A *special* message for our loyal yKos readers.

...Come *on*. Half of you guys over there wish we had more traffic, just so we'd be worth hating more.

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Oops, did I just type that out?

Anyway, I just wanted to let all y'all know that I, for one, don't believe for a second that Senator Reid, Speaker Pelosi, and Representative Emanuel left your shindig early because of that unfortunate incident at the military panel (hi, Ezra! Hope you aren't feeling a sudden breeze) (and a big shout-out to Allahpundit). No, really. Nope, it wasn't because of that.

It wasn't because of an energy bill, either. No matter what they told you:

Senate passes Bush terrorism spy bill
By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Senate, in a high-stakes showdown over national security, voted late Friday to temporarily give President Bush expanded authority to eavesdrop on suspected foreign terrorists without court warrants.

The House, meanwhile, rejected a Democratic version of the bill.

Democratic leaders there were working on a plan to bring up the Senate-passed measure and vote on it Saturday in response to Bush's demand that Congress give him expanded powers before leaving for vacation this weekend.

Now, we know that it was all on very short notice, and we tried to work out some way to get your Congressional leaders back to your activity after they were done endorsing the President's will in this matter. Simply didn't work out that way; we promise to try better next time. Just don't schedule anything for February, 'kay?

Enjoy the rest of your convention!


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...the article says that Senate Democrats, wary of AGAG, were pacified when DNI Mike McConnell was added to the oversight process. I thought the intelligence community was distrusted even more than DOJ. Nice dash of added salt for the yKos people.

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Moe,

I's been a long time for me sense I was in uniform, but isn't there a point to be made for UCMJ prohibitions about political speech when in uniform?

The comments were a bit rude, and they killed the microphone so it's too hard to tell how rude, but I question why someone in uniform should engage in a political dialog, R or L.

I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire, just asking.

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None of the Above !

the panel members were there because of their military service credentials(most of them). Did not the moderator try to pull rank on the SGT.?

If the Sgt. was in uniform, that might have been a mistake. OTOH, it can only help for the liberal echo chamber to see that there ARE troops who support the mission. And how could the Sgt. have been making a political statement? Supporting the mission is his JOB.

Molon Labe!

It looked bad. Concur that the soldier should not have been in uniform, even if the UCMJ allowed it.

But, it's not nice to be rude to soldiers. His being in uniform was not a green light for Kossacks to be rude to him.

If the Kossack moderator couldn't figure out to handle the situation politely and respectfully, that's a lick on YearlyKos.

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)

I'm trying to watch the clip on the craptacular PajamasMedia viewer but I think I saw enough to say that if this soldier chooses to defy UCMJ and risk his neck to speak his peace it's way out of line for anyone to tell him to shut up. It's not a panelist's job to enforce regulations, and given the circumstances I wonder if Soltz was an active-duty officer if he was obligated to stop him. He's perhaps obligated to notify the chain of command or perhaps start an investigation after reading him his rights, etc. But I think it's not appropriate for him to shut down his speech. That implies that Soltz has tried and convicted this Sergeant of a crime, and that is definitely not his job.

Further, Soltz came off as exactly the type of officer (or person) I would not want to serve with or under. Very penile behavior. I wonder if Wesley Clark, who sat back and let this happened, counseled him. Probably not the way he wanted to get back in the public eye.

Consensus doesn't prove anything, in science or anywhere else, except in democracy, maybe. - Reid Bryson, speaking on Global Warming

tankertod

The Army soldier was in the wrong with being in uniform and making political statements, knew he was in the wrong and HE said so late in the video after being taken in the back room and threatened by the KoSites with a bad conduct discharge.

More interestingly, he was quite willing to take the hit for his transgression, which gets high marks in my book! He's willing to do the time for the crime given the higher calling as he sees it. Hard to argue with a man that is willing to go that far.

But, check the video out for yourself, and form your own views.

http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/08/soldier_censored_at_kos_conven.php

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None of the Above !

There is no way on this earth that the Kos Kinder Blitzen have any right whatsoever to threaten someone serving in the US Military with anything.

The Soldier knew he was in the wrong. It was just considerably more wrong for the Kossacks to threaten him.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

...practice practice in similar cases. The yKos people weren't worried about these regulations when they let the guy into a panel discussion; only when he started saying things that they didn't like.

Not that this was the main thrust of my post, anyway.

Moe

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

Moe sorry then, it was not an attempt at the dreaded "T" Jack city.

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I think that the larger point is that it isn't their job to enforce Army regulations. You can guarantee that if he would have been supportive he would have been allowed to speak.

But, I suppose the shoe isn't allowed to go on the other foot---at least at YearlyKos.

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)

Since when is giving an assessment of our military situation in Iraq, particularly with respect to 'the surge,' a POLITICAL statement?

Hooray!

Neil,

If it was not a political statement then what was it, a military report? Not to ping on this this enlisted(?) guy but what OPSEC briefs did he receive, what defensive intelligence counter measure briefing did he receive, what theater commander authorized him to speak for the command or the US Armed Service who's uniform he was wearing?

I'll stop there as I am starting to "T" jack this conversation again.

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None of the Above !

None of the above has to do with the regulation against politicking in uniform does it?

As for speaking for the command, did he ever claim to?

Now you're just reaching for an excuse to knock this guy.

Hooray!

As for speaking for the command, did he ever claim to?

Sorry Neil, yes he did, because, he was wearing the uniform. That's why there is a regulation against it.

"The only way to negotiate with your enemy, is with your knee on his chest and your knife at his throat." - Anon.

I'm not sure if asking a question at Yearly Kos counts as a public speech, but here's the regulation he violated for certain if he's in the Army.

Quoting AR670-1 (emphasis added):

j. Wearing Army uniforms is prohibited in the following situations:

(1) In connection with the furtherance of any political or commercial interests, or when engaged in off-duty civilian employment.

(2) When participating in public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies, or public demonstrations, except as authorized by competent authority.

(3) When attending any meeting or event that is a function of, or is sponsored by, an extremist organization.

(4) When wearing the uniform would bring discredit upon the Army.

(5) When specifically prohibited by Army regulations.

Hooray!

Neil,

When ever in Uniform, every word, every deed, every action you take reflects on your commanders, your service and your nation. At least that was what was taught to me in basic training.

Pretty simple standard, and it's why you almost never see an active duty or reserve member in uniform at any sort of political event. I'm not sure if you served in uniform, but most who have "get it", and it's not about knocking this guy, it's part of the honor and respect you show the institution of the United States Armed forces and the uniform of same.

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He is probably tired of watching his buddies fight an incredibly hard war, while the Kossacks and their Democratic Party/MSM enablers trash them and the cause they are fighting for. (Don't forget, this conference is named for "Screw 'em.")

Maybe this Soldier decided to make the Kossacks deal face-to-face with one of those who have to fight harder and bleed more to mitigate the damage the Kossacks do (but refuse to accept responsibility for).

Did he violate the rules? Yes. But, IMO, the Kossacks violate the "rules" too. They say what they want, when they want, and then proclaim that it's their right as Americans to do so. It is---but American citizenship also bears responsibility with it. And, one of those key responsibilities is to NOT make it harder for our troops overseas to do their jobs. The Kossacks are too self-absorbed to deal with that. So, maybe, this Soldier decided to pull their heads from the sand.

Why did the Kossack panel moderator want to know what unit the Soldier was in, and who his CO was? So the Kossacks could complain. Or, more likely, sic their Dem Congressional staff allies on the Soldier and his CO.

I say, give the Soldier a verbal counseling and leave it at that. If the Kossacks or Dem Party complain, the Army should say "Fine. We'll formally punish him...once YOU stop acting as a propagada Ammunition Supply Point for the jihadhis!"

And, I'll close with this: if this Soldier gets a stronger punishment that PVT Beauchamp, shame on the United States Army.

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)

Soldiers are allowed to exercise their rights as Americans to protest or speak publicly on political issues. It is, though, discouraged, discreetly. Some baseless historical hang-up the public has about military involvement in politics, takeovers, juntas, and coups is how I understood it(snark).

However, you are prohibited from doing this while in uniform, because it implies that your statements or participation reflect the views of the service. Civies; "Rather you didn't, but O.K." Uniform; "HELL NO, what were you thinking, get your butt in my office, now!!

"The only way to negotiate with your enemy, is with your knee on his chest and your knife at his throat." - Anon.

despite DOD reg 1334.01:
3.1. The wearing of the uniform by members of the Armed Forces (including retired members and members of Reserve components) is prohibited under any of the following circumstances:

3.1.2. During or in connection with furthering political activities, private employment or commercial interests, when an inference of official sponsorship for the activity or interest may be drawn.
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BTW I knew old Joe when he was an O-6, big temper and used to abuse his troops - which eventually bit him. He was relieved of command by the CNO and retired at a lower rank.
So now he's a Kos Kid Kongressman..
His issue was campaigning (handing out material etc) at parades while wearing his uniform.. and he continued to wear his 3-Star rank despite retiring as a 2-Star.
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison

There's still time to surveil Yearly Kos!

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

Only the New York Times is allowed to give away state secrets and divulge classified intelligence programs.

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“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so.” – Ronald Reagan

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Thou art the Great Cat, the avenger of the Gods, and the judge of words...-Inscription on the Royal Tombs at Thebes

Makes it a little hard to impeach on that issue too.

that the Dems now have their muddy hands much tighter on a crucial intelligence process. The FISA court wasn't doing a sufficient job of hamstringing the program, even with the "spying on Americans" bit, I suppose the aborted attack on Ft Dix and other activities of "Americans" was lost on their elevated jurisprudence.

The fools who comprise, if you'll forgive the expression, the loyal opposition, may not have concentrated, to the extent they can, on this legislation. Important matters like endless investigations, minimum wages, welfare for potential and deserved deportee's, and other substantial matters of State, might have impinged on their abilities to foul things up and increase the chances of deadly risks and attacks.

They now have six months to listen to their aides and plot out a path more amenable to death and destruction. I assume in this that Nancy Pelosi will step away from her fifty lb. make-up kit and mirror long enough to see this experiment in micro-management by people not fit for jobs as street sweepers.

Temporarily the Kos crowd will have to suspend their unrealized suicidal urges. But their is always hope for them.

"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville

It's going to be a beautiful weekend in the City, and I have to force myself into exile. It might not be bad, but why take the chance?...With Lollapalooza, and the Kos Kids in town,it's just not worth it. Between the grunge, and the lefty scum, best to stay in the burbs.

I can't remember the last time Chicago had so much scum on the streets?... '68?

" in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."
Abe Lincoln

and head for the beaches in Michigan...


...when they see me they'll say, "There goes Loren Wallace,
the greatest thing to ever climb into a race car."

A never to be realized dream.
In the Red Nation, along with sensible tax rates, prudent deregulation, and castrated teachers unions, an energetic and comprehensive NSA surveillance program, stout protection of the borders, and a resolute, not to be maligned Army.

The Army might not have the same manpower but there's not much that can't be solved by 15,000lb. daisy cutters.
Sorry about that collateral damage folks. But then enlistments from contrite, or terrified Blue Staters would be accepted. Forgiveness would be granted these former mental cases pending a two year combat tour in Iraq.
Anybody caught sneaking into Red State America bearing copies of "It Takes A Village" or The Audacity of Hope" would be whipped back into the hell they've created for themselves.

In spite of the anticipated supplications of liberals for dialogue, the insurgents, as these homicidal maniacs are called, would recognize easy pickens when they see them.
I would expect that Blue State America, if they're not busy clawing at and killing each other, would shortly become a testing ground and firing range for the more zealous members of this misunderstood religion.

Unfortunate, all the high taxes, the banning of lawn mowers, the 3 h.p. motor scooters, the Clinton Library, the lush S & M parlors, all gone.

But as Stephen Crane said in one of his poems just before the people who created something were crushed by it, " some had opportunity to squeal".

"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville

He stuck up for YearlyKos. At least, that's how the American Prospect's Ezra Klein reported it.

Emphasis added

Wes Clark took the mic and tried to explain what had just occurred: The argument appears to be that you’re not allowed to participate in politics while wearing a uniform, or at least that you shouldn’t, and that the questioner was engaging in a sort of moral blackmail, not to mention a violation of the rules, by doing so.

Knowing fairly little about the army, I can't speak to any of that. But it was an uncomfortable few moments, and seemed fairly contrary to the spirit of the panel to roar down the member of the military who tried to speak with a contrary voice.

If General Clark then went backstage and conducted some wall-to-wall counseling on the jerk who was rude to the Soldier---a Soldier from General Clark's own Army, no less---the media has so far been silent on it. (The media makes no mention of General Clark sticking up for the Soldier at the time the Kossacks jumped on him, so I think it's safe to presume THAT didn't happen).

(It would be interesting to know if Clark actually accused the Soldier of attempted "moral blackmail," or whether that was simply Klein adding spice to his writing.)

I wonder what West Point thinks of their boy Wes Clark now.

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)

Any suggestion to the contrary is met with fury, as is questions directed at their patriotism, real or more usually, imagined.

A guilty conscience screams the loudest, and lies will out.

"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville

Apparently, Senator Dick Durbin couldn't make it back for the yKos festivities in Chicago but he sent a videotape that includes this quote:

" "I wish I could be with you," he said. "You're really changing the Democratic party and you're changing America for the better. "

So, Senator Dick Durbin thinks that the folks at Kos are changing America for the better....?????

I know I sure can't wait to have Senator Durbin back here posting away on Redstate.

Here's some of the garbage posts that Sen Durbin thinks "are changing America for the better"

Article

"Don't take my word for it. Ask Eyal Rosenberg who resigned as a diarist for the DailyKos on May 9 after in his words "all the Israel Hate spewing out of one too many diaries around here." As he wrote in his last post: "with this last post: Reading these past months on dkos has led me to believe that people here, under the 'progressive' banner, support views that end up in one place: Me dead."

Mr. Rosenberg is not the only one they want to kill. Recently, a DailyKos diarist suggested "gassing Joe Lieberman like a dog." This exchange followed:

"I know you didn't mean it that way, but a reference to gassing a Jew needs to be hidden.

"I hope you will join me in asking that this comment be hidden and that there will not be a pile on. I will find some other comments of yours and uprate to make up for this."

Jew gassing is something to be hidden or uprated (whatever that means) but nothing to be ashamed of at the DailyKos.

Mr. Rosenberg notes, contradicting Clinton spinmeister Wolfson, that the anti-Semitic attacks are not "isolated." In his brief time as a diarist (several months), he counted 5,000 Israel or Jewish references in the DailyKos. That's about 23 posts on Jews or Israel a day, most negative."

I would love to see Sen Durbin explain to Sen Lieberman exactly how the above cited DailyKos filth makes America better. Would like to see any of the Pro
Durbin posters tell us how Sen Durbin can side with these people and be good for America.

Smart NCO's don't walk into Kosland looking for a fight. This guy did, apparently. However, it looked as if he was being shouted down and, of course, threatened by Stoltz with a UCMJ action.

"History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it"-Winston Churchill

was seeing how absolutely empty the room was. What were there - about 20-25 attendees?

 
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