Breaking: Ann Coulter endorses Mitt Romney at CPAC. (UPDATED!)

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ImageIt has been, as they say, an interesting afternoon. I'm starting to understand why most bloggers stick around the Row: everybody walks by, eventually.

UPDATE: Romney: "I love all endorsements." He left before I asked him whether his critique of entitlements includes agricultural subsidies.

Yet another UPDATE: The language in this thread has been sanitized. This would be a blipping hint, except that hints aren't apparently working. No profanity.

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Moe can fix it back if he was trying for some deeper effect that sailed over my head, as opposed to a typo. Because he's Moe, sometimes he does that.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

"But you have to say about Romney, he tricked liberals into voting for him," Coulter said. "I like a guy who hoodwinks liberals so easily."

That's a ringing endorsement: he gets elected not by clearly and honestly stating his position on the issues so all understand where he's coming from, but through misleading a large segment of the voters as to his true hidden agenda simply to gain votes.

I'm not sure Ann Coulter's support is going to help Romney much. After the 9/11 wives business, any boat she sails on is bound to sink. Might be a good move for Romney to distance himself from her. What she said above doesn't make him sound very willing to work honestly with Nancy Pelosi and the rest, nor does it put him in a good position to get some left wing support.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

" he gets elected not by clearly and honestly stating his position on the issues so all understand where he's coming from, but through misleading a large segment of the voters as to his true hidden agenda simply to gain votes."

America just elected/reelected, every member of the house. I didn't read every one of their positions, but I suspect most told the voters that they were the candidate that believed in
American values. Two days ago, 241 of these house members told America they did not not believe in secret ballots. I can't believe that most American voters think that Americans are not entitled to a secret ballot. I think that every House member that voted to strip Americans of the right to a secret ballot
misled their voters.

Hell they deserve each other what a losing pair. If he's nominated we better get ready for the 2nd Clinton Administration She is our Jane Fonda and he belongs to a so called religion that is just a small step above the HEAVONS GATE CULT. Tell me who is going to be the vice presidential candidate if Romney gets the nomination David Koresh oh I forget he's died at Waco. I guess he can pardon Warren Jeffs and get him to run with him since they both believe in polgamy. I belong to a real church not one that believes that pepsi is a sin and that Jesus was hanging out with Pocahontas after the Resurrection in Pre-Columbian North America. We better nominate McCain or Rudy and not this flip flopping cult member. The truth hurts doesn't it.

We need another HazMat Spill Cleanup Team™ to aisle 5!

Is this how they teach you to act and speak with such invectives and scorn?
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Hi there. This is your one warning. Watch the language, keep the discussions of the man's religion somewhere else, and we'll contemplate letting you stay. We cool?

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Innnnnnteresting...

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an official endorsement?

According to one of her biggest fans, my brother, I thought this was common knowledge.

Well done is better than well said. —Benjamin Franklin

She said, (paraphrasing) "I don't have an endorsement yet, but to those Republican voters I will say this. Look at where electability got the Democrats in 2004. Don't do that. Nominate the crazy, radical, right wing nutcase becuase HE is the one you want."

I guess we now know who she thinks that is. Good for Mitt! Maybe he can put Ann's good friend Miguel Estrada on the Supreme Court, too! :-)

"I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ‘f****t' – so... Kind of at an impasse. Can't really talk about Edwards, so I think I'll just conclude here and take your questions."

That's just the sort of thing I want someone who is endorsing me to pop out with, yeah

I wasn't particularly pleased with the Coulter endorsement before this additional information came to light

I would comment on John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ‘f****t.’

She uses this reference frequently it's a reference to Isaiah Washington and rampant ridiculous PC liberalism.

you're going into rehab

While discussing politicians and celebrities who "run to rehab in times of crisis," earlier today on Fox News Channel, conservative pundit Ann Coulter mocked the idea that someone should have to be "rehabilitated" for using a word that is considerd a slur against gays.

"You use the word 'f****t' and you're going into rehab?" Coulter asked incredulously on Fox's Live Desk A-List.

The best selling Godless author was referring to Grey's Anatomy star, Isaiah Washington, who used the word twice in reference to co-star T.R. Knight. Knight later publicly "came out" when word broke out about the on-set scuffle the two actors had.

Washington has been facing a lot of criticism from gay activists, the press, and even his fellow castmembers, and he recently checked into a treatment center to address his "issues

This is typical of liberal’s criticism of Ann; they're usually 3 steps behind her mind!

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...she can't talk about John Edwards without using the word f****t.

Let's repeat it:

I would comment on John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ‘f****t.’

And if Ann did this in the same speech as she endorsed Mitt... you'll bet this will have legs.

"I would comment on John Edwards" comma "but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ‘f****t'"...reference above (meaning what she has to say about Edwards would land her in rehab) - so... Kind of at an impasse...

If you choose to take it the way you posted it that’s fine I’m not here to try and change your mind!

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That's how it is going to be taken by pretty much everyone else who reads it.

...their fault!

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Romney's problem.

as I said upthread, this just isn't the kind of recommendation that he needs.

Look do think she should have used that word - No I don't and as she was speaking to her crowd (for the most part) most likely they understood what she was getting at.

As for the Romney campaign they have little to worry about the one that will complain the loudest are liberals and they bash Ann constantly so SSDD!

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what was she getting at?

...entitled "Ok I’ll go slowly"

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Along with how to talk to a liberal.
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Coulter said it to put Romney in the hotseat, but it really isn't very good press for anyone at CPAC. It was mendacious and very purposeful.

"Violently anti-communist, and much more militaristic than the norm."

It doesn't read worth a d****d. You have to hear her voice inflection for it to be clear she was being facetious about Washington. Implying if you have to go to rehab for using the word 'f****t', just think what they'd do to her given what she'd be likely to say about Edwards. It was classic Coulter... and it sure was not calling Edwards a 'f****t'.

But peopl;e will read into it what they are pre-disposed to.

...what thing do you believe she couldn't have said about Edwards... if not the word f****t?

...of the many "off limits" words and or phrases the PC police add to their list on a daily basis.

Better question is what makes you think Ann believes Edwards to be a homosexual?

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"what makes you think Ann believes Edwards to be a homosexual?"

Probably the fact she chose to refer to him as a 'f****t' today at the CPAC. That would be my first clue.

following along. Your argument about what she was referring to is uncompelling, because the original formulation of the argument is as stupid as the repetition of it.

Of all the people I thought I would see someone bending over backwards to defend, Coulter would have been the last one.

And bending over backwards??? Look jumping up and down saying looky Ann called Edwards a F*#*?**! when the quote is ambiguous will obviously score you a lot of points on KOS and MyDD so have at it.

This is frankly boring me now and there are beers to bought and imbibed

Cheers

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This has that Macaca feel all over again.

The THING that happened isn't nearly as bad as the attempts to explain away the thing that happened.

Mitt didn't say this. Ann did.

Mitt can walk away from it very, very quickly.

You claim that your basis for interpretation of Coulter's remark as calling Edwards gay is that she called him gay?

I'm no Coulter fan. But what she as saying was this: since the standard for the PC Police is such that using the word "f****t" is grounds for a rehab stay, what Coulter would have to say about Edwards would really get her in trouble.

That does not mean Edwards is gay. It imlies that he is something worse, but leaves whatever "someting worse" is up to the imagination of the audience.

If nothing else, we (non-Coulter fans) have to admit that she is clever in her derision. In fact, if there is a Creative Public Takedown Hall of Fame, Coulter should get her own wing.

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And how does Side Show Ann's comments in general and in this specific case help to sell a conservative point of view to voters? Oh yea...we're the funny snarky party that are so unsure of our beliefs and ideology that we resort to comments about our opponents sexuality. Yea that's a winner.

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A personal injury lawyer who made himself extremely rich by convincing juries of completely bogus medical theories that no reputable doctor endorses. In other words, she considers him an Uber-ambulance chaser, more intersted in serving himself than having any remote interest in doing public good.

I've heard her speak on the issue numerous times. I've never heard her make a reference to what she feels is his sexual orientation, and I'm sure she couldn't care less if she had any reason to think he was homosexual. She's into politics and conservative values.... like actually having a value system and a set of ethics. Not someone's ethnicity, creed, or the bedroom habits of consenting adults.

But you're really stretching it if you think she wasn't implying that she wanted to call Edwards a f****t. It's pretty plain. Maybe she misspoke, but pretty much any rational person who reads that quote would come to the same conclusion.

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You would have a point if she hadn't frequently used this reference before today.

For the record I'm not a big fan of Ann, but this silly!

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Is that she specifically mentioned John Edwards before using this reference. I don't care if she's used it a million times, she CLEARLY implied that she wanted to call John Edwards a ___ on this occasion.

"I would tell you how I feel about John Edwards, BUT if you use the word..."

Clear as day her intent.

And I find that absolutely disgusting. She's no better than any of the Kos Kooks if she has to resort to silly name-calling. She is (or at least I thought she was) far too intelligent to go down that road. I just lost a tremendous amount of respect for her. And I sincerely hope that Mitt Romney does not endorse that craptastic rhetoric, or he can forget getting my vote.

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I've already covered in this thread.

Suffice it to say we differ on this issue.

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this sort of train wreck. She is just like Michael Savage except that she is probably sane. She is the conservative version of Al Frankin, and quite frankly, I don't think we need a conservative version of Al Frankin

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Her voice inflection was very plain.

But, if this blows up on Republicans then all I can say is good, it needs to. I have been screaming on this and other sites for a long time now we cannot continue to embrace that kind of hate monger that is Ann Coulter.

Sure, she makes you laugh? she is right on most issues? she looks good in a short skirt? SO the hell what? Are we conservatives with principles or or we just a bunch of childish name callers like the liberals?

There is no place for this anymore than there was a place with Edwards for the like of Marcotte, and anyone who endorses or makes excuses for Coulter, has no right to bash someone like Marcotte.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

...is that I believed that at the very, very core there are certain things we all might agree on.

Thank you for reaffirming that belief.

and thank you for saying this. Ann Coulter simply goes too far sometimes. Her statement was inappropriate and counterproductive.

Annie is HOT! I have now asserted my inalienable right to insult who I wish and endorse who I wish. Try not to be so self-righteous. That is the most liberal trait not to emulate.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Thats kinda funny coming from you. Well, I guess we have our differences in style, but I will repeat, Coulter has said plenty scummy things herself, so if you slamm someone like Marcotte for their use of words, you're a hypocrite at best.

It always floored me when liberals attacked their fellow Americans in the most vicious ways just because they had disagreements, People they went to school with, people they worked with, people who were their neighbors.

It makes me even more upset when the right does the same thing.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Buck up matey.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

While Ann has may be liked by manh conservatives, I would much prefer to distance the GOP and conservatism from her type. She may say some things that are right, but most of the time her comments are laced with bigotry.

I think keeping her around harms the party more than helps it.

Sorry, I couldn't finish reading the rest of this thread without adding that Kyle is right on the nuts. Cut the fat and speak the truth. The conservative movement deserves better than Coulter.

calls John Edwards a f****t? Those that would don't like sweet Annie anyway and wouldn't vote for a Republican in any case. While I wouldn't call Edwards a f****t, I would call him a perfectly coiffed turd. However, I'm sure the MSM will use that space they were saving for the Virginia ACLU child porn story to rail about this "outrage" instead.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

You state,

"However, I'm sure the MSM will use that space they were saving for the Virginia ACLU child porn story to rail about this "outrage" instead."

And they will do exactly that. That's why this is the sort of thing that Romney doesn't need said, during a speech endorsing his presidency, by someone he introduced.

Bring sanity to the insane! ;0)

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...in the same speech.

I guarentee you someone's going to ask him, "What about what Ann said?"

That's the issue.

Hopefully he has the right answer.

Dude, it ain't an "issue". Let me help you grow. Iraq, homelessness, abortion, SCOTUS nominations, SS reform, those are "issues". What Ann Coulter says is entertainment for rational people, "issues" for irrational people and single cell journalists.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

...I hope your view is shared by Mitt Romney.

I hope (though really doubt) he sees no issue, like you do, with what Ann said.

Again, for the record, my take on Mitt Romney is that he does not feel using the word faggot is appropriate and predict he'll say so in the very near future.

Please.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

If by specifically WHO... still up in the air.

Probably Obama, possibly Edwards.

Still up in the air.

Just when I thought you didn't have a sense of humour.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

that calling people 'f****s' is entertaining to rational people. Do you find it entertaining when she does that?

Yep. by Tbone

Because it makes the PC hypocrites fume.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

So by musings

you don't think that 'f****t' is a pejorative term?

I understand that there is a certain type of person who merely gets enjoyment at causing others pain or consternation; I would be willing to accept a general statement that this is your preferred method of getting your jollies. Specific endorsements of slurs aren't necessary.

that would be me.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

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It also makes conservatives look like boorish malcontents.

Coiffed Turd....that is wonderful.

" in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."
Abe Lincoln

If you engage in that sort of rhetoric, calling him a f****t or a turd, then no one will listen to you when you call him what he really is, a dangerous demagogue. And really, do you want to be just like the democrats?

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

This is not unusual.

If the Romney camp prepared her remarks we may be talking about something here.

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when it all finally does blows up, and eventually it will, it will have a negative outcome, lie down with dogs, get fleas.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Happy and self assured. Know any that are? Of course not. If they were, they would be Republicans.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

I am exactly in the class of people you describe. I generally vote GOP, but when I hear people like Coulter speak, and even more so when I hear rank-and-file Republicans embrace her, it makes me feel that my side of politics is due for a good clean-out.

I'm with Kyle above: you can't have it both ways. Either that kind of crap is beyond the pale when it comes from either side of politics, or there are no standards that we are entitled to hold anyoneto.

Hearing Coulter endorse Romney makes me (even) more skeptical of him. If he embraces the endorsement, then I'm flat-out opposed to him. If he had the principles and guts to repudiate her, he would rise a great deal in my estimation.

it was clear in her voice inflection, and the just recently made reference the Isaiah Washington slurs, that she wasn't in any way referring to Edwards as a 'f****t'.... She was being facetious about Washington going to re-hab for using the word 'f****t', and about herself she was saying what amounted to, "Gee. No point in my speaking what I have to say about Edwards." or in other words, "If they make Washington go to re-hab for using the word 'f****t', just think what they'll do to me after what I would have to say about Edwards."

Had you heard her say it, her meaning was very clear.

It is a take-off on her usual riff, yes. However "I was going to say something about Edwards, but you have to go to rehab if..." is different than "You have to go to rehab if..." as a statement. She clearly called Edwards a f****t.

I didn't buy the quote when he said it, but when I was blog-hopping, the front page at DKos had the video.

So, was Ann setting Mitt up or something? Maybe she wants Brownback!

Look, I assume most of you find the word f****t offensive as it doesn't seem in the spirit of this sight and not in the spirit of what I THINK Mitt Romney is about.

He sure as heck doesn't need a MACACA moment, so he should just say something like "I would never use the word and will ask Ann not to do so again in my presence" and get on with his campaign.

What word is acceptable ? And just what does Macaca mean ? Its not on dictionary.com or google's define.
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I hear he has plenty of free time these days.

...f****t is not.

Right?

Or is f****t, in your mind, an acceptible word?

And you can keep arguing the macaca thing, but it took down George Allen insomuchas LOTS of people who voted for him last time did not buy his explination of what he said.

He had a lead BEFORE the comment and it started eroding the moment he said it.

But macaca aside, I'll go back to the real question:

Do you believe the word f****t is acceptible?

What I find unacceptable is small groups being able to impinge upon everyones freedom of speech.

And just who on this earth do you think you are to tell anyone what is or is not acceptable ?
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Then we know where we stand.

You know little and understand less.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
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...but you think f****t, k**e and n****r are accpeptible under some circumstances.

You will think of me what you will.

I will do the same where you are concerned.

Beyond that...

Go call mommy have her make the bad boys stop saying the bad words. Boo hoo boo hoo.
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more than one comment here about how foul-mouthed and hateful Liberals are.

Big case of 'boo hoo' there as well?

...debate has shifted to the acceptance of the word

Got spanked on the issue; in turn moved to picking gnat poop out of pepper, debating the acceptance of the word. Liberals; so predictable!

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Your argument that Coulter didn't do anything wrong, because she was merely referencing something foul she said in the past, is hard for anyone to swallow.

If anyone has gotten spanked on this issue, it's you; it is quite clear that her intent was to denigrate Edwards by implying that he is a 'f****t,' either in real-time or by referring to an earlier comment of hers.

I am wounded cut to the quick.
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I've read enough of Ann's written-words to say, "She "implied" nothing of the sorts."

    Her statement was a simple logical progression.

  • a) If you say "XXX" in this "politically correct" climate, you wind up in rehab.
  • b) What she would have to say about Edwards, given (a), would land her in rehab many times over.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

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She said (b) before she said (a). Thus implying that (a) is what she intended to say about Edwards.

This really isn't that hard. Ann screwed up. I like her, but she screwed up big time. I think most of us knew it was coming eventually.

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"I would comment on John Edwards" comma "but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ‘f****t'"...reference above (meaning what she has to say about Edwards would land her in rehab) - so... Kind of at an impasse...

Notice the three parts to the quote the last "so... Kind of at an impasse..." is most telling.

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I've read enough of Ann's written-words to say, "She "implied" nothing of the sorts."

The order in which those words were spoken does not prove she "intended" to call Edwards such. That is an assumption on your part.

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it was quite clear she was not.

Most agree that she was calling Edwards a f****t and then the defence turned into "F****t" is not unacceptible. I just played along.

I at least give YOU credit for saying that the word was not acceptible and that you would not have said it.

It seems most don't even have problem with the word.

Preach tolerance throw poop.
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I am sure you may find something unconditionally unusable. I tend toward liberal as over the line hatespeech.
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"What I find unacceptable is small groups being able to impinge upon everyones freedom of speech"

Freedom of speech has nothing to do with this. No one disputes Ann Coulter's right to say whatever she wants. People only dispute the propriety of implying that John Edwards is a f****t. Just like when people were angry about Edwards' bloggers' statements, they weren't questioning their free speech rights, only their propriety and judgement.

I fully recognize Ann Coulter's right to say what she did; but it was immature and it's not a violation of her rights to say so.

Yes, Ann is free to say whatever she likes, but saying whatever you like comes with consequences, and being called on it isn't censorship or a denial of free speech, it is reaping what you have sown.

Where you're from, f****t may be the worst name they're called. Where I'm from, it's one of the best. No it's not nice, but don't be thinking that the vast majority of the people living out here in flyover country consider it a cuss word.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

about homophobia in flyover country, don't you think?

I live in flyover country, and it is NOT, in fact, acceptable here to call people f****s. Just to make that clear.

I don't call people f****s. I hear such talk regularly, and though I don't approve, it doesn't horrify me. But then as musings says, we are all scared of them here.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

I'm sure Edwards is not a real f****t, but that name is frequently used to refer to sissies and weaklings as well. Particularly by young people. It doesn't seem quite so egregious to me because of his Breck Girl status.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

and to head off your next question, they are too young to know or understand what it means. Fortunately for the secular progressives, between the schools and the TV that surely won't last long.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

...when they are old enough to understand will you tell them its not a nice word and suggest they refrain from using it?

While my children are in my house, they will be required to follow my rules. Furthermore, I am certain that they will also come to know the truth and accept Jesus as Lord of their lives.

We believe that homosexuality is a lie of the enemy to drive a wedge between humans and their creator. If he can convince them that God made a mistake, or that He cared so little for them that He would deliberately make them wrong, it is more difficult for them to accept Him as their God.

As we believe that homosexuality is a sin, it would be sinful to call a person that; and if they are caught up in that destructive lie, it would be sinful to taunt them for it.

So, yes, I am doing my best to raise nice kids.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

I'm sure your kids are great and will stay that way.

Mine are too.

state exactly qualifies as "flyover" country, my values certainly do, and we don't use the word in our home, and when my kids use it or I hear kids at school use it, I will call them on it.

It may not be the absolute worst thing you could say, but it sure enough isn't acceptable either, and honestly it goes right into the whole being kind to others thing, and "f****t" isn't exactly using kind words.

It depends on what the meaning of f****t is. Check out dictionary.com

Check out urbandictionary.com's definition of f****t:

"In these times not really used if somebody is really a homosexual mostly used instead of calling somebody stupid or a loser."

So this word continues to evolve from contemptible woman to homosexual to stupid/loser.

We don't know for sure if it was meant as a gay slur at all, do we?

What we have here is politics at its worst. The prior restraint of speech and the retroactive determination of whats acceptable. Most people understand that these words refer to objectionable traits epitomized by a stereotype ? Whats next on newspeaks bonfire, Nazi, Terrorist, Klansman.

And since when did anyone give these people the right to define the debate ?

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You are saying that this is about free speech, but its not. We all hate political correctness, but this is not that. This is all about a presidential candidate, aligning himself with someone who is a loose cannon, who regularly says hatefull, and tasteless things.

Its a matter of taste, style and judgement.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Round up a bunch of NeoNazis and have them endorse Obama repeatedly and frequently.

And I agree despite my infatuation with the woman she stepped in it. She was trying to say something and did a poor job of it. But demanding self flagellation before the gods of the aggrieved ?

As Tbone so ably posted the other day, do we demand the Indians apologize to Custer ?
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

If anything Custer should apologize to the Indians.

Why are people outraged that Ann called Edwards a loser? John Edwards is a loser! The word doesn't mean what it used to mean and people are flipping out over an out-of-date definition. It is gaining acceptance in American Slang. Ann did nothing wrong.

Now come on. While it may be moving in that direction, "f****t" is not synomymous with "loser," nor is it as acceptable. I don't think it will have much effect on the race, but it wasn't something you should do. Public discourse isn't advanced any by that sort of comment.

but I am not biting, and she isn't going to use it among other words.

And even if it means "stupid/loser" I don't want my kid running around calling other people stupid either.

I'm just saying that the word has so many different connotations that we don't know which one Ann was using. If John Edwards isn't taking offense, why should anyone else? He's using it to raise money. This is on his website next to the video of Ann:

Friday afternoon, Republican mouthpiece Ann Coulter brought hate-speech politics to a new low. This video shows Coulter addressing the American Conservative Union's Political Action Conference, March, 2, 2007 in Washington, D.C. We must show that inflaming prejudice to attack progressive leaders will only backfire. Can you help us raise $100,000 in "Coulter Cash" this week to keep this campaign charging ahead and fight back against the politics of bigotry?

Coulter Cash? Thats beyond funny!

...Macaca did or didn't mean, it in part cost Allen the election. If one is on a large stage, one should pay attention to what one says, or what one's potential supporters say.

You can control the minds and words of supporters but over here in the real world supporters don't always do what you want them to do. I support Romney but I don't expect him to take the time to refute every offensive thing I might do or say... I leave it to you to do that for him. Thanks for being on the job.

A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. -John Adams

Read, comprehend, then comment.

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That it's a question of "controlling" supporters. It's association.

I'll be clear: I don't support Romney, and probably won't vote Republican. But Romney is unlikley to get any indepedent or Democratic votes if he's associated with someone who claimes that he fooled liberals into voting for him, or calls presidential candidates "f****s".

On second thought, he should go right ahead and give support to what Anne said. The fewer vialbe Republicans in the race, the better.

Washington wasn't "forced" into rehab. He went voluntarily, probably for anger-management issues. He lost his temper on the job, and the incident which got all the press wasn't the first time he had done so.

He did serious damage to his career by not controlling his temper. Nobody forced him into rehab. There's no rehab for using slurs against people.

Coulter's choice to frame the issue as one of the "PC Police" sending someone to rehab is false.

Can you elaborate, please?

I can't help you!

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PC policing? How much tin foil do you need to make a hat like that?

The man called a gay co-worker a "f****t" in the course of a physical altercation on the job. He happens to be an actor on a very popular television show. His bosses, the producers of that show, had to revert to crisis management once the ordeal hit the gossip mags. This wasn't his first time causing drama like that on the set. Being unable to control emotional outbursts is often symptomatic of some other issue.

Like I said before, there is no rehab for crude language. If he went to rehab, it was for something else.

...to cure the "inner hatred" that would allow him to even think such a word. And the kicker? The catalyst wasn't his using it in the altercation (which was verbal, not physical) -- the catalyst in forcing him to go to rehab was using the word a second time, in the context of saying "I didn't call [TR Knight] a f****t."

Hate speech! He used it in a sentence, in which he was denying earlier pejorative use of the word - a new height of ridiculousness, IMHO.

Wrong. He didn't go to anger managment. He had a psychiatric evaluation. And maybe he wasn't led their in cuffs, but the social and employment pressures associated with the Hollywood elite did force him to go. Do you really think he would volunarily submit to psychiatric evaluation for saying the word f****t. The fact that he had psychiatric evaluation for saying the word f****t says a lot about the dangerous mindset of liberals. They really belive such people have some sort of disease and need to be treated. That is their mindset.

And if really really beleive this crap, then I submit to you that about 90% of the people in are armed forces need a psychiatric evaluation. I don't and I think this type of stuff is a lot more offensive and dangerous than Coulter's little quip.

swamp

I want you to do something for me.

Bright and early, go into your work place and start calling people racial, sexual and ethnic slurs, then report back on what your employeer did to you.

A TV set is a work place, subject to the same work place restrictions on harassment, and hostile work place laws. You think in your work place, one of the key people could get away with doing what I suggested above? Hmmm can you say "1 800 I'm going to sue the pants off you" for a hostile work place, especially in Gay friendly California?

Oh wait, these are actors, they are different, so they get a pass in their work place for being an idiot? This fool of an actor is lucky he did not get canned and his carrier as an actor completely ended. The Hollywood Gay Mafia would never hire this guy again unless he ate a lot of crow, which he did. If I were an actor, I'm not sure I would want to be on a set with someone that is that clueless to other people.

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What ever happened to apologizing. Somone says f****t and they're pressured into checking into a "center for psychological evaluation". Like I stated, if you're so offended by such language, you must really hate American soldiers. Go drinking with a bunch of leathernecks and see home times someone drops a word like f*g, sissy or homo. Or visit any construction site, or fishing boat, or locker room, etc... Is this site infested with a bunch of Ivory Tower pseudo-intellectual conservatives or people who live in the real world. It may not be right, but people don't need to check into centers for "psychological evaluation" for saying a juvenile word. I can't beleive how many politically correct people infest this conservative site. We are losing ground everywhere.

Remember, there was a physical altercation associated with Washington's use of the word. There was a fight on the set between some of the actors. Washington has a reputation as a hot-head and this wasn't his first time causing drama on the job.

I will agree that part of his decision to go into rehab was due to damage control, but there was something beyond the use of crude language there. There is no rehab for the use of crude language. He aimed the slur at a co-worker on purpose. That says more to me about his ability to control his temper than anything.

I know that members of the military use crude language all the time. I don't have a problem with it. I grew up in a military household. The urinals in my dad's building had stickers of Hanoi Jane on them, which I always thought was funny. The roof also had "Eat borsht (sp?) and die!" printed in large letters in Russian for the twice daily Soviet satellite that passed over the military base.

There's an art to cussing and crude language, and part of that art is knowing when it is acceptable and when it is not. Coulter doesn't seem to grasp the second part of that art.

If anyone here was engaged in a debate on the war and wrote "I'd ask why would haven't enlisted but that would get me banned" or "I'd call you a chickenhawk, but that would be beneath me" I don't think we'd engage in such fine distinctions here. Or "I'd call Bush a brownshirt, but I saw what happened to the Dixie Chicks"*

I have no doubt that this was partially intended as a comment on the utter ridiculousness of the Isiaih Washington/rehab issue, but I'm also pretty sure that it was not accidentally tied to the Breck Girl.

*Note: I recognize chickenhawking as the cheap ad hominem that it is, and have no sympathy for the Dixie Chicks. I offer these simply as analogous indirect insults that we would have little tolerance for here.

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what you just wrote. I'm not sure it says what you think it says. :-)

No more blogging before noon on Saturdays.

My gawd that is gibberish.

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It was a foolish remark on the part of Ann. One that will no doubt come back to haunt Romney unless he acts quickly to distance himself from it. And please, it's not a "free speech" issue anymore than Edwards' BloggerGate episode, it's about perceptions. And in this case, the perception would be that Romney is perfectly comfortable associating with openly homophobic people. Not a good move.

Should it be no. Edwards was more significant because his side enacted the whole concept of hate speech.
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It will depend on if the media wants to make a big deal about it. By the way the liberals around here are reacting though it looks like the MSM will eat this up. So this puts Romney in a quandary. Does he distance himself from Ann now and perhaps offend some conservatives for being too PC or does he embrace the association.

I think that he doesn't address the issue unless it is raised (which it will be). Then when it is, simply say that everyone is free to their opinions even if he doesn't agree with the way they are expressed. Also that he runs an inclusive campaign which means everyone including Ann. I think this will be another example of him having the opportunity of proving if he is ready for the presidency.

A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. -John Adams

I wonder if Ann told Mitt ahead of time.

YouTube - Mitt Romney ...www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyv3TmkplIo -
by the way having a endorsement by Ann Coulter is about as helpful in the general election as getting one from Hugo Chavez or maybe Fidel Castro if he's still alive

for having watched that. There have been some good discussions here about Romney's changes in positions. That was not one of them.

A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. -John Adams

If Ann had written this in a column, or said it on Fox News, it wouldn't be such a big deal -- you could just chalk it up to Ann being a rabble rouser as usual and whatever stink arose would cling to her alone.

Here, she's speaking as an invited speaker to a gathering of on one end of the political spectrum. What's really bad is that when she says it the audience breaks into cheers, laughter, and applause. I didn't hear any boos.

Pretty much all the candidates and organizers are going to have to condemn these remarks, or the perception will linger that the CPAC event was made up of the type of people who think it's funny or clever to imply Edwards is a f****t. Despite the cheers and applause, I don't think that's the case (some of the reaction was probably mere shock of the "no she didn't!" variety). But they are going to have to back away from this after the fact if they want to minimize the perception of endorsement.

The hypersensitivity is over the top though. Its gotten to the point where if someone across the world sneezes you have to fed ex a hanky.
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Seeing as it has devolved into an argument about the correct use of language and the limits of speech. The nominally conservative posters have overwhelmingly refrained from using the disputed terms. The nominally liberal posters have embraced using the terms as clubs to bludgeon their opposition.

Take this for what its worth, I say it represents who is serious about having a polite tolerant society, and who just views the desire as means to ends.
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-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

That the arguments trying to defend or explain Coulter's comment are very weak and desperate sounding. She intended to call him a "loser"? Come on. She wasn't referring to Edwards at all, they were two seperate statements? Are you kidding? Do you folks think we are that brain-dead?

Ann Coulter just lost a ton of respect from this conservative.

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Theres no doubt. It was bad form to use something so charged in making a point. Not because some people find it offensive, but because the argument is now about the taboo instead of the point.
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This seems to be par for the course with her though.

A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. -John Adams

He was hilarious when he first hit the scene. His comedy had edge and bite and was way over the top. When he got the PC bug he disappeared. Its funny the same people that cry over lenny bruce have no place in their hearts for Dice Clay or Coulter.

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I thought Lenny Bruce was a pathetic, stupid, vulgar, left wing drug addict.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

For me he is another free speech issue.
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Clay and Bruce were never invited to serious political events or to introduce candidates.

If Coulter was doing standup, or blogging, or even in her MSM column, this would be about her. Given the forum and circumstances, this is now about Mitt, CPAC, and to a lesser extent conservatism to the extent CPAC is a fair representative of contemporary conservatism, until either people forget about it or those associated with this event denounce her statement.

I think using a term like that is beneath an educated, literate person. One of the reasons I liked Coulter was because her humor was brutal, sarcastic, and blunt - but the truth. This was just a poor personal attack with no substance behind it. Petty stuff. It's like when Harry Reid called Bush a "loser". It adds nothing of substance and should be something we conservatives are better than. I would expect to read something like that on DKos or HuffPo, not from an invited speaker to CPAC. It tarnishes the whole event, IMO.

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"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same." - Ronald Reagan

that's a very good point. Decency should always be the hallmark of conservatism.

I'll defend Ann. Ann knows what she is doing. People will try to make this an issue. Ann will take her moment in the spotlight here and use her platform to lambast hollywood political correctness. As I stated on another thread, her statement was satirical. She'll say it was a jab at political correctness not gays. Sending Isiah Washington to "rehab" for calling someone a f****t is twisted. As I stated earlier, it is political correctness on an Orwellian level. Ann's a self-promoter and a capitalist. She'll eat up the publicity and spit it out. It's not about gays or Edwards. It's about a small group of Hollywood liberals dictating values and sending people to "rehab" for saying a silly offensive word.

Her line of defense will be: "Oh, get a grip. It was just a joke. What's really absurd and dangerous is marching people into "rehab" for saying a juvenile word. That's what we should really fear. Last I checked, it is still a free country and we still have freedom of speech. Edwards is big boy. He can defend himself. It was political satire. Let the dandy boy defens himself"

She's an A++ lawyer. She'll spin it so it's not about Edwards or gays, but about political correctness run amok. And yes she'll bait "sissy boys" and "wussy liberals". Those who don't get it. Don't get Ann and should be put on troll alert status.

and, having just turned 37, I recall she hasn't married yet...and neither have I...:)

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She is smart, slick, and does everything to further the interest of Ann.

And I am also right, lie down with dogs and you get fleas. I'ts not about defending Edwards, he is a charlatan of the worse kind. To me its about what do we want to be.

A movement about Ideas, about decency, about filling the public discourse with uplifting moments. Or to grovel in the muck like the worst of the Kossacks, or Frankin, Rhodes, and Moore?

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Be careful. Conservatives hurt themselves when they act too arrogant, uptight, pretentious, self-righteous or "holier than thou". Wit, charisma, humor and even controversy are great ways to open the eyes and ears of people who don't associate with the movement. Many people are not into winded, self-righteous philosophical posteuring or arrogant people. Ann serves a purpose. We need her. Rhetoric serves a purpose. It's as old as the day is long - Think Samuel Adams, John Hancock, Paul Revere, Thomas Paine, Nathan Hale, Patrick Henry etc... Great rhetoriticians and firebrands all

I'm kinda shocked this is such a big deal her at RS...like what she said means anything overall, and has any real impact..

Jonlester, how bout a Coulter/Malkin ticket?! Hubba, hubba!

" in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."
Abe Lincoln

Comparing Coulter and what she does to Adams, Hancock, Henry etc is pretty damn ignorant. Now maybe the comparison to Pain is accurate, but then again, Pain was a hater, just like Coulter, who ended up drunk, dead, and penniless in a Paris gutter.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

So you are saying Paine was invalid because he was indelicate. Do I need to dredge up what his contemporaries had to say about his work ?

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I admit ignorance here. I have read Common Sense by Paine and I thought it a great read and I think the only people who were offended by it were king’s men. I do not doubt you. I was wondering though for my own enlightenment if you could reference some of his "indelicate" statements so I can have a more complete picture of him. Thanks in advance.

A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. -John Adams

I was replying to the prior post

Pain was a hater, just like Coulter, who ended up drunk, dead, and penniless in a Paris gutter.

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burden of proof is on kyle now. If I am correct I think Paine died in NY. Again I am no expert though. He was disliked by many though due to his religious assertions. As a hater though, it is interesting that he voted to spare the French king's life after the revolution.

A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. -John Adams

I don't have access at the moment to a lot of guotes, but he was
one of those tiresome scolds who was absolutely obsessed with hating religion. Well, like the modern day ones, it wasn't just any old religion, it was specifically Christianity. and Hate is a very mild term.

He was useful in the original movement for the American Revolution. But he got disenchanted by the conservative nature of the founding fathers and rushed off in the 1780's to Paris to help stir the pot of the French Revolution. The Terror was too much for him and he had to flee to England, where he was put on trial for sedition, then he had to return to Paris.

He was a harsh man, had few friends, and indeed ended up dead and penniless in a Paris gutter.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Just a quick google search turned up this:

Paine landed at Philadelphia on November 30, 1774. Starting over as a publicist, he first published his African Slavery in America, in the spring of 1775, criticizing slavery in America as being unjust and inhumaine.

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Between March 1791 and February 1792 he published numerous editions of his Rights of Man, in which he defended the French Revolution against the attacks by Edmund Burke, in his Reflections on the Revolution in France. But it was more then a defence of the French Revolution: An analysis of the roots of the discontent in Europe, which he laid in arbitrary government, poverty, illiteracy, unemployment and war. The book being banned in England because it opposed to monarchy, Paine failed to be arrested because he was already on his way to France, having been ellected in the National Convention. Though a true republicanist, he was imprisoned in 1793 under Robespierre, because he had voted against the execution of the dethroned king Louis XVI.

During his imprisonment the publication of his Age of Reason started. Age of Reason was written in praise of the achievements of the Age of Enlightment, and it was om this book that he was acussed of being an atheist.

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After his death in New York City on June 8, 1809 the newspapers read: He had lived long, did some good and much harm, which time judged to be an unworthy epitaph.

In the past I know I have read some of his own words about religion and Christianity and it was very very hateful. I do not think it was only because of "The Age or Reason" he was tagged as an atheist. He was very openly atheistic. But not only that, he was personally very brusque to his critics, which is why I said the comparison to Coulter might be appropriate.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

great men. I used to have John's insurance, and I sit here sipping on Sam's beer.

I think what she said is inflammatory and unnecessary, that makes me a lib troll? Read my blogs and see if you think I'm a troll.

We're better than that kind of rhetoric. We should be above name-calling and "botched dumb jokes" to make our point clear. Conservatism sells itself. Liberalism has always required name-calling and pejorative, inflammatory rhetoric to get its point across, because the tenets of liberalism are not "sellable" to the general public. Liberals always use ridicule, fear, and personal attacks to try to intimidate others into following them. Conservatism has always only needed great orators and people to express our vision for America. Ann's smart enough to know that too, she just finally let her foul mouth overrun her brain.

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What botched joke? There is no botched joke. People who can't figure it out may think there is a botched joke. There is no botched joke. She meant it. The people who saw it live, thought it was funny. And every liberal idiot in America is going to over-react and do everything Ann hoped. The only thing that is botched in the Republican response. Lets watch Howard Dean work himself into a froth over the word "f****t". Oh the horror! The horror! Somebody got their feelings hurt. Apparently, to some 'pretending to be conservative trolls' saying the word f****t is worse than sending someone to PC reeducation bootcamp for saying an insenstive word. Not me. Not true for any real conservative. Call me a Papist, Green Horn Portagee son of a Polack whore. I still won't send you to "rehab". Grow a pair of testicles. I knew Ann could play liberals like a fiddle, but I underestimated her abililty to play "Republicans" like fools. Again, for the 376th time. Ann wins. Her detractors lose.

There is no botched joke. She meant it.
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so she meant to call Edwards a f****t? Unfortunately for Ann not everyone follows her every word/column. Most ppl are not going to "get the joke" about rehab and just hear her imply that Edwards is a "f****t".

>>Unfortunately for Ann not everyone follows her every word/column.<<

"Unfortunately" for the Liberal, PC, Democrats who take offense and are bound to respond to the f----t remarks, she will be given the opportunity for rebuttal.

Remember Hillary's response to Coulter's remarks about the Jersey Girls? A big blunder on Hillary's part.

I don't envision an apology from Coulter. Rather she will tear someone a new one and, in the process, make everyone more enlightened about (as another poster puts it) PC re-education camps.

she will just do more harm to the conservative movement by convincing casual observers that we are a bunch of mean, hate-filled enraged loons, When in fact that is more accurate of the left.

You Coulter worshipers need to wake up.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

a "Coulter worshipper"? You hurt my wittle feewings.

FYI, I woke up a long time ago.

Her point has everything to do with Political Correctness in today's society.

To read your posts, I could label you a "Frist worshipper", but I won't.

Although I think Frist was ineffectual. You can be as snide as you want also. But I want you to see just how bad you look by chalking this all up to political correctness.

This is all about who WE are. And who WE want to be. Do we want to be just like the worst of the rabid Kossacks? Or do we want to be something better?

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

and I would hardly put her in the Kossack category. While she sometimes resorts to (ok, frequently resorts to) indelicate themes and language to describe the foibles of our Dem friends, she does NOT, to my knowledge, advocate assassination of her political enemies: as the Kossacks do with President Bush, VP Cheney, and just about any conservative who stands in the way of their mission: and she does not use complete profanity: as does nearly every poster at DKos, DU, Moveover.org and all the rest.

While she is caustic, and does herself harm sometimes because of it; harming her cause as well; I would hardly put her into their category.

"We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee,"

re Bill Keller: "would have no problem with him being sent to the gas chamber," and "I prefer a firing squad, but I'm open to a debate on the method of execution." She also suggested that NYT staff should be "executed."

Re Chafee: "They shot the wrong Lincoln."

Re Murtha: "the reason soldiers invented fragging."

This is not mere highlighting of foibles.

Chirp. Chirp. Chirp.

you jump with glee over this

AND

defend gores carbon credits at the same time

http://www.redstate.com/stories/liberals/friday_afternoon_poll_electric_...

Well done is better than well said. —Benjamin Franklin

...We've been all over this, and you know it, man. Check RedHot for more, and check that cricket problem - either you have them swimming in your head, or you have one heckuvan infestation in your house, to have them be so loud that they drown out our comments on Coulter ;-)

It's about a small group of Hollywood liberals dictating values and sending people to "rehab" for saying a silly offensive word.

Since it's a small group of Hollywood liberals, maybe you can tell us who is in that group?

Once again, there is no rehab for calling someone a "f****t." If someone goes to rehab, it's for something else.

She can call Edwards whatever she wants. That freedom doesn't confer class upon her choice of words, nor does it reflect well on the people she endorses for public office.

Washington checked into the Los Angelas Center for Psychological Evaluation. It's a fact. Why do you refuse to acknoledge this. He had his head checked for saying a poltically incorrect word. Its 1984.

Dr. Dean is all over it.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/03/dean_blasts_ann.php

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I find just about any use of that word in a pejorative sense offensive, not that Ann Coulter cares what I think.

that you are a Democrat!

Some time ago, I criticized a diary calling on all decent Republicans to denounce Ann Coulter for some insensitive remarks about the Jersey Girls' exploitation of their widow status. I said it was taking her too seriously, missing the proper perspective.

My point then was that she had to be viewed in the perspective of Howard Stern - someone who is entertaining because they have a talent for outrageous or crude humor. I agreed with National Review's decision to ditch her, but I also enjoy reading her column. The distinction is that I read her for entertainment, not serious discussion, and National Review's mission is different from National Lampoon's.

Here too, I think she has to be taken like Howard Stern. I'm not upset about what she said, but I think a conference that wants to be taken seriously without silly distractions like this should have known better than to make her one of the speakers. You can't invite Howard Stern to speak and then be surprised if he makes a crude joke. You know, everything has its time and place.

Now for something less serious in good taste, a hilarious video from the 2004 election comparing how the Breck Girl and Dubya prepare their hair for a TV appearance, with the Blues Brothers' rendition of Rawhide providing the soundtrack.

If Mitt is our candidate, with his coiffure, we will be subjected to the same sort of ridicule. And that clip, by the way, is priceless!

who has been being published in books and op-eds for years, and who has is characteristically sarcastic and facetious when commenting on someone's ethics or politics, think she would suddenly resort to a derogatory comment about someone's sexual orientation?

I defy anyone to find me another example of her ever having done that.

She was referring to the sarcastic comments she'd made just prior concerning Isaiah Washington's untoward remarks and his announcement thereafter that he was going into rehab, and said in effect (in her typically facetious and sarcastic style) after being asked to comment on Edwards, that she wasn't going to because these days you have to go to re-hab just for saying "f****t" (implying, for example, that maybe they'd SHOOT her for the things she'd say about Edwards if she started talking). As in, "You have to go to re-hab for saying the word 'f****t' these days. Just think what they'd do to me if I spoke my mind on Edwards." It was classic Coulter, and what she was saying was clear in her voice inflection.

While she is well known for being hyper-critical of Edwards as one of the world's great ambulance chasers (and therefore would say very unflattering things if she were to take the time and was implying she would in her comment), she is decidedly NOT known for calling people names relating to their ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc.

First off, why would she think Edwards was homosexual? There's nothing in his history to even hint at that.

And secondly, if he was, Coulter woul;d avoid that subject like the plague, chosing instead to concetrate on his politics.

Ever heard her make a derogatory comment about Barney Franks' sexual orientation? Now THAT would be ripe ground to plow if that was her style. It is not, and anyone who knows her work would realise that to do so would be completely out of character for her. She was most definitely NOT calling Edwards a f****t.

just a quick google seach got this on the fist try.

"In a column in the August 11 edition of the Washington Blade, Jeff Gannon, the former "Washington Bureau Chief" for Talon News, wrote that right-wing pundit Ann Coulter's description of former Vice President Al Gore as a "total fag" made Media Matters for America President and CEO David Brock's "head explode." Gannon added that "[w]ithin hours" of Coulter's remarks, which aired on the July 27 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews, "

Wanna keep defending this vile skinny harriden?

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

The republicans pass a bill and it makes his head explode.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

that was just the first of many things that turned up on a google search of ANN COULTER, Gays.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

But I still heard what I heard, and there was no way she was calling Edwards a f****t. Her voice inflection and references to Washington were clear.

Kyle...take a break from this issue...you're waaaaaay to pissed.

" in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."
Abe Lincoln

and no one can call her anything back?

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

kind of makes a joke of the stand you've taken....I see that you really feel something here, but come on...

" in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."
Abe Lincoln

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

" in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."
Abe Lincoln

DKos and Media Matters are virtually the same people! They double date!

Found this Coulter quote from her Q&A yesterday from Media Matters of all places. Does she sound like someone who uses "f****t" the same way most people do? Sorry about not knowing how to make the quotes.

Quote: And of course, if you're working for a Republican candidate, you'll meet some nice heterosexual guys. By the way, before I let that slide, I do want to point out one thing that has been driving me crazy with the media, how they keep describing Mitt Romney's position as being "pro-gays, and that's going to upset right-wingers." Well, you know, screw you, I'm not anti-gay. We're against gay marriage. I don't want gays to be discriminated against. I mean, I think we have, in addition to blacks, I don't know why all gays aren't Republicans. I think we have the pro-gay position, which is anti-crime and for tax cuts. Gays make a lot of money, and they're victims of crime. I mean, the way -- no, they are. They should be with us. But the media portrays us. If they could get away with it, they would start saying, you know, "Mitt Romney, he's pro-civil rights, and that's going to upset conservatives." :Unquote

You say she doesn't use "f****t" the same way most people do.

Keep Googling and you'll see that she uses it more frequently and without any discernable meaning. Al's a "total fag" because he gets heated up over climate change. Hillary is a lesbian because she's married to Bill AND she's declared that Bill Clinton, because of his sexual indiscretions with women, "is obviously homosexual".
Ann's got gaydar that just won't quit.

[He's already been banned, but the urban dictionary cut-and-paste, and the included distasteful language, needed to go. It is now gone. -Jeff]

And you are proving my point that you don't know for sure which one she was using.

Well done is better than well said. —Benjamin Franklin

Ann Coulter... but do you really think she's skinny?

The Dirty Tricks have started early this time around since the rest of the race has also started so early. Which is why Rove is going to be proven correct that the people are going to get tired of it by the time it matters.

Coulter said what she said in a speech endorsing Romney at CPAC to tarnish Romney and put him in the spotlight, as the first candidate who needs to disavow what she said. The real target of Ann's "f-bomb" was Mitt Romney, and everyone should realize that.

If I was in charge of the Romney campaign, I'd issue an immediate press release disavowing themselves of anything Ann said in that speech and pointing out that apparently nobody, including herself, and get her to stop hurting Republicans.

"Violently anti-communist, and much more militaristic than the norm."

According to what I've garnered she does think he's the best of the litter and this is just Ann C being Ann C.

Well done is better than well said. —Benjamin Franklin

will be tough to finesse.

Ann may well be a sly dirty trickster. If Mitt rebukes her for disrespect to homosexuals, he'll only bring attention to his perceived flip on gay issues.

OwfL

No it won't. Ann was way over the top, disrespected Edwards for some personal trait and not his political views which is not what any politician who seeks to be seen as a statesman can or should every tolerate in his supporters.

Mitt can rebuke Ann very publicly and very openly over a personal affront to Edwards while at the same time pointing out where he and Edwards disagree on matters of policy, principle and ideology.

I doubt Mitt wants to be seen to be down in the mud with the Hogs, and comments about your opponents which transcend policy issues and delve into personal characteristics in the way Ann did is just wrong and in that very mud.

I hope Mitt very publicly rebukes Ann, and does it soon.

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Dennis Miller for President...no more wimps!

Good one, but who cares? Is he running as the "gay" candidate? If he is, someone had better let his wife and children know.

How about instead of some personal claptrap discussion, we talk about his positions on giving gay people special rights. That would interest me, and I think most voters also.

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Dennis Miller for President...no more wimps!

when they are rights you already enjoy? What rights would the Democrats grant homosexuals that you do not have? Can you not get married? Do you have the option of putting your spouse on your insurance? If you die, will your spouse atuomatically inherit your property? Can you adopt a child? If you were to adopt, how many tests would you have to complete to certify that you are not a pedophile? Who would even think to posit the idea that you were adopting in order to indoctrinate the child with your sexual mores?

If by "special rights" you mean hate crime legislation, should we not increase the contempt in which we hold those who attack others purely out of hatred? Also, how is this a special right? Is it not more accurately a special punishment? Don't we hold out special punishment for those who victimize children? Kill police officers? Attack public figures? Would you recommend rescinding all those protections as well?

So, you're right. I, as a voter, am extremely interested in these so-called special rights; more importantly, I would like to know why many here feel as though the rights they currently enjoy should be enshrined as special and thus withheld from a segment of the population.

"at some point, the truth must be known..."

Gays have the same rights as others. They can get married, raise a family, adopt, and so on. All they have to do is find someone of the opposite sex to marry.

Can't do that and maintain the lifestyle you like?

Not. My. Problem.

As far as hate crimes laws go, they are just plain wrong. Racism or whateverism should be used to discern motive, which helps distinguish intent. But the intent is separate from the motive. If someone is guilty of harassment, intimidation, or assault in addition to battery or vandalism, then they are. But a crime is neither better nor worse because it was conceived in stupidity.

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See the Academy.

Coulter did a serious disservice to Romney. The word "f****t" is an ugly word, hardly one you would expect from someone backing a socially conservative candidate.

Just about every parent on the planet strives to teach their children that ugly words and name-calling are wrong. A candidate who is running on a platform of family values should distance himself from adults who resort to behavior like that. It's crude and reflects a complete lack of class on the part of the speaker.

I was shocked at how many people in the audience clapped at her comment. It says a lot about the audience at CPAC. Is that what passes for "conservative" these days? I expect lots of red meat commentary from speakers, but not the use of language like "f****t."

She said that Giuliani is "very, very liberal". Byt what does that make Romney? Just very liberal with one "very"? or plain liberal? Isn't the point to get rid of liberals?

You forgot the part where anyone thinks Mitt Romney is a liberal. As far as I can tell, the knock on Romney is being soft on abortion so he could get elected.

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See the Academy.

Asterick, redact or dash: don't care which, but from now on no more profanities. Come Monday people at work will need to be able to read this blog.

I am carefully not noting names, up to this point. Special circumstances.

Moe

PS: Although I must admit that mentioning that Ms. Coulter's vile little outburst resulted in 190+ comments overnight generated a certain quiet respect by the other people at the blogger lunch/informal roundtable with (I think) CRC. Some good thoughts, there: must write them up later.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

I hate to be a harbinger of negative news, but a comma with coordinating conjunction indicates a compound sentence, not a change in reference. When Ann said (paraphrased) "I was going to say a few things about John Edwards, but..." the implication is that she would use the homophobic epithet and thus end up in rehab...

To think that she moved from commenting on Edwards to commenting on a PC culture (rather than attacking both) is to quite frankly be a poor reader. Yes, she may have directed comments at the Isiah Washington story previously, but that does not change the construction of her comment. In fact, it was the equivalent of saying "I can only call him an insensitive epithet, so I will just move on."

The whole thing would be silly, but the fact is that our media culture loves to crucify the bawdy. Amanda Marcotte may have said more vile things, but if the GOP began to seem as though they were ranking vileness before separating themselves, well, it just would not play well. Notice that Romney disavowed Ann's words fairly quickly.

As to the post concerning Romney's church and its label as a cult, well, the Southern Baptist Convention rather plainly labels the LDS church as a cult, so those views are not so Wiccan or out of the mainstream. Fact is, Romney's candidacy is going to force people to choose just where the line between secular rationale and religious fervor lies. Conservative Baptists, Nazarenes, etc. will have a problem with a disciple of Joseph Smith running the country. At some point, he will be forced to move far away from the LDS in order to gain the love of Dobson, Falwell, Robertson, et. al. Someone in South Carolina or Georgia will ask questions about Moroni, the gold tablets, godhood, the trinity, etc. and then we'll see just how much of a flip-flopper Romney is. If he sells out his religion, he may win a seat in the Oval Office, but he'll risk his election to the Heavenly hosts.

"at some point, the truth must be known..."

Learn how to use it, thanks.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

I really appreciate your helpful intentions. And the courtesy. You're a class act...

"at some point, the truth must be known..."

 
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