I'm glad that we finally cleared up your true loyalties, *Mister* Paul.
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And now that we have:
6,000 Sunnis join pact with US in Iraq
By LAUREN FRAYERHAWIJA, Iraq - Nearly 6,000 Sunni Arab residents joined a security pact with American forces Wednesday in what U.S. officers described as a critical step in plugging the remaining escape routes for extremists flushed from former strongholds.
The new alliance — called the single largest single volunteer mobilization since the war began — covers the "last gateway" for groups such as al-Qaida in Iraq seeking new havens in northern Iraq, U.S. military officials said.
Not in your name, Mister Paul.
Ron Paul hung himself on the North American Conspiracy. I didn't know YouTube was in the business of providing the rope.
Actually I thought he answered that well. The only conspiracy about the "North American Union" is that its not getting much time in the press. But these things are being done in the open. It's not really being hidden.
I'm no libertarian but I thought Paul was strong in the debate until his comments about "getting out of their country" and the vietman comment. I too thought the war was a mistake, but I don't like it when we are called imperialist or worse. I think if we had to do it over, Bush would not have sent the troops in. But we have to finish the job now.
Everything is Ron Paul's button.
He isn't just an appeaser. He is more on Al Qaeda's side than he is on our side. In a perfect world where this kind of power wouldn't be abused I'd like to see him just kicked out of the country for defending our enemies like that. Maybe I'm not in a clear-thinking state, but his comments justifying Al Qaeda's attacks are despicable and outrageous.
He never "justified" Al Qaeda's attacks on the United States. He said that there were American policies that created a situation that put people in a position in which they wanted to kill Americans. There's a world of difference.
Put another way, would you want your daughter walking out of your house barely dressed to go to a frat party? No. A big part of that is because you know it makes her appear to be easy, even if she's not, and thus increases the likelihood of something happening to her. Would it mean that any guy at the party was justified in raping her? Of course not. Could she have reduced the likelihood of such an attack by dressing more conservatively? Yes.
I have, on occasion, pointed out the FACT that someone was an idiot.
SI, come on. Give us a freaking break. First of all, RP absolutely "justified" aQ's attacks on us. That's the entire meme of "bad foreign policy choices..."
Secondly, that's the worst analogy I've ever seen. Absolutely the worst. I know you can do better. Heck, I would note here that I don't find you to be an idiot at all, your commentary is usually well thought out and presented. I'm going with the thought that your dumb nephew stole your login info and posted this. Change your password so Tbone and I don't have to deal with him.
Thanks.
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"Absolute Worst Analogy of the Year Award" with "Idiot" oak leaf clusters?
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
and our determination to continue existing.
(You can drop out if you want to, noblesse oblige 'ya know?)
At no point has Ron Paul justified any attacks. He voted for the use of force in Afghanistan and going after the evil B******s who attacked us and the government who was aiding and abetting them.
Some people don't like the idea that nothing happens in a vacuum, and that's what he's trying to point out. that doesn't make him a supporter of Al Qaeda.
Look, disagree with the man, think his ideas are kooky, and some of his supporters are annoying and irritating, but calling him an al queda supporter is utterly and completely wrong.
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Since then, of course, he's changed his tune somewhat on Afghanistan, of course.
Personally, I've ceased to care. He's now on record talking about the killing fields as an affirmative good, which means that he apologizes for mass murderers either way. I'm really not interested in people who are willing to defend him.
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Those of us with a little mileage recall exactly what that "cleaning up" entailed--mass murder, people floating helplessly in the China Sea, and a Cambodian genocide that robbed a nation of one-eight of its people.
Paul has made the official transition from anti-war contrarian to nutcase. Not that he ever was anything else, but any and all doubt has been erased now.
from the Republican Party, the Republican caucus and stripped of all of his committee assignments.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
Luckily for me I joined RedState one year and 50 weeks ago, so I should be officially allowed to discuss Ron Paul in a manner other than fallaciously associating him with the left. Of course one year and 50 weeks ago I ironically joined after an article praising Ron Paul for being a very prinicipled congressman (The war was going on then too, as I recall.)
One year and 50 weeks ago there Republicans weren't trying their hardest to exile the last vestige of Goldwaterism from the party. Instead of shrinking Government and drowning it in a bathtub, Redstate and the rest of the Republican establishment seem more than willing to shrink the Party and drown it in a bathtub. After watching that debate and the flock of liberals up there pretending to be conservative how can the person RedState jumps on the most be Ron Paul?
That is what is crazy!
"Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have." -Barry Goldwater
You speak of a figurative drowning; how many babies LITERALLY drowned in the exodus of "boat people" from the murderous tyrants of North Vietnam?
You know, that bloody, vicious conquest that took place after we left Vietnam, that event that Ron Paul referred to as "the cleaning up of the mess?"
Why does he lie for Communist murder? Why do you call that A Goldwater Republican thing to do, when his Presidential nomination speech supported victory in Vietnam?
I think Ron Paul was pointing out that for such a terrible enemy that Vietnam was 35 years ago, we sure do a lot of trading with them now.
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"The bass, the rock, the mic, the treble, I like my coffee black, just like my Metal." - MSI
But when our son graduated BCT at Fort Jackson this summer, it seemed a bit odd among all the Made in China hats, shirts, etc at the PX to find a US Army souvenir hat that was Made in Viet Nam. I wanted to puke.
Quoting boatpeople.org:
According to the report of United Nations High Commissioner For Refugees, 1/3 of boat people died at sea by killing, storms, illness,and food shortage. Out of a total 250,000 mixture ages of men, women, and children.
However, there were 160 people died on Kho Kra island, 1,250 rescued within a year. Currently, there are over 1.6 million boat people spread all across the world : USA, Australia, Canada, France, England, Germany, Japan, Hong Kong, South Korea, Philippines.
These are Ron Paul's "mess" that had to be "cleaned up" after our presence in Vietnam. Just people I guess, but they don't look like us, so he doesn't care does he?
"By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?"
(NIV, if anyone cares.)
Ron Paul formally joined the Moonbat Left last night, with his endorsement of the thoroughly vile notion that the falls of South Vietnam and Cambodia (and the ancillary deaths, displacements, and atrocities that followed) were somehow good things. If you don't like that, hey, he's your man-god, not ours.
Moe
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
I think they would live to share with Paul what that cleanup entailed.
I did not think my dislike for Paul would grow deeper but it has.
He needs to be defeated in the primary this spring in his home district. He does not need to be included in any debate as a Republican.
I think "the mess after Vietnam" he was referring to was the mess here in the United States. Vietnam ripped this country apart. We had noble intentions and were just but at the end of the day it monopolized all our blood and sweat fighting for a little country in south east Asia.
One disturbing parallel I see between then and today is that during the 60s and 70s the right focused all its energy on Vietnam while the real threat of socialism here at home creeped in and took over. Today we are spending all our time focusing on Anbar province or wherever while completely ignoring the home front and the threat of massive immigration. If in 20 years Iraq is a stable democracy but Europe is muslim-majority and no one can question that Koran anywhere in the west without receiving a death threat we will have lost.
You also happen to have seen/read the sentence immediately preceding it. Check the first sentence of Moe's story and try again.
Or don't. That's probably wiser.
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The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Further, this corresponds exactly with what Paul has said about Iraq.
Look, you guys can make good faith arguments that Vietnam and Iraq were foreign policy mistakes. You cannot make a good faith argument that the aftermath of Vietnam was in any sense a good or even morally neutral thing, no more than you claim that the inevitable genocide that would follow a similar withdrawal from Iraq would be anything less than a human disaster.
Ron Paul is not Barry Goldwater. Ron Paul is George McGovern.
When he and Dennis Kucinich team up in the near future, I bet some of you guys suddenly find problems with Paul. Just sayin'.
But staying in a region simply to prevent one strikes me as a bad policy. Otherwise taken to the logical extreme, we should be in Burma (I'll never call it by that 'new' dumb name), we should be in Dafur, and in a dozen other places where people are being slaughtered by the thousands and hundreds of thousands respectively.
Fundementally the question comes down to, are we the world police? Is it our purpose to send American troops into other countries in order to make their lives better, weather people in those countries like it or not. In particular, Interventionism actually pushes countries to acquire Nuclear capability in order to deter the US from attacking or invading. (notice our inaction with North Korea) Atrocities happen all the time, but is it the United States purpose to step in and prevent those atrocities? and at what point does the risk become too high? China? Burma? North Korea, Russia? (and anyone who doesn't think Russia *isn't* a threat to the US isn't paying attention)
I'm not saying Massacres are a good thing, but I think it's a terribly hypocritical thing to chastise someone for minimizing a massacre 40 years ago whilst making no mention of what should be done about the massacres that are going on today, *particularly* when the fear of massacres and mass murders in Iraq is one of the justifications for keeping troops over there.
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"The bass, the rock, the mic, the treble, I like my coffee black, just like my Metal." - MSI
To say that avoiding a "human disaster" in an area that provides half the world's oil, means that we must be equally involved in every Lower Slobovia that has a human rights problem is as ignorant as Paul's argument that we have no vital interest anywhere outside our borders.
That Paul's argument of causality from anticedent events, with an arbitrary starting point, is a rather shallow and biased reading of history.
I am relatively new to this site, been reading for some months, just signed up. I for one am greatly dissappointed by the offering of candidates put forth by the Republican Party. While I would agree that Ron Paul has some views that I disagree with, I do think that some of his views are worth discussing and implimenting. There is not a candidate out there that I would consider a true conservative, and I think that an alleged conservative site like this would be working to promote conservatism.
Too often I read and hear people supporting a person (Rudy McRomney) because "it's better than the alternative". As conservatives we should be DEMANDING representative leadership not accepting/promoting the lesser of two evils. Ron Paul's views on foreign policy may not be the most attractive, but his views on privacy, sovereignty, immigration, taxes, homeschooling, etc. seem to me to be much more in line with conservative principles than McCain's amnisty for instance, or Rudy's positions on the 2nd ammendment and abortion, or Romney's homosexual agenda and socialized health care positions.
Support Paul / don't support Paul, but at least take a look at ALL the positions of ALL the candidates and give credit where credit is due and critcism where appropriate.
...that we aggressively remove Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul! supporters unless they've been here for six months, or have been cleared for it.
Thanks.
Bye.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Oh well now that he has embraced the VC as well Al Quaeda seems doubling is about right.
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You have to have been here six months to start talking about him out of the blue, or else if you're a new user, you have to have spent a month or two talking about non-RP things.
You will find that certain positions are beyond the pale to certain people. that's not a value judgment, it's a fact.
There are certain positions that people can hold that I cannot and will not ever support that candidate, There are certain positions that are so anathema to people that no matter what other positives that candidate may have, to those people, that candidate cannot and will not be considered.
Just the way the world works.
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"The bass, the rock, the mic, the treble, I like my coffee black, just like my Metal." - MSI
They can seem just fine and normal, until you hit one of their triggers and they start to fulminate or chow down on a bug.
Ron Paul's problem is everyone knows just what his buttons are.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777