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Not only that. RoPaul has the survivalist, anti-Federal Reserve, pro-gold standard, isolationist vote all to himself. And probably some of the Democrats voted for him, too.

The "Third Worst Person in the World" and aiming higher.

Considering Paul spent millions and Fred spent 0 dollars and 0 time in Michigan, I wouldn't exactly call it a crushing defeat. :)

vote for him. Let's face it anyone who votes for RP should be sterilized so as not to pass on defective genes. That's the problem with the modern world. In the old days RP supporters would be known as ....food.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

half of them are they even look like this guy below the other half are just mixed up basically lost in the wilderness somewhere

Wandering around in the wilderness. I don't mind the whack jobs supporting him but the thought of anyone with two IQ points to rub together, well, that's just depressing.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

We are talking about Ron Paul here. How much money would it take? Geesh

dude, listen up. It's comments like that which cause people to get irritated with you. How is a person supposed to answer that? Your comment has no point. Provide opinion, analysis or information. Not just snark.

Welcome back :)

O.K. you mean the same analysis that I got yesterday. Where people accused me of being a Huckabee hack and a Ron Paul supporter.

I think that the real story here is that the Thompson supporters like getting riled up. And that it doesn't take much to accomplish this.

My point that Thompson can't win and doesn't have the personality to lead conservatives is valid and I've seen many posts relaying that same message to you guys.

Reality is your friend.

Like I said I vote in April 25th. I'll give Thompson South Carolina. If he doesn't finish in the top two I'll have to support another candidate.

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"My point that Thompson can't win and doesn't have the personality to lead conservatives is valid and I've seen many posts relaying that same message to you guys."

You don't see people making those assertions on the basis of the Paul fringe. That's a flawed reason. Basis makes a difference if you are serious in your attempt to understand.

Which you are not, as it is clear you will continue to jump from one reason to another, making wild and ridiculous assertions, mocking well-thought out responses, goading with childish behavior, and generally acting like a buffoon.

You may be served very well by reading your own posts. You just said others here make the same declarations about Thompson.

You should ask yourself why they aren't reviled and persecuted so.

absentee

That's why I watch Fox News. They give me all the opinion, analysis, and information I need. Ron Paul 6% and Thompson 4%.

What is your point. Make a damn point!

run away and spend no money in any state, so that when you can't outpoll Uncommitted, you can claim you've not been defeated yet!

you'll pardon the rest of us if we don't find that to inspire much confidence in his viability as a candidate. Fred can't dismiss states the way an attorney does jurors in November because they're not on his side.

Nice one Dienekes

Wait. How about we wait to finish fourth in South Carolina and then build momentum for Super Tuesday. Oh wait we don't have any money.

Sounds like a winning strategy.

Eventually, we have to find a candidate that is viable and can defeat the Democratic Party candidate.

If (and I really mean if...not I hope to God the polls are wrong), Fred does much better than fourth (1st), are you prepared to eat crow on your prediction?

Please keep in mind that I, simpson316, have been very careful not to denegrate anyone's supporters (not even RP) while many others have done so. You can search my blogs and any of the comments that I have made on here. Go ahead. Or not. [I hope absentee hasn't denounced two word sentences yet!]

For someone who is pulling for Fred (as you claim to), you really do seem to go out of your way to knock him down. I would very much like to see you go on an equal opportunity rant on any of the other candidates. If you treated everyone else (and their supporters) the same way, I think a lot more people would cut you some slack. IMO [I simply had to put one cliche in here!]

Originally, I was never impressed with any of this candidates. I think the GOP is in serious trouble and lost it's way. Last election I saw good conservative candidates like Rick Santorum go down to someone like Bob Casey Jr.

I truly believe our party has lost it's way. I'm searching for a candidate that could re energize the conservative movement.

Thompson hasn't shown me this yet. May be it will just simply comedown to concluding that non of these candidates will leave up to my expectations.

Sorry about the spelling. Can't multi task.

I think it's a mental deficiency in my case though...;)

faith. I have faith in Fred. You do not. Faith is that intangible (I hope I spelled that right...too lazy to check) that you get in your gut. My gut says that he will. It sounds like he is really starting to energize folks in SC. I've seen multiple comments on here and other blogs that liken his rallys to a rock concert level of energy.

O.k. Simpson. I'll take your word for it. Conservatives here in Pennsylvania will be waiting. I sure hate to hold my nose and vote this election year.

on your own blog entry? HA!

Since Fred didn't campaign there and Ron Paul did, along with spending tons of money, it's pretty clear to a clear thinking individual why Fred got 4%. Why did Huckabee only get 16% if he campaigned the heck out of the state and spent tons of $$ there? Dang, I bet he is pissed!

When/if Thompson finishes first or a strong second in SC, I want you to write the most brilliantly glowing blog in support of Thompson RedState has ever seen.

If Thompson doesn't meet my expectations, then I'll write the same blog for whoever you chose.

Texas Proud and Texas Loud

I'm still standing by my prediction. Thompson will struggle to finish in the top three South Carolina. He may have a shot to defeat Huck A Chuck.

He will struggle on Super Tuesday regardless and I have to vote April 25th.

I hope I'm not stuck with just Romney. Is Thompson even setting up at campaign team here in Pennsylvania?

Simpson316. I found out that Thompson's record was more conservative than I thought.

If I remember correctly, the conservative revolution was about rolling back the New Deal and Great Society entitlement programs. Unfortunately, non of that happened during the 90's.

I simply asked what big government entitlement programs Thompson attempted to reduce or cut.

I found out yesterday Thompson fought to streamline these programs thus reducing government waste. I also learned that he is a big time federalism supporter. I like that as well.

Just because I understand what the original conservative revolution was all about doesn't mean I'm a Ron Paul supporter.

I also questioned whether Thompson has the personality and demeanor to lead the conservative revolution. I truly haven't seen this thus far.

That's a great response.

You kept choosing to go back to the same tired posts (all over the place I might add) about Fred and McCain voting the same 85% of the time, etc. That really reaked of the whole fingers in ears thing.

But, yes, thank you for a reasoned post. I certainly don't begrudge someone that has a different opinion than I do. I also hope that my research for you helped to illuminate what Fred has done.

I would have to say, speaking as someone who was in high school at the time, that it was my understanding that the Contract with America was largely about reducing the federal government in any way possible. I would have to say that FDT certainly did a lot of work in that respect. Unfortunately, like you have said, it did not take long for the party to forget why they were elected and return to the pork-barrel politics of the rest of congress.

You did a great job yesterday revealing Fred's conservative record. I thank you for that.

I'm now more concerned about his viability.

You guys got to remember that I'm a voter in Pennsylvania. I vote on April 25th. This could go a long way in determining who is going to be the GOP nominee if results remained scattered.

I want to make an educated vote but viability plays a big role if you consider where this race will be at on April 25th.

I firmly believe (and have since I started seriously supporting Thompson), that South Carolina was the first place that his candidacy would have a chance. His big push in Iowa was to get a showing. That showing would give him a shot at the southern strategy.

If the reports are right, Fred is packing in crowds in SC. With just a few short days to go, he has really been hammering things away in SC. He picked up 4 pts in one poll alone. I'd really be interested to see how Mitt's win tonight changes things in SC. I've seen that intertrade has already shown a +16% for Thompson in SC. It's not scientific, but it has shown where people are willing to put their money, not just their ideology.

Either way though, I'm loving this political season. It's quite nice to be involved in the politics of primary season. Last time around I probably couldn't have even told you why I voted GWB in the general. (Ok...it's cause he was a Republican)I was just some dumb college kid.

Voters in SC aren't going to care what happens in Michigan anymore than Michigan cared about NH or that NH cared about Iowa.

Huck after Iowa?

McCain after NH?

Mitt went up 4 points in NH after WY.

Winning matters.

There's been an organized effort by McCain to get people who aren't in his own Party to vote for himi-what does that say about his conservative principles? Face the facts-independents and Democrats did not show up to vote for McCain, and then Mitt hammered him with Republicans-you know, the ones that are going to vote for us in the general. For someone from my home state, don't embarrass Illinoisans with conspiracy theories about the Fredheads rigging the election. You didn't hear us accusing McCain and Obama working together in NH?

If you ever find that you only have an hour to live,spend it with a liberal and it will seem like a year."-Rush Limbaugh

Thanks BlackRepub

I was sticking up for Fred and the unfairness of PennPatriot's crictism that Fred is a bad candidate for not beating Paul. I should have been more clear about that. The margins of Fredheads or Rudybots for that matter going to Romney was not enough to effect the race. Mitt ran a good campaign and will get more votes than Hillary who was running aganist no one and it looks like he could get a double digit win and only trail Hillary's "winning" margin by four.

McCain '08

"Their was an organized effort by Fredheads in MI to vote for Romney to stop McCain. I do not know how large it was, but I am sure it most likely was atleast the gap between Paul and Fred."

So, you're saying that Fred and His People are every bit as devious and crafty as the Clintons? That would seem to make him the perfect candidate to run against either Hillary or Obama. And here I thought that Fred was just a McCain shill. That's what Joe Scarborough told me, anyway.

The "Third Worst Person in the World" and aiming higher.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Luved the Giuliani comment. Oh wait is he running for he Governor of Florida? Or better yet may be just the Mayor of Miami. It is a better gig than New York by far.

If you don't like the thread don't comment. I'm glad to see a majority of the people in this thread agree with you. Ah 2 including yourself.

I try and stay away from personally attacking people. Like I said in numerous posts and comments.

I am a PA voter. Viability of a candidate on April 25th will play a big role in my vote. Read the comments. Geesh.

absentee

Lets keep the focus on analysis here. So you are saying democrats voted for Ron Paul over Thompson? Ooooy!

Sorry I wasn't clear on that.

I give the moRons credit for knowing their natural constituency, at least.

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O.K. I didn't realize that Thompson supporters were voting for Romney to derail McCain. Is this really why Romney won? MMMMMMMM

since you've provided exactly NO analysis. Just for your edification:

a·nal·y·sis Pronunciation[uh-nal-uh-sis]
–noun, plural -ses
1. the separating of any material or abstract entity into its constituent elements (opposed to synthesis).
2. this process as a method of studying the nature of something or of determining its essential features and their relations: the grammatical analysis of a sentence.
3. a presentation, usually in writing, of the results of this process: The paper published an analysis of the political situation.
4. a philosophical method of exhibiting complex concepts or propositions as compounds or functions of more basic ones.

Your glib little comments are nothing more than unsubstantiated opinions that provide or produce none of the above.

You know whats interesting is that Fred Thompson hired ex PA Congressman Bob Walker of Chester County to chair his campaign here. I read that as an expression of: damn the torpedos and ful steam ahead.

I see the Huckster taking South Carolina and having a better Super Tuesday showing than Fred Thompson. Here's why (and many others have said this) The conservative block that refused to join Rudy McRomeny waited for Fred to get in this thing, when he did he was not as exciting as they thought, so they migrated to the Huckabee after hearing him speak for a little.

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I was brought up to believe that how I saw myself was more important than how others saw me. (Anwar al-Sadat, President of Egypt, 1970-1981)

Your post answered my early question regarding Thompson's campaign in Pennsylvania. Many pundits here are predicting that our primary should be hot and heavy.

From this perspective I haven't heard of any structured Thompson campaign here. Thanks for answering my question.

Thompson made the big no no in politics.

Don't be late for dinner. :)

you sure do want to place strict limits on the conversation.

In terms of analysis, why limit your self to horserace analysis.

the snark thread is somewhere else. He does, at least with me, attempt real debate. The name calling is useless and far below the normal posting standards of RedState.

Watch putting your kneck out here. You may just get it cut off. :) I'm with ya though Simpson316. Again PA Conservatives will be waiting lets hope Thompson makes a move.

I agree he needs more debates to hammer Huck A Suck.

his huge debt forgiven and went out to choke the neck of someone who owe him a few bucks. Someone just stuck his neck out for you against name calling and right away you denigrated Gov Huckabee's good name.

I'm waiting for the thread to be closed or for myself to be kicked off at this point.

I think you've made some valid points but I also find you extremely annoying. It sounds to me from what I've read of your posts, you believe Fred is the best choice, but you have no faith in him, or his campaign, or his supporters. So basically in your eye's we're screwed.

The way I see it, you'd be better served to support him, rather than try to tear his support apart. Being a conservative, seeing the glass half-full is a normal point of view for me.

Have some faith in the process and hope for the best... I have faith in the supporters in SC, and Fred, and his campaign, to get the word out. Your snarky posts have motivated me to send more money to Fred. I such an optimist, I can even find some good in you. It wasn't easy though, I personally wish you would have stayed gone.

Question is: With a theory like that, is it an evil genious? ;)

I had to continue the use of cartoon characters in comments!

Not that they need it though. They closed it precisely because the comments thread had become a far bit less civilized than they would care to have on this board. There was a lot of name calling (idiot etc) that is not tollerated on the site. They closed it off so cooler heads could prevail.

A real conservative would care about private property. I guess you aren't real. You aren't viable! Stick to analysis! Distasteful? That's name calling by your standards. Stick to ana ....

Ah, waste of time. Hinz rule.

Total troll.

absentee

I'm particularly fond of the way you compliment yourself, then tell the mods what their rights are.

Is there an anti-recommend button somewhere?

We should find out what the New York Times thinks, oh my yes. While we are at it, please let me know how the ACLU feels about my church, where DailyKos stands on Giuliani's record, and perhaps some insight into what Howard Dean thinks about Redstate and those who post here.

Hurry, though. Hurry fast. I can hardly stand the wait.

absentee

I will no longer respond to your posts or participate in comments to your posts.

Of all the people who post on this site, you seem to be insufferably snug.

Not sure what pleasure you get from this, but I will no longer feed it.

Great job!

I would have to disagree with you here. (BTW...Reply To This). c17wife did not resort to name calling. My quasi-defense of you was in regards to the name calling from above. I would have to say that it has been very difficult, at best, to get you to debate on issues. You have overwhelmingly continued to knock the bee hive with a stick. I must agree that my patience for your posting is wearing thin also. I may soon have to ignore your work too.