If Huckabee wins the GOP nomination, will RedStaters support him?
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I pray that Huckabee is NOT our nominee... But we're faced with the serious possibility that he just might snatch the GOP nomination out of nowhere.
Most Republican primary voters aren't familiar with his leftish views on economics, immigration, and terrorism. They only know that he's pro-life and Christian; little else matters. We RedStaters follow things more closely.
That said, will RedStaters -- and by this I mean all knowledgeable conservatives from around the country who understand Huck's record -- rally around him?
If we're faced with the prospect of a Pres. Huckabee, as opposed to a President Hussein or Pres. Hillary, will we vote for Huckabee, or a third party? Send him money? Volunteer for him? Stay home on election day?
The one thing that would win me over is if he makes a pledge on JUDGES. If he promises to nominate -- and fight for -- Alitos, then I'll reluctantly support him.
Otherwise, I may hold my nose and vote for him, but do nothing to contribute my energies.
So apparently you liked the results of 2006.
Please - switch parties.
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If this party is going to nominate the likes of Huckabee I will will not any longer support it. I gave my "for the good of the party" vote in the past. Not again!
and Hillary is the Dem Nominee, I might have to seriously consider going third party.
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Many argue that by staying home or voting for someone other than the party nominee (I would probably write in John Bolton), we are handing the election to the dems. That's okay by me. The worst outcome is having Huckabee be the face of conservatism for four or eight years since, well, he is not conservative. Also, Huckabee's cartesque foreign policy stance - use the golden rule - is another very good reason to simply hit the pass button.
Huckabee, while 5th on my list, is far better than any other Dem or Bloomberg.
Anyone who doesn't is for letting Hillary Clinton occupy the White House and keep SCOTUS right where it is now.
if he wins, do we support?..no other factors count?..
Sorry SD..pretty lame question...Me personally,I'mnot happy with some of the things about Huck, but he is one of us. IMO
And he's getting hit hard....like no others are...and I think that is good.
I think the is a lot of time left, for everyone in the race....I'll wait and see.
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Yes, I'd vote for him. Although it'd be hard to figure out who would be worse: Ron Paul, Mike Huckabee, or John McCain. Actually among those other two, McCain doesn't look that bad.
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....although I shudder to think how he would redefine the Republican party. The suburbs of Chicago, DC, Kansas City, NYC, etc etc, which had been a Republican stronghold for decades would probably lurch Dem. The GOP would likely turn into a fiscally moderate, economically populist, and socon party that would have little viability outside the deep south.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
To me, a Huckabee nomination will mean that all we have left under the GOP tent is the social conservative movement. And that is a prescription for long-term disaster.
That said, the conduct of the GOP Congress and the President from 00-06 did serious damage to the idea of the GOP as the fiscal conservative party anyway, so maybe we're screwed no matter what.
But I definitely look at a third party before voting for Huckabee.
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...and stay home instead election day (btw, I'm one of those political junkie geeks who IS voting for Huck), there are 10 churchgoing nonpolitically activist types, and 5 working-class Reagan-Democrat types, and 5 independent Perot-Buchanan-type voters who will vote for him that would have otherwise stayed home of voted DEM for this candidate who is most likable, the best communicator, and whose rhetoric (despite very conservative positions) knows how to win crossover votes (see Arkansas where in '92 he won over 48% of the African American vote).
Too bad you ficons are going to be miserable for a year or so until you realize that despite his abstract rhetoric (and true concern) for the poor and "Main Street" rather than CEOs and the rich, he will end up being the most effective President for ficons, for conservative tax reform, and for not moving to the left once in office, and therefore the best friend ficons have ever have in a President.
But running like Steve Forbes is not how you win elections in the first place, nor how you win over the public needed to get behind your leadership to make true needed conservative changes.
....and will work to roll back the size and scope of government? What about free trade?
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
that worked to roll back the size and scope of government? Andrew Jackson?
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all on its own.
If you think that Rudy or Fred or Mitt will be curtailing Federal spending you are naive.
There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why ... I dream of things that never were and ask why not. - Robert Kennedy
You can have a massive socialist government that is revenue neutral. I'm not talking about spending or deficits. I'm talking about the size and scope of the federal government in our lives. I'm talking about NCLB, the federalization of education & health care, SCHIP, etc.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
He might raise social spending, he might not. I suspect that he will be generally responsive to the general will of the people on such matters.
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He's going to pick up TWENTY votes for every one he loses? Twenty??? Sorry, I don't buy it. I guess you aren't as good as the Huckster at selling snake oil.
"For every RedState geek who won't vote for Huck", there's probably one or MAYBE two "churchgoing nonpolitically (sic) activist types" (the "Evangelical First!" contingent is not as large as you believe), and the rest (prolly 80% or so) are everyday voters who vote based on the ad they saw on TV the night before.
(In 2004, about 23% of the electorate identified themselves as "Evangelical". I suspect only a portion of those are "Evangelical First!" types. Source: http://people-press.org/commentary/display.php3?AnalysisID=103)
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Then we could hold our heads up when we vote... otherwise I might do the blindfold thing!
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Because he's better than Hillary on the Social issues, but as for spending, well he's gonna be another Compassionate Conservative, and I've said it before, Karl Rove is right about Republicans. We care about lower taxes and judges and that's about it. So, if Huck doesn't raise taxes and fights to make Pres. Bush's tax cuts perminent, I guess no one will really complain that we're spending ourselves into the abyss.
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I hope we don't run huckabee. If he loses, the excuse will be that we lost because he was social conservative, not because none could stomach his view on illegal immigration, spending, and on being a "commpaaaassionate conservative".
That may be why we ought to run Giuliani. When he gets crushed in the general election, it will be easier to understand the message.
Can I support Huckabee? No. I am no longer willing to compromise the country on the issue of illegal immigration by Mexican nationals. Along with abortion, here are the two areas I will no longer compromise. At some point, you say no more. That point has been reached.
Sure, the MSM would spin the reasons but the moss-covered party hacks would know Huckabee went down for the very reasons you cited, Bob. I frankly don't want to see the party shattered because of the excesses of Bush and Rove, which a Huckabee loss would represent.
I've written all along that the MSM has pushed Huckabee and Paul for the very same reasons: these are the only two candidates who would guarantee a Democratic victory. Although you might be right about Guiliani, I think the Dems are very, very afraid of him even after all the personal life trash that has emerged.
HECK NO!!!! Never. Ever.
His fiscal record is bad. I don't think he will appeal to swing voters. He may drive some fiscal conservatives out of the party. His general demeanor is too close to President Bush. On the other hand, his official stand on most issues is fairly conservative. He is definitely better than any of the Democratic candidates. We could do worse. For me, personally, he is tied for second to last place with Rudy on my preferences for the Republican primary. I would not hesitate to vote for him in the general election.
Well, it is funny to see so many who wouldn't vote for Tax Hike Mike - ironic since so many SoCons took flack for saying they could not support NARAL Rudy's new-look Party. Hillary as the "worst, most Socialist President ever" Democrat doesn't ring quite so scary when Huckabee is in charge of the GOP, does it? Now you finally get a whiff of what SoCons facing a Rudy/Hillary ticket feel like.
The really fun part to watch is when Huckabee backers make the same claims as Rudy backers - that they'll more than make up for losses in the GOP base with voters from the center and left - and with about the same legitimacy.
If I've learned anything from the Rudy backers, it that the solution for Huckabee is very simple: just pick Rudy for Veep. That'll appease all of the FisCons and bring all of the base together to beat Hillary. It's that easy. Oh, and promise to appoint "strict supply-siders" to your economic board.
Boy, as much as I dread the idea of Huckabee, it is funny to see all of the arguments turned back on the FisCons who've been pimping Rudy on the SoCons, despite their pleas and objections. Maybe Huckabee is right and God is behind this after all - just not in the way Mike says.
Or maybe the leeson is to not back a candidate that a decent chunk of the base finds unsupportable under any circumstance - but perhaps that's too much to ask. After all, the party must be cleansed........
If it keeps up neither will get any spot on the ticket. Thats what the primaries are for.
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Much as it would pain me I would probably vote for Hillary in the hopes that 4 years of her would cure this Republican problem with priorities.
I would work and vote for other Republicans to try to limit her damage.
...as in John Bolton. They had a poll up yesterday Who is your first, second, and third choices (there's a reason for this diary) and you left me twisting in the wind.
No. And if he's picked for VP, I won't vote for that pres. candidate either.
I don't want that man anywhere near the WH.
He should run for Senate. I believe Rs would be very happy to reach across the aisle and work with pro-life Senator Mike Huckabee (D-AR).
but I would support him if he were the Republican nominee against any of the prospective Dems.
In fact, I'd vote for even Romney if he were the nominee.
I'd support him. But if he wins both the primary and general, I'd bet $$ Newt will run against Huck in the primary in 2012 (hopefully the results will be different than Reagan's '76 primary challenge). Newt is the only viable candidate I see right now that combines social issues with a stellar record of fiscal conservatism. Newt could unite the party like none other, except perhaps Pence.
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Yes. Anybody that doesn't is a traitor not only to their party, but their country IMHO.
That said, he's the last of the big 5 on my list. He's also behind Hunter, although slightly ahead of Tancredo.
I won't vote for Ron Paul.
Other then that, I'll vote for anybody to keep someone as inexperienced and clueless as Obama, or as corrupt and self-interested as Clinton, out of office.
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No, I will not vote for this man. In fact, in a Hillary-Huckabee matchup, I just might vote for Hillary. At least then the opposition will be total.
Huckabee is a statist. He will pursue statist goals.
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NO !
I will not give up my conservative values just to elect a Republican. Party names mean nothing today.
This is like asking "If Mondale wins the nomination, will you Democrats support him?" The guy would get totally destroyed in the general. Lying about his record has worked great for him so far... but that isn't going to fly in the general.
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Probably stay home like 2006.
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