There is No Bill

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Multiple Senate sources tell RedState that there is no actual immigration bill.

Contrary to earlier reports originating with Senator Kennedy, no bill presently exists and probably won't until tomorrow at the earliest. The lawyers are still behind closed doors putting it together.

Most troubling, Senate sources tell RedState that the bill probably will not be online in its final form until *after* the Senate has voted on it.


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I don't understand how any congress critter can vote 'aye' on anything until it is in its final form. 231 years. We had a good run.

You’re a persistent cuss, pilgrim.
John Wayne to Jimmy Stewart in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

I don't understand how any person can criticize a bill until they actually know what is in it?

And some have even incredibly claimed it could be the end of the United States as we know it. All over a bill they have no idea what it does.

Why can't everyone just hold their horses and wait and see what they do?

Why can't everyone just hold their horses and wait and see what they do?

You saw that part about the bill not being shown to the public until AFTER the Senate votes on it, right?

the 1,000 page document was being distributed to senators this afternoon.

My two GOP senators announced, before even negotiations ended, that this bill wasn't amnesty. Talk about psychics. Yessirree. I will give them until tomorrow to admit what they did, otherwise I will name names. One is up for re-election next year, and given I expect a GOP bloodbath in 2008, he probably has nothing left to lose. Obviously both senators are liars, but heck, they only follow the Administration's lead on credibility matters.

Let me guess-> Corker and Alexander? Alexander being up for reelection next year..

Unless you know Eriks source, how do you know that?

And is crossing the berring straight ?

We are still a republic. Call your senators. I have allready emailed mine. Call your Representatives. Post how you are wearing sackcloth and ashes for the death of the republic.

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So the President is ready to sign a bill that doesn't even exist yet? Why doesn't this surprise me?

Taking the fight to the terrorists accomplishes nothing if you’re going to leave our borders open so Al Qaeda can waltz in and kill us with impunity.

We have to let our Senators know we expect them to secure the borders first and get their big business goodies only after they've served us.

I have no doubt your sources are correct even though the Senate and White House sponsors already have sent out talking points about the "bill". So they have undermined even their own supporters. I even feel sorry for Sen. Kyl, who went on national television to (justifiably) brag that he had eliminated chain migration, while at the same time Majority Leader Reid went to the Senate floor to announce that provision would be changed.

Keep up the good fight on all fronts--I no longer have the heart to do those type things, and good luck down in Macon.

I'll do my best!

is something I can get behind. Chambliss and Johnny I have already heard from me.

Romney or Fred.

Currently writing non-political stories over at first-cut-stories.blogspot.com

McConnell is no doubt snaking around in Kennedy's office helping to write this atrocious bill.

I loath Mitch McConnell, and we would have been much better off if Frist had agreed to run for another term. At least he opposed the Kennedy-McCain amnesty. McConnel is a puppet to McCain-Kennedy.

Maybe we are better off being annexed by Mexico. We seem to be well on our way to banana republicdom already.

"the bill probably will not be online in its final form until *after* the Senate has voted on it."

Well, of course. I mean, people might object if they could actually see it.

from the AP describing the bill:
They could come forward right away to claim a probationary card that would let them live and work legally in the U.S., but could not begin the path to permanent residency or citizenship until border security improvements and the high-tech worker identification program were completed.

Again:
They could come forward right away to claim a probationary card that would let them live and work legally in the U.S.

got it? Get your probationary card and you are here legally, and cannot be deported. But this isn't amnesty right?

Kill this thing. We can do it. I've already got calls and letters going out. Hopefully you do too.

There is no more liberal nation than the Netherlands. But even they have come to realize that in order to preserve their national survival they have got to control immigration. Our "leaders", in contrast, haven't got a clue!

And the Greatest Deliberative Body in the World has just decided that the people of this country can go pound salt.

One of the great dangers of a Republic is that you can have just this kind of thing happen. Now we're all going to have to adapt. Game over.

A WWW blog resource should organize a protest. My family will fly up and march.

We can't even get redstate to stop calling it an immigration bill and start calling it an amnesty bill in their posts, let alone stop senator Kennedy or senator McConnell.

So what are they going to be debating? This is making no sense whatsoever.

and make Mexico the 51st state in Los Estados Unidos de America?

and enough Congressmen to completely change the United States House of Representatives.

Our only chance for stability would be to take in Canada, too. Then we'd have--a North American Union. And here I didn't believe in that.

We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.

they're all due to become US citiznes shortly amyway, so if they stay home it would limit them to two Senators and however many Reps and EC votes, as opposed to their taking over every border state's representatives.

We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.

You mean the same national sovereign government that runs ramshod all over us? The same sovereign government that does enforcement work for the UN? The same sovereign nation with the president who wants to enact the LOST treaty? or the north american union?

Sovereignty is a useless concept since it's already gone anyway. I'll take the cheap roofing and yardwork.

what is "ramshod"?

what "enforcement work for the UN" are you referring to?

lots of people, like the US Navy, have been pushing LOST for a decade. What is your objection?

Actually he's part of the ZOG and therefore opposed to the North American Union.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

Says it all.

We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.

Because the plan is to make the 50 states México Del Norte.

would solve a lot of problems.

There are 300 million Americans and about 100 million Mexicans. I'm not very worried about us becoming Mexico del Norte

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

Call your Senator, ask them to vote for the alternate bill that is being promoted by immegration hardliners in the Senate.

Whoops...there isn't one. It's not like Republicans had at least 6 years in the majority or anything like that to put up an alternative.....Right?

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sums up all that is wrong with Red State. But that's a topic for another day.

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I think having SteveLA is great.

Can you answer me just 1 question. Do you think that a congress critter should be voting 'aye' on ANY bill that he has not read in its final form? My question does not require a pro-immigration or an anti-immigration point of view. My question simply asks for reasonable sanity and sobriety before you cast a vote.

You’re a persistent cuss, pilgrim.
John Wayne to Jimmy Stewart in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

No by SteveLA

pilgram

No I think the bill should be stalled a while to get the facts out on the table and perhaps get some more and better teeth in the gates that I have been hearing about in the program.

Like the certification that the border is sealed (better) must be measured by some real metric which is reported to Congress and the certification ratified by the Senate.

I think Reagan set it best, "Trust, but verify" especially on this critical issue.

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Fred...Fred...Fred..!

There must be a stall to get all of the facts out in the open. Just like the 'Bushlied' BS it really galls me when they take a vote, and then later try to whine that they were lied to. This is too important to rush to a vote first, and then uncover all of the facts AFTER the vote.

You’re a persistent cuss, pilgrim.
John Wayne to Jimmy Stewart in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

So there is no time to read it. So there is no time for the facts to get out. Like how much it will cost in Social Security, just or an example. They don't want people to read, reflect on or discuss it, or they'll find out how terrible it is. That facts are bad. That's why they're being hidden.

redstate=Mexistate

Of course any site that supports Mitch McConnell or señor Bush is vastly out of touch with the grassroots GOP.

Mitt Romney on todays bill...

“I strongly oppose today’s bill going through the Senate. It is the wrong approach. Any legislation that allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country indefinitely, as the new ‘Z-Visa’ does, is a form of amnesty. That is unfair to the millions of people who have applied to legally immigrate to the U.S.

“Today’s Senate agreement falls short of the actions needed to both solve our country’s illegal immigration problem and also strengthen our legal immigration system. Border security and a reliable employment verification system must be our first priority.”

At least one canidate has it right besides Tancredo and Hunter.

Ten weeks you've been here.
Nothing good has come from it.
Adios. Bonne Chance.

BLAM.

now if you can just figure out a way to keep him from voting, you'll be in business.

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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison

Mission: Purge this nation of its unwanted parasites.

Target: Capitol Hill.

This will be Bush's domestic version of Iraq.

El Presidente wants to finish of his mission to completely destroy the GOP.

Mission Accomplished!

I found this link to a Senate bill which is curiously dated MAY 9TH which purports to S.1348
Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (Placed on Calendar in Senate)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.1348:

As a prof. and researcher who teaches and studies admin and criminal law, ugh. This is one ugly bill. The additional Border Patrol agents and other enforcement means relies upon the ordinary appropriation process each year to be funded. Effectively, this means it probably won't get funded under paygo unless cuts come from elsewhere. This bill has "virtual enforcement" provisions that will match the "virtual fence" from the last Congress.

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[F]or by the fundamental law of Nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred...

-John Locke

Jeff and Leon,
Oops. Thanks for correcting me. This is probably a placeholder bill giving out the Dem's bargaining points in the Senate. However, it is useful to look at the co-sponsors of this bill, Sen. Kennedy, Menedez, Leahy, Salazar with the sponsor as Harry Reid. I believe from news reports that these were some of the Dems who were negotiating with Sen. Kyl et al.

Here is a copy of the e-mail I sent my Senators from Georgia. I challenge everyone of you to share your sentiments with yours.

Do not vote to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants. They are in the country illegally. They have broken the law. Please vote to enforce our country's laws and vote no to upcoming legislation that seeks to excuse illegal behavior.
Why is this even being considered anyway? Is nothing sacred anymore? Our Constitution, our laws, our Country?
We are a sovereign Nation. Let's act like it! Thank you.

Thank you for contacting me to share your thoughts about immigration reform. I appreciate knowing your thoughts on this important and emotional issue.

Our current immigration system is broken and needs reform. Any reform Congress enacts must meet our national security needs and our economic interests; it must also manage the number of people we admit into the U.S. to ensure American workers and families are not negatively impacted by our immigration system.

The recently announced bipartisan agreement on immigration reform is a step in the right direction toward reaching a final and comprehensive immigration bill. This legislation is a significant improvement over last year's bill, which I opposed, but this is not a perfect bill. For me to support any final bill, it must contain the following principles that are important to Georgians:

Strong border security before any new immigration programs go into effect in order to prevent future illegal immigration

An employer verification system that can provide employers certainty with respect to the status of potential employees

A meaningful temporary worker program that is truly temporary and does not provide a pathway to citizenship while allowing employers to fill jobs for which insufficient numbers of American can be found, such as agricultural jobs

No amnesty

Our nation's immigration problem has been in the making for many years and there is no easy fix. I have chosen to be proactive and engaged during the negotiations because my involvement is the right thing for Georgia and the right thing for America 's future. As the debate progresses, I will continue the fight to ensure that our nation is secure and our economy continues to thrive.

I heard Saxby Chambliss claim on NPR that the agriculture of Georgia would fail without a free-flowing supply of immigrant labor. That doesn't sound like somebody who REALLY means it when he says we need, "Strong border security before any new immigration programs go into effect in order to prevent future illegal immigration." The MOST important thing to him is that we don't hurt "our economic interests," and that means Georgia agriculture.

How about paying enough that Americans will do that work?

We've traded our National Sovereignty for cheap roofing and yardwork.

Thank you for contacting my office regarding the current debate on immigration reform in the United States Senate . I appreciate hearing from you and appreciate the opportunity to respond.

Illegal immigration is the most important domestic issue facing our country today. I have long been an advocate for two key principles: border security first and no special pathway to citizenship. T hese two core principles are non-negotiable . With that in mind, I am reserving judgment until we complete the debate , all amendments to the bill have been added and I see the finalized bill. I look forward to the coming debates, and as we continue to move forward in this process I will keep your thoughts in mind.

Thank you again for contacting me. Please visit my webpage at http://isakson.senate.gov for more information on the issues important to you and to sign up for my e-newsletter.

 
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