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I've always been baffled by those raving about Obama's eloquence, as I've never been wowed in the least once at any time I've heard him speak. his prose stylings have always struck me as transparently and awkwardly striving for grandeur and profundity and just as transparently and awkwardly falling short (as most such obvious attempts are wont to do). the surprising part to me is that Hillary could outpace even his low standard (although I suppose it doesn't surprise me that she could craft a good speech - or have one crafted - that she could outdeliver him, or much of anyone, is surprising).

I can't find the audio to it. I wanna hear her fake southern accent.

I didn't see the speeches as I didn't know they were on.

Here is a clip of Obama's speech...

http://dynamic.cnn.com/apps/tp/video/politics/2007/03/04/sot.selma.obama...

Some comments from his speech..

I'm here because somebody marched. I'm here because you all sacrificed for me. I stand on the shoulders of giants. I thank the Moses generation; but we've got to remember, now, that Joshua still had a job to do. As great as Moses was, despite all that he did, leading a people out of bondage, he didn't cross over the river to see the Promised Land. God told him your job is done. You'll see it. You'll be at the mountain top and you can see what I've promised. What I've promised to Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. You will see that I've fulfilled that promise but you won't go there.

We're going to leave it to the Joshua generation to make sure it happens. There are still battles that need to be fought; some rivers that need to be crossed. Like Moses, the task was passed on to those who might not have been as deserving, might not have been as courageous, find themselves in front of the risks that their parents and grandparents and great grandparents had taken. That doesn't mean that they don't still have a burden to shoulder, that they don't have some responsibilities. The previous generation, the Moses generation, pointed the way. They took us 90% of the way there. We still got that 10% in order to cross over to the other side. So the question, I guess, that I have today is what's called of us in this Joshua generation? What do we do in order to fulfill that legacy; to fulfill the obligations and the debt that we owe to those who allowed us to be here today?....

Much of what he has to say isn't going to be popular here. But I sure don't see how anyone can say he is a poor speaker and I can't imagine Hillary ever giving a better speech since I don't think I have ever seen her give a good speech.

There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why ... I dream of things that never were and ask why not. - Robert Kennedy

Obama showed he was an empty suit, a walking slogan, and Shillary had an unusual squeal tone in her speech that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

...just like the dems ko'ed dick riordan in the 2002 gubernatorial primary. they knew that riordan would give them problems in the general election and so they spent big $$ helping bill simon win the republican primary. simon (a moral conservative)of course got his ass kicked in the general election courtesy of democratic largess.

same trick here. the republicans know that obama will give them real problems in a general election. hillary, on the other hand, is an easy target with very high negatives

so... you got people on the right like abcarpenter and j fund trying to push the hillary campaign along.

the problem here is that the campaign in california worked for the dems because they contributed mainly on the anti-riordan side. here the right are trying to go positive on hilly. this may create a credibility problem for anyone who actually saw (or read) the full speeches. obama's thoughts were well thought out and well delivered. his analogies about the moses and joshua generations were an extremely effective tool to tie together past events along with a call to today's generation. this thread of the speech concurrently highlighting obama's religious scholarship (something you red staters ought to love). conversely, hillary's speech was shrill (as everyone attests to) and devoid of any sophisticated thinking. rather it was just string of platitudes. hilly has the ambition of her hubby, but she lacks the poise and humanity that were always present in bill's speeches.

i don't know if barack can win over hilly or gore, but i do know that whoever the dems send up will beat the republicans like red headed stepchild.

after w, you've got it coming.

His star really began to shine after his speech at the Democratic National Convention in 2006, but I was bored by it. I've never seen the appeal or why people are so impressed by him. He's a dreamer, always talking of hope for this and hope for that, I want a candidate of action someone who will get it done, not hope for it.

I watched both speeches, and I have to say that Hillary's was quite stirring, which shocked me b/c she is typically not a very good speaker. She still isn't, but the speech was really, really good. She was like a Tom Waits, horrible voice but great lyrics.

Something struck me though, I noticed at moments she sported a slight southern accent I've never heard from her. Is this the Yankees cap all over again?

"The interval between the decay of the old and the formation and establishment of the new constitutes a period of transition which must always necessarily be one of uncertainty, confusion, error, and wild and fierce fanaticism. ." --John C. Calhoun

Today it is giving Senator Obama the chance to run for president of the United States.

The chance to run for president. Not to actually, you know, be president. Or to be the nominee for that matter. Plenty of blacks have run for president. By this comment, Hillary!™ simply lumps Sen. Obama in with the likes of Jackson, Sharpton, and Braun, and a little of the bloom comes off the rose.

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Develop alternatives to existing policies and keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. Milton Friedman

but the problem is the genre is abysmal. Look a little closer at both and what do you get, the vague, generalized, upbeat, emotion laden, content empty & with no proposals, hot air emissions. Flatulence laid on heavy. Underlying all the excited gas blasts is the preposterous notion that an organizational monster like the federal government in the hands of people who make weasels look like the Easter Bunny will soothe your hemorrhoids,feed you your Gerbers change your plastic nipples, and tuck your lazy, irresponsible ass into bed every night. Minus the prayers.

But as long as your mind is in a jar over the fireplace it works.

"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville

The Democrats leading candidates will make the public choose what they feel most guilty about. Being white, or being male.