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The Republican Party, besides Rudy Giuliani, Bush likes to dress up. He likes to be a cowboy, or Iceman from "Top Gun." And they have something very gay, excuse me, going on with Ronald Reagan. I mean, they love Ronald Reagan in a way that's just gay. I'm sorry. But, I think they want to put him on a stamp so that they can lick his backside.
Ann Coulter? Nope. Bill Maher. You can tell he knows he shouldn't be saying it, too. Note the "excuse me" after the first use of the word gay, and the "I'm sorry" after the second use. So this begs the question: having now spent days on blasting Ann Coulter to pundit purgatory and back, will the Left now deal with Bill Maher similarly?
I won't hold my breath. Let the excuses commence.
...but that's been blogged to death, and this is exactly what the Left just ripped Ann Coulter apart for, so I thought this too would be interesting.
Regards,
Nate Nelson
Reality Mugged Me
(it's a theme for me tonight), but I don't think it's at all fair to say that he "called for the VP's death."
What he said was that more people would be alive today if Dick Cheney wasn't Vice President -- in the context of talking about the assassination attempt in Afghanistan.
It's certainly an odious statement -- not to mention completely unsupportable factually. But I think it still falls somewhat short of calling for Mr. Cheney's death...in the way that, say, Khomeini called for Salman Rushdie's death.
Maher replied: "But I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn't be dying needlessly tomorrow . . . I'm just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact."
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The big difference is Ann Coulter is somebody. Bill Maher is a nobody.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
If you're really wondering where the anti-Coulter RedStaters are, I suggest you do a bit more research. The overall tone of RedState after she dropped the f-bomb was decidedly anti-Coulter.
And I disagree that Bill Maher is a nobody. He's on at least as many cable news shows as Coulter, and he's in the same league - "entertainer" - as Coulter is.
Regards,
Nate Nelson
Reality Mugged Me
Who cares if the opposition looks crass and little?
A Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever. -John Adams
This is why Ann Coulter was not attacked in 2006 after saying that Bill Clinton had a "latent homosexual" in him.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
...I'm not her biggest fan (depending, of course, on the context...I think she's done some fantastic columns and books).
But I do think it's important to remember with this CPAC kerfuffle that she was trying to make a joke about the whole Grey's Anatomy drama involving one actor referring to a gay colleague as "faggot." This particular actor apparently entered rehab or some such thing related to his repeated use of the slur.
It's not as if she just came right out with the word without any rhyme, reason, or context. For one thing, it's rather obvious that John Edwards isn't gay.
Granted, it was a bad joke -- as many of her jokes are. It was tasteless, embarrassing to the ACU and conservatives and the Republican presidential candidates, and she does deserve scorn for the comment.
But people can scorn her while remembering the context -- which, when considered, doesn't really make it look as bad as it would've been if she'd just off and called somebody a faggot.
Heck, one of her best friends is Matt Drudge and many people believe that Drudge is gay.
this was only a "scandal" in the MSM and on lefty blogs. We can apologize to them and trash each other but we can never placate them. They NEVER congratulate Republicans unless they attack other Republicans. Like with Bush and all this ethanol talk, no lefty gives him any "credit" for that.
The lefties are now trying to "boycott" fox news. Yeah, I know, they don't watch already. But they think they struck a blow with this Nevada debate thing. In a way they did, they showed that the far left fringe IS in control of the Democrat party. Now they want all Dems to cease appearing on Fox news.
My point is they only see our circular firing squad on Coulter as weakness and that makes them want to find another enemy. We can throw Coulter out (actually we can't) and then they will go after another on of us.
And I proudly support Ann Coulter, she is an excellent writer, is very intelligent, and pretty hot too. :)
Molon Labe!
Read the whole quote of what Ailes said. By that, I mean read it for yourself. Don't just read what your friends at DKos said that Ailes said.
Dom-de-dom-do, if you keep making comments like this, you'll earn a reputation on Redstate as a talking points parrot and outright fool. Your choice.
"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)
Even if Ailes' comments did not prove that he's far right fringe, you don't have a problem supporting extreme far-righty Ann Coulter, of whom Giuliani said, "“The comments were completely inappropriate and there should be no place for such name-calling in political debate.”"
Please do. And while you're at it, explain what in the world Ann Coulter has to do with the topic of this thread, or get back to the topic at hand.
Finally I make a mistake. :-)
I mixed up smagar with a far-right member of this forum, who expressed support for Coulter.
We've had folks support her, and we've had folks condemn her. On balance, I believe that we've had far more condemnations, but that's not the issue. There are plenty of diaries and posts on the Coulter situation, and you can comment on it in those threads - this thread is not about Coulter.
Look, we have many sides presented here. We have the entire spectrum of the Republican party, we have libertarians, and we have liberals. You're still here, aren't you? ;-)
You may now officially call me a "talking points parrot", since I, like CNN, not necessarily a lefty blog, believe the joke was deliberately made to confuse Obama with Osama.
about US troops shows that those who hate the US military ARE in control at CNN.
You comfy with that comparison? Jordan's comment was in total seriousness.
prematurely, only to be discredited by the fact that Hussein indeed existed, and was sent to jail for talking to reporters.
Their FNC attitude is against free markets, for one thing, and they seem also to betray their contempt for the average American's intelligence by suggesting that viewers can't fulfill the "you decide" part of the Fox slogan on their own.
by the side that believes Iraqis and Afghans don't deserve freedom, ignores the gross misogyny of Islam, claims to "own" the black vote and would take away the secret ballot.
Because it's "the word" and automatically worse. Clearly, Bill Maher's context here feels more offensive, but he didn't use the hot word. Replace Ann's saying with "but I hear you can't call someone light in their loafers these days" and her speech becomes completely innocuous.
But it will blow over for her, because she didn't use it to demean a gay person. I agree with others on this site that it's exactly like Robert Byrd using the phrase white n_____. The word makes you jump up, but you realize the target is not associated with the word, so it lessens it a little.
In nature? There are many that want Ann's scalp. They don't care how they get it. What was sad, is that some conservatives were willing to help give it to them. They just reinforce the idea that the only legitimate target is conservatives.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
had she avoided that hot-button derogotory term (which i would never want to hear used in my home).
on the flip side, had bill maher called republicans a bunch of f*****s, i actually have no doubt that he would have been attacked in the MSM. the tone does strike me as much more hateful and offensive.
Laura bush the equivalent of Hitlers Dog a while back. I wasn't even aware of it till I started looking.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
...at Dempac and will not be introduced by a Democratic candidate, who Maher will then ENDORSE.
On a show called POLITICALLY INCORRECT he can say whatever he likes.
Frankley, it's his job.
Nodding along with his glossolalia ?
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
If Ann Coulter wants to be officially labled comedian and treated as such.. I got no problem with that. If she's the right's version of Lenny Bruce, great, you guys could use it.
The problem is that she said what she said WHERE SHE SAID IT.
Had she said it on her show, say, "Ann Coulter, Unhinged" there would have been a hubub, but it would have been "just Ann doing what Ann does."
Ann still did what Ann does at GOPac... just at your expense.
Saying things that would put most people in the psychward for observation ?
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Snark aside, your defensive reaction says more than anything I could.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
...you're talking about.
I applied the same standard to Maher as the Directors here applies to Coulter and then YOU came and sought me out.
As before, I'm sorry you still feel badly.
What you tried to do was imply that Maher was out of the democrat mainstream and not representative of democrat viewpoints. Whats more the fact that Dempac and its significance were not brought into the post. Dempac and Cpac are not comparable.
The counter is every week you can see prominent democrats on his show, tacitly agreeing with him. In no way does the man receive the Opprobrium he warrants.
What you were doing is pulling a fast one.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
...gets that.
He will not be asked to speak at serious Democratic events, where Presidential candidates are appearing and will not endorse one of those canddiates.
He's a comedian.
So is Ann.
She should be, and is by the Directors, treated as such.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
My original comment:
Bill Maher will not be allowed to speak at Dempac and will not be introduced by a Democratic candidate, who Maher will then ENDORSE.
On a show called POLITICALLY INCORRECT he can say whatever he likes.
Frankly, it's his job.
My last comment:
I was implying that he's a comedian and everybody gets that.
He will not be asked to speak at serious Democratic events, where Presidential candidates are appearing and will not endorse one of those canddiates.
He's a comedian.
So is Ann.
She should be, and is by the Directors, treated as such.
WHERE IS THE STORY CHANGE THERE?
Are you dim or just acting that way for effect?
That the offense of language is just fine as long as its comedy ?
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
...it's just not a problem for a political party and all can choose to embrace or shun any comedian we like.
Look, you keep pretending this is somehow a free speech issue, when no one has ever suggested Ann Coulter or Bill Maher be jailed or silenced, just that... with Ann... she hurt the Republican party by saying what she said where she said it.
The same words out of Ann's mouth in her column, would have sparked the same bruhaha, would have been equally offensive and childish and bigoted, it just wouldn't have touched Mitt Romney or all those who attended GOPAC.
That's all I've ever argued.
And you should inform the people laughing that they have no business doing so as they should be properly offended.
No of course not, no one said Ann should be shunned, pilloried or boycotted in an organized fashion. Oops they did.
No you argued that the use of offensive terms was completely unacceptable. And pressure should be applied to those that felt other wise.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
...to say almost whatever she likes, no matter how bigoted, stupid, offensive and unacceptible it is.
When she says it at GOPAC, standing beside Mitt Romney, while endorsing his candidacy, it asks questions about everyone associated.
If she says it on her own television show it asks questions about herself, the network that chooses to broadcast the show, and her audience.
Hoever this is not a website about a network, its a website for and about a political party and, more specifically a point of view, and the right move was absolutely the one the directors took to say that what she said and where she said it were unacceptible.
As for the shunning and boycotting, well nothing in the first amendment says that you should be embraced or allowed to profit from your bigoted, stupid and offensive remarks, so THAT part of it simply the free market of ideas.
So when people keep appearing on Bill Maher's show despite the fact he is known to say these things it should reflect on them. Is that what you are trying to say ?
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
...they will be held to EXACTLY the same standard.
Like I said, Bill Maher will not be asked to any major Democratic event where he'll be on the dais with the next President of the United Stares.
In 2004
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Particularly enjoyed him comparing the first lady to hitler's dog.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
...convention and the Hitler's dog comment was on his show, not at any gathering of Democratic candidates. Keep trying.
And addressed the crowd.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
I found several.
Heres one where he is in the company of Michael Moore
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/2/2004/929
Number 3 on my search the first 2 were no longer available.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
...dropped to his knees in front of Nader.
Now do you really believe that NADER was at the Democratic convention?
It says nothing of Maher SPEAKING at the Democratic Convention.
Keep trying Ann
(Btw, Mitt Romney is on line 4. He'd like his momentum back.)
It reminds me of the dear dear women I have known. Bringing back remembrances happier days.
Read it again and this time go for comprehension.
P.S. The name calling is a classy touch.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
And after, sadly, reading the article a third time... nothing about Bill Maher speaking at the Democtratic National Convention.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Your saying prominent democrats don't associate with Maher because of his bomb throwing and Republicans should have known better about ANN ?
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
If rational were a bit quicker on the uptake he would remind me of me in my teens. Its a positive tonic to poke him.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
...that he talks about the Democratic convention LAST WEEK and Moore and Maher dropping to their knees over the WEEKEND (which would be AFTER the convention) and BZZT.
Coulter still the bad apple in the pail.
Should read use of offensive language id just fine as long as its comedy ?
Hmmm how do you spell hypocrite ?
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
that spells Obsessive.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
You asserted that Bill Maher had spoke at the Democratic National Convention, then chided me for not being able to use Google, then snidly remarked at my reading comprehension, so... here's the article you refrenced again (which you EXPERTLY found on Google):
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/2/2004/929
So, go back to that article and using your reading comprehension... pull the money quote that backs your point up about Bill Maher speaking at the National Convention and I will go out and buy a copy of your book... er Ann's book... Godless and donate it to the local library here in Liberalville.
And if you can't pull that quote... you just have to shut up... for like 30 seconds.
Deal?
(Oh and I will just reprint what I actually SAID about Bill Maher: Bill Maher will not be asked to any major Democratic event where he'll be on the dais with the next President of the United Stares.)
Unless a republican is visiting you won't find the President of the United States on the Dais.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
"Bill Maher will not be asked to any major Democratic event where he'll be on the dais with the next President of the United Stares"
What you actually said
Bill Maher will not be allowed to speak at Dempac and will not be introduced by a Democratic candidate, who Maher will then ENDORSE.
Which I found rather likely seeing as the odds were good that Maher wouldn't be at Dempac seeing as its a statewide organization for Virginia.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
This was sort of fun, but is ultimately pathetic.
Dempac was a rift on GOPAC and you're smart enough to know that, as you are smart enough to know that you can't go around making a bunch of things up (Maher spoke at the Democratic National Convention), as are you smart enough to know that the article you chose to link (who knows why) doesn't indicate that Maher spoke at (or even WAS at) the Democratic National Convention, as you are smart enough to know that when I pointed all that out and you had no where left to go... you just changed the subject.
But though smart, you are not... honest.
I'm done playing.
You can keep searcingh me out and responding to something I write (which is, again, how THIS got started) but that's where it'll end, cause there's no point playing tennis with someone who doesn't care about the rules.
Best of luck to you in whatever it is you do.
But, thank you for your well wishes.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
This is rather tame.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777