shameless amoral advocates of libertinism that say "There is no wrong -- except to vote Republican, be a conservative minority, or fail to bow down to the altar of Anthropogenic Global Warming and Its Holy Prophet, Al Gore".

See this book, "In Defense of Hypocrisy".

As François de la Rochefoucauld said, "Hypocrisy is the homage which vice pays to virtue."

Huck has praised his buddy from Hope, 8th Circuit Judge Lavenski Smith. And... you guessed it... He's a liberal.

And you thought the idea of AGAG or Miers on the Court was bad!

I've only been around here for 2 years, but I can say without a doubt that this comment-now-post belongs in the RedState Hall of Fame. Period.

I think you need to add one thing though. At the end of the post, you need to add one phrase: HERE ENDETH THE LESSON.

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mbecker908: 'The "Christian Leader" is easily the dirtiest of our group of candidates.'

mbecker908 is part of the reason why the words "dirty" and "politics" go together. You anti-Huck folks are getting boring in your diatribes and totally missing the point of Huckabee's appeal.

Bush and the Republican Congress of late have made it impossible for you to pawn off any of your establishment lukewarm hacks on the voting public. Small government? Show me. Ha.

If the Republican candidate cannot communicate how he will change our broken system, he will be DOA.

Huckabee gives people a vision and a hope for change.

Funny that the "big government" conservative is the only hope we have at achieving small government in the foreseeable future.

Soooo by bs

Can't respond to the truth so you move the goalposts. Classic Huckster.

Oh, and great left-wing talking points. You've proven beck's point. You're not helping your man-god any...


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The Huckahaters reveal themselves.

You apparently have no response to Mr. 908's points. Not surprising.


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blog today one of you guys referred to the Huckster losing in SC as his being marytered. Please. Get a grip.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Dixiecrat.

Wait I apologize you may just be a fake Republican.

mbecker908 is part of the reason why the words "dirty" and "politics" go together. You anti-Huck folks are getting boring in your diatribes and totally missing the point of Huckabee's appeal.

Unless I started drinking again and had a black out I didn't force the Huckster to take any of the "gifts" or money that found it's way into his pocket. I didn't help him load the furniture truck either.

The point of Hucks "appeal" is that nobody is paying attention to the real Huck yet. But they will. Huck isn't bringing "hope", he's selling snake oil. Hope requires specifics and he's got exactly zero that stand up to even a little scrutny.

You have no hope with this guy. You've just got expectations of your own making based on hearing what you want him to be saying. It's a long way down, CB. A long way.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Snake oil... like all the "small government" conservatives we worked so hard to put in Congress. I have no hope in any of your hacks.

... enterprise?

Are you absolutely certain you cannot comprehend why increasingly no-one is taking you Huckabots seriously?

Their like holes in your body, every has them.

So why don't you write a blog and explain just how the Huckster is going to get HLA, FMA and FairTax, in it's designed form with a repeal of the 16th Amendment, through the Congress. While you're at it, I'd still like to know which version of the HLA Huckabee supports.

We're all waiting with baited (or is that bated?) breath.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

unless you're going fishing later...

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notably when I was drinking, that my breath could probably have been used for bait. Probably only for carp, but bait nonetheless. :>)
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Funny that the "big government" conservative is the only hope we have at achieving small government in the foreseeable future.

I hear Huckabee can cure my male pattern baldness and get the crabgrass out of my lawn too. It's simply amazing! Is there nothing a liberal dose of Huckabee cannot accomplish?

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

I'm rethinking this support thing. I'll get back to you. Any chance you've got a link?
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

I'm still trying to find the link to the sale on the Huckabee anti-fatty tonic. I hear it works wonders, too.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

let me know. We can get together and change our screen names and start flacking for Hucknotbald.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Supposed to happen when you get older. Like grey hair.

I guess maybe when I'm old.... ;)

BTW, mbecker, great blog. I've been one of those that's been waiting for you to put it all together. A sure HOF candidate. We'll even skip the steroids test.

Fred08

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But he told me right then when the top popped open
There was nothin' his box won't do
With the oil of Aphrodite, and the dust of the Grand Wazoo
He said "You might not believe this, little fella
But it'll cure your asthma too"

And I said "Look here brother
Who you jiving with that cosmik debris?
Now what kind of a guru are you, anyway?
Look here brother, don't waste your time on me"

Cosmik Debris

One more great Arkansas lesson BJ has tried to master in
his latest responses... triangularization.

One more great Arkansas lesson BJ has tried to master in
his latest responses... triangularization.

What in Huckabee's record leads you to believe that he is the best hope for small government? Please answer, because I cannot wait to hear it. Is it the 47% tax increase or the 65.3% increase in government spending?

None of the Democratic candidates have ever raised taxes or increased spending as much as Huckabee. If anyone has evidence to the contrary, please provide it. If not, then please give up promoting him as anything but a big government candidate.

If the Republican candidate cannot communicate how he will change our broken system, he will be DOA.

But I'd rather have a bad communicator with a solid message than the greatest communicator ever with a crappy one.

Guess under which "populism" is classified.

UPDATE: At least, the bad communicator could hire someone with the skill he lacks to help him out.

Bubba Sr. It's in the water in the Governor's Mansion in AR.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

That vision you think Huck gives -- must be with the glasses off and the need for coke bottle lenses.

Huckabee may be long on slick -- but he is short on facts.

sorry, but his foreign policy is what -- round up AQ and then if we build them sewers and schools and make peace with them they won't want to kill us -- talk about naive

Do you have any idea of how lame his foreign policy is -- that is straight out of the moonbat handbook -- it is all Bush's fault and once we get rid of Bush they won't want to kill us.

What a joke -- 9/11 was planned when Clinton was in office -- not Bush.

It would be a refreshing dose of honesty in politics.
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snark

Huckabee gives people a vision and a hope for change.

You mean like HIV patients being isolated/quarantined?
/snark

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you aren't a Christian Socialist?

How'd you end up at Redstate?

LOL

Playing fast and loose with that word will not win the day. If mbecker would spend more time promoting someone maybe he would be taken more seriously by those he would like to influence. This is just dirt, and could be done on any of the candidates.

mbecker kindly obliged.

And if you think this is bad, wait till you see the huge amount of fun the Democrats are going to have with all this material ... and remember in that event that you Huckabots and your candidate made the calculated decision to jettison fiscal conservatives.

You are an idiot.

Nobody's playing fast and loose with anything, except you and your opinion.

Several questions.

1. Which of the ethical issues are NOT factual?
2. Did nor did not Huck take money from the family of the DUI guy he pardoned?
3. Did or did not he take money and gifts from people he later appointed to state jobs?
4. Did he or did he not say on national TV on five occasions that the fuel tax was voted on by the people of Arkansas?
5. Were the tax rates in Arkansas 47% higher when he left office or not?
6. Did he increase expenditures in the state by three times the rate of inflation or not?
7. Has he advanced a proposal that indicates how he will get a version (which one) of the HLA or FMA passed?
8. Same question for FairTax.
9. Has he made any sort of statement regarding his judicial philosophy or the type of candidates he would nominate?
10. Has he deliniated how that increase in defense spending is going to be spent or where he will get the $$.

Answer those Joe. This stuff is simple. It's not dirt, it's just stuff you don't want to deal with.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Do you not know what the word Fact means.

A fact is something that is indeed true. It doesn't have spin attached to it. There is no context to it. There isn't nuance associated with it.

I know that's all foreign to the Hucksters (even though you claim not to be one, I think you protest too much...we know you are one), but quite simple...Huckabee did raise taxes 47%, three times the rate of inflation. Heck, just go read the OP again and see that they are indeed accurate... just don't have the Huckaspin on them the way you want them to have one.

You can't explain away forever dude, Huckabee will eventually be caught out. My hope is it's before too long... tomorrow would be perfect for me.

And thus ends yet another excellent rebuttal on the part of the Huckabots!

And thus ends yet another excellent rebuttal on the part of the Huckabots!

Oh, well, it was witty enough to read twice, right? =)



Better be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident security. --Edmund Burke

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when he started telling me my Christian duty --

now I may expect that from the pulpit -- but not the podium -- and I sure am not going to vote for someone who thinks it is my Christian duty to give amnesty to the same gangs of illegals that have destroyed my neighborhood, property values, and prevent me from shopping at the local grocery store --

nope -- no amnesty candidate gets my vote.

Just so this poppy cock doesn't go uncontested....Huck is not pro-amnesty. I understand where your going, but lets be honest that is a distortion. If you don't like the in-state tuition for illegals say that...don't smear him by calling it amnesty. Thats bush league.

He's never said that illegal aliens have to go home and go to the back of the line. As usual, he's talking a lot and saying nothing about whether or how they can become US citizens or legal residents.

Last seen, he was supporting the Dream Act, which in fact granted amnesty.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Huckabee supported the DREAM Act before he morphed his Immigration policy to be in line with Tancredo's just in time for the first voting to take place.

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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

If you check his 9 point immigration reform plan...#3 is to 'prevent amnesty' under which he sets out a plan to send illegals home.

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=26

If you don't believe him...well...then we may just disagree (b/c I don't trust candidates like Romney who have flipped on other issues).

If your going to attack him I would think it is only fair not to distort his positions...just sayin

very recent and contrary to certain of hia public statements that included the word "racism" (e.g. is new Huck a racist according to old HucK? the answer is yes)

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Rudy and Mitt talk down to us saying that open borders is the Christian thing to do and you are going to Hell if you oppose my policies.

Good diary, but one correction with respect to the discussion of entitlements:

WITH RESPECT TO OTHER CANDIDATES: Fred has solid proposals on entitlements and health care. The remaining candidates are in the canoe with BJ.

McCain has a solid proposal as well -- indeed, so far as I know, he's the only candidate who seriously addresses the cost side of healthcare as opposed to merely addressing coverage. It's reasonably-well grounded in free market principles (to the extent that any health care is). Here's the Wall Street Journal on it (link: http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB119206651378255555-jC_k4Vc_G_Sgxn...):

[McCain's] proposals include promoting generic drugs and biologics, supporting retail walk-in clinics at unconventional locations such as Wal-Mart Stores, and shifting some care to nurse practitioners because they are cheaper than doctors. The plan will also espouse setting national standards for measuring treatments and outcomes, and allowing doctors to practice medicine across state lines. ...

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Aides said Mr. McCain would allow drugs to be imported back from Canada, where government price controls have driven down the cost of brand-name drugs. He would support tort reform that would give doctors who follow national guidelines on care protection from lawsuits. He would use the bully pulpit to promote disease prevention, healthy diets and exercise.

Sen. McCain also plans to propose ideas for covering more of the uninsured. He would give all Americans a refundable tax credit to help them buy insurance, totaling $2,500 per person or $5,000 per family. They would get the tax credit whether they were to get insurance through work or buy it on their own. The existing tax break for employer-sponsored insurance would be eliminated, taking a step away from the work-based model in place for the last half century and toward an individual market.

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Mr. McCain would also allow people to buy insurance across state lines, a policy that could help someone in a state with many mandated benefits that increase the cost of insurance. And the senator would offer grants to states to defray the cost of providing insurance for people with medical problems who can't afford their own coverage

There are some parts of McCain's plan that're debatable: For instance, I'm not a huge fan of national standards but, if part of a program of tort reform, perhaps its bearable. But it's a very credible plan.

Fred's plan, from what I can tell, is good on generalities but doesn't get much into specifics. Am I missing something?

For we have a peculiar power of thinking before we act, and of acting, too, whereas other men are courageous from ignorance but hesitate upon reflection.

I'm updating the original post with a link to your comment.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

We've been hammered for days because nobody could post anything that showed The Huckster was to the left of the rest of the field.

Not one single critical comment so far and this has been up for at least five hours. And while you're at it guys, if you are planning on posting a comment, if you could let me know which version of the HLA Huck supports I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

...exactly Huck will get them accomplished. FMA, HLA, & Fairtax are total pipedreams. I am a social conservative, but I believe there are more effective ways of curtailing abortion and gay marriage in this country than pushing for unrealistic amendments that have no chance whatsoever, and will actually mobilize the pro-choice and gay marriage advocates more than anything.

Huck is zero....ZERO substance.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

We'll be here for you.

"6. Increasing the Pentagon budget to 6% of GDP"

You state noone else has something comparable - Fred has a very detailed plan. 4.5% of GDP, million man army and marines, 325 ship navy, plus other specifics.

...is not his best effort (the social security plan probably is). A laundry list is not a plan. Thompson's plan seems little better than Huckabee's - throw money at defense and hope something good happens.

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a link to your candidate(s) defense plan for comparison? Presumably, the Thompson administration's plan will have the details you desire when the time comes. Too many details in a candidate's proposal seems to be pushing it a bit.

www.fred08.com
Redneck Hippie

Here is one thing I find interesting... if you go to Huck HQ in Little Rock, its amazing how many staffers aren't from Arkansas. There is a REASON. Almost all the grassroots Republicans in Arkansas don't like him. He used to campaign for Democrats all the time. He even campaigned against 4 sitting Republicans because they disagreed with him on one budget issue. Now I know every Party has its little groups that don't get along, but he was the worst. He also never raised any money for the State Party. Of course you won't hear him say that, because you have to understand how Huckabee works. He is all about Mike... if it doesn't help Mike become a "more important" person, he is not interested. If a Republican disagrees with Mike on spending or growing state government, Mike calls them a "Shiite" and trust me, he means that in the hate speech sort of way because his is such a decent Christian who puts up lovely ads at Christmas time. Oh yea, if you are not the type of Chirstian Mike likes, He says, "they must drink different Jesus juice than me". Once again, not with a smiling face.
As an Arkansan, I beg all of you to look at Mike again. I really don't care who you support, but he is full of ego and not a good person. He does nice acts to pretend to be a "good" Christian, but in reality his acts are for his personal glorification.

ARK Conservative

This may just be the best post I have read in quite some time. This needs to be widely disseminated across the Internet and in every mailbox in Iowa.

...please check out Fred Thompson at www.fred08.com

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but he never stared at a camera, head shaking with anger, and told the world that because he and his mother lost a relative in a flawed abortion, he would forever be a steadfast supporter of a woman's "right to choose."

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

Have you read this site???!!!!!! Romney can not complain. Huck has been continually bashed by unintelligible remarks, and characterizations. You can hardly complain about the previous post concerning a reminder of a previous factual instance. If Mitt's your man you should feel fortunate that those who oppose your candidate stick to factual rebukes instead of calling him BJ or completely distorting his record and intentions.

Get over yourself, son.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

You just let me know when I've been "been here" long enough to comment, but I have to say that the length of time I've been writing on this site doesn't seem to have any relatinoship to validity of my points.

I certainly didn't mean to step on any toes...I've been reading this site for a year or two, but only recently (i imagine you correctly point out that its been 3 days)have i started to contribute b/c I didn't like what I was reading (and the lack of representation of my opinions).

Again, didn't mean to step on toes. son

The answer to your question - seeing as how I'm closing in on my 3rd anniversary at RedState - is "Yes, I have indeed been reading this site." Meaning that I've been around plenty long enough to watch Johnny Mac, Rudy, Romney, RonPaul™, Fred and now Huckabee get the snot beat of the them on a daily basis. And a whole host of others long before this God-forsaken never-ending campaign even got started.

What is different now however is that Huckabee's fan club seems to have, dare I say, annoyingly thin skin. FWIW, your explosion above is Exhibit 47652(a)-b.248c, by the way.

So comment away - but for the time being, you would do well to not automatically assume that because someone is picking on your guy that they've not been around a while. Quite the opposite, in fact. Free advice, worth every penny.

And, just to make sure we're perfectly clear - this thread is not about Romney. Mark is a front-pager and can beat the snot out of Romney whenever he wishes - my beef with Mark is that I think he displayed bad form and bad faith by dumping Romney into this conversation completely off the subject - though perfectly following, dare I say, the SOP for the defense of The Huckabee:
1) Scream about being "unfairly slimed", and then
2) Throw a rock at Romney

Savvy?

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

Sometimes they throw ridiculous rocks at others such as Fred, Rudy, the Club for Growth, Matt Drudge, Novak, CATO, RS, etc.

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

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then it was Rudy, only now is it Huckabee...
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but he never stared at a camera, head shaking with anger, and told the world that "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people."

Well, it's where I thought you were going.

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What a phony. Infact all these republicans are phonies, only true conservative is Ron Paul. Let's see Huckabee's money bomb raised 200k for the entire 24 hour period. The Tea Party Raised 265k in the first half hour. The Neo Con establishment can't handle the fact that their candidates are anything but what true conservatives are.

Is there a record book?

1. No shilling for RonPaul unless you've been here for more than a month talking about something else.

2. Neocon = BLAM. Enjoy your RedState experience.
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Two thirds of the world is covered by water,
the other third is covered by Champ Bailey.

We aren't suppose to police the world. Why don't all you good ole warmongers go sign up eh? No of course you wouldn't, pussies. But you'll send someone else's child to die in some hellhole.

~Former Army ~ Fort Sill, OK.

Neo Cons = People with mouths large enough to scream for war, but balls too small to go fight it.

You're still an idiot but one with their heart in the right place.
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...who register for the express purpose of telling us how worthless, useless, and meaningless RS is?

Why is that, you think?

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

You basically imply Ethics is a right/left deal - its not,its a right - wrong deal. I know Democrats and I imagine you do too, and I think they care just as much about good ethics as conservatives do. Contrary to popular belief conservative is not a synonym for good and upright.

I can see how you might draw that conclusion from the title, but I don't think it's in the text.

At any rate, I included the ethics section because the SoCons stayed home in 2K because if W's DUI charge from 30 years ago. I'm wondering how they can justify supporting Huck with the ethics issues he's got. The guy is fundamentally dishonest and every bit as slimy as WJC.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

This statement in some sense would put him to the left of all the rest of the field of candidates on Roe. Now, Rudy does have the most impressive judicial team, and has made the best defense of originalism of all the candidates in the speech to the FedSoc. On the one hand Rudy is the most specific candidate about what type of philosophy his judges will have and he has the best team lined up. OTOH he says his judges could value precedent more than the constitution, and he has a record of being a liar. Therefore, I have rather mixed feelings on Rudy. I think it very well may be that Rudy is the farthest left on Abortion, though I'm rather ambivalent about this.

Such as? I mean, I know he has issues (particularly social issues), but he did complete his campaign promises, so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

He is also "OK" with it being overturned by the supreme court. In the same interview cited by anti Giuliani people. Basically he was saying he deferred authority to the supreme court. But wouldn't mind it being overturned and kicked back to the states.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
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...can refute any of this. None. The closest thing to a rebuttal is to attack the messenger as "playing dirty politics", or attempting to deflect it at attack another candidate.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

But it does not need to be responded too. Attacks do not work because his base is sold out on him. They see in him someone to believe in. They believe him. And so do I. If you want better rebuttals to most of this stuff take the time to read his website. Many do, and believe it to be reasonable.

interesting choice of words. I tend to agree with you.

...has all logic and reasoning escaped the minds of Huck supporters? I happen to favor Mitt and/or Fred. I would be disappointed if someone other than them got the nomination - but I wouldn't feel betrayed or view them as some sort of weird martyr.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

I think Mike can win..so you could call me a supporter. I would not feel betrayed if someone else won, I would support them. The hardest would be Romney or Rudy....but I would pull the lever and then go take a shower.

I was wrong. You are just painfully stupid. And willfully ignorant.

These points are not attacks, they are facts Bubba Jr is going to have to deal with sooner or later. Not a single one of his supporters have even attempted to refute a single one. As for his website, there's nothing there that refutes any of them because they are FACTS.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

"believe in him", the by and large don't know who he is. As they find out, he's history.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

That will view it his way.

The viciously faithful.
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Hey, are you trying to prove P.T. Barnum's axiom?

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

Sad thing is, this is an eminently winnable election. Hussein and Hill are two very flawed candidates. However, if we nominate Huck, then it's like handing them the election in a cakewalk.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

Romney's an infinitely better candidate than Huckabee. Romney has the right balance on social issues and fiscal issues. Huckabee's good on social issues and bad on fiscal issues.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
-Winston Churchill

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

It may be the absolute worst thing for the Republican party / Conservative movement. We got into trouble in 2006 for being just like Huck. That is why he should be un-electable. But as you point out, Obama and Hillary are immensely damaged goods.

....amazing.

“.....women and minorities hardest hit”

refutation. And in my last blog about HLA, not one could tell me which of the seven version he supports. The best any could do was a comment by Anteater on the HLA is Federalism blog to the effect that there are seven versions and FT can't even find one to support.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

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(and I use that loosely), you are making a pretty large leap in logic for your conclusion on HLA, FMA, and Fair Tax by saying that puts him to the left. Seriously.

If you want to argure that it makes him weaker to propose the fair tax in the general because it will be easy to demagogue, then I agree with you there.

Also, your comments on his pentagon proposal don't really make sense.

However, the thrust of your article is correct.

Huck lost me on immigration a long time ago plus his parole issues are going to make general election fodder.

FairTax... It won't pass. It will consume a huge effort for no result and when it's defeated the Ds will push new taxes and Huck will.

HLA & FMA will fire up the left and hurt his ability to get judges confirmed.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

I'm glad someone is saying this. Maybe we should forward this in an e-mail to all our friends in Iowa. Except if you do that, you might want to clear up who Bubba Jr./BJ is. They might think it's Fred Thompson.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
-Winston Churchill

I would ask people to not judge the FairTax by Mike Huckabee's support. Other than that, I agree with pretty much all of mbecker's analysis of Mike.

We're never going to get any kind of decent tax reform passed by repeating 'it'll never pass'-- which seems to be the primary argument against the FairTax that I've seen on Redstate.

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There are other kinds of tax reform that don't require a Constitutional amendment to prevent double taxation. Only the national sales tax plans have that knock against them. A flat tax merely requires legislation to be passed normally, for example.

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Other tax reforms, including every 'flat tax' I've seen, don't even touch FICA, the death tax, gift taxes, capital gains taxes, and all the rest which will still be hanging around to plague us all.

The FairTax makes all those go away-- it's a fundamental change to the way taxing is done in this country. Every other plan I've seen either rearranges the deck chairs on the Titanic, or remodels the state rooms.

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nothing to do with Bubba Jr.

How do you pass it in a relatively intact state given that Ds will control at least the Senate? They will demagogue this to death and mess with the prebates to the point of no return.

I just don't think it's passable in the current climate. If you see a way to do it, please write a blog on how its done.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

The FairTax is a progressive tax. It was structured to be progressive in order to counteract the traditional democrat demagogy on tax reform. Ultimately a progressive tax is a much easier to sell to RiNO's, independents, and democrats than something like the flat tax, or a non-prebate sales tax.

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

Okay... so we "pre-pay" people so that it can be 'sold' to people as a good idea?

I guess if we should look at a tax system that requires the minimal amount of government looking into what we're doing.

Eventually, we'll have to submit receipts to show what is a "necessity" and what's not, so that we can warrant our prebates.

I for one, have an allergic reaction to the idea of the government mailing checks starting at $200.00 a month EVERY MONTH.

I doubt that. That is not something that would fly with the voters. It is also moot (you cannot argue that x is bad because it might one day develop one of the characteristics of z) Moreover, every possible attempt at tax reform can be messed up by some future Congress. The FairTax, is no more, or less vulnerable to the insane whims of future Congresses, than any other tax system.

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

The FairTax, is no more, or less vulnerable to the insane whims of future Congresses, than any other tax system.

Wrong, the FairTax! would make us far more vulnerable to congressional tax whims in the future. The idea of a federal sales tax is currently alien enough, that the resistance it would face in Congress is enough to deter any attempt to impose one, however much the legislators would love to have that extra money to spend.

In the unlikely event that the FairTax! national sales tax ever was passed, you can be sure the greedy legislators would never give up their sales tax afterwards. Even assuming the income tax was eliminated at the same time, it's a 100% certainty that a few years later there would be some "vital" program needing extra funds, and it would be financed by an income tax on the "super rich" instead of increasing the sales tax on ordinary working Americans. And once the income tax was restored, the "rich" would subsequently be defined further down to scoop up more income tax revenue.

The only way the FairTax! would not result in BOTH federal sales tax and income tax would be by passing a Constitutional amendment outlawing federal income tax. The chance of such an amendment being proposed by 2/3 vote in both houses of Congress, and subsequently being passed by 3/4 of the states during any of our lifetimes, is zero.

Talking about a national sales tax scheme as a theoretical exercise in an econ class is one thing. Presenting it as a serious basis for federal fiscal policy is a fraud. The fact that Huckabee makes the FairTax! the central element of his fiscal program means that either he is an idiot; or more likely Huckabee knows that FairTax! is a sham but pushes it anyway, because he figures idiot voters are his prime constituency.

The chance of such an amendment being proposed by 2/3 vote in both houses of Congress, and subsequently being passed by 3/4 of the states during any of our lifetimes, is zero.

You could have said the same about Ronald Reagan's chances of winning the Presidency in 1979, or the chances of the Republicans taking control of Congress, in 1993. Pessimism never accomplished anything.

As to your other point, supposing the FairTax was implemented, since it eliminates pretty much all other taxes, a Congressman would have to propose a brand-new tax and get it passed, which since one of the big selling points of the FairTax is that it gets rid of all the other taxes, said Congressman would have to go against all that in order to get their new tax passed. Which could happen, but every Congressman that votes for such a thing will now have painted a huge bulls-eye on their chest for the next election. As is, when they want to increase taxes, they pass yet another multi-thousand-page tax bill that purports to fix some things but ends up raising more taxes than anything else. How many times has that happened in the last 40 years? Lots of times.

Your statement that the FairTax somehow makes it easier for Congressmen to raise taxes is total bunk and totally unjustifiable. When there's only one tax, meddling with it becomes much more obvious.

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Yea by zuiko

You could have said the same about Ronald Reagan's chances of winning the Presidency in 1979, or the chances of the Republicans taking control of Congress, in 1993. Pessimism never accomplished anything.

And if it required a 2/3 majority in the Senate and House and a 3/4 majority of state legislatures to do either of those things, they wouldn't have happened either.

Anyway, the FairTax (even without the repeal of the 16th) won't happen for one simple reason. The tax code, as it stands now, is one of their biggest sources of power. Congress isn't going to give that up... even if they pretend to support the FairTax when they know there is no chance of it happening.
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"Anyway, the FairTax (even without the repeal of the 16th) won't happen for one simple reason. The tax code, as it stands now, is one of their biggest sources of power. Congress isn't going to give that up... even if they pretend to support the FairTax when they know there is no chance of it happening."

Do congress critters ever vote for things that they do not like?

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

Playing with the tax code seems to be the number 1 pastime in DC
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The only way I see the FairTax passing is a groundswell of support from the people. It's already started; when the FairTax was put on the ballot (as an advisory question only) in the 5 counties that make up the core of the Atlanta area in a Republican primary in 2006, it got no less than 85 percent Republican support in each of the 5 counties. What's the last issue that you saw 85 percent of Republicans agreeing on?

If there is enough support from the populace, the FairTax will be passed eventually; otherwise politicians that oppose it will find themselves staring down electoral oblivion, and if there's anything politicans like better than handing out tax favors, it's keeping themselves in office.

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Wow!!! This is the most recommended post that I have ever seen on this site.

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

"Huckabee said his faith leads him to take positions on issues -- like immigration -- that "tend to be a little unconventional." On immigration, Huckabee aligns himself with President Bush rather than more conservative elements of the Republican Party, favoring a "pathway to citizenship" for those who at one time entered the United States illegally.
"To think that we're going to go lock up 12 million people or even round them up and drive them to the border and let them go might make a great political speech but it's not going to happen," said Huckabee.
He downplayed the political consequences of the issue, insisting that while there is a segment of people who are "truly exercised about this and virtually nothing but this," the vast majority of voters are not up in arms over the idea of offering illegal immigrants a chance to be citizens. "I just don't believe that at the breakfast table in most homes in Arkansas the first thing that happens is the man throws his cereal spoon down and says: 'Let's talking about immigration, honey,'" said Huckabee."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2006/05/insider_interview_mike_huc...

Man, things are moving fast, it appears that we have an anointing in the works.

December 15 “interview” with Catholic Online. Nothing but softball questions, with no follow up to the obvious omissions. The whole think is designed to highlight where Huckabee will agree with Catholics, but absolutely no effort to look at the very significant areas where Catholics would disagree with him.

http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=26206

Very lengthy editorial “by” Huckabee in the Jan/Feb addition of “Foreign Affairs.” FA is the publication of the Council on Foreign Relations. I would give anything to have the opportunity to ask him a few pointed questions about his article, like Governor Huckabee here is an unlabled map, would you please point to the Tora Bora Region?

In talking about Pakistan, he has this to say in the article. It appears that he is going to enjoy spending our money.

‘…Less than $1 billion has gone to projects that directly help the Pakistani people by providing them with schools, food, or medical aid. The lack of schools creates demand for the madrasahs that produce terrorists.’

“…..spent precious little on projects to win hearts and minds.”

People better get busy and get the word out on this guy.

WOW by Mahler

‘…Less than $1 billion has gone to projects that directly help the Pakistani people by providing them with schools, food, or medical aid. The lack of schools creates demand for the madrasahs that produce terrorists.’

Unbelievable. I had hoped that it was just a slip, but this bozo really does appear to believe that terrorists are a result of "lack of opportunity" and nothing else. What a joke.

Mike Huckabee=Herbert Hoover

I guess the new FDR is now far off.

Oh yeah, there's Al Gore.

Great post. Many including myself have tried to post for the Huck suppoters ex of what they are supporting but none have done in such a clear and to the point way. Thanks writer!

I will add that it is not just has past that bothers me. I just posted a page on the Larry King interview last night. Huckabee not only has all these issues of the past but he cont's to lie about them. The truth is clear but because the media is just allowing him to get away with whitewashing his answers, not answering, or telling a "fib" to these questions on the past his supporters take it as him telling the truth.

Also, on #8  Romney and Thompson both have great plans.
Romney also address entitlements.
Romney has a solid plan a:build fence b:employment ID card.

I think I counted 76 recommendations before adding my own. My blog on recommending your own blogs got a mere 55 - and that was not really a controversial subject.

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International Editor of

That does not mean what you think it does. Same to any other Dr Who fans.

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International Editor of

who actually dictated the blog to me. I neglected to credit him, my bad. Long typed things are a problem for him - no thumbs and all.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

I don't think I've seen any blog or post anywhere that sums up and articulates opposition to Huckabee quite this well. Good job.

If I may respond to some things:

1) Like you, probably the section that concerns me the most, although I support a great deal of his pardon policy, especially those pardons pertaining to non-violent drug crimes. If it wasn't for Wayne Dumond and Glen Green, I would certain prefer it to Gov. Romney's no-pardon term as Governor.

2) His tax increases were over a period of 10 1/2 years, and I believe were comparable to the average for state tax burden increase over that time. Now, please correct me if I'm wrong because I could be confused, but I believe that Arkansas requires that the budget be balanced every year, yes? If so, and the taxes were increased for that purpose, then please let me know what program you would have liked him to cut in place of the tax increases he put in.

3) Here I say, give me a break. You can't be so hard-right that you're left.

4) He has said publicly Scalia and Thomas would be his models for justices. If he doesn't know as much about the law as the lawyers in the race like Giuliani and Thompson, I don't blame him, so long as he knows what he's looking for. If you know you want a basketball, it doesn't matter if you say you want a round orange ball of a certain size you can bounce and has a certain line design on it. The employee--or your judicial advisers--will bring you a basketball/strict constructionist.

5) He supports the mission in Iraq and finishing the job. He has criticized the way the Bush administration prosecuted the war. That's where I am. (Except he may have supported the war from the beginning, whereas I did not--I only believe we can't just leave.)

6) and 7) Way too vague for me to give you a comment. Of course, that's your point. I assume that tax credit is either in the absence of the FairTax or a direct rebate.

8) He recently clarified his new plan, which originally sounded Tancredo-ish, to state that it would be a mere matter of weeks before those immigrants who register could return to the USA workforce on their path to citizenship, so there is a benefit to registering.

In short, Huckabee is right with everyone else or to the right on social issues, to the left on immigration and health care, and barely to the left of the candidates on the War on Terror (but to the right of the country at large). He is not the candidate for everyone; however, he happens to be right where I am right now, and that's true for a significant number of people. The thought of a candidate as close to my personal views as he is has caused me to overlook his ethical failings for now, particularly because I only really take issue with the multitude of gifts. That may change.

Phew, that was long. Glad you encouraged me to respond though.

www.mikehuckabee.com

The first, and a thoughtful response. Thank you.

I disagree with some of your points, but will let them stand as is.


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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

I came back to say essentially the same thing. Paisano made a thoughtful answer I can respect, even without agreeing.

I am glad you beat me to it becker, with all your extreme style.

"style" has nothing to do with it. I'm generally a black & white, crusty old fart who pulls no punches and only takes prisoners to torture them. For fun, I don't care about the information.

So when somebody does something that seems to me to be "above and beyond" - even though it was the original point of the blog - they get a pat on the head. Paisano came through. He gets a pat.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

and you won't even let me call that "style."

How about this... I am not conceding that "style" is the wrong word, and I was a little lazy in not coming up with something more precise than "extreme", but do you have an alternative concise word you would prefer I use?

I just write stuff like that so your nice complement doesn't go directly to my head and make the rest of my hair fall out.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

I knew there was something "sweet" under all that gruff.

And if you were presently standing by me I know I would be dodging that charlie horse you would presently be attempting to dish out.

Excellent comment.
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I am glad to see a Huckabee supporter defend his support so eloquently and without dissing another candidate.

You say "I believe were comparable to the average for state tax burden increase over that time"

From 1996 to 2007, the Arkansas combined state/local tax burden went from being the 30th highest in the USA to the 13th highest. This belies your claim that it is "comparable to the average".

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/335.html


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I had gotten that piece of information from a previous diary on Redstate, and darned if I didn't bookmark it.

So Tax Foundation says Arkansas burden went from 10.1% to 11.3% in state and local taxes, putting them in #13. Looking around at some other states, that's probably one of the biggest jumps. (Although, excuse me for not having a lot of sympathy living in CT with 12.2%.)

Actually, while I'm on this website, can a Romney supporter explain to me why the MA tax burden went from 9.8% in 2002 to 10.5% in 2006 if he never raised taxes? Did the legislature pass a tax bill he tried to veto? Not an attack, since the rise is consistent with other states, just curious.

www.mikehuckabee.com

Because of fluctuations in the economy. Even without a tax hike or tax cut, the amount of tax collected goes up and down a bit based on what the economy is doing. Notice it's never perfectly fixed from one year to the next in any of the numbers for any of the states.

Also you want to shift those years by one when you look at those numbers if you want to see which budgets that governor was responsible for.
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Taxes initially went up when Romney took over as governor. The taxes enacted as law before he took office, but didn't take effect until after he was Governor. He had no opportunity to veto them.

I'm sure that helped him balance the budget a little, just as Bush 41's tax increase helped Clinton.

www.mikehuckabee.com

Actually, while I'm on this website, can a Romney supporter explain to me why the MA tax burden went from 9.8% in 2002 to 10.5% in 2006 if he never raised taxes?

the figures refer to total tax burden, including local taxes which the governor would not have been able to veto. Of course, the two are not necessarily independent. If the state cuts grants to local government (or the feds to the states) you would expect taxes to rise in most of the localities (or states). Presumably the same applies to the Arkansas figures, by the way, though I have never heard it suggested that the tax rises in Arkansas were mostly at the local rather than state level. Huckabee, as we know, strongly championed tax rises at the state level, despite what he now says on the subject.

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His signature proposals as POTUS. There are three. HLA, FMA, and FairTax...WITH RESPECT TO OTHER CANDIDATES: All four are opposed to the HLA and FMA...BJ is clearly to the left of the others in these issues.

This is the weakest, most twisted logic I've ever witnessed.

So let me ensure that you have that free time to do what you were told to do. Send your evidence in via the Contact link and I'll turn your account back on.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

Enough bashing of the Huckster already. I've seen him on stage with the other candidates and he looked very Presidential to me.

All the candidates have a chip on their shoulder; some are more flawed than others;

A. Mitt:
1. Mitt was born and bred a Mormon, a cult with origins in Christianity that believes that Jesus is coming to built a new Jerusalem in Colorado springs; As a child he might have been coerced by his parents to believe this crap, as an adult, he has had numerous opportunities to correct his anomaly in his faith but has chose to endorse it; why then would he want to lead the Christians, who view his faith as a cult?

2. After he was busted once last year for hiring undocumented workers, he maintained the same landscaping company which continued to use the same undocumented workers. As a law abiding citizen, he should have reported this to the authorities and let the law take its course. Why then would he want to lead the nation in border security if he can not maintain in his backyard?

3. His flip flopping stance on abortion brings to question his family values and whether he has the moral character to lead the nation in this regard. Clearly he has no regard for the sanctity of life.

B. Rudy:
1. Rudy's infidelity sometimes at the expense of tax payers culminating in multiple marriages questions his authority in moral values. At a time when the divorce rate in America is over 50%, why in the world would we ant a leader who has had 3 and counting? Are we ready for another Whitehouse scandal? Heaven forbid that a U.S president should get divorced in office like the French president, Sakorzy!!

2. Rudy's advocacy for abortion rejuvenated by his refusal to sign a bill over turning Roe v. Wade, if passed by congress as a slap to the GOP. Clearly he is pandering to the liberal left with his disrespect for life. Why would we want him in office, when we have come this far in reversing this murderous and barbaric law?

3. That New York came to be described as a sanctuary city under Rudy’s tenure, defeats the whole idea of border security. If he offered undocumented immigrants sanctuary in his city, why would we trust him to enforce border security?

C. John:
1. John McCain comes out as credible man and straight talker. His patriotism to the country is commendable and is highlighted by his distinguished combat service. He is one of the few Senators who will break rank with the party to do what is best for the country. He has consistently reached across the aisle to find compromise on several issues sometimes at the risk of his career. The immigration bill was one such instance that will probably cost him the nomination. While he was working hard to solve a very pressing issue, others on the left were taking advantage of his efforts and stretching them to the brink of collapsing the bill. This amnesty bill was not viewed favorably by the majority of Americans and as such his stock tumbled down hard.

2. While others were calling for troop withdrawal, he vehemently supported the President differing with him slightly on the number of troops to add to the campaign in Iraq. After numerous trips to Iraq, he had an idea that the mission was working and given more time it would be a total success. With the troubling news of 3-4 soldiers dead per day, McCain lost all the credibility he had left in him; but he still persisted and pushed the president to stay the course. Now with success news streaming from Iraq everyday, McCain has not only silenced his critics, he has vindicated himself and as such his stock has started rising again. Unfortunately for him, time has run out, and most Americans still believe that he betrayed them by advocating for additional troop surge.

D. Fred:
1. Fred woes are reminiscent of Rudy. His time in Hollywood, California was well spent, if one is a fan of Hugh Hefner. Some have argued that he needs to spend less time with his young beauty and focus more on the campaign. While it was his strategy to hold off until the last minute before he joined the race, he has been missing in action when he should have been hitting the ground hard to make up for lost time. Until the last debate in IA., he had been asleep at the job. We need a man with his eyes on the price.

I will not delve any more into Fred or the other candidates today, however, Huckabee is my choice and I stand by him. He would make a good president. He will satisfy the core values of the GOP. He will retain the Whitehouse for us. If politics is all about perception, then Huckabee rises above the fray and pitched against Hillary, he will run circles around her. She can’t answer a question. She has a murky history, and is by far the most divisive political figure there is.

See the Huckster go head to head with Hillary. Also find some disturbing rumors info on his potential challenger at the general elections:

WWW.CAPITALPOLITICKING.COM

to substantive policy based criticism of Huckabee's record in office is to attack Romney's religion and Rudy and Fred's personal lives. You sound just like a Huckabee staffer. You do realise you would be expected to declare that?

Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net

International Editor of

Attempting to conduct rational dialogue with these Huckaborgs is a waste of bandwidth. Rational is a concept that they seem to be unfamiliar with.

“Religion, which should most distinguish us from beasts, and ought most peculiarly to elevate us, as rational creatures, above brutes, is that wherein men often appear most irrational, and more senseless than beasts themselves.”

John Locke

If one does not subscribe to a given religion, a good way of evaluating that religion is to consider what kind of citizen that religion tends to produce. On that basis, Mormonism is an excellent religion. Mormonism tends to create very good citizens and cohesive families. The divorce rate among Mormons is lower that any other religious group you'd care to name. Our prisons are not full of Mormons.

So, unless one is going to argue that a presidential candidate must subscribe to a religious belief identical to one's own, Mitt Romney's Mormonism should be considered either a positive or at least of no consequence.

Regarding Huckabee's religion, consider our experience with Jimmy Carter. Carter made it clear in 1976 that he was a born again Christian. But his interpretation of Christianity led him to subscribe to an ineffective economic policy and a dangerously naive foreign policy.

Huckabee's political philosophy more closely resembles that of Jimmy Carter than Ronald Reagan. So, if one is going to vote based on religious belief instead of political ideology, Huckabee might be your candidate. But if one is going to vote based on political ideology, Romney might at least merit consideration along with Fred Thompson and Rudy Giuliani.

It's been hit already by rational thinkers already, but I'll kick this dead horse. The 'workerbee' post responds to facts with disgusting personal attacks and false claims. Then their is the line about McCain losing credibility for supporting the troop surge. In whose eyes did he lose that? the MSM? the Dems? That was called having knowledge and expertese, making a stance, and sticking with it. Something the Huckster knows little about.

Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone. --Mitt Romney

    Mitt was born and bred a Mormon, a cult...

No thanks.

Drink Good Coffee. You can sleep when you're dead.

Quentin Langley
Editor of http://www.quentinlangley.net

International Editor of

...and yet, on your website, you strongly imply the Clintons killed JFK Jr.

Yes, it's all clear to me now. Shoo.

www.mikehuckabee.com

Hardly ever does he say or do ANYTHING without first carefully (and I mean CAREFULLY) weighing any and all possible political ramifications of his words and deeds.

He's got all the time, money, brains, skill, and organization in the world at his disposal. Thus, he usually manages to figure out how and what to say when and where he needs to say it in order to help himself the most in whichever political current he happens to be swimming at the time.

So if you're looking for someone who's saying what you want him to say at just the right time, Mitt just might be your man (granted you can forgive his VERY spotted past while trusting him not to waver any in the future...and you'd better be praying on that one).

There are plenty of examples from Mitt's past to highlight this, but allow me to provide just one lesser-known example to make my point.

Regarding Mitt's refusal to grant any pardons or commutations while in office, the AP reported the following back in July:

"As governor, Romney twice rejected a pardon for Anthony Circosta, who at age 13 was convicted of assault for shooting another boy in the arm with a BB gun - a shot that didn't break the skin. Circosta worked his way through college, joined the Army National Guard and led a platoon of 20 soldiers in Iraq's deadly Sunni triangle.

In 2005, as he was serving in Iraq, he sought a pardon to fulfill his dream of becoming a police officer."

Access Denied!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19586943/

To which I say, "Good job, Mitt. You sure showed that guy. No chance of him messing up your bid for the White House any time soon!"

It's OK to disagree with some of Mike's commutations and pardons; I've even heard him admit himself that a few of them were mistakes. That's what happens when you're a governor for 10 and a half years, though, if you actually take your job seriously enough to make the tough decisions that a governor is supposed to make.

Mike has said that we should never allow anybody else's politics to come before certain principles, and I agree. Unfortunately, it appears to me and a lot of other people in this country that Mitt wouldn't know anything about his principles without first consulting his politics.

Sad? It sure is.

http://forum.hucksarmy.com/index.php

"If we are so politically correct in this country that a person can't say enough of the nonsense with the political attack ads could we pause for a few days and say Merry Christmas to each other then we're really, really in trouble as a country," Huckabee said.

Aren't you a little off message for your campaign or is this the campaign plan?

Whatever. But you are off message for this diary, changing the subject to bashing Mitt as a way of defending Huck.

Maybe that is fair for this diary. Only its gotten tiresome.

>>>Hardly ever does he say or do ANYTHING without first carefully (and I mean CAREFULLY) weighing any and all possible political ramifications of his words and deeds.<<<

...you'd prefer the alternative of popping off at random, without consideration for the ramifications? Politicians are supposed to think about what they say and what it might mean.

When you start an entry with something as supremely lame as that statement, it hardly warrants reading the rest of your rant.

Next.


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It's been made clear that Huckabee is not the GOP's guy for '08, even if the media hasn't caught up to this reality. I do like him though, and I hope my man McCain considers him for VP. I've said from the beginning that would make a great ticket.

I am very worried about the 2008 elections. I think a fundamental shift is coming. At the end of the day, we all want what's best for the GOP because we know that's what's best for America.

IMHO which I always regret revealing on RedState, Fred Thompson appears MIGHTY beatable in the generals. I just can't help but see him dismantled and trounced in painful Bob Dole-like fashion. God help us if it's by a Clinton.

I think Rudy would hold his own in a general, but there's a 30% chance his presidency will be a catastrophic disaster. Those are good odds for Rudy; when he was mayor it was more like a 45% chance of disaster.

Mitt Romney represents the most formidable candidate in the generals, in my opinion, and stands the best chance among the top 3 of leading a successful Republican administration.

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And would be proud to vote for McCain/Huckabee (and be more confident in the ticket than Huckabee/McCain).

I just don't think Romney is the most formidable general election candidate. Not that Huckabee is; I think it's McCain, followed by Rudy. I'm just concerned the Democrats are going to run the same flip-flop narrative we ran last time. I was open to Romney when he had only flipped on abortion, but looking at the recent McCain mailer pointing out the differences in Romney's immigration position from May to December of this year...well, that makes me question his sincerity on a lot of things.

www.mikehuckabee.com

I agree completely that McCain represents the best hope for the GOP in the general. I've been saying this all along. He's the most experienced candidate in either field, with cross-over appeal and a strong independent following. He's also not an obvious panderer who makes you embarrassed when he speaks (I do think Romney is the biggest panderer on the GOP side, he's just such a masterful speaker he deflects most of the embarrassment).

But of the top 3 (I guess there isn't a top 3 anymore huh?) of Rudy, Mitt, or Fred, I think Mitt is the most formidable in the generals and Fred the least. The irony of my opinion is I would much rather see Fred Thompson in the White House than either Rudy (by a wide margin) or Mitt (by a smaller margin).

Sure, Mitt is quite the panderer and a little too slick for me; a known record of flip flopping as well. Given all that I still think he'd be an effective leader.
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And as a Huckabee supporter, I can appreciate him getting the "tough" questions here, because it's only gonna get worse when the "Clinton Machine" gets ahold of him. He should be able to stand up to the scrutiny if he wishes to be POTUS. I wish he would address the ethics charges, because even though I am pro choice, I think Mike Huckabee is a man I can respect. I do think his HLA and FairTax will never get passed (but I sure wouldn't mind seeing the FairTax pushed!) but I think he's moderate enough socially that Dems would vote for him, and I think he has a real chance

I'm new to RS but if these are the articles I can expect I look forward to spending a significant amount of time here! Very informative and a great breakdown.

I'm still up in the air on my vote but I have been skeptical of Huck since his rise. It's good to see a full table of information to go off of though. Thank you for this magnificent post.

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