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The Bill is in the Senate, Churchill.

uhh...yeah.

Let me re-word my earlier attempt at sarcasm to make it a bit clearer for everyone:

"We don't care about your soap opera "victory" over the evil democratic party and their nefarious "onslaught of democratic spending" through their clever use of the same "earmarks" the Republicans previously used to shovel money into their home districts when they were in charge.

We conservatives encourage you and your Republican party to stand together (from the lowliest GOP house errand boy to those Senators that actually seek to be re-elected) against the vastly more important illegal immigrant amnesty bill currently being rammed through the Senate."

Forget the posturing, your continued use as a Representative or Sentator (to conservatives) rests on your performance in defeating this illegal amnesty bill.

Thanks.

...someplace else! It doesn't belong here and by your insulting tone and use of "We conservatives" you may not either...

I realize you've only been here a week or so but please, show some respect and modicum of decency to our guests and stay on topic!!!

Founder and contributor to The Minority Report and Senior writer for The Hinzsight Report

Wow.

Guess it's impolitic to bring up IN A POLITICAL FORUM the GOP's hypocritical record with regards to earmarks and wasteful public spending...In a post directly related to earmarks and wasteful public spending.

Oh, and what's the problem with "we conservatives?" Care to poll a few to find out their view of the GOP after this amnesty fiasco?

I'll save you the trouble and just say "not in a positive light."

Guess it's impolitic to bring up IN A POLITICAL FORUM the GOP's hypocritical record with regards to earmarks and wasteful public spending...In a post directly related to earmarks and wasteful public spending.

That's not what you did, you rudely hijacked a thread about RSC standing their ground on earmarks to complain about an immigration bill that's currently in the Senate to a Congressman!?!

A Congressman, I might add, that happens to be one of a handful of conservatives "we" can consistently count on.

Your rude insinuation that the Congressman is part of the problem in not only uniformed its uncouth!

As for this:

Oh, and what's the problem with "we conservatives?"

Your conservative credentials are yet to be seen and I for one wouldn't choose you, at this point, to speak for me.

Founder and contributor to The Minority Report and Senior writer for The Hinzsight Report

Seeing as how you breezed through my previous posts ignoring the relevant points let me copy/paste them for you.

"We don't care about your soap opera "victory" over the evil democratic party and their nefarious "onslaught of democratic spending" through their clever use of the same "earmarks" the Republicans previously used to shovel money into their home districts when they were in charge."

This deals directly with the hypocrisy on the issue of "wasteful spending" through "earmarks." The GOP has been no better than the democrats in this area - and in fact, I consider them far worse simply because the democrats don't market themselves as the party of fiscal discipline.

Would you care to argue with me that the GOP has been the party of spending discipline since '94?

Didn't think so.

Therefore, this post deathbed conversion (meaning well after these GOP cretins have been evicted from DC as the majority party in both houses of congress) seems a humongous pile of steaming hypocrisy to real life conservative voters like me that see nothing but squandered opportunities throughout the GOP's time as the majority party in both the house and senate.

Now as for addressing the immmigration issue in this post...

Every single GOP politician and the cast of cronies that keep that ship (barely) afloat in DC must be warned early and often and at every single opportunity that this immigration issue will be the "original sin" that will affect every single one of them in every race - everywhere.

A GOP that doesn't stand strong against the abdication of our national sovereignty will be forever tainted by this sin for the vast majority of political conservatives. Give us even a semi-competent third party that espouses genuine conservative political principles minus the worthless, treacherous sellouts (McCain, Graham, Specter, Kyl etc.) and I would hop ship in a second and gladly watch the GOP sink into electoral obscurity as it tries to win votes being the party of radical, open borders (elitist) capitalism and hispanic vote pandering.

Good luck with that GOP.

Please argue with me in this thread or through email that the GOP is worth supporting philosophically, morally or monetarily...You are the first person i've seen on the entire interwebs willing to defend the GOP on their record.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/08...

and threadjacking! Hey, you want to talk about what you want to talk about? Write your own blog -- lay out your thoughts, and take your best shots!

I'm guessing you both are offended at my lack of sycophantic tone while addressing one of my GOP betters.

I'll show a little more "civility" to GOP pols and their cronies when they show a little more "backbone" and "integrity" in Washington D.C.

Party of small government anyone?

Unless you are a hyper-emotional pre-teen girl, I have said nothing overly offensive here.

This is all within the realm of legitimate political discourse among grown men.

You guys wouldn't last 10 minutes in the Army.

For fun and games why don't you or the esteemed Republican congressman just go ahead and defend the GOP against my charge of blatant hypocrisy on the issue of wasteful government spending through the clever use of earmarks.

thanks again.

ya either have it -- or you don't

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Thank you for taking offense at my G rated language.

http://www.midol.com/index.cfm

the point was threadjacking and being uncivil. That's my job. Go write your own blog about whatever you want to talk about and quit appearing to be a fool on this one.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

"listen you idiot"

I have yet to call anyone an "idiot" so you can just go ahead and quit posturing now.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Your observations are about as meaningless as your appearance in this thread.

is what Steve Foley stated farther up the thread:

you rudely hijacked a thread about RSC standing their ground on earmarks to complain about an immigration bill that's currently in the Senate to a Congressman!?!

Nothing about language...the issue is that a U.S. Congressman posted about one subject, and you proceeded to lambaste him (rudely) about another subject, which, by the way, isn't even in the House yet!

If you're gonna ream out a Congressman, the least you can do is a) stay on topic, and b) do it politely.

What difference does the job of "US Congressman" make on anything regarding this thread?

If it makes you feel better, I will go ahead and withdraw any reference to the illegal amnesty travesty that will be costing droves of GOP pols their jobs in the near future and concentrate solely on GOP hypocrisy regarding wasteful government spending through the clever use of earmarks.

I'm assuming it's a-ok to actually disagree with the esteemed congressman on this issue or the way it's being marketed as a victory against big government spending by the courageous party of small government?

LOL. Ain't that the truth. We have been desensitized. I catch myself cheering when I actually get the right food at the burger king drive thru. Pathetic, eh?

Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you. Washington Elected Elite

John -

I am proud of my colleagues for the efforts they made, and I certainly am not going to apologize for that. I am sorry, however, that you feel differently. I do understand your frustration, however taking a slap at those who worked 20 hours per day this week on your behalf might not be the best way to direct that frustration.

That being said, RSC members have fought on behalf of taxpayers - even against our own majority for years - and we will continue to.

Anyway, I hope you have a nice weekend, even if you aren't happy that Republicans worked to give you some transparency - hopefully followed by greater accountability - from your government.

- Jeb

Jeb, I think it was tongue in cheek and just general frustration with government and not directed at the great effort by you and your colleagues.

Keep up the good fight and let us know how we can help! We need to make it easy for more citizens to take action.

Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you. Washington Elected Elite

Unfortunately, I think many conservatives have a form of battered wife syndrome from the many years of big government (wait the new brand name for big government is "compassionate conservatism") that Republicans gave us. When the abuser finally starts treating us nicely, we are still wary and skeptical.

That being said, I am greatly heartened by what seems to be a recommitment by congressional Republicans to conservative principles (the executive branch Republican is still clueless). To me this earmarks victory is one sign that things are changing. I hope that you guys continue to fight for the taxpayer and conservative principles like this in the future.

As a conservative - consider me part of that group.

That is exactly why we continue making these fights (we made them in the past as well). Here's a link you should check out - Fred Barnes writes about "Uncompassionate Conservatives."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/780amz...

The RSC -- Republican Study Committee -- represents the Conservative wing of the Republican Party -- the red-headed step-child of the blue-blood wing, which runs the party, including the Republican House delegation.

The RSC is RedState's blood-kin. THEIR victory is OUR victory. Jeb's the coach, and we're in the locker room whooping and hollering after a fairly significant victory. A little pep-talk from the coach is entirely in order.

So, kindly quit urinating on our Wheaties.

It's war -- so when can we start shooting back at the enemy Democrats?

Sure, there is a lot of frustration, but these gentlemen just worked hard for what is right. There is no reason to talk like that.

How can we get more ears in washington and be more effective?

Is phone, fax, or email any better than the other?

I started a thread recently on creating a collaborative wiki where everyone can contribute to solving problems. It could be a good tool to assemble the "best of the best" ideas in drafting key elements to policy on the core issues of conservatives.

I'd like to have washington come here seeking positive ideas and solutions rather than coming here with their talking points.

Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you. Washington Elected Elite

I couldn't look away and watched until I fell asleep at 1:20 or so and by the way Boehner looked like he just stepped out of his house coifed and ready to go at around 12am which by the way I appreciate because you can never let them see you sweat.

Jeb and his cohorts in the RSC have been fighting for earmark reduction and elimination, lower spending and lower taxes for a long time for us. Even when we were in the majority, they fought against the tax spending Rs and Ds. Lay off the Congressman. You don't know what you're talking about.

And by the way, Congressman, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. And we are sorry it has been so difficult for you to persuade those other pieces of crap to do the right thing. That really should not be yeoman's work.

If there is anything we can do to help, let us know.

(And Roy Blunt is my Congressman. I wish he were on your team as well.)

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

they have to go before the people more often and in such they have to keep their word or have it used against them as will be the case with the new blue dogs on illegal immigration.

"I know many in my work place who plan to not vote given the current crop of left-leaning candidates due to, and I quote, 'not wanting to choose between left and left'"

That is what I don't get at all. People saying they aren't going to vote. We have 3 choices, Rep, Dem, or letting others make your choice for you. I cannot figure out how some people justify "sitting out" as accomplishing anything. We all have to hold our nose many times but not voting for the best alternative is just plain silly to me.

Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you. Washington Elected Elite

but I would prefer to not have a guilt complex for the next x years because I voted for a slimebag (not directing that epithet at anyone in particular) simply because he was the lesser of two evils. I find it morally repugnant to go against my principles simply because others "might make the choice for me". If I have a fundamental problem with someone, I won't vote for them. I could not live for myself if, for example, the candidate was pro-abortion or pro-amnesty. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Morals are like that - hard to explain and hard to escape.

..."could not live WITH myself" ...

Why the heck can't we edit replies on RS? It lets us edit our blog entries!

BS, what about using your vote to vote against an even more unmoral candidate?

The primaries are where to vote your heart. The general is where to vote your brain.

Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you. Washington Elected Elite

An immoral candidate is an immoral candidate. I would write in NOTA first. I've heard the "primaries vs. general" argument before, but sorry - pragmatism doesn't turn immoral into moral.

You contribute to a negative outcome (say HRC getting elected), it is still your responsibility. You'll still have plenty to feel guilty about. Writing in somebody is the same as refusing to vote. In that case, you might as well stay home and save the gas money.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

You are responsible for whoever wins the election, just as much as if you went out and voted for him (or her!). You can't absolve yourself of responsibility by sitting at home on election night. You could have done something but you choose not to do anything. You are still responsible for the outcome.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

since the Congressman talked about music for the day:

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The CIA has better politicians than it has spies - Fred Thompson

What's the deal with the washing machines?
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

but they're from Canadia, so I give them a pass on it.

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The CIA has better politicians than it has spies - Fred Thompson

Since when has the left EVER cared about having they're hypocrisy exposed? It's done on a daily basis here, the internet, O'Reilly, talk radio, and since when have they ever cared? Their base buys into the 'right-wing conspiracy' theory and passes it off as they happily read Rather's forged docs and point to the Republicans as the anti-christ (sorry, they don't believe in God, the anti-handout).

I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it to the very death.

If the Republican leadership really had courage (and the desire to limit spending) it would have happened long before now.

This is, once again a POST deathbed conversion to fiscal conservatism by these House Republicans (well after being booted out of majority status in part due to their fiscal irresponsibility.)

This shouldn't be met with anything other than skepticism on the part of conservatives.

In the future the rules should be "mis-trust and verify" until the GOP develops some sort of genuine record of addressing conservative political concerns.

As for voting against sellout Republicans in the primaries:

You need to take that a step further and ensure the Lindsey Grahams, John McCains, Jon Kyls and Arlen Specters of the GOP get put out of DC by crossing over to third party or democratic candidates if these miserable cretins escape rejection in the primary process.

There is after all no shortage of "moderates" and various GOP kool-aid drinkers chomping at the bit to see these sellouts return to office all for the greater glory of the "other" big government party.

Hopefully the Republicans get the message and return to the roots of conservatism that brought them such stunning vitories as in '96. Americans want accountability, character, honesty, and morals. As soon as the politicians realize that we will see a decline in the left (I hope).

I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend your right to say it to the very death.