Obama caves under Palestinian pressure

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Earlier, Mark Kilmer noted that Hamas expressed displeasure at Barack Obama's speech to AIPAC. So what did Obama do? He caved to Hamas.

The Washington Post reported it as "Obama Backtracks on Jerusalem" and Reuters as "Facing criticism, Obama modifies Jerusalem stance". WaPo:

Facing criticism from Palestinians, Sen. Barack Obama acknowledged today that the status of Jerusalem will need to be negotiated in future peace talks, amending a statement earlier in the week that Jerusalem "must remain undivided."

So let's make this very clear. Under pressure from Palestinians and terrorists, Obama caves on perhaps Israel's most fundamental issue. Not a good sign for those meetings with Ahmadinejad.

Clearly, Obama is a man of principle.[/sarcasm]

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Blowing in the wind.
He IS a man of principle....The principle just keeps changing, depending on who he's talking to.

He keeps "modifying" his position statements every few days, if not sooner.

Or does he think that if he covers every possible permutation of position that he can use them to defuse criticism by picking one of them on any occasion to use for the moment?

Reminds me of that parody song on "broken token" ballads...

And Rightly So!

Obama has a very high opinion of himself. He thought he was making a proposal on Jerusalem to AIPAC that no one has ever tried before in the entire 60 year history of Israel.

Evidently he wasn't aware that the Palestine Authority and even the supposedly "neo-con" Bush Administration had already rejected the notion of Israel as non-negotiably undivided.

Obama can't just march onto the world stage after just 3 years as a Senator and expect to set the whole world on its heels. He and his supporters are unbelievably naive--and young. They're beginning to remind me of that reality show, "Kid Nation," in which 40 kids are given the job of running a town.

be voted President by jihadi sympathizers....but the real sad part is just like the black vote the jewish vote is locked up for the D....they both continue to vote for their own demise....blacks via abortions and the jews via the candidate most likely to be sitting in the Oval Office when they are attacked with nuclear weapons....really sad!

Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom from Religion

The whole
Farakhan/Wright/Pflegger/Achmachoo(gezhundheit) deal is not playing out well. The knife Hillary in the back deal isn't playing out with elderly Jewish women either.(They are in a real hard spot, its difficult having BDS for 8 years then having to go off hating the democrats)


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom from Religion

So why do they vote liberal?

-- A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Anyone care to change sides?
-- Can't feed 'em? Don't breed 'em.

Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom from Religion

For the same reason any successful black person who is not in the "ghetto fabulous" mold is a traitor to their race. There is no explanation and it's best to not try.

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abortion isn't their biggest issue.

Seriously. This isn't even so much as a political "gotcha" against Obama as it is his renounciation of established US policy for the last I-don't-know-how-many years. Barack Obama has gone further than any President in recent memory if he is now advocating a divided Jerusalem. In all fairness to Bill Clinton and even Jimmy Carter when they were President, with all their problems, I don't think they advocated a divided Jerusalem.

Please, seriously, correct me if I am wrong.

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I think that part of the deal Clinton negotiated with Barak and Arafat had East Jerusalem as the capital of a Palestinian state, but the deal fell through over the so called right of return. (that is, Arafat wouldn't accept a deal without it). Barak would've accepted a deal with E. Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital.

Not your fault: it's just that I've seen Obama's first name misspelled "Barak" enough times that it's apparently now in my head as an alternative spelling. You may want to start using "Ehud Barak" for the rest of this conversation.

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I coulda sworn that I had added that I meant Ehud Barak and not Obama...

The U.S. position has been that the status of Jerusalem is so sensitive that America won't push for ANY solution of its own, one way or the other. It's entirely up to the parties, Israel and the Palestinians, to solve it themselves.

Obama had said that Jerusalem "must remain undivided" [italics mine]. That's putting the imprimatur of the United States on the permanent indivisibility of Jerusalem. Even Bush did not go as far as that--we don't want to blow off the Palestine Authority if the alternative to them is HAMAS.

Obama just doesn't understand that in diplomacy, even a little ol' word like "must" carries great weight when a President (or Presidential candidate) says it. Every word carries meaning. When a President says something "must" happen, that is committing the world's only superpower to making it happen that way.

Other Administrations have consented to the idea that Jerusalem could also serve as a Palestinian capital but I don't believe any have okayed the idea of a "right to return." My understanding was that Obama was doing just that; that is, he was advocating a divided Jerusalem.

Now you're sayinh he was (also) advocating that Jerusalem "must remain undivided."

Forgive me but I am legitimately confused by Obama's cmments.

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is to study his 20-yr pew-parked butt. His position is "minister" louis's and wright's.

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and the Arabists in the State Dept have fought them all the way. Obama's retreat is typical State policy. I agree with George Will that we'll be better off when a US president moves the US embassy to Jerusalem and the Palestinians are disabused of the notion that they're going to get the US to force Israel to abandon its capital (and symbolically, its raison d'etre). The failure to move the embassy has prolonged rather than ameliorated this conflict.

busier than a cat covering 2 piles,correcting and debating his gaffes. Maybe he figures we'll get confused and then call us on it.

Who's really calling the shots for Obama? Because for such an empty suit he's been coming out smelling like a rose.At least in the press and the Democrat party.

So the DNC is reluctant to criticize him too much, especially since it looks like they're stuck with him for the election. As to the press, isn't the press mostly Democratic activists these days?

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This too shall pass.

On the subject of the press: I'm a producer for NBC Nightly Online -- Chuck Todd, NBC's Political Director, has been hosting regular politics Q&As over on Newsvine, and he's eager to hear more from folks on the other side of the aisle. He'll be online every Wednesday to answer questions from all sides... you can follow the most recent discussion here: http://chucktodd.newsvine.com/_news/2008/06/10/1560014-newsvine-qa-chuck-todd-on-us-politics-part-4

On the subject of the press: I'm a producer for NBC Nightly Online -- Chuck Todd, NBC's Political Director, has been hosting regular politics Q&As over on Newsvine, and he's eager to hear more from folks on the other side of the aisle. He'll be online every Wednesday to answer questions from all sides... you can follow the most recent discussion here: http://chucktodd.newsvine.com/_news/2008/06/10/1560014-newsvine-qa-chuck-todd-on-us-politics-part-4

As for "this too shall pass," sounds like Chuck agrees with you at least in part, that this too *could* pass:
"You'll recall while Reagan didn't bring in a GOP house, he did find a governing majority in the House (thanks to conservative Southern Dems) and flipped the senate so he had an electoral and governing mandate; and he transformed the GOP for 20 years... this is the same opportunity Obama has. If he doesn't try it now, he'll be doomed even if he gets into the White House because his majorities won't be big enough to withstand a 2010 onslaught." (taken from discussion linked to above).

(This is merely an effort to liven up the debate currently taking place - if I've broken protocol by posting this here, my apologies)

I remember his daily updates on C-SPAN's "Wahington Journal" when he was at Roll Call.

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Not only an empty suit. This guy is way past his "best if purchased by" date.

"Well, all I can say is those are not the Hamas guys I had come to know..."
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Which staffer gets fired for this?

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A couple of very articulate Republicans (is articulate still a racist term?) need to get together after Obama's next speech. It should take just a little pressure and "strategery" to get him to back down on one of his liberal talking points.
Before you know it we could have him backing the war, tax cuts and opening more drilling.
MelZ

In the last couple of days I swear I heard him state that it was going to be "complicated" getting out of Iraq. Bush warned both Obama and Hillary not to go too far on the "out of Iraq" promises.

This is the first hint that he may have been lying to the KosKids just like he does everyone else. Rush has always said that the dirty little secret is they will stay in Iraq.

I can see heads exploding on the left if that happens.

The KosKids are not going to get what they want, they are currently living in a movement/illusion but my fear is Obama (if elected) attempting to placate his base with a half baked pull back that will result in a loss of our gain and reconsolidation of AQ. And after being so close to stabilization

Kinda like we all learned when we were in a schoolyard fight...If you fight half heartedly you WILL lose.

Well, this guy just continues to try being everything to everyone all the time. Someone should figure up the average length of time it takes him to say something and then backtrack. And Maggie, I really like the saying "Busier than a cat trying to cover a pile on a marble floor."

Stand up, and let's acquit ourselves like men.

Caves, no, realized implications of carelessly spoken (though not necessarily insincere) words, yes. Had he not issued a clarification, the meetings w/Iran (though not necessarily Ahmadinejad, remember) would never have started in the first place. He did what he had to do to fix a mistake, and he did it quickly.

:pauses to catch breath:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Funniest comment all day.



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I want my fun before you meet your 72 virgin sheep.

--Yeah, he was VERY prudent in his choice of picking racist, America-hating churches. He picked the very best one around.
--He 'quickly fixed that mistake', yes, going there for 20 years. He quickly fixed his 'hanging around with sleazy people' mistake pretty quickly too, yes?
--didn't cave? No, the ObamaChrist never caves. He simply alters the space-time continuum to fix mistakes. Only nobody else but the Treason Media seems to be on the same space-time ride, because it sure looks to the rest of us like flip-flopping.

Hey, what else ya got?

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

I'll sum it up with this video.




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Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

I just finished cutting that out and emailing it to my friends and family.

on so many levels.
lol.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

I was totally unprepared for that. I've come back to this photo several times and it still makes me laugh, even on the 4th and 5th viewing!

It seems to be working as a campaign slogan for Barak...

And Rightly So!

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

StupidBarry?

"Carelessly spoken words" in a prepared speech. And if they are "not necessarily insincere", that means he really means Jerusalem ought to remain undivided, but realizes that he can't say that if he's going to please the Palestinians.

He's not running for President of Palestine.

Maybe he should be.

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Gone 2500 years, still not PC.

I think that it could turn a knife blade.

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Obama and the Obamites are surrounded by a shell of an alternate universe. I believe unicorns flock by the big candy mountain there.


"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

Heavy on the associations tonight, I see:

It's the [verboten place name reference] of love,
the candy [disparaged titular reference to behavior].

soli Deo gloria

Back when Bush 41 was playing political poker with Yeltsin and Gorbachev, Obama's supporters were playing Candyland.

http://www.hasbro.com/games/preschool-games/candyland/

Barak, how many times are you going to flip-flop on issues? It's not even funny anymore. I guess the new campaign symbol should be a weather vane in a swirling wind...

The moral of the story is this:

Suppose one day, YOU suddenly get a brainstorm: Suddenly you realize how you can bring peace to the Middle East, end all terrorism, and solve the world's problems. You can do it, yes you can! You are the one we've been waiting for!

But before you go off and run for President, please consider these alternative explanations:

1. You're dreaming.

2. You're delusional.

3. Someone else long ago already thought of the same idea you did, and found it didn't work.

McCain would look to have a decent shot at a good chunk of the Jewish vote this go around. I remember Charles Krauthammer saying awhile back that some of those he talked to expected Reaganesque numbers for Jewish GOP votes. And honestly, who can blame them? Their party has sold them out.

Jerusalem must remain undivided ... but maybe it really can be divided ... but just not with barbed wire and checkpoints ... but that's up to the Israelites and the Palestinians to decide ... but through my firm leadership and strong principles I will make it happen ... but I can blame George Bush for any failure anyway because he let it fester too long ... but ....

Seriously, see my comments above.

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While Bob Dylan thinks the answer is blowing in the wind,
the Iranians know they can blow Barak away with the slightest breeze.

I think Barak just blows.

America is electing a leader, not a feckless do-nothing pretending to be a do-gooder.

"How many roads can Barack walk down,
Before you call him a man?"

I think he is trying for all of them. Don't think he'll ever make it to the "man" part, though.

but I couldn't help but make a mental connection between Barack Obama the expert TelePrompTer reader and the Dylan video with the cue cards.

Somebody needs to put in a card saying, "57 states."

Awesome clip.

The free exchange of ideas inevitably yields both heat and light.

If there are any lingering questions about the Big O's qualifications to be POTUS, just ponder this - He rolled a 37, in shirt and tie, no less.

...you happened to be right. Democrats who can't fake being populists adequately tend to do badly in national elections. Personally, I think that Kerry should have gone full-bore snooty, thrown a bunch of televised dinner parties, and let his wife throw the contents of a champagne flute in the face of some grubby little boorish foreign strongman*. All things considered, it hardly would have hurt his electoral prospects.

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*As you might have guessed, I respect Senator Kerry's wife a bit more than I do Senator Kerry. God forbid that I ever get into a minor traffic accident with her, of course.

Moe, It's a funny topic, but I am completely serious. Barack Obama is a modern day Elmer Gantry, and we need to do everything in our power to make sure he never makes it to the White House.

Obama is just another Jimmy Carter. In 1977 Carter encouraged the Shah of Iran to free a few hundred political prisoners. U.S. society needs to remember what happened shortly thereafter. We are still paying the price of that move by Carter. Someone needs to produce a good political ad asking if anyone can tell the difference between Carter & Obama.

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That means having to vote for McCain. So the "sit this one out" or "vote thrid-party" crowd needs to suck it up.

Jindal in 2012!

Please thread your replies.

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I'm new to this.

Jindal in 2012!

...at the bottom of the post that you want to respond to and that should let you thread without any trouble.

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Obama is just another Jimmy Carter. In 1977 Carter encouraged the Shah of Iran to free a few hundred political prisoners. U.S.
Lol Wow. You believe our current tension with Iran is due to Carter encouraging the Shah to release political prisoners?
I guess people will believe anything.

<"Barak, how many times are you going to flip-flop on issues? It's not even funny anymore. I guess the new campaign symbol should be a weather vane in a swirling wind..."

I don't know but I'm still waiting for the first one.

Reading the actually article kind of brings a new light.
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0547673120080605
For example if you don't spew bs maybe you would of noticed this:
Asked if he opposed any division of Jerusalem, Obama said: "As a practical matter, it would be very difficult to execute. And I think that it is smart for us to -- to work through a system in which everybody has access to the extraordinary religious sites in Old Jerusalem but that Israel has a legitimate claim on that city."

"Well, obviously, it's going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues. [Said when asked if Palestine had any claim to the city]

Find an actually attacking point.

You believe our current tension with Iran is due to Carter encouraging the Shah to release political prisoners?

our current tension in Iran is because their president is a nutter who believes that if he kills enough jews, christians, americans and westerners, he'll bring the messiah to Earth.

our current tension in Iran is becauuse their president and religious leaders constantly rant about wanting to 'push Israel into the sea.'

our current tension in Iran is because they kidnap/arrest and execute homosexuals, women showing too much ankle, christians and jews.

Basically..... if Iran was one person, and they lived here in the United States, they'd have already been arrested and put in an institution.

However, those on the left, I guess like you, seem to prefer enabling such behavior.

Why would that be?

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Dependence is Slavery.

I guess that you hadn't considered the consequences of flunking.

Tsk, tsk.

Moe

PS: Oh, yes, we can't handle your truth to power, you made us shut you up, us horrible Republicans are so scared and doomed, we're so, sooooo bad...

:holding out hand:

That'll be $150, please. No checks.

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