Can We Call it a Dumb Comment and Move On?

A little bit of inside blogball for your Wednesday evening.

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Recently, for some reason that I can't begin to fathom, the blogosphere has found itself in quite a dither over some ridiculous comments that Ann Althouse made on her blog. We've had some rather... er... robust discussion about the comments amongst ourselves, but thus far, no one's really been motivated to write upon it. After seeing about 3,000 blog posts giving Althouse's flimsy explanation way more intellectual credit than it deserves, I've decided that it's time to weigh in.

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I'll begin this with a disclaimer of sorts: I never read Ann Althouse. I have a limited time to devote to blog reading, and Althouse has just never made the list. The only time I've ever even read a single one of her posts prior to this particular dustup was during the altercation with Jeff Goldstein and John Cole over the nefarious Pajamas Media* - an exchange in which she came out looking much the worse for wear. So, it's possible that my entire perception of her has been unjustly colored. I'm willing to consider that as a distinct possibility. In any event, Althouse kicks the whole thing off with this:

Virtually every word out of my mouth was an observation about something no one was talking about and that would -- back in Madison, Wisconsin -- have been said at the earliest possible moment. So there I was, the resident liberal.

I am struck -- you may think it is absurd for me to be suddenly struck by this -- but I am struck by how deeply and seriously libertarians and conservatives believe in their ideas. I'm used to the way lefties and liberals take themselves seriously and how deeply they believe. Me, I find true believers strange and -- if they have power -- frightening. And my first reaction is to doubt that they really do truly believe.

One of the reasons 9/11 had such a big impact on me is that it was such a profound demonstration of the fact that these people are serious. They really believe.

I need to be more vigilant.

Now, rather obviously, the first thing that got everyone's dander up was the rather explicit comparison between passionate libertarians and conservatives and the 9/11 hijackers. Since that point, everyone seems to have basically accepted that Ann didn't really mean to make that comparison, and I think that frankly she's gotten off way too light on this. If that isn't what she meant to do, then what in the world could she possibly have meant by the fact that she finds true believers (by which she means, as she just explained, conservatives) "frightening" when they have power? And what to make of the fact that she follows up her "enlightenment" about conservatives with her "enlightenment" about the 9/11 hijackers? And above all, her sum reacion, after attending a conservative conference, is that she needs to "be more vigilant?"

I dunno, maybe I'm crazy, but I tend to think that when you follow up your description of passionate conservatives by, um, comparing them to the 9/11 hijackers, then you probably meant to compare them to the 9/11 hijackers. Frankly, if I had wanted to say that conservatives remind me of the 9/11 hijackers in about three not-too-subtle ways, it would have probably come out sounding a lot like Althouse's post. However, folks who have met her seem to be inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt on this point, so everyone has moved on to the second ludicrous assertion in in her post: that people who believe things are scary.

Jonah Goldberg's response to Althouse's post (Goldberg was at the conference in question) was almost saintly in its charity (Goldberg's observation that Madison, Wisconsin is not an "oasis of empiricism, realism and philosophical skepticism" was much nicer than anything I could have said, for sure). Subsequently, the two got together on BHTV and had it out. Apparently, Althouse's explanation for her "people who believe things are scary" screed was that the conservatives in question were lauding federalism without specifically denouncing slavery. This blogger has more.

Now, this has all been going on for the better part of two weeks now, so it seems to be received wisdom that this explanation is somehow plausible for the original blog post in question - but I challenge anyone to go back up to the first blog quote, read it again, and try convincing yourself that this is anything more than a post hoc rationalization for a very boorish post. What is especially bizarre to me is the extent to which the blogosphere feels the need to debate this post hoc rationalization, as though it were some sort of valid point. For instance, here's Ramesh and Ilya Somin, and Orin Kerr and Eugene Volokh, and, well... I could go on, but I won't. You get the picture.

Part of the reason that I think that Althouse's "argument" is a post hoc rationalization for her post is that it's so facially absurd that no person of average intelligence would actually allow themselves to be caught making it in public. Let us be serious - I mention the Constitution and my respect for it quite frequently; need I denounce slavery (which is explicitly contained therein) every time I do so? May I comment upon the warmth and comfort of my cotton boxers safely in Ann's presence, or will the cosmopolitan cynics from Madison think me a neanderthal for not first denouncing slavery, upon which the cotton industry was built? This is not a genuine reaction of people in Madison, Wisconsin (or anywhere else, for that matter), that any discussion of federalism which is not preceded with ritual denunciations of slavery is indicative of people who are - to bring this back to the original point that Althouse made - to be watched with the vigiliance required for potential terrorists.

And this is what I want to bring it back to. Ann's had many posts on the subject since then. You can read them here or here or here , if you want a taste. What everyone seems to be losing sight of is that the original post had nothing to do with this, and there's not a darn thing that racism or Jim Crow have to do with the assertion that people who believe things are scary. Like the 9/11 hijackers. In responding to Virginia Postrel, who sought to address the real point of Ann's original post, Ann is forced to concede that the original point dealt not with states rights, racism, jim crow, federalism, or any other thing being currently discussed in connection with Ann Althouse right now - it was about her assertion that people who believe things are scary:

Is the Postrel paraphrase apt? It does omit the fact that I made a closer comparison between libertarians and conservatives on the one hand and lefties and liberals on the other. And, in context -- what terse context there is -- you can see that I'm talking about the ideologues and hardcore fundamentalists of either stripe.

I mean to say -- and it's there to be seen if you are a sympathetic reader -- that I instinctively think of my fellow human beings as sensible and practical. We have some ideas and principles but we also watch how things play out in the real world and are prepared to modify what with think and correct our course when things aren't going well. People who embrace an idea with a death grip scare me, and they should scare you too. Look at history. Look what happens when people believe so deeply they lose sight of where their ideas are taking them and go along with their ideas even if they require other people to suffer and die. I don't trust the true believers and ideologues. I find them strange when they don't seem to feel the pull of common sense and human empathy. I don't want them to have power. They can sit around thinking and talking or praying and brooding, but I don't want to see what they would do with the world. That said, obviously, most people who are attracted to religion or politics of the left and the right are ordinary practical, sensible people. I still think that. It will still surprise me to encounter anyone in a death embrace with an idea.

Note: that's not exactly a repudiation of the original post, apology for its content, or meaningful clarification. And this is what really chaps my backside about this kind of sanctimonious pragmatism that Althouse put on display: nothing displays vacuity of character to me like a person who will mock another - not for the particulars of their conviction - but for the fact that they have strong convictions. I suppose there are corners of society where nihilistic apathy is all the rage with the sophisticates, but color me less than impressed. I had quite a few things to say about this to the otherwise delightful Betsy Newmark during the Harriet Meirs fracas, and I won't recapitulate it all here. Suffice it to say that it beggars the imagination how one could bring themselves to think and write about politics as much as any political blogger does if strength of conviction is something to be vigilant for, rather than something to be applauded. I understand that people who think this way exist, but what I don't get is why we all have to use an incalculable amount of bandwidth pretending that all along they were making some sort of sophisticated point about modern societal understandings of federalism w/r/t slavery. And however Althouse might have been scared by the big, bad ideologues, comparing them (either explicitly or implicitly) to the 9/11 hijackers is completely beyond the pale. At this point, the only thing I'm interested in hearing out of this whole exchange is a post from Ann which says, very explicitly, "I'm sorry." Not, "I'm sorry all you boorish ideologues misunderstood what I actually said," either. Because if a person can't show the basic decency not to compare me (and I'm proud to call myself an ideologue, and someone who fervently believes in his causes) to the 9/11 hijackers, then I could care less what their views on federalism (or their post hoc rationalizations of their boorish comments) really are. Absent that basic level of decency, I'm afraid that we have nothing left to say to each other.

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Would it be indecent of me to say that I hope you are a conservative who believes in justice and freedom as passionately as the hijackers believed in hatred and murder?

I don't profess to know what Althouse meant or what the most reasonable reading of her comment is, but I just don't think comparisons should necessarily be taboo. Of course, some comparisons are deeply offensive. It all depends on what's being compared.

When the point of comparison is that they ought to be equally scary to ordinary people, I'd say it's pretty darn offensive. YMMV.

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(Or, in her case, Jane Big Tree)

Some bloggers apparently seem to think that they're sages. That their experience, wit and desire to express their thoughts on the Internet give them an elevated position in life. A position from which they feel entitled to preach to the rest of us.

Sorry, but every blogger (and every person) is responsible for the words they choose to use, and the manner in which they choose to use them. Leon is spot on. I read Althouse's post above, and I felt that she'd (a) just compared conservatives to the 9/11 attackers, and (b) was indicating that she needed to be more vigilant against conservatives.

Any assertion that I've not read Althouse's post properly, or given it the proper level of thought, is a bit arrogant. What makes Ann Althouse so special that I need to give her words special handling? Special consideration? Sorry Ann. ALL of us are judged in life by the things we do, the words we use, and the way we treat other people. Even law professors.

I agree with Leon.

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)

is the assumption that believing in something too intently is by definition, an act of evil.

2006 is done, 2008 is another day and another fight

I guess I should have noted your caution sign.

in something so fervently that you will do anything civilized to get your message across than believing in something so strongly that you will kill, maim, and destroy all that do not drink your Islamo-fanatic kool-aid.

The last time I looked, there was not a Redstate or Conservative lynching party gathering to "set things right" with the Kos Kids... although a spanking might be in order.
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Thou art the Great Cat, the avenger of the Gods, and the judge of words...-Inscription on the Royal Tombs at Thebes

when you secretly have to admit it's kind of fun...

2006 is done, 2008 is another day and another fight

Passion is neutral in it's "good vs evil" character, but what actually matters is what you do with that passion. Do you use it for good or evil, or neither? That is the distinction that Althouse didn't make.

Passion drove Hitler and Bin Laden, but it also drove Tom Edison, Henry Ford and the signers of the Declaration of Independence.

It's how you use the passion, and yes lets move on now.

Wubbies World - The odds of hitting your target go up dramatically when you actually aim for it!

Unless we believe in freedom, Democracy, Western Civilization and the Judeo-Christian traditions on which this nation was built as strongly as the Islamofascist butchers who commandeered those four planes that morning, and the ones who sent them believe in theirs, we lose. There is no middle ground. It will make no difference to you, individually, in the end if you die after putting a round from a 'panzerfaust' equivalent into a house filled with Islamofascist butchers or die from having your head separated from your shoulders by one of the butchers' execution squads after Dick Durbin and Nancy Pelosi surrender your right to life and self determination, you'll still be just as dead. There is no escaping that fate at this time in history. The difference will come in what you have or have not done for the Western Democratic tradition that began bootstrapping itself out of serfdom with the signing of the Magna Carta.

A number of her regulars (of which I was one* until a few months ago) ripped her a new one for the general peevishness of her post and the sloppiness of her prose. If her blogging is any indication, she’s not a very good writer and doesn’t do a very good job of being able to communicate ideas more complex than “look at the new photos I took on campus.” Which is a sad testament for a law professor.

* Long story short, I made the mistake of getting involved in her attack on Goldstein and company in which she falsely accused them of mocking people who were injured in a parade mishap. Not only did Althouse repeat the smears after she learned what actually happened, she deleted any post which contradicted her “official” recount of events including ones by Goldstein which sought to correct the record.

It seems to me that the sort of mentality of a blogger who has to delete any “bad facts” which contradict their “official version” of events is “scarier” than people who actually believe in ideas.

Wow, I got into an argument about this on one of the forums (I believe it was called Politrix) at BlackVoices.net in 2000.

I was up against a set of folks who believed that any support of States' Rights (i.e. Federalism) in any way is racist. This is one of the reasons Reagan's statement of support for "State's Rights" at the Neshoba County Fair in 1980 is deliberately misrepresented by the Left as being equivalent to promising the South that he was going to bring back Jim Crow.

Anyway, my point was that if Stephen Douglas (D-IL) had been a more co-operative type of party man and conceded the Democratic nomination to John Breckinridge (D-KY) in the election of 1860, chances are that Breckinridge would have won the election.

In that case, I do believe the cause of States' Rights would have been associated far more strongly with the anti-slavery cause. Because Breckinridge as a fire-eater (a deeply pro-slavery Democrat) had promised to enforce the Dred Scott decision extending slavery to all parts of the Union (including anti-slavery states like Massachusetts), something Stephen Douglas explicitly promised Southern crowds (to loud jeers and boos) that he could not and would not do.

Please contact me at leon dot machonachos at gmail dot com at your earliest convenience. Thanks!

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