The Choose Either the Blue Pill or the Red Pill Binary Wisconsin Primary Open Thread.
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[Final UPDATE]: Excellent observation, and I shall heed it:
If you choose the Blue Pill, you will end up discussing the Wisconsin Primary. Smart money's on Obama for the Dems (I'm thinking not by very much, though), and the lobotomized, then ritually half-starved of oxygen and fed a protein-free diet from birth money's on McCain for the GOP. CNN results will be here.
[UPDATE]: In what I can only conclude was a stunningly prescient symbolic gesture, my son signaled the exact closing of the Wisconsin primaries by evacuating his bowels. Having reacted to that, I note that McCain has been projected to win, with 0% of the vote counted. All further updates below the fold.
If you choose the Red Pill, you will end up discussing the FLORIDA SKUNK APE!!!!!
Choose wisely.
UPDATE: With 2% in, CNN calls it for Obama. Currently 54/45, and flip a coin to see if it stays that way until the end. Back to the Florida Skunk Ape!
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Does the skunk ape represent yet another constituency that McCain can tap in lieu of conservatives? Is there a potential VP nomination in the offing? These are ALL questions Republicans should have at the top of their list of concerns at this point!
How are these two threads not the same?
Basically, Russert said that the only strong voting block that Clinton had left were aging white women. Also, she was losing every demographic of men. So, what does that mean?
Say it people: Clinton Coalition = "Nags and Hags"
"The great thing about history is that there is always more of it"
Clinton's HQ in Ohio was staffed mainly with over 60 women and under thirty men with a little too much cashmere and pomade.
That we disagree doesn't make one of us a bad person, it makes us both Americans. When we're fighting as they come to take our guns away, you won't care that I'm a "liberal."
McCain has a delivery designed for newspaper. He could use some coaching. Its completely obvious when he's hitting his talking points vs issues he's really passionate about. Presidential candidate McCain sounds NOTHING like Senator McCain on the floor.
"Why is this relevant you Obama loving scum yadda yadda..." well, for people who get most of their news from CNN instead of Redstate this might be the only exposure they get to McCain.
That we disagree doesn't make one of us a bad person, it makes us both Americans. When we're fighting as they come to take our guns away, you won't care that I'm a "liberal."
McCain with some nice shots at Obama and Billary. "Sense of entitlement..." will resonate strongly with moderate Dem voters that are likely to swing if Hillary gets the nod.
That we disagree doesn't make one of us a bad person, it makes us both Americans. When we're fighting as they come to take our guns away, you won't care that I'm a "liberal."
Just curious, thought I had heard that.
to the skunk ape.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
McCain was throwing haymakers
My GOD, is Hillary Clinton is total and complete denial?! She acts like she's still 10 points ahead of Obama all over the map. Its crazy! This "Speech vs. Solution" is ridiculous becasue they both believe in the same thing. Hillary can only critize Obama's style, because his politics is the smae as hers. But his style is SO MUCH better than hers, all she does is magnify how bad she is.
For the first time in this campaign, I truly beleive Hillary Clinton will lose the Democratic nomination.
And seriously folks, I am SHOCKD over it. I really really REALLY thought she would win this because of her husband, her name, and all the work she has done. Seriously, this is going to be one of the all-time greatest collapses in American political history!
I can't get over the fact that past all the fights and bitter partisanship, its not Republicans that finally lamed the Clintons, it was the Democrats themselves that plunged the knife into the Clintons.
Truly amazing.
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"As nations can not be rewarded or punished in the next world they must be in this."
- George Mason
...the truly important thing is that it's actually going to go to the convention.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
You and Hillary's staff are about the only people these days that still hold out hope for Hillary. I have to say, I think you might be in a bit of Obama denial (inevitably to be followed by Obama anger, Obama bargaining, and Obama acceptance). She's not going to be able to hold her (now slight) leads in Ohio and Texas, this thing will be over by mid-March when she'll bow out, having obviously been beaten.
Of course, if you are right and I am wrong, I will gladly proclaim you a prophet and paste all your posts in my leather-bound Bible, probably between Haggai and Zechariah.
with the dirty tricks. Also, this Obama guy is a super lightweight, he could blow up at any time.
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Molon Labe!
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The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
I still owe you for killing my Saturday afternoon and forcing me to work on Sunday afternoon (although I must admit, the Darth Vader diaries were AMAZING).
At least to the point where you're not making wisecracks about Christiansity.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Anyway, to answer your rather snarky observation, I'm not holding out hope: I'm causing trouble. You see, Hillary's problem is that she's an endothermic... not-nice person with a list of people ready to do her wrong, mostly because she did wrong to them first. Your guy's problem is that he's a first-term Senator with a thin, yet awful, legislative record who is starting to seriously creep people out. Somebody should have told him that whom the media would destroy, they first make into a demigod.
This is not your fault, of course: pickings were slim all around this go-round. But you want to go talk to OpenLeft or TalkLeft or the beleaguered parts of dKos if you want to make people all despondent and grumpy about Hillary's chances. We're rooting for - and encouraging - injuries. :)
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
I'd be rooting for the same were I you.
I'm going to have to decline your suggestion to go talk at lefty blogs. I like Redstate better and don't even have an account elsewhere. I'm not sure if lefty blogs comment sections are of a lower quality than those here or if I just prefer to read opinions that contrast with my own rather than diving into an echo chamber (or perhaps a bit of both), but they just don't do it for me.
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The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Mydd is unabashedly Pro-Hillary
DailyKos is mostly unbiased on the frontpage but the commenter's have IV drips for Obama Kool-Aid
Atrios is purposely trying to avoid election coverage and has instead focused on the economy and calling out the MSM on idiotic publications.
Talking Points Memo is the best "lefty" site out there right now, hammering everyone equally and showing relatively decent (for a partisan publication) journalistic integrity.
That we disagree doesn't make one of us a bad person, it makes us both Americans. When we're fighting as they come to take our guns away, you won't care that I'm a "liberal."
That's why I voted Obama and my wife voted Hillary! Keep it as close as possible. I've bought a case popcorn and I don't want it to go to waste!
They can still be blackmailed convinced to vote for Hillary, and thereby set off massive rioting in the streets outside the convention. Mayor Daly can call in the police and....[sorry -- acid flashback]
I'm collecting bricks to send to the demonstrators.
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"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. " -James Madison
They abort their young and then kill their old off as part of their "right to die".
"Do not yield. Do not flinch. Stand up. Stand up with our President and fight. We're Americans. We're Americans, and we'll never surrender. They will."-John McCain
McCain/Rudy 08-kill the terrorists and punch the hippies.
"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. " -James Madison
McCain gave the best speech I have seen from him ever with the most enthusiasm I have ever seen as well.
He had so many great lines and showcased with great contrasts the differences between him and Obama.
McCain actually talked specifics as well something Obama rarely does.
As usual, McCain delivered the speech very poorly. Substance is NOT going to decide this election.
Again, contrast Obama speaking now in front of thousands of screaming fans with McCain in a relatively dead environment. It just is not playing well to the masses. The general public (and some Republicans, I found out today to my dismay)wants to hitch up to a young, charismatic winner...not some worn out old guy.
And, at this point, I don't know what Hillary can possibly do to change the dynamic. If she had any effective dirt on the guy, she would have used it by now. She pretty much only has old women as a consistent voting block now.
I wonder if the Republicans had a do-over and could start the primary process again knowing Obama was the opponent, would McCain still be the nominee?
I say:
Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
If you want vote for a man committed to extending and expanding abortions, raising taxes, expanding the government's role in the economy, and retreating in the War on Terror and Iraq, you might be many things, but a Republican you are not.
And wherever men are fighting against barbarism, tyranny, and massacre, for freedom, law, and honour, let them remember that the fame of their deeds, even though they may be exterminated, may perhaps be celebrated as long as the world rolls round. ~ Winston Churchill
The only reason a Republican votes for Obama is to defeat Hillary. Of course at this point, I'm not sure which is worse but doubt that the cult of Obama will hold up long enough for the election. Hillary is the enemy that is a known. Heck, I'm even thinking of voting for Obama (Texas) just to help insure a Hillary defeat. The only problem is that it would negate my life-long run of never voting other than Republican... Oh well, may have to reconsider for the good of mankind.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
I would say too smart by half, but it is less smart than that.
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Molon Labe!
It's only the primary... No contest on the Republican side ya know...
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
I will do just as you say. Cause, you know, I live to be told what to do by other people on internet forums.
I voted for Obama in the WI primary. Big whoop. McCain is a lock and I personally believe that Obama is easily defeated.
Like most bags of gas, if you poke it with something sharp it deflates rather quickly. The bonehead said the following two things last night within a few minutes of each other.
1) Everyone should have the same, free health care as he has in the Senate.
2) The VA hospital system is in shambles.
Well, the VA is socializes health care. That's what everyone will get under his "free plan". It won't take much at all to defeat this lightweight.
And if you can't see that, fine. But don't go lecturing others because you think you're purer.
Finally, There were A LOT of Republicans that crossed over in WI. I personally know of 3 others besides me - and none of us conspiredor even talked about it beforehand.
Then again, neither is the skunk ape! We have 1 picture of him/her/it? Does anyone see a "coincidence" here?
Where is this line item in the Tax Code? What schedule do you fill out for that?
"In order to receive an obscene tax breaks, fill out the below schedule if you have shipped jobs overseas, fired tens of thousands American workers, and support global warming."
...unless she steals it.
Obama is going to have a healthy margin in Wisconsin. I'm not even sure that Hillary will win Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Even if she does, it will be by razor thin margins and she won't cut into Obama's delegate lead, which will be about 150 by then. Michigan and Florida can be seated at that time without consequence.
But, Obama also will not have the required amount to clinch the nomination either. The only way for Hillary to win this thing, is if she somehow, someway gets the superdelegates to vote for, and she will try to steal it at the nomination. That's the only way.
I don't really see how she's going to get away with that, given that the media and the Obama campaign are hip to the game and will shine light on that.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Uuuuuh, as an East Texan, I'm a little freaked out, because I think Obama just told me he wants to raise my property taxes for school books.
Look, I grew up in a rural East Texas town, and practice law in East Texas. And I'm here to tell you that I never went without a textbook at my public school. And my wife works for the school district, and I'm pretty sure all the kids there have books too.
In fact, here in Tyler, we just built new elementary schools in some pretty crummy neighborhoods; almost a voluntary Robin Hood program. It's pretty nice here in East Texas.
Besides, don't these Democrats know that we hayseed hicks can't read anyway?
McCain spoke in a room of a few hundred and was introduced by a defeated Senator.
Thoughts?
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Who ever is writing McCain's material is churning out some good stuff. You might say red meat for conservatives, and perhaps others who think with their minds and not their glands.
As Obama continues to lay out his plans, can't call them ideas, for a suffocating, super expensive central government, McCain's already excellent points could take hold and resonate.
This could get very interesting if the Gas Man from Illinois wins the nomination.
P S Barack should lower his chin once in a while, he looks like he's showing off his adams apple.
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
and Obama speaks at college campus basically
I thought McCain spoke very well tonight and had a lot conviction in his voice. Senator DeWine was a good man who lost his Senate Seat because the fmr Governor Taft ruined party in Ohio.
I bet behind closed doors, she is screaming, chewing people out, throwing potted plants across the room, etc. Then when the tirade is over, she has to put a fake smile on her face and go out and give a forced, fake speech about how she's in good spirits.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Why did he interrupt Hillary? Why did he feel the need to say hope 100 times?
Why are we afraid of this guy?
"Livin' the dream. I'm going to Disney World." Super Bowl XLII MVP, Elisha Nelson Manning
"Why are we afraid of this guy?"
Because there's a very good chance that he'll be the Dems' nominee, and a virtual certainty that whoever they nominate will be our next President.
Not to mention McGovern & Humphrey, and that takes care of the "inevitable" Democratic candidates up to just before the start of my lifetime.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Those other clowns never had a chance. With primaries historically turning out the lowest percentage of voters, it seems significant to me that total Dem turnout is averaging about twice that of Republicans (and both are hitting record numbers for primaries, IIRC).
...1988 levels.
Your account is closed. We don't like liberals who pretend to be conservatives.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
Well, we've got a virtual tie in the national polls, and that's before a negative word has been said by the national media about Senator Obama.
There will be scrutiny. There will be a slip up. He's a rookie. A darn good one, but a rookie nonetheless.
"Livin' the dream. I'm going to Disney World." Super Bowl XLII MVP, Elisha Nelson Manning
It's really, really dumb to use the same email here as you did on an Arizona progressive site trying to drum up petition signers to recall McCain. I know that MoveOn.org members are sometimes ot-nay oo-tay ight-bray, but come on. Try harder next time.
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Why would he NOT interrupt Hillary? She's nothing tonight. She didn't win Wisconsin, she wasn't conceding, she's probably not going to be the nominee. What point was there in her speaking at all? What role did she have that gave her a reason to speak? None. So why let her give a stump speech toward no particular end?
Don't tick her off.
"Livin' the dream. I'm going to Disney World." Super Bowl XLII MVP, Elisha Nelson Manning
Cause the media and Hollywood loves this guy so from now till election day expect to hear Obama is God and if you say anything bad about him you are a big bag redneck racist.
Believe it or not, The Media* isn't really in the bag for a candidate so much as they're collectively in the bag for a narrative. Individuals? Sure, they're partisan. Collectively? Well, they trend certain ways, but what they like are stories.
And what is The Media's favorite story?
"The Fall of a Hero," of course**.
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*Sorry. Semi-private geek joke.
**And, as Dan Rather will tell you, they'll even eat their own. Happily. Without salt.
I don't see how Hillary wins TX, OH, & PA.
With a few more weeks of campaigning, Obama will shave those leads down, and shrink Hillary's margins to single digits, if not win them outright.
Again, Obama won't have the required 2025 delegates, but he'll have around 150 delegate lead on her. The only way Hillary wins this is if she steals it.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
I know there wasn't much of a race on the GOP side, but Dem turnout was about 3 times higher.
The good news keeps coming in tonight!!
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
I'm a worry wart. I am sort of a pessimist for November, but I really don't think we can read too much into tonight's turnout.
"Livin' the dream. I'm going to Disney World." Super Bowl XLII MVP, Elisha Nelson Manning
Being from WI and voting in todays primary puts many things into perspective for me personally. Cable news with all their talking hair-do's have not said one word about people like me. Not all of the dems votes tonight came but dems - a large portion came from republicans. Unfortunately, we'll never know how inaccurate tonights polls really are. It's one thing to watch coverage of other states but when it's your own you have a clearer vision of what's really happening right now.
I'm one of the many people who voted for a dem since our republican race is basically over. Yes, I voted for Obama simply because I want to get rid of hillary and make sure that she has no chance of getting into the White House. I've talked to quite a few republican friends around the state who did the same thing I did today. I know that I've angered some people for "playing the game" with our state's open primary system, but then Karl Rove was very good at playing the system too now wasn't he?
Regarding John McCain tonight; his speech was "spot on" and I love him more and more as each day passes. Even though he was not my first choice, I will proudly vote for him in November.
I cannot believe that some republicans would vote for hillary in November, and not John McCain. You have no clue whats at stake in this election and the effects it will have for generations to come.
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You deserve what you tolerate!
Hillary could lose by 20 pts.
She's done, dude.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
I don't think the turnout is that big of a deal.
But it is a big deal that the "victory" party for McCain in Wisconsin was attended by all of about 28 people (got a call from there tonight) and there was little to no enthusiasm for his speech and most of the talk (worried talk) was about the Obama blowout.
It's of the utmost importance that McCain do whatever he can to show he can compete with Obama. Conservatives will vote for the guy, but only if he can win. If more polls come out that show Obama clobbering McCain (like here in Wisconsin), then this really is Bob Dole all over again where there never was a reason to get energized or even hope that our guy could win.
I'm still holding out hope that the Clinton machine has SOMETHING...ANYTHING...that can weaken Obama.
Obama spoke in front of 20,000 adoring supporters that were young and energized.
McCain spoke in front of 50 supporters. Mostly older, many of them party hacks and the like. McCain also had the honor of being introduced by defeated Senator Mike DeWine.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
...Obama has revised UPWARD his fundraising numbers for January. He thought he raised 32 million, but he actually raised 36 million.
Has McCain raised 36 million throughout the entire primary season thus far?
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
If that was only 28 people, they sure sounded like more.
His delivery was not the smoothest, but he spoke 100% of the truth. I watched Obama speak on TV tonight in front of 20,000 enthusiastic people in Houston and yes he does have charisma, but as John McCain said tonight, Obama only offeres empty promises.
When John McCain says that he wants to keep america safe, free, prosperous, and proud, I belive him. And with our help, he can deliver.
It's way to early to call McCain the new Bob Dole. It's 8 months until the election - that's an eternity in politics. And besides, I guarantee you that the millions of GOP voters who sat on their asses in the 1996 election have lived to regret it.
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The rally I was talking about was in Wisconsin and featured Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker (a great Conservative). It was pretty much a Republican Party rally, but the room was just dead...even when McCain was on the TV giving his victory speech. There certainly was no panic, but there also was zero enthusiasm.
But regarding the McCain speech...why on earth does he insist on speaking to the smallest of crowds in the smallest of rooms when he knows darn well by now that he will be on either just before or just after Obama is seen rallying thousands upon thousands? Those contrasting images are brutal.
When he stood in front of various old GOP hacks and senators who were either retiring, or who had been defeated, and the average age up there was over 70.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
of a whiner than many on this site. We do not seem to lead the party, like so many other blogs, we seem to be the place for whiners to whine.
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Molon Labe!
Right now, it's time for a Valium and then bed.
See y'all on the flip-side!
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
alone? and if you are a serious Repbublican, which I doubt, why not offer something constructive?
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Molon Labe!
And hopefully the last. As far as "constructive" advice, I don't think there's anything Republicans can do to shake up the dynamic. It's up to the Clintons to dig up the dirt and heighten the attacks on Obama so she still has the possibility of pulling this thing out.
Oh, and McCain just cannot continue to give these televised speeches in such dead environments...that means the people and the place. The way the campaign is being run just has that Bob Dole 96 stench all over it. No more senior citizens in camera range, get a good backdrop of enthusiastic younger people, etc.
There are matchups in sports, too, that just don't work well and there's not a lot that can be done about it. McCain's speeches don't look bad when compared to Hillary's screeching and hollering and droning. But next to Obama, he looks downright sickly and anemic. BTW, speaking of sickly and anemic, Hillary looked awful tonight.
At some point republicans have to show up in numbers for McCain speeches. How can the people who gripe about him because he's not "conservative enough" expect him to move closer to them if they don't show up and support him? It really is a two way street.
I'm a little suprised that state party organizers haven't done a better job at getting more people to events. I realize that in 2004 people were practically beating down doors of party leaders here in WI for tickets to George Bush events and now people are having to be persuaded - well then persuade them!
Is it really that hard to make the case for keeping a republican in the White House? Are we willing let the television coverage decide our election?
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You deserve what you tolerate!
I would no more vote for Obama than a snake! Your way out of line - cut it out! I am stating facts that scare me as it should you.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
but that time has ended. Do you think you are helping by saying: "Obama fills stadiums and McCain fills rooms" with no further commentary?
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Molon Labe!
Sorry you are so obtuse that you don't get it!
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
conversation with Doc regarding his unwarranted comments...
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
do. dude, seriously calm down. Did i hit to close to home?
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Molon Labe!
that what I am saying is actually in agreement with you! For that, yes you are obtuse!
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
comment I make, it would take me way too long to respond. I did expect that most would understand the context. You seem to be looking for a fight tonight; whether from drink, disappointment, or other reasons. If you go back and look at my comments, you will see that they were not meant to be in favor of Obama. You just decided to go off tangent on your own and it did irritate me. What can I say...
We have usually agreed in the past and your statements did shock me.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
trolls around here that bash McCain, who happens to be our only viable candidate, and offer no advice or opinion to help him out. I do not consider you a troll of course, but there are also others who just hate on the guy and love to point out problems, whether true or not.
You can take shots at me, you can call me a drunk or whatever floats your boat. All I know is my concern are the lilly livered fair weather friends that claim to be Republicans.
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Molon Labe!
Doc,
What are we supposed to do other than comment on what we see and hear? How does McCain create the kind of enthusiasm among his supporters so he can fill a basketball arena? And it's not just McCain. Hillary can't do it, either. Even if she somehow wins the nomination, she will never inspire people the way Obama does.
IMO, there's not much anybody can do except to try and ride this thing out and hope the Obama wave crests at some point.
Maybe the McCain campaign needs a shake-up? Would an on-the-ball campaign staff really float a trial balloon as lame as Hutchison for VP? Did they really think that idea would be one that would fire up the troops?
people need to be inspired to vote when the issues are tax repeals, socialist medecine, defeat in Iraq, and economy destroying green policies.
Some try to say the problem is McCain, but if anything, the problem is Bush. If it is not Bush, then it is Republicans, and we do not want to go there. There has been a palpable sense of fear and unhappiness among conservatives since 2004.
What it comes down to is if people can not see for themselves the importance of a Republican win, I just don't think we can do much to open their eyes. In some ways this reminds me of late Roman decadence. People just can't get themselves to fight for what they believe, they just don't think it really matters.
I agree Hutchinson, Pawlenty, and even Palin do not give us much of a charge. I personally believe we need JC Watts. People can read into why I think this way, but trust me, it is complex. JC is a true blue conservative, but not a pigeonholed "religious conservative". He is a very strong presence and would help McCain greatly.
In the end, I am always willing to discuss issues, but to these so called Republicans who need to be "talked into" voting for the Republican, I am just not into that anymore. McCain was not my pick, but we rarely get our pick. If this party is going to stay viable, we need to win elections. We have been pushed around and battered since 2004. We have retreated, apologized, argued with eath other and retired. This does NOT inspire. To win, a person or group must inspire confidence and have leadership qualities. All these people so scared of the spooky Obama are are blinded to the fact that he is a lightweight, and we have a long battle ahead.
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Molon Labe!
be responding to you in the future.
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Molon Labe!
I think our focus has been split between Clinton and Obama, and this is why he has managed to be in this good GE position so far. Now that it's clear who will be our opponent, he's fair game.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=bbe615f5-c846-4849-a0c...
And from a polling outfit that has shown good results so far this season. Interesting. But come on, 8 months to go.
You can't put a price on the press that Obama gets from MSDNC.
“.....women and minorities hardest hit”
Did someone forget to tell folks up there that Romney is out and has endorsed McCain? You've got 20% of voters going for Romney in Washington. I can't see that there is that much of a "protest vote" push there.
Now that would be the maverick move.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill