Full Metal Jackasses
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The most recent display of how true liberals feel towards Americans who serve in the armed forces started with Senator Jay Rockefeller proving that another great industrial family may have truly been spoiled by success and gone utterly to seed. Rockefeller described John McCain’s service as an aviator in Vietnam as follows.
"(McCain) was a fighter pilot who dropped laser-guided missiles from 35,000 feet. He was long gone when they hit."
"What happened when they [the missiles] get to the ground?" Sen. Jay Rockefeller said in an interview published in Tuesday's Charleston (West Virginia) Gazette. "He doesn't know. You have to care about the lives of people. McCain never gets into those issues."
This was truly despicable. So bad that McCain’s campaign wasted no time calling Senator Rockefeller on to the carpet to smell the pile he had left there. McCain spokesman and fellow Vietnam POW, Orson Swindle fired back an angry response.
"Had Senator Rockefeller served himself, he would appreciate and understand that most who have been to war emerge with a much deeper concern for humanity than they otherwise might," said the former Marine lieutenant colonel. "If he knew what he was talking about, he would know that John McCain wasn't dropping laser-guided missiles at 35,000 feet in 1967."
Rockefeller’s comment lacked the class that should always accompany a grand fortune such as the Rockefeller estate. He proves that he is yet another stuffed shirt, who inherited the fortune of Croesis, but has discovered that vast sums of money will never pinch-hit for his dignity as a human being. Since Senator Rockefeller supports the Obama Presidential Campaign, Senator McCain called on Obama to repudiate his attack-lackey.
Read on . . .
Senator Obama and Senator Rockefeller began their odious walk-back with a pair of thoroughly disingenuous apologies.
Senator Obama has a deep respect for Senator McCain’s service to this country and doesn’t agree with what Senator Rockefeller said,” said Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki.
Rockefeller’s Senate office released a statement by the senator that said he regretted the comment. “I have deep respect for John McCain’s honorable and noble service to our country. I made an inaccurate and wrong analogy and I have extended my sincere apology to him.
“While we differ a great deal on policy issues, I profoundly respect and appreciate his dedication to our country, and I regret my very poor choice of words.”
Both men were forced into hypocrisy by political expediency. Each had to go through the public dog and pony show and repudiate what Senator Rockefeller and most liberal Democrats sincerely feel about people who serve in the US Armed Forces. The comments of Barack Obama’s supporters on the CNN weblog tell us exactly how liberals truly feel. User NX from VA offered the following sentiments.
April 8th, 2008 3:44 pm ET
Obama shouldn't apologize… McCain is a warmonger who supported the Iraq war despite lack of any credible evidence that Saddam was a threat. And now he is singing "bomb bomb bomb Iran" for no reason… Last thing we need is another pointless war while OBL & Co roam around freely…
Honkey White Guy From Cali was a genuine breathe of fresh air as well. He seems to think John McCain shot Senator Rockefeller with a mind control ray to manufacture the entire controversy. You just had to know it was all Karl Rove’s doing!
April 8th, 2008 3:47 pm ET
ok! give me a break Mc Same! what did you hire carl rove over the weekend and some how CNN missed it. You have got to be kidding me there is tons I mean tons of conservative republicans on radio,TV, and the internet making all kinds of nasty comments about Obama. Some of those while he was there in present company! I think him not responding to Mc Cains obvious attempt to drag Obama back down in the gutter and away from his message and campaign very sad!!! Remember Hillary tried to do this to and she almost had him down there but he stood back up brushed off the pieces and went back to work on his campaign. Better watch out campaigns have a tendency to explode after you try something like this
The poster named Abu articulated what will become the CNN corporate mantra between now and next November. The only thing missing was the punctuating exclamation point.
April 8th, 2008 3:58 pm ET
McCain and his campaign can eat slugs
Rockefeller’s remarks themselves were stupid, hurtful and the product of a petty, doddering man. The philosophy behind them reeks of hatred and a lack of basic civil decency. Like Senator Jon Carey, these sentiments are typical of how the leading liberal politicians feel about American soldiers. This is a critical distinction.
These people don’t just object to how the current presidential administration uses the military, they specifically object to the soldiers, sailors, marines and aviators who serve therein. They find the decision to serve in the United States Armed forces to be morally objectionable. This, quite bluntly, makes American liberals despicable human beings.
Yes, some will object that Senator’s Rockefeller and Kerry do not comprise a majority of the Democratic Party and that the others really are “different”. My only question would be “how so?” The Democratic Party draws the vast majority of its ideological support from the likes of “Liquidman” over at Kos, who offered us his classic Killitary post that posited the axiom that military training bred generations of psychotic killers. (N.B: I had to link LGF on that post because Kos ran from that one as fast as Senator Kerry ran from his vote in favor of the Iraq War prior to election 2004.)
Even the liberals who wear their veteran status on their chest like a Red Badge of Courage, and call others Chicken hawks for offering a dissenting view from them on the current Iraq War, offer us the following commentary when contract security guards get killed in Fallujah, set on fire and hung from a bridge. Here is America’s most honest liberal, Markos Maulitsas Zuniga. The only man with the guts to state what the average American liberal really feels.
Let the people see what war is like. This isn't an Xbox game. There are real repercussions to Bush's folly.
That said, I feel nothing over the death of merceneries. They aren't in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.
So when some pathetic liberal politician says that he supports the troops, but not the mission, the answer is simple. Tell him the following.
“Be honest, Sir(or Ma'am). You support neither. Like your party’s most recent President, you loathe the military. Do not waste anyone’s time with your false and pretentious claims to the contrary.”
I read the garbage that perfumed princes such as Jay Rockefeller produce and I find myself trying really hard to still consider liberals better than pseudo-sapient devolutions of the human species. How a man who has spent his entire life farting through silk and eating off of silver can possibly accuse Senator McCain of being a push-button killer befuddles me. Rockefeller and those who vociferously support his contentions don’t measure up to any objective standard of class and decency. At best, they are Full Metal Jackasses.
Cross-Posted at:THE MINORITY REPORT
Correction: That should have been Croesus.
"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.
who instilled in him that instinctive feel for Middle America:
True to family tradition, Rockefeller roughs it on the family ranch in dirt poor Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
(Note- the Wiki bio notes that Bill Clinton was a guest at the ranch. Priceless!)
"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.
I didn't think he could convince the girls to let him on that show...
"Guns don't kill people...
"...But they sure help!"
-Paul Giamatti, Shoot 'Em Up
I think his ancestors would have been appalled by Jay's comments. John D Rockefeller Sr. was a great man who built a business empire and gave a fortune to philanthropic causes...Jay is just a trust-fund baby.
But maybe it's me that's stupid.
Am I the only one who is unaware that we had laser-guided munitions in the 1960's?
Am I a moron when I ask if A-4 Skyhawks dropped munitions of ANY kind from 35000 ft?
Am I low-rent trashy when I ask who ties John Rockefeller's shoes for him, since that task is obviously WAY above his cranial capacity?
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
It's the system, man. The System! (Not that anyone with a last name of Rockefeller would be part of the system or anything...)
"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.
Am I the only one who is unaware that we had laser-guided munitions in the 1960's?
I had the same thought. I was like, what?
John Rockefelle is... well, off his rocker!
I mean, everybody ELSE knew about our advanced electronics apparently. And there my daddy was in 1966, driving a 1966 Impala, when he COULD have been driving a Lexus GS 430 with onboard GPS, iPod interface, and freakin SPINNERS.
I feel like a country bumpkin.
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
In 1966 we still had a '59!
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We were rich, but apparently not cutting edge. Just imagine if we had that GS 430, we'd been the toast of Reisel, TX.
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
"Am I the only one who is unaware that we had laser-guided munitions in the 1960's?"
"On 23 May 1968, the Wolf Pack [8th Tac Ftr Wing] made the first-ever combat drop of the Paveway laser-guided bomb. Later on 10 and 13 May 1972, the wing destroyed two “indestructible” Communist bridges—the Paul Doumer and Than Hoa Bridges—in North Vietnam using laser-guided bombs."
http://www.kunsan.af.mil/library/wolfpackheritage/thewarinsoutheastasia....
It doesn't make Rockefeller any less of a D-bag, but we did - in fact - have LGB's in the 1960s.
I'm not sure a Skyhawk with air-to-ground munitions could make it up to 35,000 feet and it certainly couldn't employ any weapon (of the day) accurately from that altitude.
The Skyhawk was a great little plane, though. It was the last aircraft (that I know of) purchased by DOD to arrive ahead of schedule, below budget, smaller (spec was: "fit on carrier elevator w/out folding wings"), lighter and with a greater range and payload than specified.
Government is best that governs least...
... but not in '67, which is when McCain was shot down.
If Christ is risen, nothing else matters; and if Christ is not risen, nothing else matters. — Jaroslav Pelikan
I'm trying to needle fellow Redstater's with trivia? Don't confuse me with facts!
"The Air Force’s first laser-guided bomb program was started in 1965, and the initial combat experiments with 750-pound (Mark-117), Paveway I LGBs were carried out during the spring of 1968 by F-4s from the 8th Tactical Fighter Wing (TFW)"
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/cc/watts.html
Also, the AAC had an azimuth-only guided bomb by the end of WWII. They were used (to great success) in knocking out bridges in SE Asia vs the Japanese.
Bridge over the River - BOOM!
Government is best that governs least...
That definitely surprises me, although like you say there's no way the Skyhawk from 35k feet coulda/woulda in 1967 (or ever) dropped munitions like that.
Great work, Trunk! It is for reasons like this that somewhere down the line I learned not to make extremely bold statements when I don't have exact facts in hand (although what I personally know about the A-4 I was willing to bank on).
So I hedge my bets with stuff like "am I the only one who didn't know...". And a good thing.
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
....McCain himself has unequivocally stated that he was a war criminal for participating in indiscriminate bombing.
- Publicus
"We have given you a republic if you can keep it."
You wouldn't happen to have a link to that exact quote would you?
"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.
who approves of torture than.
"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.
working on the Obama campaign?
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Let's just hurry up and ban you before your next trick: quoting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion against Sen. Lieberman.
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"If we want to take this party back, and I think we can someday, let’s get to work." – Barry Goldwater
The rest are war criminals, warmongers, draft dodgers [unless they're Bill Clinton],slippery, scheming reservists, and uneducated losers in that lottery of life. These insights and
nuances emit from those not mind numbed robots but rather the possessors a higher intelligence, self identified. Truly they believe that consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
Alan Colmes was furious last night that the Democrats patriotism was being questioned, prompted by Rockefeller's remark. Now that the Senator has apologized, or was guided to it by his staff, will Alan so much as doubt his righteous wrath ?
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
Sean Hannitty needs to gently remind Apoplectic Alan that Thomas Jefferson suppressed his qualms and selected Aaron Burr as a Veep.
"I believe we must adjourn this meeting to some other place." - The last recorded words of Adam Smith.
As a citizen of the great state of West Virginia, I can't wait until we can kick this carpetbagger to the curve. Too bad he has no real opposition to reelection this year.
you have had the clansman for ever, and he is at least as big an embarrassment.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
But at least we have Capito, and Byrd can't live too much longer.
A good part of the decade, actually, and true to form they tortured him nearly every day of it...that's kind of who we were bombing them in the first place. They had a habit of doing those things to the South Vietnamese people, whom we were helping. (Don't tell Donahue about Hue).
On another point, missiles are not dropped. Bombs are dropped. Missiles are projectiles.
People like Jay Rock are pukes who can't abide a man who has more machismo in his little finger than could fit in 10 million silver spoons.
"The most dangerous form in which oppression can overshadow a community is that of popular sway" -James Fenimore Cooper
From the "Killitary" article:
"In other words, if you give a soldier a supposedly legitimate reason to kill another human being, such as self-defense, it may be easier for the soldier to cope with the outcome of his actions."
Self-defense is a "supposedly" legitimate reason to kill? If it is not a legitimate reason to kill then she obviously believes there is no such thing as a legitimate reason to kill. How can someone have so little mental ability and rely so heavily on emotion that they cannot realize the consequences of this mentality would be that those who do belive there are legitimate reason to kill will dominate and rule? If we don't have heroes willing to kill Al Qaeda and their allies then we are at their mercy.
T"hat seems a bit simplistic, especially when soldiers are firing randomly at civilians because they believe everyone in Iraq is a "terrorist.""
If this were true there wouldn't be a person left in Iraq. This is literally the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
"Unfortunately, killing, whether justifable or not, is going to warp the killer's mind in some fashion, and probably to an unrecoverable point."
Then why was the 50s the most peaceful decade in the 20th century after millions of Americans killed in World War II? Why did crime increase 500% after the liberal revolution of the late 60s?
In 1961 there were 289,390 violent crimes. By 1992 there were 1,932,260 violent crimes. Thanks liberal values!
I forgot to mention. The murder rate doubled from 1964 to 1974. Since the start of the Second Gulf War, when our soldiers have been killing in Iraq and then coming home for time off between deployments the murder rate has skyrocketted from 5.7 per 100,000 people in 2003 to (are you ready for it?) 5.7 per 100,000 people in 2006.
There is absolutely no increase in violent crime or murder in the United States due to war.
"Then why was the 50s the most peaceful decade in the 20th century after millions of Americans killed in World War II?"
Because they had seen enough death and violence to last them a lifetime.
The killitary author was right about that part. Just didn't make the connection that sometimes that warping is a good thing...
"Guns don't kill people...
"...But they sure help!"
-Paul Giamatti, Shoot 'Em Up
Though I doubt that Rockefeller would even have the wit or wisdom to call out for Solon, seeing the light and recognizing his own faults as once told to him by a much wiser man, even while on his own funeral pyre.