Andrew Sullivan Falls For Prank Story
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Promoted from blogs. Never hurts to start the morning with a chuckle. - Moe Lane
Gosh. Where are those legions of editors and fact checkers when you need them?
Our own crazy conservative uncle Andrew Sullivan got snookered by a fake web site that reported the "news" that Fox was spinning off their hit TV series 24 into a Saturday morning children's cartoon that featured Jack Bauer as a young cub scout torturing other kids and "kicking Arab a[*]s."
Here's Andrew's post:
Ann Coulter: set your Tivo. Money quote:
"We spent a lot time doing research on this game," says Surnow. "Using a sponge, team members must take the water from a filled bucket and squeeze the water from the soaked sponge into an empty bucket. First team to fill the empty bucket wins." Surnow said he chose the Sponge Bucket Game because it provides opportunities for little Jack to interrogate the little Arabs.
"There's a great scene before the game starts where little Jack takes an Arab kid named Abdul and sticks his head in the water-filled bucket," says Surnow. "Jack keeps his head under the water until he drowns. The kid did not give Jack the answers he needed, and for the greater good of the Cub Scouts of America, Jack had to send a strong and clear message."
That's a strong "enhanced" message. Just like Mr Tenet says.
The irony in this piece regarding Tenet's "enhanced message" will probably save Mr. Sullivan total embarrassment as he will more than likely claim he knew it was a joke all along, that you can't fool him, he's Andrew Sullivan of Time Magazine The Atlantic!*
But my friend Taylor Marsh has no such excuse:
But one thing the show never tried to do is appeal to kids, children that is. However, considering Surnow also tried to wingnut the "Daily Show" by offering some lame spin off complete with Rush and Coulter as president and veep, I can't say I'm shocked that he'd also try to morph "24" for kids. But the idea is creepy. One can only wonder what torture will look like in the new kids version. Abducting their dogs and holding them for ransom or maybe something worse? Mr. Surnow needs a long vacation.
I would think that Mr. Sullivan owes the lovely Ms. Marsh an apology. After all, if Time Magazine's Andrew Sullivan puts it on his blog, it must be true, no?
Except Dean Barnett saw through the gag immediately and also offers some thoughts on why Andrew can hardly claim that he knew he was having his leg pulled all along:
[I]n the sidebar of the piece Andrew links to are stories titled, “BASINGER RELEASES OWN LINE OF ANSWERING MACHINES,” “BEAN FARMERS BURNING HUGH GRANT IN EFFIGY,” and “CARSON DALY’S PAID AUDIENCE DEMANDS WAGE INCREASE.”
Did Andrew really not know this was a joke? Is it possible his intellect and sense of humor have been so thoroughly strangled by his oh-so righteous anger? Judging by his post which is completely irony and humor free, the only possible answer is yes. The alternative is that Andrew Sullivan is suddenly joking about torture. For some reason, that strikes me as unlikely.
I knew it was a gag reading "quotes" from series creator Joel Surnow in the story:
“Just because we’ll show Jack as a little kid, doesn’t mean he’s going to stop kicking the ass of all those Arabs he runs into,” says Surnow. “We’re getting our message across to adults that it takes a lot of torture to get the truth from these terrorists, and we believe that children need to see that as well because they’re growing up in an extremely dangerous world.”
I've read many articles quoting Surnow and seen him interviewed a dozen times and never, ever heard him talk like that. In fact, I would say that only someone already disposed to believe responsible conservatives like Surnow are perfectly capable of such obscene bigotry could possibly take something like that seriously.
For those who are already down on the right (Marsh is center left. Andrew is...well, Andrew) perhaps this kind of idiocy rings true because they are eager to suspend belief and think the worst of conservatives. This is a mindset that is able to color and spin what conservatives say and twist context and meaning until what emerges as "analysis" bears little resemblance to the original intent of the speaker. Lambchop is an expert at this kind of context assassination. Using a combination of laughably amateurish armchair psychology and a dead serious manipulation of the English language, commentators on the left routinely attack the right in this dishonest manner.
For Mr. Sullivan and his army of fact checkers and editors, however, another explanation might be in order.
Is Andrew really that stupid?
[*I've made the correction that Rick noted below: there were technical issues involved. I'll also note myself that neither Sullivan nor Marsh seems to have noticed their oopsie yet. Well, the day is young. - Moe Lane]
You nailed it here, Rick:
perhaps this kind of idiocy rings true because they are eager to suspend belief and think the worst of conservatives. This is a mindset that is able to color and spin what conservatives say and twist context and meaning until what emerges as "analysis" bears little resemblance to the original intent of the speaker. Lambchop is an expert at this kind of context assassination. Using a combination of laughably amateurish armchair psychology and a dead serious manipulation of the English language, commentators on the left routinely attack the right in this dishonest manner.
Recommended.
faulting and slamming conservatives, in the great mold of Kevin Phillips,[now out of the closet] and David Gergen. In other words, a useful idiot.
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
He's now a Soros Groupie over at Media Mutterings.... Lots of termites infesting the woodwork.
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"Reverse Epiphany"?
So instead of coming to a realization, enlightenment even, he deliberately closed his eyes and his mind and went to a dark place where the light of truth can't reach him?
...Well, I guess it makes sense...
"It's a book about a man who doesn't know he's about to die, and then dies...
...But if the man does know he's going to die and dies anyway. Dies, dies willing, knowing he can stop it, then...
Well, isn't that the type of man you want to keep alive?"
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In my piece, I refer to Sully working for Time Magazine.
Of course, he now appears in The Atlantic.
Guess I could have used some of those fact checkers myself, eh?
If you do it, you'll lose the front-page status of the post in the process.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.
When Sullivan migrated from Time to Atlantic, no one noticed. This is similar to when he published an unintentionally hilarious book about how to save conservatism as he stumped for Democrats and worked to rebuild his liberal credentials. Sullivan flogged his ill-received tome relentlessly and it remains at one billion or so on Amazon. Nonetheless, you still can join a couple of dozen viewers as Sullivan gives a conservative perspective on any show hosted by the equally intellectually dishonest Chris Matthews.
means he is vulnerable to phony ideas and evidence.
Well, those sharks circling his life raft in The Atlantic probably do make him a bit trigger happy.
This isn't the first time that Andrew has prematurely pulled the trigger on something, only to find out that the reality wasn't exactly as he'd imagined.
Usually, he corrects himself.
Frankly, it could happen to just about anybody who is so bought in to their preconceived notions that anything which supports those notions just must be true and needs amplification to the unwashed masses.
Andrew has a hammer and he's always looking for any nail he can find...even if it isn't actually a nail.
Obviously, some wingnut photoshopped his post;)
is busy disgracing itself with the top 100 celebs in the world. Remember when people took that rag seriously? Gotta be decades now that it's been in the tank.
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When taunted by a Liberal in Parliament that he was going to die "on the gallows or of a vicious social disease," Disraeli replied "That depends on whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."
I think the last time I took Time seriously was when it published its "Machine of the Year" issue back in 1982. And only because I also subscribed to Byte and was wondering what people at Time were saying about computers...
Today, Cycle World and Popular Mechanics really are better magazines than Time. Better written, more informative, and actually more relevant to the world than Time, which is getting more and more anorexic every day, both in terms of page count and interesting content. It's like a celebrity pamphlet now. I'm actually beginning to judge doctor's offices by whether or not they have it sitting as reading material for waiting patients. I'd prefer either of the above, and especially The American Rifleman, but I realize that's an uphill battle in doctor's offices, even though it would probably be a good thing to do and would certainly lead to some interesting doctor/patient conversations.
I digress...
It's really ironic that Time looks to be going much the same way Omni did. At the beginning, Omni was a really groundbreaking magazine, I loved it, but Guccione let it slide into all kinds of silly stuff and people started jumping ship...if I wanted to read about extraterrestrials with all kinds of interesting pictures, I'd just buy Penthouse, after all....
What a hate filled screed directed at poor Andrew. Everybody is trying to get him. The entire writing staff at NRO takes cheap shots at him. Now you, and with the help of the moderators at Red State. And all the contributors will be whacking the mole too. Shame, shame.
I mean really, just because he's a one issue pony, everybody feels like they can go after him. I mean, geez, so the guy gets a couple things wrong. Every week. And in the best tradition of the NYT and Time, neglects to admit it or correct it. Wow. The Conservative side of life is so unfair.
And all just because you all oppose gay marriage.
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hey, I'm just the messenger -SW
You torture-loving, Cheney suck-upping, Krazy Christianist, Bush apologist and pro-life demogogue! It is my mission to expose the hateful bigotry and name-calling that is so characteristic of your ilk. That is why I have relaunched by blogging enterprise on The Atlantic, to bring my mainstream message to the typical American home, and thus expose you for the vile putresence that you are and purge the body politic of your cretinous being.
Once we have Mission Accomplished there, mainstream conservatism can carry the day and create a tolerant and generous Amerika. I mean America.
Hatefully yours,
AS
I haven't heard of this Sullivan fellow.
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be taking in to the shop for repairs....
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The CIA has better politicians than it has spies - Fred Thompson
A random walk through my head at Indiscriminate Tastes
No, the PC blinders did him in once more. What a maroon!
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a gross violation against the
natural course of your only life;"
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Andrew Sullivan Falls For Crank Story, Freudian slip?
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....I'm sorry, I think better of him than Taylor Marsh. She poses as a foreign policy expert when in fact, if you go to her blog, it's simply a recitation of the talking points. Not much there there, sort of like Oakland.
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