Huckabee on Pakistan...
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From From The Road, a CBS News blog...
Mike Huckabee made a statement at a campaign rally this morning about the assassination of B. Bhutto in Pakistan. Let's recall that he's taken more than a little heat for his previous attempts at foreign policy statements, being labeled - Becker translation - as everything from clueless to stupid. So, with an opportunity to make up some ground and give us the indication that he MIGHT have a clue, here's the report from the ground:
With about 150 supporters crowded around a podium set up on the tarmac of Orlando Executive airport (and about 20 Ron Paul supporters waving signs outside) Mike Huckabee strode out to the strains of “Right Now” by Van Halen and immediately addressed the Bhutto situation, expressing “our sincere concern and apologies for what has happened in Pakistan.”~~snip~~
He made a bad choice of words when saying the U.S. needs to consider “what impact does it have on whether or not there’s going to be martial law continuing in Pakistan.” He should have said whether or not martial law will be reinstated – it was lifted nearly two weeks ago.
My highlight.
Apologies? Apologies! Maybe we can expect a Middle East Apology Tour from President Huckabee. After all Bill Clinton took care of Africa.
Apologies???????????????????????????????
Rev. Huckabee has some real questions to answer on his foreign policy experience. But the charge he is a blame America firster doesn't hunt.
After reading the comments on this statement I suggest y'all switch to de-caf.
conclude that his first instinct is to blame America and attack allies.
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there's no way this was "misspoken". And if it was, it's even worse. The man is a simpleton fool.
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I don't generally agree with his convictions, if his Foreign Affairs article is any indication. He seems singularly unprepared to be President.
There is no President but Lincoln, and Reagan is his prophet
As in he takes money to pardon those with convictions.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
I'm not a Huck supporter- I don't even like him- but I think you're reading too much into this.
I don't think that his use of the word "apologies" was meant to imply that America is in some way complicit in her assassination. Rather, I think that he was using "apologies" as a synonym for condolences. Haven't you ever said "I'm sorry" to someone when they tell you that a friend or relative has died? I know that I have. Unless I see more that leads me to believe otherwise, I'll give Huck the benefit of the doubt here.
I know that you're chomping at the bit to tear apart Huck for every little flaw, but there's much better material than this.
Families of dead friends will cut you a break. In the foreign affairs arena, there are no breaks. This is not a one time shot for WonderBoy, he knows nothing about foreign affairs and he certainly doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut.
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When a person says "I'm sorry for your loss," that means the person is expressing "sorrow," NOT apologizing.
Explicitly using the word "apologies" means "we apologize," NOT "we are expressing sorrow."
As a pastor, Huck MOST DEFINITELY knows the difference. One of the primary duties of a pastor is to console people after suffering the loss of loved ones by death.
He knew what he was saying. He just didn't think quickly enough to realize he should say out loud what he honestly believes.
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Pardon my typo. My last sentence should have read:
"He didn't think quickly enough to realize he shouldn't say out loud what he honestly believes."
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Huck knows too little about foreign affairs and much of what he knows isn't true. Ignorance plus bad instincts=disaster.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
Not Ready for Prime Time Players for Saturday Night Live -- with all of Huckabee's jokes he fits better fit at Thirty Rock instead of 1600 Penn.
No apology is the wrong word -- and uttered at the wrong time. Remember the blame America first crowd is out there and this is the type of word the opens up their BS.
I'm not sure that Nancy Cordes gave a complete and accurate "report" on Mike Huckabee's sentiments. Here is his official statement:
I am deeply troubled by the news accounts this morning of Pakistani opposition leader and former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto’s assassination in a suicide attack. This is devastating news for the people of Pakistan, and my prayers go out to them as we follow developments regarding this dire situation.
The terrible violence surrounding Pakistan’s upcoming election stands in stark contrast to the peaceful transition of power that we embrace in our country through our Constitution. On this sad day, we are reminded that while our democracy has flaws, it stands as a shining beacon of hope for nations and people around the world who seek peace and opportunity through self-government.
Benazir Bhutto's assassination should also stand as a stark reminder for those who doubt the nature of our enemy.
I believe that we are currently engaged in a world war. Radical Islamic fascists have declared war on our country and our way of life. They have sworn to annihilate each of us who believe in a free society, all in the name of a perversion of religion and an impersonal god. We go to great extremes to save lives, they go to great extremes to take them. This war is not a conventional war, and these terrorists are not a conventional enemy. We must fight the war on terror with the intensity and single-mindedness that it deserves.
It seems mbecker908, like CBS News, is a little too interested in showing Huckabee to be a buffoon without doing some background work. Interestingly, Huckabee was the second candidate (after Rudy) to issue a statement this morning, an hour after her death, per Politico.
... as in press release? If so, it seems possible that what is released by the campaign differs from what was actually said in person, cleaned up and polished for print media. That wouldn't be a bad thing for a campaign to do, of course, but it may mean that CBS is still right about the words that actually left Governor Huckabee's mouth.
You guys don't read much, or very well, do you?
1. The "apology" comment occured at an airport gathering of his supporters.
2. The statement he issued is just that. A statement from his staff.
As far as showing The Huckster to be a buffoon, all I have to do is report what he's done/said. He covers the details on that account very well. Pretty much like you showing off your inability to do reading comprehension.
There's nothing wrong with his written statement - likely prepared by others. He just isn't bright enough to know when to keep his mouth shut.
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MBecker908, you could not be more right about the Huckster. I am a Christian, but I don't appreciate him wearing God on his sleeve as if he is the only one who's a real Christian. He is a donkey in loose fitting elephant clothing, and I hope people see through his charade before it's too late. Everything is in flux right now, and I see Fred benefitting more that anyone else from divine providence's Huckabust.
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a statement isn't the same thing as the camera face time. I have listened to 7+ years of all of the comments about Bush making some gaffe here and there and cringed each time. When it is necessary to make an unprepared remark Huckabee's instinct is to come out with an apology. Words have meaning and apology was the wrong word.
The story isn't about what word was used in some press release... it's about what he said to a specific group of people at a specific place.
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No longer must we wonder what Huck means when he says something in an interview. Pay no attention to the man in front of the curtain. All we need to do is go straight to Huck's website and read the press release version. It's like having your very own Huckabee Rosetta Stone. Now I know I'll always be able to find out what Huck really means when he speaks.
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Mike- get lost... this is the last straw for me.
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For what it's worth (and for the record), here is Huck's "official statement":
News Release: Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee Issues Statement On Breaking News From Pakistan
December 27, 2007
Little Rock, AR – Former Arkansas Governor and Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee issued the following statement this morning after a campaign event in Florida:
“I am deeply troubled by the news accounts this morning of Pakistani opposition leader and former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto’s assassination in a suicide attack. This is devastating news for the people of Pakistan, and my prayers go out to them as we follow developments regarding this dire situation.
”The terrible violence surrounding Pakistan’s upcoming election stands in stark contrast to the peaceful transition of power that we embrace in our country through our Constitution. On this sad day, we are reminded that while our democracy has flaws, it stands as a shining beacon of hope for nations and people around the world who seek peace and opportunity through self-government.”
Mr. Ed
Straight from the Horse's Mouth
Here's the final paragraph of the official statement:
I believe that we are currently engaged in a world war. Radical Islamic fascists have declared war on our country and our way of life. They have sworn to annihilate each of us who believe in a free society, all in the name of a perversion of religion and an impersonal god. We go to great extremes to save lives, they go to great extremes to take them. This war is not a conventional war, and these terrorists are not a conventional enemy. We must fight the war on terror with the intensity and single-mindedness that it deserves.
Available here:
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=980
does anyone else think that the phrase "...we are reminded that while our democracy has flaws..." is very strange, especially in light of the context of the statement? Whether or not it is true, why bring it up here and now? I find this to be very odd and a little bit disheartening.
It is monarchical and aristocratical government only that requires ignorance for its support.
- Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1792
Its these little nuanced statements that Huckabee makes that are a window into his mind. Whenever you hear him speak, there always seems to be something that's just not quite right.
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One assumes that a written statement has some thought and purpose. This isn't an off the cuff remark. Why would he/the campaign feel the need to jab at our democratic process when the point was to remark on the mess in Pakistan?
It is monarchical and aristocratical government only that requires ignorance for its support.
- Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1792
he buys into the democrat argument that the country has been going in the wrong direction and needs significant change. The reason the MSM likes him so much is he parrots their talking points. He mixes in enough "conservative buzzwords" so he can later say he was taken out of context. And if that doesn't work, he just says, "but hey, I'm pro-life!"
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On that much I agree with mbecker.
How much one can read into this remains to be seen. I certainly think a clarification is in order.
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that one of the big selling points of this guy is supposed to be his ability as a communicator and yet it seems like every other time he opens his yap we have to wait for a clarification.
The guy is more and more like W every day. Without the good parts.
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He needs to be especially careful when discussing foreign-policy matters.
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I'm thinking Carter.
They sure did come boilin' out of the Huckabeehive with that press release, didn't they?
We know how successful Carter's foreign policy was ---- remember the Iranian hostages
I think that Carter would at least have been aware that martial law was lifted a couple of weeks ago. Huckabee seems frustratingly unfamiliar with world affairs.
I know that campaigning for President takes a lot of time, but knowledge of world affairs seems pretty central to that tast. This isn't the first time that Huckabee has seemed strangely unaware of what is going on in the world, and that worries me.
You hacks are looking for blood where there is none. Huckabee was not "apologizing for America". He was not blaming America for the attacks... geez, I expect this small brain stuff from the leftists, but does RS want to be the DailyKos of the right?
don't you think he would have elaborated, even just a little? It makes much more sense that when making an impromptu statement regarding a tragedy that he chose an ambiguous word. No smoke, no fire.
It is monarchical and aristocratical government only that requires ignorance for its support.
- Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1792
Agreed,
But the Huckabotts all seem to imply that they know what he really meant. I don't. So I'm asking: who was he apologizing to and for what?
...he didn't mean to apologize for the US (which I think he did) giving him the benefit of the doubt -- This is the umpteenth time the man has misspoken and needed clarification!!! Haven't we had enough of that already?
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the so-called establishment who is so opposed to the idea of Huckabee nomination is being especially critical in analyzing every word that comes out of his mouth?
It is monarchical and aristocratical government only that requires ignorance for its support.
- Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1792
...are you talking about?
I see little organized opposition except on the part of the various campaigns he's fighting against for the nomination.
You're not really suggesting these campaigns shouldn't be analyzing what the man says?
If you're somehow suggesting that there's organized media opposition you couldn't be more wrong...he's only enjoying his new found position because of said media!
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The man is always trying to keep Huckabee down.
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by the Huckabee campaign and plenty of people on this site. I am not going to attempt to define the term, I only used it in the sense that he is the anti-establishment candidate. I DON"T SUPPORT HUCKABEE, but rather than focus on one word, shouldn't we as a party be looking at the bigger picture? That this reminder of terrorism and global affairs might very well torpedo Huckabee and other candidates who are viewed as being deficient on foreign policy knowledge and experience? I think this changes the race substantially, and not in Huckabee's favor - but let's not get hung up on deciphering every word and/or phrase.
It is monarchical and aristocratical government only that requires ignorance for its support.
- Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1792
...because you simply cannot!
If Huckabee's numbers decline for being soft on terrorism (which I don't think he is) he's got nobody to to blame but himself.
you're also moving the goalposts a bit here, his responses to situations such as these are one of the best indicators of how he responds to crisis and his initial reactions are also of great importance showing his capacity to lead!
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Let's see. That would include, but not be limited to, the following...
* Fiscal Conservatives.
* People who believe in reducing the tax burden.
* People who understand that government IS the problem.
* Defense Conservatives.
* People concerned with national security.
* People who understand the Democrats are the enemy.
* SoCons who understand that he will waste his time and capital on stuff that can't be passed.
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...he was apologizing for not invading Pakistan and setting up a demoratic society in which Bhutto would be safe to campiagn.
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that nobody - probably even the WonderBoy himself - has a clue what the hell he was talking about. See my comment to Alexham above. He's supposed to be the second coming of the Great Communicator and every other time he opens his mouth we have to wait for clarification from his staff.
By the way, please elaborate on where the CBS News commentator, myself or anybody else up to now who's commented here has indicated he's "apologizing for America". Once again, you prove that in order to be Huckabot material you have to have failed reading comprehension.
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...to request having your account turned back on.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
He DIDN'T sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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sell the White House to Holiday Inn?
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Now that we've dissected Huckabee's statements on Pakistan, compare them to FDT's. The choice could not be more clear, FDT is ready to lead.
HARRIS FAULKNER: Senator, your reaction, first, to the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.
FRED THOMPSON: It is a tragedy, of course. It reminds us that things can happen in faraway places of the world that can affect the United States. I think this should be of great concern to us. It is almost a perfect storm in a very bad sense because two forces are operating against each other that are both desirable. One is democracy: they were making progress in that regard in that country. Former prime minister Bhutto was an important part of that process. But the other is stability. Pakistan is a nuclear country, and we cannot afford to let nukes fall into the hands of dangerous Muslim radicals. We are hoping those two things can be balanced out. We can see the continued progress toward a democratic society but also maintain stability in the country, which seems to be very much in doubt right now.
FAULKNER: I know you are running for the White House, so I don’t want to put you in a position to second guess the president. But I’m interested in your opinion. President Bush is due to talk with Pervez Musharraf shortly. What do you anticipate that conversation should be like?
THOMPSON: Those two things that I mention probably would be high on the agenda. What could be done to not impose martial law, to not crack down, but be mindful of the fact that there are radical elements in that country, and perhaps even within the government, that would like to see instability and chaos and see those weapons fall into the wrong hands. This is part of a bigger problem. We need to understand that this is not a criminal investigation any more - so we find the bad guys and bring them to justice - it’s a war.
This proves again the mindset of the radical elements that we are dealing with. We are seeing this all across Northern Africa and various places. We’re seeing it across the Middle East and in parts of Asia including Indonesia and other places. We have to come to terms with that and do the things necessary to prevail. One of the things we need to be talking about is what Musharraf can do, additionally, to crack down on the Taliban. I think they have been insufficient in that respect.
FAULKNER: Taliban also supporters of al Qaeda in that country. Pakistan has been an important ally in the war on terror, so have do you walk that line?
THOMPSON: You just walk it. No one said it has been easy and simple. Pakistan has never been easy or simple. I had a chance a few years ago to talk to Musharraf before things got quite as complex as they are now. But it has always been an important part of the world. They’re next door to India. They’ve had a crisis after crisis with regard to them. They’re next door to Afghanistan, and they’re important to us. They’ve been helpful to us. But we’ re going to have to walk that line between democracy on the one hand and stability on the other. But I think it’s possible.
when I heard about the murder, I fully expected to hear the Democrats and the DKos types blame President Bush for "taking his eyes off the ball" and allowing bin Laden to escape into Pakistan, and causing this entire resurgence of terrorists there.
I did not expect to hear anything like that coming from a Republican -- certainly not a Republican candidate for president.
If the US needs to apologize to Pakistan, what other reason would that be?
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Considering where the good doctor's head was, when practicing medicine, is it any wonder that the man has issues?
"apologies"?
I wonder if that is accurate and that he actually said "sympathies."
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We know that because apparently his campaign just came out and said he meant sympathies.
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but I was just going to say he either meant "apologies" and is an idiot, or meant "sympathies" and is NOT a great communicator.
Either way, Fred's off-the-cuff remarks were measured, concise and intelligent and Huck's were not.
You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
I had a physics professor in college and a medical school professor who were both firm believers in Occam's Razor.
William of Ockham was a fourteenth century English logician and Franciscan friar who came up with the principle which stated that, "All other things being equal, the simplest explanation is usually the best one." This principle also states that, "Explanations of any phenomenon should make as few ASSUMPTIONS as possible."
So, let's see what the simplest explanation to Huckabee's using the word "apologies" is. Is it--
A.) That Huck pretends to be a social conservative pastor, but he secretly hates America and feels that the US and George Bush are somehow involved in, or responsible for, Bhutto's assassination and, therefore, feels that the US should apologize for her death.
B.) That he used the word "apologies" when he meant to say "sympathies" or "condolences".
Personally, I think that if you applied Occam's Razor to this scenario, then the correct answer would obviously be B. However, if you are currently sitting in a dark room listening to Pink Floyd while staring at a lava lamp, or trying to play a Beatles's album backwards in order to hear "Paul is dead", then you might think that the correct answer is A.
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
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So, Virgil, you actually think that Huckabee intended to apologize to Pakistan? You're going to stick with this being the "simplest explanation"? Really?
The following is a quote from George W. Bush--
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5613296/
So, according to you, the simplest explanation for Bush's statement is not that he made a mistake and misspoke--even though it's extremely easy to do and people (and politicians) misspeak all the time. So, do you, also, think that Bush "never stops thinking about new ways to harm our country"?
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon. Don't stare too long at the lava lamp.
It is consistent with his past [sarcasm]brilliance[/sarcasm] in foreign policy speak.
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1. Nobody on this thread has indicated that The Huckster hates America.
2. The issue does not revolve around whether or not he actually thinks the US owes Pakistan an apology.
3. The Hucksters have made great hay about what a fantastic communicator the man is, especially when compared to GWB.
4. Every other day - or so it seems - he bounds out and makes some stupid statement that requires serious explanation from his campaign.
5. He is a foreign policy pinhead.
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When Romney misspeaks and implies that his sons helping out with his campaign is analogous to the soldiers serving in the Iraq war, then he's not stupid or a bad communicator--he just misspoke.
However, when Huck uses the word "apologies" when he clearly meant to say "sympathies", then he's a terrible communicator even though he's won a lot of the debates. I don't know what that says about the other guys in the debates if Huck's supposed to be so bad. Oh, who cares--that doesn't matter. Huck misspoke, and no other politician ever misspeaks except Mike Huckabee--so he must be a big stupid idiot/pinhead. Not to mention, his supporters must all be morons too. It doesn't matter that you guys have never, ever passed up the opportunity to call Huck and his supporters stupid. But, hey, this really proves you guys correct. Huck used the wrong word in a sentence--what an idiot!! God, how could I ever have supported him. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.
Oh, and I guess that it doesn't matter that Huck has pretty much the same foreign policy experience that Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George W Bush had. I guess it, also, doesn't matter that he's got the same foreign policy experience that Mitt Romney has and more than twice the gubernatorial experience. He said "apologies", instead of "sympathies", so he's a big fat stupidhead.
Reagan was well known in international circles and on the national stage before 1980. His anti-communism speaches put him in contact with many world leaders (including Margaret Thatcher) before he ran for President.
It is not accurate to compare Reagan with Huckabee in terms of pre-presidential foreign policy experience.
And that makes my point, i.e. that it is not experience that makes for a good foreign policy. It's judgment. Its the lessons one learns from history and human nature.
All the cold war presidents before Reagan had more so-called experience than him, but it was Reagan that understood economics, the power of the call of God and freedom to the human heart, the power of deterrance, the power of shame (evil empire), etc
I was Reagan that waited 20 years to whisper to Gorby: We win, you lose.
Not the experienced detente experts
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I've made no comparison to any other candidate, I've taken Huck on his own. As a matter of fact, I don't think I've made a comparison to another candidate in any comments or blogs. Your bringing Mitt into this discussion is pointless. Expected, but pointless.
I don't happen to like Mitt much so any comparison on my part would likely be negative. As a matter of fact, I have one common complaint with both Mitt & Huck. They both have extensive political experience compromising with Democrats. In their particular states that may well be necessary, but in Washington it's an act of political suicide.
With respect to the example you picked about Mitt and his sons, I happen to think that was one of the more stupid statements I've heard in recent times and I'm pretty sure I said so at the time. There is a difference however, and you are obviously too dense to figure it out. The Pakistan remark has to do with foreign affairs and stuff like that gets lots of press and gets the opportunity to offend our allies(?) and are typically rather difficult to "take back".
With respect to the incident in question, the whole point - again - is that you Huckabots have gone out of your way to crow about how Huck is the Great Communicator. In fact, given his performance on the campaign trail, he's no better than GWB.
With respect to you comments comparing his foreign policy experience to Reagan, Clinton and GWB, you've obviously not thought that one through. Clinton's FP was a freaking disaster. We'll never know about GWB's FP because of the war. Bottom line, he's no shining star. I'll toss in Carter, who actually made Clinton look good. And then there's Reagan. Did he have actual, hands on experience? No. Did he have extraordinarily well thought out FP policy ideas that he had worked on for years and then turned into a FP that won the Cold War? Yes he did. He was arguably better grounded in FP before he took office than either Carter or Clinton when they left office.
Bottom line... The Huckster is not the "Great Communicator", he's just a smooth talker. Not that you would know the difference. And, in point of fact, based on his attempts at both FP speeches and his recent published articles, he's a pinhead when it comes to FP. I mean really, when asked who he looked to for FP advice he named Frank Gaffney and Thomas Friedman. Neither of whom are on any kind of FP advisory team and who hold positions that could be said to be diametrically opposed on most issues.
I would assume - always gets me in trouble - that when The Huckster gets his head handed to him after Iowa that you'll be going back to the Democratic Party where thought processes like you've demonstrated here are both welcomed and standard practice. Have a nice day.
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First of all, only an idiot would think that listening to two opposing viewpoints would be a bad thing. Do Dick Cheney and Colin Powell see eye to eye on all foreign policy matters? Do Cheney and James Bakers agree on everything? No one person can know everything. Therefore, even a foreign policy expert, like George H W Bush, must solicit a wide range of viewpoints when making foreign policy decisions. In fact, many Republicans think that the Iraq war has been badly mismanaged. Many people attribute that to Bush relying too heavily on one group of people with similar viewpoints--i.e., Cheney and Rumsfeld. On a side note, Gaffney and Friedman were both initially in favor of the Iraq war.
Second of all, only an idiot would think that by verbally abusing someone and calling them an "Idiot", you would make your point, or convince people that you're right. Good God, man--you sound like a six year old.
Thanks for proving my point.
1. Not only is there nothing wrong with hearing opposing points of view, it's a really good thing. The PROBLEM occurs when POTUS makes a decision and the guy who's opinion was rejected goes off the reservation and opposes the decision covertly while remaining a part of the "team". See Colin Powell.
Bush did the right thing with Baker. Gave him a "commission", let him make a complete fool of himself and ignored him. With luck, we won't be hearing from Baker & Co again.
With respect to your comments about soliciting a wide range of viewpoints, again, in principle you're right. I would point out that Rudy and Fred have both done that - months ago - and have staffed their advisory teams with real policy heavyweights in several areas including foreign policy, economic/tax policy and judicial policy/appointments. So far The Huckster has booked several nights at Holiday Inn Express. His policy advisors are... oh yeah, nonexistent.
With respect to the Iraq War and it's handling, count me in among the folks who didn't like the first few years. At the end of the day though, the only thing that matters is who wins and it looks likes General Petraeus has turned that corner. Fortunately, even though I didn't like the order of battle, our losses were miniscule and in the long run, things appear that they may well turn out for the best. Of course, partisan Democrats and idiots will never figure that one out.
With respect to Gaffney and Friedman, once again you've completely missed the point. The point is this: Huckabee has thus far spent about an hour with Gaffney, randomly seated with him at some dinner or another. I doubt he's ever met Friedman. He's just read some of their stuff - probably at a Holiday Inn Express. The guy has no FP or military advisors, and the result is apparent in his speeches and his writing. He's an ignorant fool. Now, don't get me wrong. There's nothing wrong with ignorance, it can be cured by surrounding yourself with people who actually are knowledgable. Huck's problem is that he's not smart enough to do that. But then again, he not only stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, he went to Bible College (his comment, one of the debates).
Finally, pointing out that you are an idiot is not a matter of verbal abuse, it's simply pointing out a fact. Deal with, or not. I don't care one way or the other. You've pretty well established your cred as a Huckabot with no conservative leanings and, in general, a whiner. But that's what we expect from Democrats.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
Mbecker, here is a direct quote from you:
--"With respect to the Iraq War and it's handling, count me in among the folks who didn't like the first few years. At the end of the day though, the only thing that matters is who wins and it looks likes General Petraeus has turned that corner. Fortunately, even though I didn't like the order of battle, our losses were miniscule and in the long run, things appear that they may well turn out for the best. Of course, partisan Democrats and idiots will never figure that one out."--
I think that you misspoke--or at least I hope that you did. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, which is more than you've given Huck. I have a brother that has served seven years in the navy, and is currently in the reserves, and I have two cousins fighting in Iraq as we speak. If I lost anyone of them, I can assure you that the loss would not be "minuscule". Petraeus has turned a corner, and I am extremely grateful to him. However, make no mistake--the losses and sacrifices of those heroic soldiers and families are anything but "minuscule".
PS--You're still and idiot, but not because you misspoke about this.
I'll fill you in. We are a Marine Corps family. When he was on active duty my son was a SpOps team leader with 2/4. His unit did two tours in the Sunni Triangle and they hold the dubious record for combat losses. I've been to more military funerals ad counseled with more Gold Star families than I care to think about. Every soldier, sailor & Marine is a percious commodity to me and the loss of one is a personal tragedy for their families and loved ones.
What I was referring to in my "miniscule losses" comment was the total number of combat losses and injuries requiring transport out of theater. We've been in Iraq over five years and out losses are less than the landings on Iwo Jima, Okinawa or D-Day. Take a look at the Battle of the Bulge where we sustained over 50,000 casualties in a little more than a week. Or in Vietnam when the body counts were running from 500 to 800 a week.
My point was that, while I disapprove of the order of battle, the military has done an exceptional job of keeping our guys alive and in one piece. Also, it's interesting that with the surge our casualties have gone down not up even though we have more guys operationally in harms way.
To reinterate, my comment was related to the order of battle and our very low combat loss rate, not the loss of an individual soldier.
I typed this on my SmartPhone and it doesn't spell check and it sometimes drops letters. Could you please fix my comment in the painfully obvious place.
Thanks.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
Misnomer calling it a SmartPhone -- huh?
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Considering where the good doctor's head was, when practicing medicine, is it any wonder that the man has issues?
I also know you would NEVER disparage the sacrifices of our troops, and we are indebted to your family's service.
My only point was that it is very easy to misspeak or to have comments misinterpreted. If any presidential candidate used the term "minuscule" to describe the losses in Iraq (even how you meant it), his/her presidential aspirations would be over-- stick a fork in them, they would be done. You know it, I know it, Franz knows it.
So cut Huck some slack--he made a mistake. He is only human, just like you, me, and Franz (my husband says I treat my dog like a person, and I am sure that you do too).
Their words go beyond hurt feelings when it comes to the kind of gaffes Huck's been up to.
Gaffe aside, he is still either totally ignorant on FA or he's plain stupid based on his speechs and his writing on the subject.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
"I" was over the top in my estimation of Huck & foreign policy, check out the guys at powerlineblog.com. They're smarter than I am & much better informed.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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Don't read between the lines. Use some logic or better yet get someone to read what I posted for you.
If you don't understand something as simple as simplicity you will never uderstand Occam.
BTW I despise pink floyd, the beatles and my only use for lava lamps is target practice.
"[Expletive] you! I know more about this than anyone else in the room."
John McCain on Immigration Reform
We're always hearing from Huckabots about how we must pin to Romney the things he said 10 years ago.
And yet... they want us to overlook what their guy said 10 hours ago.
'Cause Romney contradicts himself on fundamentals, of course.
A bit surprising that anyone would make a stand on the topic of Mitt Romney's serial inconstancy. One would think it's a given that his supporters would want the rest of us to not notice that.
Especially just as you embark on a primary campaign in a conservative party.
Coincidental timing, no doubt.
This is even more inane than the manufactured fracas over "leeching" churches.
inane as everything you've posted relative to The Huckster.
It's almost like you've donated you brain to medical science because, frankly Josh, you're better than this. But I guess when your candidate of choice is a braindead fool you d the best you can. Which has been appropriately bad.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
I am better than spittle-flecked obsessives with their hate-objects: be those objects Presidents, candidates, or others.
I'm sure you're a decent fellow in most things, but on this topic, online, you're quite deranged. It's something to see.
"It's almost like you've donated you brain to medical science" Kind of wish I was that good. But since I plan on being a Minister its probably just as well that I don't pick up the skill.
I'm sure our enemies would love to sit across the table with Huckabee! He would sell America down the drain and apologize for all the worlds problems.
This man is definitely not leader material..
Word on the street is that Mike Huckabee's pollster helped elect a communist in Hungry in 2006. Way to be just like Reagan Huckster.... surround yourself with people that helped stop Reagan from tearing down communism's wall... so proud of you. This guy is such a moron and is surrounded by Pro-Communist Advisors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferenc_Gyurcs?ny This guy is one of Dresner Wickers and Associates clients... who by the way, ran the Young Communists in the early 80's and helped put down pro-western and democratic movements... Wonder if Dresner is associated with the Anti-Mormon push polls too. Huck, foreign policy and your choice in staff leaves a lot to be desired...
ARK Conservative
Go find a real issue to discuss. This one is a non-issue. The guy is a pollster, not an advisor on foreign policy. And don't go posting this crap piece of spam on every blog or Moe will have his way with you. Sooner than later I hope.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
in which I had to hire or cross-examine expert witnesses concerning mental capacity, I do not think that Susannah is an idiot!
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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Being able to eloquently express a point of view completely devoid of reason does not make one something other than an idiot. An eloquent idiot perhaps, but an idiot nonetheless.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
position!
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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Thanks GC for the vote of confidence--I try my best to be a decent contributor. Sorry to be so late to respond, but I've been out of pocket and haven't had a lot of access to a computer recently. Yesterday, I was on a plane all day traveling home from Texas. The days before that, were New Year's day and New Year's Eve--enough said. And, then, my birthday was December 30th. In a nutshell, I've been busy. I hope that you, and everyone at RS, had a Merry Christmas and an awesome New Year's Eve.
wish you and he good luck. He's not my top pick, but he has a lot of great qualities as a person and a lot to offer the GOP and America.
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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I thought that Huck did a great job on the tonight show--I just knew he was going to play his guitar. However, in all fairness, The Tonight Show is really the perfect venue for someone like Huck. Therefore, I was slightly more impressed with his MTP appearance.
On a side note, I wish you and Fred good luck. Whatever happens, Fred and Huck are both good men (and good Tonight Show guests), and I'm sure that they both will be fine. Have a great night.
Leno!
Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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A vote for Fred is a vote for Guiliani. The time for Social Conservative Republicans to coalesce behind one candidate has come. The polls show Huckabee is the double-digit lead choice in Texas, 1st in Iowa, South Carolina, Florida, Michigan, Oklahoma, Georgia, North Carolina, Arkansas, 2nd place in California, Nevada, and many others. Time is running short fellow SoCons. Let's now get together regardless of minor differences or disagreements. Huckabee can beat Hillary like a drum, if we all pull together, in unity.



Is Huckabee a Michael Moore type who sees everything that is bad in the world tied to the US?