Move over, Dick Durbin. Another Dem compares Bush to Hitler.

This was Rep. Keith Ellison, a Moslem speaking to a smattering of atheists

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Congressman Keith Ellison of Minnesota is a Democrat. His byline reads Democratic-Farmer-Labor, but that's what they call Democrats up there. Congressman Keith Ellison is a 21st century Dem in the mold of Senate Dem Whip Dick Durbin.

Says Ellison about September 11, 2001:

"It's almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that," Mr Ellison said. "After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it, and it put the leader [Hitler] of that country in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted."

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Ellison, a Moslem, gained some notoriety earlier this year by taking his oath of office with his hand on Thomas Jefferson's translation of the Koran; however, he uttered those words to five score or so members of the group Atheists for Human Rights.

That bizarre group reports on their web site:

Our public forum with Rep. Keith Ellison on July 8 was the best ever! For once we had a member of Congress publicly and forcefully not only defending state-church separation but being totally accepting of atheists. Yet, for some Christians -- and even atheists! -- who were not at the forum, it seems that, since Ellison is a Muslim, he has no business being a decent, patriotic American who supports state-church separation, and he must be lying.

I'm a Christian, and I have no problem whatsoever with Congressman Ellison addressing whatever. He is a Democratic politician, and they do these things.

From Minnesota's Star Tribune:

"You'll always find this Muslim standing up for your right to be atheists all you want," Ellison, the first Muslim to serve in Congress, said in a speech to more than 100 atheists at the Southdale Library in Edina. As Minnesota's first black member of the U.S. House ends his first six months in office, Ellison did not disappoint a crowd that seemed energized the more pointed he made his opinions.

Pointed?

On impeaching Cheney, which the Minneapolis DFLer supports: "[It is] beneath his dignity in order for him to answer any questions from the citizens of the United States. That is the very definition of totalitarianism, authoritarianism and dictatorship."

On calling the war in Iraq an "occupation": "It's not controversial to call it an occupation -- it is an occupation."

On commuting the prison sentence of Cheney aide Lewis Libby: "If Libby gets pardoned, then he should not have the cover of the Fifth Amendment. He's going to have to come clean and tell the truth. Now, he could get Gonzales-itis [referring to U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales], you know, with 71 lapses of memory within a two-hour period."

But the most appalling, of course, was the direct comparison of President Bush and Adolf Hitler.

In response, the Jewish Telegraphic Agency observes:

Adolf Hitler, then the German chancellor who was unable to obtain a Nazi majority through democratic means, used the Feb. 23 1933 burning of the Reichstag as a pretext to impose police powers. It is still unclear who was responsible for the fire.

Defending his comments to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Ellison said: "In the aftermath of a tragedy, space is opened up for governments to take action that they could not have achieved before that." He cited the Iraq war and parts of the Patriot Act, which granted the government greater arrest and surveillance powers after the Sept. 11 2001 terrorist attacks.

Ellison, the first Muslim ever to serve in Congress, earned the endorsement of top Jewish figures in Minnesota after he repudiated a brief mid-1990s association with the Nation of Islam, a militant black anti-Semitic group.

Senator Dick Durbin is no longer the only famed Nazi hunter amongst Democrats.

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I understand Ms. Pelosi's more leftist constituents may find the analogy appealing.

Powerline covered it then; Drudge just posted it today.

It's pretty telling that we're supposed to consider him a "moderate" Muslim, heck maybe even a "progressive" one.

I thought it worth a look, as it is an example of the hysteria/dementia flitting about in some minds. It's the "Bush's War" set invoked in the post about the Sun-Times of Chicago's editorial page.

I thought about writing something up too but a) never got around to it and b) figured someone else had probably done so and I'd just missed it.

If you want the whole story, this post is the one that reports the quotes AND ties everything together, from CAIR to Imam Abdul Alim Musa to Keith Ellison.

FYI- Musa thinks that bin Laden isn't responsible for 9/11 & that bin Laden is "misconstrued" in America.

his religion normally calls for a jihad against all nonbelievers or else be forcibly converted to Islam. Ellison isn't a practicing Muslim, he's contradicting himself, in the other words, better known as a hypocrite. That's what he is, a hypocrite, period.

The atheists are sure blind to the threat Islam is posing to the world, but go wild when a Christian invokes the name of God in public prayers or basing his decisions on Christian moral principles.

Other than that, it's not really surprising to me anyway.

Dan

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Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.

Whoa. Ellison may have been out of line or whatever at this event, but there's no reason to go out misstating one of the world's major religions. "his religion normally calls for a jihad against all nonbelievers"? Yes, obviously, there are Muslim fundamentalist wackos out there. But you'll also meet plenty of Muslims who have no belief whatsoever in jihad. In my own travels in predominantly Muslim countries i have never met a Muslim who supported jihad or event wanted shariah (Islamic law) in their country. I think you're really doing yourself a disservice if you misrepresent the entire religion instead of just targeting the wackos. It has nothing to do with being right or left to recognize that the religion is just as diverse as any other. Just because our first Muslim in office is a liberal doesn't mean there wouldn't be a Muslim who sides with us. Let's not mix up the issues here.

I don't know how I am misstating Islam's stated goal, which is to convert the whole world either by sword or choice. Now, I'll concede your point about the difference between the fundamentalist wackos and "normal" types (as if there is actually a such thing as a normal Muslim). But I was talking about the systematic theology of Islam, that it does advocate the conversion of the whole world to its tenets.

Now, I know there are plenty of liberal Muslims just as there are conservative types, nonetheless, it's difficult to see how one can water down Islamic teachings while professing to be a member of Islam. You can't deny Trinity and still be called a Christian, the doctrine of trinity is part of Christian theology and in the case of jihad, you also can't deny it is equally a major part of Islamic teachings as well.

Dan

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Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.

(maybe Savage - I don't recall)
Radical Muslim - wants to kill all non-Muslims
Moderate Muslim - only wants to kill all the Christians and Jews

I didn't realize my comment was out of hand on Redstate. I was attempting to show that I found it strange Ellison would show up and give a public speech at an atheist organization given his religion is not, for the lack of a better word, in favor of atheism. But other than that, I'll refrain from commenting on Islam in general...

Dan

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Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.

We are going to stop characterizing Islam as this or that. For our purposes, we know that some Islamic extremists want to see us all dead, the vast majority of Moslems in the United States want no such thing. Most Moslems, especially in the West, want to do the same types of jobs as you and I in order to feed their families, etc. In America, they want to be a part of America.

It is not for us to judge how that fits with this or that version of Islam. That's for the Imams. What we can do is to live with them and treat them as we would anyone else.

If you want to have a discussion of the nature of Islam, there are probably plenty of places on the Web for this. RedState.com is not one of them.

it will make the war that much harder to fight. OBL seems to cite the Koran a lot. I notice our side doesn't seem to engage our adversaries on Koranic turf.

Whether OBL is misusing the Koran or not, we need to understand the arguments if we are to respond. How else do we learn to distinguish our friends from our foes? This could very well be the key challenge to our efforts in Iraq and elsewhere.

I would also point out that this recent survey includes some startling numbers . . .

http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf

How do you propose we here understand his interpretation of the Koran and Sharia? I don't know that I can relate a single Hadith. You?

what Ellison believes, since that's how this came up. I suggest that this discussion go no further unless sombeody's got a basis for saying that this is Ellison's belief.

If it's not, the question of whether that makes him some sort of cafeteria Muslim is way off topic of this thread.

Violations of the site's policy on generalizing about Islam are much easier to avoid if you stick to commenting on stories and diaries that are actually about that topic.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

he's probably just as moderate as the "mainstream" group CAIR?

Seriously, it seems like you have to parse any Muslim statements carefully. For example, if some "moderate" Muslim says that it's wrong to kill innocents in the name of Islam, no one ever seems to follow that up by asking what his definitiong of "innocents" is.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

Maybe can't "relate" to any of it--but we can read, observe, and think.

Don't you think that it is interesting how one side of the debate seems to be based so theologically based while the other is not?

For example, AIFD is a great example of Muslims in the U.S. who love this country. http://www.aifdemocracy.org/. The group's founder is M. Zuhdi Jasser, M.D. and he is a true patriot. I subscribe to the AIFD e-newsletter, which is an excellent source of information. Dr. Jasser is a a true patriot. Review his website, and you won't find much about the Koran on his site. He doesn't engage radical Islamists using the Koran, he engages radical Islamists on Western principles of freedom, individual rights, etc.

On the other hand, read about public statements from Hamas, Fatah, OBL, and others. They always site the Koran.

There is a big difference between whether moderate Islam (1) is a viable theological point of view or whether (2)it merely represents someone being lukewarm in their adherence to what the Koran and Hadiths say. Similar say to cultural Catholics and non-religious reformed Jews.

There is evidence to suggest that (2) is more true than (1). This spells trouble in the future.

From the Pew survey:

In addition, the survey finds that younger Muslim
Americans – those under age 30 – are both much more
religiously observant and more accepting of Islamic extremism
than are older Muslim Americans. Younger Muslim Americans
report attending services at a mosque more frequently than do
older Muslims. And a greater percentage of younger Muslims in
the U.S. think of themselves first as Muslims, rather than
primarily as Americans (60% vs. 41% among Muslim
Americans ages 30 and older). Moreover, more than twice as
many Muslim Americans under age 30 as older Muslims believe
that suicide bombings can be often or sometimes justified in the defense of Islam (15% vs. 6%).

The Pew survey provides that younger Muslims in the U.S. are more likely to sanction suicide bombin, value being Muslims above Americans, and being generally reluctant to assimilate into American life.

Given the risks and challenges we face, we cannot afford to say Islam is off limits. If possible, we need to encourage a reform of Islam where the violent verses are re-interpretted.
Otherwise, at a minimum, we need to have some public discourse on what differences distinguish a moderate from an Islamist.

http://www.yoel.info/koranwarpassages.htm
Despite what many multicultural apologists might say, you will not find verses like this http://www.yoel.info/koranwarpassages.htm in the New Testament. There are differences between Christianity and Islam that go beyond purely ceremonial practices.

Mark, this issue IS about Islam. Keith Ellison's first claim to limelight was his insistence on being sworn in to the U.S. House with the Koran. And since then, 90% of his appearances, his trips abroad, his commentary...have been Islam motivated or centered. He's made it is mission. He's been open about it. He's invited the microscope because he fears no inspection.

So, in my view, you have tried to "Congressionalize" him with the portion of your article above that compares him to Dick Durbin. Other than the references to Hitler, their similarity ends.

I'm from Minnesota. I've seen this fool on the Minneapolis City Council. I watched as he studied under Louis Farrakhan. I noticed his ties to The Muslim Brotherhood. I watched his opponent in the Election to the House attack his ties to terroristic and extremist organizations and I heard the crickets chirping in Ellison's camp - because it was all true.

I've seen people on this site, on Redstate, which is an awesome site....I've seen politicians ripped apart...both Republs and Dems. And believe me, if this clown gets some sort of free pass because of his allegiance to a political ideology such as islam, well...that's setting an incredible precedent here.

Keith Ellison is an anti-Semite, he's going to be the most controversial elected official in the history of this Land. I know him, I've watched him. And believe me, I have had no problem questioning Harry Reid's patriotism over the past year and with Ellison the same is true. The difference is this. Keith Ellison's election was part of a grander scheme and Reid's was not. Some of us here in the State of Minnesota fear elected officials, Congressional members who vote on whether we go to war and protect this country, that have an attic filled with Farrakhan materials MORE than we fear someone driving a Mercedes into an airport filled with propane tanks.

I hope that every elected official in this Land is treated exactly the same when it comes to scrutinizing their agendas and their moral fiber - whether they are muslim, Jewish, Christian or Mormon. I've read posts here on Redstate calling John Murtha a traitor. This Representative deserves every minute under a hot spotlight. You will see soon enough, the danger from within. And to think you can separate what drives his agenda via some PC code, is a huge mistake.

game the Dhimmi-crats excel at. And what about Stalin & Mao, or does that comparison make Dhimmis uncomfortable given their leadership's social-engineering nanny-state predilections?

The hysteria & emo-laden Dreck of the left just exceeds itself in borderless frenzy again and again. The party of women and girlie-men keeps on keeping the pot boiling. Always something to go crazy about.
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Taunted by a Liberal in Parliament that he was going to die "on the gallows or of a vicious social disease," Disraeli replied "That depends on whether I embrace your principles or your mistress."

don't Americans still have that right after they've been pardoned?

lesterblog.blogspot.com

When they are convenient for lefties, according to lefties like Ellison.

Oh, I guess they really are.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Outrageous: a Muslim criticizing our President to atheists. What we need is a Christian King. For more, check out: http://king.george.bush.googlepages.com/home

Robert Miller

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I smell whale blubber.

And if you're not a Moby, this is certainly among the most unserious, unhelpful causes ever to be promoted here at RS. IMHO, of course.

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Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock.

he made it to 1:10.

Not bad, considering.

I'm not sure what his point was.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but why spell Muslim, Moslem?

Thanks!

but Republican members of the House should, one after another, read Ellison's comments into the record, condemn them, and call for his censure. Every Republican senator and representative should mention this in every interview on TV until reporters are forced to acknowledge the incident's existence. They should demand that Nancy condemn the remarks and call on the majority whip to discipline him.

Heck if Ellison doesn't believe there was a holocaust, then it's not like he's comparing Bush to someone who murdered millions of people, just to a warmongering invader of nations.

Hey, bonehead. If you are looking for modern-day Hitlers, you need look no farther than the Little Lord Fauntleroy currently running Iran into the ground and threatening to annihilate Israel.

George W Bush is the elected (and re-elected) head of state of the nation that you have sworn allegiance to. Although I have my thoughts about exactly what you were pledging allegiance to when you took your oath of office with your hand on a Koran.

It's war -- so when can we start shooting back at the enemy Democrats?

Maybe Durbin and Ellison ought to speak with some Holocaust survivors (oops, doubtful Ellison will....) to find out what they think about a comparison of Hitler and Bush. Any comparison of the sort is revolting. You can't possibly know history and make the kind of statements Durbin and Ellison have made. They are just haters, pure and simple.

What happened in the Holocaust -- both the generalities and the unthinkable details -- was a unique evil. The cold industry of the matter is chilling. To compare such atrocity to a politician you do not like is both childish and callous.

Representative Ellison thinks that this is what President has planned for America and he seems to think that 9-11 is being used to enable him to do so.

His soul is dead.

compared Daily Kos to the KKK and the Nazis and that it is "one of the worst examples of hatred that America has to offer" on his show. Do you agree that Bill O'Reilly is childish and callous? Is Bill's soul dead?

DKos IS hatred on a par with both of those hate groups. You ask, "Is Bill's soul dead?" No, but the collective DKos soul is!

You will never be taken seriously when you compare any group to the Nazis (the KKK is close second). You (and Bill) have crossed the Wingnut line.

myself, but only because the Nazis were specific and diagolical. Many of the folks who post in these various cesspools are confused and simply venting primitive angers.

But if Bill O'Reilly limited his comparison to rhetoric only, not including actions or psychology, then a case could be made that he was factually correct.

from a Nation of Islam member, my mind still reels from knowing this guy was elected and so the dumbing down of American politicians continues.

 
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