Yellowcake uranium found in Iraq, Saddam's legacy, Bush was right!

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It appears that when George W. Bush, the CIA, and Tony Blair said that Saddam Hussein had yellowcake uranium, which was a violation of the UN resolution after the Gulf War, and one of the reasons why the USA and UK invaded Iraq to start the war, they were speaking the truth. 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium was found recently in Iraq, that Saddam had hidden for over five years from UN weapons inspectors, and sold to Canada recently. Reported by Brain Murphy of the Associated press at ABC News. Yahoo has a copy of the story at their news site as well.

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You might want to hold your horses a bit on this. This yellow cake referenced in this story was known to International Arms Inspectors, and had been under control sense 1992, after the Gulf war. I beleive Hans Brix and his merry band of men and women had inspected and knew about this stuff.

The Iraqi WMD issue in general is probably one that we the public will never learn the total truth of what was there and where it went because of intelligence issues and other political issues, but this news in not quite what you think it is. You might read a bit more on the topic before you go too far.

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If you ask people on the street if Saddam had Uranium my bet is you would see spikes determined entirely by the MSM and their access to other sources of information. The MSM has done an incredible job disseminating the Saddam was harmless idea.


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I guess that's fair enough, but there is the danger of overstating things in the sense that you loose credibility when you get caught making stuff up...Well unless you're Nobama, unless you're the NY Times....Well never mind.

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Do we need to wait until a rouge nation develops his/her own WMD capabilities?

I think the issue of Iran now is just the same with that of Iraq. Do we wait for Iran to develop its actual WMD capability before this Government takes an action?

Some SELF-PROCLAIMED FOREIGH POLICY EXPERTS AND EVEN ANTI-WAR AGENTS answer this question in a frivolous way: Other countries also have their own right to develop WMD.

This logic could only stand if each and every one of us will agree on the next likely question: Can you and will you trust Iran and leaders like Saddam? Who to trust is the most essential element of foreigh policy that need to be answered not theoretically, but with common sense and practicality.

Bush took the general wisdom of Truman, Eisenhower, Washington and Reagan in advising the next president of this country (hope Obama and McCain are listening): YOU HAVE TO MAKE PERSONAL COMMUNICATION WITH EACH OF THESE RATIONAL LEADERS BUT NEVER TO IRRATIONAL LEADERS.

That answers why we can sleep at night even though we know Russia and China have similar expertise. Personal communication should also be coupled. Having a strong economic ties (through economic trades/financial exchange) allow two countries to establish common interests even if they pose military threats to each other. That'ts the logic of China and Russia policy of the US since Reagan.

We do not want a repeat of JFK's dangerous fiasco.

You mean, like France? Maybe you meant "rogue nation"? ;)

wasn't yet Connecticut, they began the spew, even though Bill Clinton in 1998-2002 said the same things about wmd, wmd stockpiles, harboring of terrorists, and alliances for attacks, 3 of 4 of which have long been proven, were proven in the 90s!

And now here is a HIDDEN stockpile, that you say doesn't matter because Blix looked at it once?

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when Saddam kicked the inspectors out? Answer this little quandry SteveLA. Bet you can't.
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Saddam didn't kick the inspectors out, the UN pulled them out just prior to the invasion.

Saddam kicked the inspectors out in 1998.

They were back again by 2001 and remained there until the UN pulled them immediately prior to the invasion.

The weapons inspectors where not let back in until 2002. (I remember it being after the campaign began in Afghanistan.)

But the question, which you're avoiding, is who controlled the Uranium after the inspectors where expelled in 1998.

I realized it after typing it, I was merely setting straight the common misconception that the invasion was somehow triggered by Hussein kicking out the inspectors which was clearly not the case. As for who controlled this Yellowcake between 1998 and 2002, I'm not sure it matters, since the inspectors in 2002 knew of its existence and location, and it is apparently not weapons grade.

it ought to have always been a serious matter. Lots of nasty things you can do with any grade of yellowcake.

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The AP article stated it was not strong enough to make a dirty bomb with so on its own it was not a threat. However the article also said it could be enriched at higher levels to make a nuclear bomb, but since Hussein didn't have the ability to do this, and evidently was not trying to it is hardly a smoking gun. Now, if in 2002 the inspectors didn't find this 550 tonnes of yellowcake which Saddam was known to have possessed since before the first gulf war, that would have been cause for alarm as it would suggest he was either processing it, or had passed it along to another party.

Besides, why make the effort to acquire an ineffective amount if you don't intend to get more?

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There is no question that he had nuclear ambitions at one point. This 550 tonnes of Uranium was acquired before the first gulf war, at a time when he was an American ally. He was known to have it before 1992, and he still had the same amount, still in the same raw condition in 2002. You seem to want to be able to make the argument that if he had it he's guilty and if he didn't have it he's guilty. I understand that the notion of Saddam with uranium makes you feel uneasy, and I'm no fan of the idea either, but this is hardly the proof that Saddam secretly had WMDs no matter how much you want it to be.

I've chosen to give you some benefit of the doubt to let you have your say.

You seem a bit determined to drive your point home, a point that ignores a fact agreed to by all sides of the WMD issue, that Saddam wanted his neighbors and the world to think that he had deployable WMD's, whether they were ready to use or not. Saddam's conscious behavior is a factor in my viewpoint.

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Is there a country on the planet that doesn't try and give the impression that it is able to defend itself? I think you have lost sight of the fact that the post which we are commenting on is supposedly revealing that Saddam really did have actual WMDs after all, it is not a story about Saddam bluffing with imaginary WMDs.

I think our column is probably getting too narrow to really keep this up much longer. Have a good night.

but it seems a little close to Saddam apologia. I doubt if that's where you really want to go with this, in your heart of hearts.

I can agree on the well-wishes. Hope you rest well, too.

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The yellowcake wasn't "found recently", the article made no mention of it being in violation of a UN resolution (which would've made one wonder why they tagged it and left it if it had been), it wasn't "hidden", and we certainly didn't go to war over it.

Just about everything in this post is wrong.

the issue, it's moot. You will hear crickets chirping.

Don't get me wrong, I happen to think that there were WMD's (likely in the Bekka Valley & Syria now) but GWB has been so utterly feckless and spineless about taking on the Enemy at Home that it's a pointless exercise now.

Just as Carter & Clinton's non-actions spurred on aQ, GWB's non-actions have spurred on the Dems.
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whole brain over to Olberman.

you are moot

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as it points to the central weakness in the Bush Presidency.

Never let the other side frame all of the debate. It is important to wage the war of ideas in the public square.

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much for the same reason President Bush will attend the opening ceremonies of the Beijing Olympics.

Approval numbers or temporary political advantage at home are secondary at best, even trivial in some instances, if America's role regarding international relations, given we're the world's only remaining superpower, is given due consideration by a principled Executive.

It's an inherent political-weakness.

Unfortunately, there are times when principles must trump politics.

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Other than a debate with someone from the loony left, does the WMD issue matter any more? After all, it is as Collin Powell once said, "You break it, you own it". For whatever reason we went into Iraq, now the question is how do we win the war in Iraq and help the Iraqi government stand on it's own two feet or throw in the towel because we lack the will to see the war in Iraq to a good conclusion?

McCain will work towards a goal of continuing progress towards a goal of helping the Iraqi government stand on their own two feet. Nobama will work towards a goal of appeasing the angry Left by withdrawing as soon as he can. One of the reasons why I'm voting for McCain.

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On the macro level that's about right, I think. Iraq is recently achieving quite a bit of success and probably for the first time in the conduct of the war is that becoming an actual message the media would like to convey.

I still think it's crucially important to support the troops and the people on the ground in Iraq. The progress has recently been measurable and profound, but it could be reversed in a matter of a few days.

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when the turn of the 21rst Century is researched and investigated for the forthcoming papers and books regarding the transformation, or the lack thereof, of the Middle East following President Bush's initiative.

Time will tell whether, or not, President Bush's vision of a free and democratic Middle East will bear fruit.

He has certainly made the political sacrifice here at home.

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And if Iraq can achieve a measure of independence and democracy then many of the sins of omission in this war will be forgiven. But that's still a big "if." It depends on the willingness of the American people to continue to support it. Recent signs are encouraging, but let's not get crazy.

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And what should matter most to people who are not historians is whether or not this adventure in Iraq is seeing some kind of light at the end of the tunnel. Honestly, most people in the United States I think were willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the President -- they were willing to trust his acumen and to give him their confidence based on things they didn't know.

I know my father was: For almost the past five years he's held out the hope that "any day now" there was going to be a cache of new WMDs discovered and rolled out for the cameras, like some kind of an easter egg that Karl Rove would pull out of his hat. I've had to keep telling him that it wasn't going to happen, and it hasn't. And it's not going to. Because those weapons were gone by the time we got there.

It's nice that the yellowcake is going to Canada, but it was a known quantity for a long time now. If it was this important, it should have been showcased on the first day of the war after we invaded Baghdad.

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given the wide-spread looting of Iraq's government buildings and installations following the fall of Baghdad.

We certainly couldn't have brought that much yellowcake to US soil....

What governor would allow a shipment of yellowcake that large to cross their state line or be transported on their roads or rail system?

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It's 550 metric tons: that's really not a lot of material to guard. 550 metric tons of yellowcake sounds like a lot of material but the density of yellowcake uranium is approximately 2 grams/cubic centimeter.

550 metric tons equals 550,000,000 grams and that means 275,000,000 cubic centimeters of material. That's about 360 cubic yards of material, or about 9,700 cubic feet.

9,700 cubic feet of material is approximately a cube 25 feet wide by 25 feet long by 16 feet high. Smaller than a basic house, in other words. Not very big. Half a dozen trailer trucks.

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And say 60 trailer trucks worth, spreading it out real fine. Still not very much. My point is not to insinuate that we brought it there; it's to point out that it sounds like a lot of material but really isn't that much.

And I can watch 60 semi trailers pass in minute or two. It's just not that much material, particularly if it was left over stuff, the stuff that didn't get taken across the Syrian border.

The issue is not how many trucks it would take to transport the YC Uranium, but how to safely and securely transport and store it. A 60-truck convoy is a pretty big and easy target for any terrorist to hit, so the manpower required to clear the roads and keep them clear, as well as to provide backup in case they get into a jam would be a big drain on law enforcement and the economy. Trains would be much more efficient in this regard. Since you seem to know all of the numbers, how many Double-Stack Container cars or rail cars designed to carry nuclear materials would such a feat take?
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According to the article it took 37 plane flights to Diego Garcia in order to transship it to Canada. I'm sure that's right based on 550 metric tons: about 15 metric tons per plane, or approx. 33,000 pounds per shipment: they would have had to go out on C5s or Starlifters in some combination.

I don't know all the numbers, I think you're misreading my intention here. I'm trying to piece together what was happening. I'm sure the United States took every precaution in moving the material out of the country; I'm saying that it was probably a small fraction of the material that was there before the war officially began.

However, the political capital required to facilitate the interstate transportation of 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium across the continental US doesn't exist in the current political climate.

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I am absolutely positive, however, that it's much easier to find the political capital to facilitate that transportation when your friends are the Syrians and the Russians. They probably didn't even get charged a toll or have their passports checked at the border.

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"Oh, well then please go on."

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550 metric tons of uranium in 2008 is not the same thing that it would have been in 2003, politically speaking. It would have been much better to talk about it in 2003.

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However, should gas reach $7.50/gal., I predict that no governor has the political will to stop the interstate transportation of nuclear material across their respective state lines - raw, enriched or spent.

Hello, Yucca Mountain.

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one indicator. What is it worth to a rogue state, monetarily? What destruction would result from its eventual end use?

The free exchange of ideas inevitably yields both heat and light.

My point is that this is the "biggest" find we have and in my opinion it probably represents the leftover stuff that couldn't get carried across the border in the month or so Saddam had before the ground war began.

If this is the biggest find we have, my guess is that there's nothing bigger.

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needed to transport YC uranium is more significant than, say, number of trailer trucks needed to transport styrofoam cups or hairspray. Although the 2 latter have been said to have destroyed our atmosphere, anyway...

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That's backward. The density of styrofoam (depending on the type) is approximately 30 kilograms per cubic meter; 30 kilograms per 1,000,000 CCs or 0.03 grams per cubic centimeter, about 67 times less dense than yellowcake. So to transport an equal volume of styrofoam would have taken about 67 times as many trucks: instead of a half dozen you would need about 400 trucks to transport as much weight in styrofoam, all other things being equal.

It's the density of the material that determines how difficult it is to ship in this instance. Moving 550 metric tons of styrofoam would take quite a gigantic array of trucks, but they'd all be "light on their feet".

to make was the significance not of how many trucks, but what was inside said number of trucks.

Styrofoam and hairspray were just the first things that popped into my head.

The free exchange of ideas inevitably yields both heat and light.

You were right. My point is that it doesn't take that much volume to ship 550 metric tons of relatively dense material. My guess is that a lot more than that went over the border into Syria before the laser-guided munitions started falling.

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I believe that a lot more than 550 metric tons wound up in Syria. And it probably happened over the course of about a week, with a few hundred semiarticulated trailer trucks that were ridin' mighty low.

might be familiar with some of the drivers.

Pretty sure he already knows a few of the pilots.

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Sadly I think that history, or a view of history, is already being written. Unless there is a release of classified information that shows more than what has been released to date, I think History will view going into Iraq as a mistake followed by even more mistakes make by L. Paul Brenner, and SecDef Don Rumsfeld to do with conduct of the war immediately after Saddam fell.

I'm not endorsing that point of view, but looking at the question based on the facts at hand today, with 20/20 hindsight which all Historians have, I think the History books will not be kind.

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paint an entirely different picture of pre-war Iraq, and that's with less than ten percent of the exploitables having been translated to date.

It's too early to assume what historians will write regarding President Bush's initiative, IMHO. It will depend on the Middle East transformation, or the lack thereof.

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and well, and its vital that the world recognize that just because we didn't satisy their 13 week sitcom pilot attention span, that the danger is over

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to moveon

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for mbecker to say Bush shouldn't have ceded this point, among others, to the Dems. That said, this story does cite yellowcake from a stockpile that was known to inspectors (as SteveLA said), and therefore doesn't exactly prove the claims made in the President's SOTU.

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That SOTU -- and Gamecock, I have to tell you, you're a terrific partisan, but give me a minute here -- that sentence in that SOTU was approximately the single worst sentence that has ever been included in a Presidential State of the Union Address in the history of this Republic. Particularly if you judge it on the basis of what a lightning rod it was, and particular if you understand that even the people who wrote it have said it shouldn't have been included.

They did it wrong. In order to have a credible strategy when you take a country to war, not only do you have to *find* what you expected to find, you have to find *more* than you told people you would. The big problem with the Bush Presidency is that they talked about a rationale that they've taken forever to substantiate. Well, that's not good enough in political terms. Not after this many years of war.

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The Bush Administration screwed themselves on the greatest opportunity in history to present that evidence because even National Public Radio were willing to suspend their disbelief over the rationale for the invasion on the day our troops arrived in Baghdad.

The main problem is that after that, there was virtually nothing. This is not meant to be an attack on the people who have prosecuted the war on the ground, but as a matter of public perception, it was an an almost fatal overreach, as Vladimir Putin said it would be. The rest of the history of this war in the media speaks for itself in that regard.

The most basic and painful fact is that it is only now, in 2008, that we are "finding" these things and having them shown in the news media. Not very bright.

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hole in it.

Clinton's strategy of having a 65% approval rating worked?

not

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ALL POSSESSED wmd and verifying said destruction of same

not to "let" Blix or have Blix "find out and know" wmd exists.

so try again to defend saddam and becker for another irrelevacy post whose purpose is???

we already know of Bush's faults and becker's obsession with same

boring

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It's not going to make the news, MB, but it should. It also happens to be a few years late. I recommended this diary entry in a kind of wistful sense: where was the story when it was needed?

Instead we had things like "Mission Accomplished" -- perhaps the most egregious failure of public perception that has ever occured during any Presidency. And needless.

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perpetrated by people here at redstate now

and its not GC and the author

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If you think for one second your happytalk is going to make any difference while GWB sits around silent you are simply fooling yourself. This so called discovery will make no differnce in the short or long run because the Administration will ignore it. As usual.
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Given that our spy agencies have multi-billion dollar budgets and supposed expertise in every variety of black ops, would it have been too much trouble to have insured that some weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq? Since when do nations planning to overthrow dictatorial regimes operate on the honor system? I hope I don't come across as too cynical, but hell, I don't think we got our money's worth!

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were otherwise predisposed in their planning and execution of the WTC plot on 9-11

Only the second string was left to plan WMDs.

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That said, this is not new, albeit not very well-known outside certain parts of the intelligence community and consumers of such intelligence.

The "yellowcake" mentioned in this story has been under US military control since 2003. Additional quantities not known to inspectors were seized by the US military in 2003 during an unsuccessful attempt to smuggle "yellowcake" across the Iranian border.

The story completely ignores 1.8 metric tons of enriched uranium that was also seized in 2003.

In short: WilsonLied™

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Because I have always been a staunch defender of those "Sixteen Words."

Regarding my long-held position on Iraq's WMD's: WilsonLied™ should have been a dead-give-away.

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me want to puke!

great work Orion

we'll preach the truth without the dead repubs

Bush did not lie

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"The yellowcake wasn't the only dangerous item removed from Tuwaitha.

Earlier this year, the military withdrew four devices for controlled radiation exposure from the former nuclear complex. The lead-enclosed irradiation units, used to decontaminate food and other items, contain elements of high radioactivity that could potentially be used in a weapon, according to the official. Their Ottawa-based manufacturer, MDS Nordion, took them back for free, the official said."

So Saddam had equipment that could be used to make nuclear weapons as well as yellow cake uranium. Also Saddam had Calutrons that are used for making WMD grade yellow cake uranium to weapons grade that the UN missed as well.

Nice try Liberals, nice try to spin it off. Try the truth next time.

here that say they are patriots, conservatives and republicans (and I am not referring to Jaded).

But Orion, you are worth me not giving in!!

God bless Blastar America!

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We definitely need to make the mos out of every opportunity.

However, that should not stop an hones assessment of how we got here.

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news and fighting to make it the known facts?

I wonder if too many are just too old and burnt out. If so, why not just shut up and quit pouring cold water on the living?

You could still throw datrs at Dubya in the basement...

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Making this our job is a waste.

President Bush has the entire arsenal available to him to fight this.

We don't even have lawn darts at best we are using a small water pistol.

So we wind up doing ten times the work on defense and can't advance the issue at all.


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obtuse whining about bush it seems

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I've supported GWB's policies pretty much down the line, with the exception of immigration, NCLB & spending in general. His foreign policy has been about right as has his economic policy and his judicial nominations. He's been a better President than either of the two alternatives the Dems put forth.

But to sit back and ignore the FACT that he has flat out ceded the argument on every subject, not just the war, to the Ds is stupidity. He's not fought back when classified information was leaked to the press. He's not uttered a word in defense of his Iraq policies against a daily deluge of lies from the aQTimes and the Ds. He let them destroy him over Katrina when it was local officials who screwed the pooch. He's nominated great judges and let the Senate st on them WHEN WE HAD THE MAJORITY.

Bottom line, the guy had good instincts but he didn't have the stomach for the fight. His abdication of the fight has made it practically impossible for him or McCain to take unilateral action against Iran. It's emboldened the Ds in the Senate to sit on juducual nominations and they will likely continue to do so. His utter lack of responsible fiscal leadership has made it impossible to get even the Rs to agree to zap earmarks. And that feckless performace on Social Security has nigh well killed any ability to look at privatization.

He's a better President than Gore or Kerry would have been. He's a nice, a good and an honorable man. He's been a horrible disappointment and will most likely be remembered as a mediocre President. It's really too bad, I had really high hopes for the guy.
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news message..
wmd that could have been used to kill is now inoperable

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But MBecker is right, here. The WMD issue is over in a major way, this isn't going to help much.

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And nobody in the blogosphere is much of a replacement spokesperson for the President. The WMD story from beginning to end has been one of the dumbest things this President has done, and there are many others...

been used to kill innocent life, the wmd issue, is, thankfully over for the ones that would have been killed. Such events also present an opportunity to point out the wisdom of Bush and America's actions.

I want to seize such opportunities.

Becker and you? want to surrender to the msm false history?

sad

Rush bemoans the acceptor's of the left's premises...so does gamecock

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was either glossed over by the media or kept confidential by the government for easily understandable reasons. It's still beside the point of preemption. If Saddam were still in place today, Iraq and Iran would, for all anyone would know, have WMD's pointed at each other and at Israel, too, and the left would be exploiting that as negligence by an irresponsible administration.

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I understand that Bush can do no wrong as far as you're concerned, GC, but quite frankly, 'Becker is right.

Tout it as loudly as you can on Redstate and your column. If you're lucky some MSM maven would cite you as an example of one of those "crazy wingnuts" who still believes "Bush's lies" on page 31, right beside the advert for stationery and Viagra.

Bush has more than enough resources to get it on page 1. He has chosen not to employ them ... for five long painful years for his Administration and his party because of New Tone™.

So if criticizing him 24/7 from now until he goes back to Crawford is what it'll take to ensure that no Republican President henceforth would ever make the same mistake of being an anti-Communicator again, then so be it.


"First you win the argument, then you win the vote." - MARGARET THATCHER.
So let's start winning the argument.

From the article

"Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said."

It's great news that the Bush administration working with the Iraqi government did something positive here, and made money for the Iraqi people in the process. This action made sure some really nasty stuff could never get into the wrong hands, and that's great. But...conflating this story into a vindication of President Bush's assertion of WMD's in Iraq is frankly the same sort of crooked logic that the Left is condemned over and over again on this site. Is credibility something that no longer matters?

Again, the Bush administration did a great job dealing with this problem, and they should be applauded for it.

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NObama...no way!.....McCain '08 !

are typically premature, I would think. Further investigation ought to automatically be warranted for anything WMD-related.

Does anyone know if those basins in An-Nassariyeh were drained? That's where the fiercest resistance was in the initial invasion and, IIRC, where we found chemical warfare suits and antidote shots laying around, and these large basins filled with water where we thought we'd find something.

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If you don't believe George W. Bush, maybe you'll believe Bill Clinton about Iraq having the ability to make WMDs and having yellow cake uranium as a basis to justify an invasion of Iraq? Bush's intelligence was based on Clinton's intelligence. But Bush is called the liar, and Clinton the truth teller. After giving into pressure from other Liberals, Bill Clinton changed his mind as did Hillary Clinton as well.

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... done with this. It makes one want to tear his hair out.


"First you win the argument, then you win the vote." - MARGARET THATCHER.
So let's start winning the argument.

a Hollywood-style nuclear bomb in neon lights. But true WMD's have less glam- bacteria in a petri dish, torture chambers and rape rooms, poison gas cannisters, emissaries bringing support to suicide bombers, safe houses for known terrorists, an army that launched two major wars in 1980 and 1991, and conducted ethnic cleansing right up to 2003,

The famous "sixteen words" were about Saddam "seeking" to buy yellowcake in Niger in violation of UN prohibition.

Wilson found that they were, indeed, "seeking" but did not succeed, thus they were not in actual violation. Out of such trivia was much printing ink splashed.

Surely yellowcake is not WMD and has nothing to do with WMD. Anyone who says otherwise would be a liar to the standard of Her Fairness, Madame Pelosi, just like President Bush. Afterall, it's just a cake.

Yellowcake would be the best evidence to Pelosi's argument that there wasnt and there wouldn't be WMD under the watch of Saddam, the best friend of America. Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and Pelosi can give us 100% assurance.

Let Pelosi keep her best evidence instead of twisting intelligence reports right in her very home. (Paging neighbors of Pelosi, yellowcakes might be delivered within your area).

Anyone who would like to second?

Who should we use, FedEx, or UPS?
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A special chartered plane will do. Just drop the yellowcakes on the roof of Pelosi' house. Let her pick up her evidence one-by-one.

He! He!

But the UPS commercials have that guy drawing stuff on the whiteboard and it's really cool. :-/ Maybe split it 50/50 between the two?

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I found it more enjoyable this Sunday to enjoy reading a Louis L'Amour novel than engage in the relentless attacks on GWB because he does not attack furiously enough the '2+2=5 folks' who in the '90's spoke of the evil of Saddam (ie 2+2=4).


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observations, and I mean that in the best possible way

God bless

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I go awhile between readings, but I go occasionally on a Louis L'Amour jag - and I must say that a large part of my Man Code comes straight from the formulaic LL hero.

Most recent read: Flint.

Impeach the 5 usurpers

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What is sad is that Louis passed away before he could write parts 2 and 3 of a trilogy. It is not the usual western novel. It is a story of an adventure starting on an isle between England and France in the 12th Century and ending in Persia. Some real good Man Code in this one.


Extreme taxation, excessive controls, oppressive government competition with business … frustrated minorities and forgotten Americans are not the products of free enterprise.Ronald Reagan

an epic novel in every sense. Top ten LL book for me. I patterned myself more specifically after his western heroes - soft-spoken, always the gentleman if a bit rough-edged, the need for good to stand up against evil, as violently as needed.

Impeach the 5 usurpers

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"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race." - The Chief Justice

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"The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race." - The Chief Justice

< begin liberal spin mode >

It wasn't the right kind of uranium!

Uh...

It was there all along and we know about it!

uh...

I said it was there before I said it wasn't!

uh...

It's all Bush's Fault!

uh....

Obama!

< end liberal spin mode>

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Dependence is Slavery.

Impeach the 5 usurpers

> "I am trying to submit this to Slashdot despite their liberal bias there".

FYI, they posted the story at http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/06/1637205

However, did you read the article that you linked to? It states "U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said".

So your summary (and /. submission, as written) is misleading, if not inaccurate.

When I was with 3/7 INF 3rd ID and was guarding a yellowcake factory (and daydreaming of twinkies at the time) I have wondered ever since why the media and our leadership didnt report on our finding and securing the site...seems like reporting it then when people still noticed that we had troops over there would have made quite a dent in the NO WMD story.

The lies have now become the truth. No amount of proof will make any difference until history records all of this.

There have been chemicals found in Iraq also that are used in WMD's. The MSM simply won't let Bush get any credit for Iraq.

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"The perfect is the enemy of the good."

Pesticide plants in particular, and they could be up and running in about an hour. But since they weren't "large stockpiles of WMD's".... Crickets....

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“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so.” – Ronald Reagan

Congratulations! You must of wet your pants when you read about the yellowcake. "I told you, I told you! He DID have WMDs!!!! He did! He did!"

Fair and Balanced crooksandliars.com posted your blog. LOL! What a fool you are! You may now take two steps forward and join W in his intellectual stupor. Anyone have a copy of "My Little Pony" they can send you?

You "must HAVE" wet your pants, not "must of" wet your pants.

Sort of like what you do when you see Barack, or a real live girl up close. With boobies and all. You know.

You may now take two steps back and hit the door, braniac. LOL! LOL! Yuck yuck!

Don't call us; we'll call you.

Moe Lane

PS: But let me tell you the funny part; you're not being tossed because of the yellowcake thing. I didn't take it seriously, either. You're being tossed because I can't respect a man who has no self-respect.

I mean, really. Crooks & Liars? That's where the people too dumb for firedoglake go.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

What does John Edwards have to do with any of this?



McCain for POTUS so the left can't ruin SCOTUS.

 
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