Dead people register to vote in St. Louis.

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Promoted by Erick. Just another reason people should have to show valid photo ids when they vote.

For all those out there who say there are no real examples of dead people voting or fraud involved in politics, I offer you this story from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Remember ACORN? You know, the group who went around and campaigned for Claire Mc Caskill while supposedly signing up voters on the preface of working with the minimum wage issue?

According to officials it looks like there were around 1500 "'potentially fraudulent' voter registration cards" brought in by ACORN. Yes, some were dead people.

Read on . . .

The board says all the questionable cards were turned in by one group - the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, commonly known as ACORN...

Statewide, ACORN has turned about 40,000 new voter registrations in recent weeks, Mellor said. About 15,000 were collected in the city of St. Louis and 5,000 in St. Louis County. The rest were primarily in the Kansas City area.

So how many of those registrants are fraudulent? How many will be voting for Claire Mc Caskill? I hope our supreme court decides to let the law requiring IDs to stand firm. Otherwise the dead will truly vote for Claire.

Cross posed at Arena of Ideas

Maybe the GOP should try and do a push in New Orleans.

(I kid, I kid...)

Love Paul

if it effectively prevented their dead from passing down their voter registrations.
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I just posted this on my blog. I viewed a video at It pubdef.net.

shows what looks like Claire Mc Caskill passing out ballots at a rally and showing voters how to vote for her.

Is this legal?

A lot of people do this.

Never have seen it before.

ACORN registers NAMES, not "voters".

Those names will be on a voting list. ACORN operatives will then "vote" in the name of those people. And then move on to the next precint.

This works especially well in housing projects and other slums, where most people don't vote and don't care.

The other technique is to drive senile old people to the polls and "helping" them with their sample ballots. I would imagine ACORN "helps" lots of senile, dead, non-existent people cast "votes" all the time.

rather transparently bad faith, no?

...which were passed by various states have been struck down by judges as unconstitutional.

This type of stuff is SOP in St. Louis City. And you wonder why the Dems were suing to get the MO Voter ID Law overturned.

Recent elections were swung by darn near 100% turnout in STL, including the 2000 GOV Race and 2000 Senate Race, both won by Dems.

Sitting out is a vote for KOS.

is incredibly common in St. Louis. As a Missouri resident, and a long time GOP guy, I know that the Dems have been registering dead voters (and dogs, and cats, etc.) for years. The only way to stop this crap is to put people at the polls who will challenge the people who show up to vote for all these dead voters. Of course, when we do that the Dems scream "intimidation!!!" Ha, if only it were so.

A precedent embalms a principle.
- Disraeli

When Mary Landrieu was elected to the Senate by a small margin thanks to NO inner city voting, my mom said she saw a story about one lady complaining. She was paid $25 to vote for Mary, and only got paid $25 instead of $75 even though she voted for her three times that day.

Sorry to go a bit OT,
but I heard that in the runoff in 2002 for LA Senate, Landrieu was panicked over lower urban NOLA turnout than she wanted. Apparently, she had an impromptu teleconference with some NOLA bigwigs and Slick Willie himself. Slick Willie told the NOLA bigwigs in no uncertain terms that if they didn't get their act together, they would be taking the political equivalent of the dirt nap.

Well, no more than a few minutes after that call, the schoolbuses (probably the same ones that sat idle last year) were rolling into the projects in NOLA and driving the residents to the polls.

I only remember this from stories Limbaugh told about it, but if true, that is what may be happening in STL in a few weeks.

Sitting out is a vote for KOS.

...that a category 5 election was coming last year.

The story says there were 3 cards for dead people, out of about 20,000 in the St. Louis area. Maybe instead of trying to make a big deal out of minor glitches, we should focus on doing something productive

...this is a three-quarter Moby. It woulda been full, except there was only one "we." cre14, your first and last post here was very, very underwhelming. Bye.

Best to publish baseless gripe after baseless gripe rather than try to have a discussion. GOP losses this fall will be because 3 dead people registered in St. Louis, that's for sure.

There were nearly 1500 cards which look to be fraudulent.

Yes three, so far, are dead people but you are missing the point. Swallow a cammel and choke on a gnat.

SSDD
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Because it takes dead people longer to get through the lines??

Hey look, you can't go arguing dirty politics just because one party or the other concentrates its voter registration efforts on groups that tend to vote their way.

Karl Rove and his allies certainly spend a lot more time & money trying to register voters in the exurbs than they do registering welfare recipients, because they're only interested in voter registration efforts that result in a net increase in votes for Republican candidates. You're not complaining about that are you?

So isn't it just as rational and fair for the Democratic Party and its supporters to focus on registering likely Democratic voters? With the possible exception of convicted felons, no voting constituency is more solidly Democratic than dead people, so of course the Democrats should try to register more of them.

voters as it is contacting and recontacting registered republicans and putting information in their hands.

While I haven't done any volunteer work this election cycle, my daughter and I spent a lot of time during the '04 campaign season knocking on doors in our community with various fliers (the first papering was for registered independants and republicans). The weekend before the election, we just knocked on the doors of registered republicans.

I am sure there were some voter registration drives, but mostly Rove's strategy focused on getting out the GOP voter.

And I don't think registration drives in areas that have voters that lean more towards your party in general is wrong, but I do think paying people to register voters or paying them per voter registered is wrong-I think that may lead to fraud-either purposefully or just because it is easier to pretend like you did work for your paycheck than to actual do the work, since you get paid for it either way.

But to clarify the GOP get out the vote strategy focuses more on getting the registered GOP voter out to vote than recruiting new voters.

to know where to begin.

I suppose we should start with ACORN. As a 501(c)3 organization, they are required by law to be non-partisan. So recruiting for Democrats is verboten. Doing so with federal grant money is doubly so. When you do go on a voter registration drive you are supposed to make a reasonable effort to ascertain that the registrations you submit are valid registrations for actual voters in the area. They haven't finished looking at the registrations, and they already have 1492 that are "possibly fraudulent" with "hundreds of the questionable voter-registration cards have suspicious signatures, with some showing similar handwriting." I don't take fraud at the ballot box lightly. This isn't the first time ACORN has been caught with their hands in the honey pot, and they haven't been seriously prosecuted for any of them.

Now, as to the allegations about Rove, well, yes, we expect Democrats to focus on urban registrations and Republicans to focus on the exurbs. We also expect them to be real live people who can actually walk (or at least roll for those in wheelchairs) into the voting booth. Dead people can't do that. Sixteen year olds aren't legally able to do that. Non-existent people are not able to do that. Now, I suppose you will also accuse us of being hard-hearted classists in thinking that perhaps the people filling out the registration forms should also be able to read and write, but frankly, in this age, I'm not sure how you create an informed opinion about issues if you can't do that, at least at the seventh grade level most of the forms require.

Although seems like in 2004 it was pretty well established that the ACORN group at least was actually partisan, I guess the IRS decided not to bother that go around.

I also recall quite a few fraudulent registrations showing up in that election as well.

But at least when you volunteer for the GOP or DNC your partisanship is known ahead of time.

I thought the last sentence of the post you're taking seriously would make the joke blatantly obvious, regardless of any subtlety preceding it. However since it went past at least a couple of people, here it is again but with extra hints:

<punchline>With the possible exception of convicted felons, no voting constituency is more solidly Democratic than dead people, so of course the Democrats should try to register more of them.</punchline>

My initial impulse was to get snarky about reading comprehension, but considering the lunacy that some leftist kooks actually do advocate, I suppose it's understandable you thought the post was real.

That dead people all vote democrat?
And thisis something you learn in exactly what cult?

are straight party Democratic voters.

That dead people all vote democrat? And thisis something you learn in exactly what cult?

Some other people missed the joke, so I'm not sure if you also did or maybe I'm missing your joke. Regardless, let's consider the factual question whether people of rigor mortis do in fact vote mainly for Democrats (with the help of kind hearted living progressives, who go to the polls on their behalf or mail in their absentee ballots).

The actual ballots don't tell us which are from dead voters, so we can't directly count which party dead people favor. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any exit polls with subtotals for that demographic either.

That leaves us with inference based on the highly reliable Cui bono? test (actually the logically implied inverse, for anyone who wants to be picky about it).

Democrats and Republicans, in a near-zero sum game, each want to get voters to the polls who are likely to vote for them. In all the cases of registering dead people I've read about in recent elections, it's left/Democratic aligned groups who have done it.

It could be argued that's just anecdotal evidence, ignoring some big Cadavers for Bush Club that I overlooked. What is inarguable, based on the legislative record, is that Democrats in Congress and state governments have been vigorously opposing Republican efforts to disenfranchise the dearly departed community. Republicans have generally favored picture ID requirements for voting and frequent verification of the voter rolls, while Democrats have tried with much success to block those measures that would trample on dead people's right to vote.

It's a safe bet the Democrats wouldn't be going to all that effort to register the existentially challenged if they weren't confident they would vote mainly Democratic.

but since this story only reinforces it: re: the future headline posted by someone about Hillary's appointment of Dworkin to SCOTUS, and the objection that she was dead - its affirmative action! since the dead are such a sizable portion of their electorate, one should expect the Dems would reward them by putting one of their own on the bench, no? benefits of such an appointment are that, as when they vote, the dead will rule the way they want, and a dead justice can't die and thus require replacement.

I have no problem with Democrats registering real people. However, I do have problem with ACT and ACORN registering nonexistent people because this will lead to voter fraud. Alot of voters registered here in Florida by ACT have been proved to be nonexistent. The reason for this was that ACT was paying $10 per new voter. This gave the workers a financial reason to makeup people. I think Mickey Mouse is now registered to vote here in Florida and Ohio because of ACT.

For all Democrats reading this, the Republican workers who work the voter registeration table are volunteers.

people to register voters should be illegal.

I think this typs of registration should be done by volunteers only, because offering a pay incentive I think may lead to more cheating-like registering fake voters. To be honest, I can easily see going to the local cemetary and registering 50 voters for $500 as being much easier than actually knocking on 50 doors, or sitting outside a grocery store to register 50 real voters.

thing. And where local politics run the the extreme for one party (mostly it appears to be dem controlled inner cities, but I am willing to see evidence of a GOP controlled city cheating), it seems cheating is rampant, and I think mostly because the local party isn't going to challenge the suspect voter.

Seems like voter ID laws are a good move, although I wonder if the locals will just not do much to enforce it, and continue to turn a blind eye to the suspect voters.

"I am shocked - shocked! that there is voter fraud going on in this establishment!"

"Your election results, sir"

"Thank you."

Isn't this the same place that kept the election polling places open in 2000 til 11:30 pm at Black inter-city precincts, while closing them at 7:00 pm sharp in surburban areas?

Eric Dondero
www.mainstreamlibertarian.com

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/10/mccaskills-war-veteran-campaig...

Looks like the Dems are pulling another scam in MO

Sitting out is a vote for KOS.

Survey USA just released a poll that shows Talent traling 51-42%. Geez, it's getting close to election day...let's get these campaigns in high gear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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