Even if the election is over, it isn't *really* over until we get the desired result
Or something along those lines.
By Jeff Emanuel Posted in Congress | Culture of Corruption | Democrats — Comments (25) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
Update: Rep. Eric Cantor has more on his blog.
Tonight on the House floor, some chicanery was reportedly committed by the House Democrats which sends a disturbing message about that body's ability to actually conduct free and fair votes on legislation.
Here's the skinny: the House was voting on a motion to recommit the Agriculture bill, a move which would send the bill back to committee with the stipulation that no taxpayer dollars in the Ag bill would go to illegal immigrants.
The Presiding Chairman, a Democrat (of course), closed the vote on the motion, and totals were formally announced, with the Republicans having succeeded in getting the bill recommitted.
However, once this outcome was learned, the Chairman decided to re-open the vote to allow enough Democrats to cast ballots to change the motion's outcome, after the vote had already been closed, announcing the new vote total (which favored the Democrats and - shocker! - illegal immigrants) and explaining away the earlier vote closure as his own mistake.
As a House staffer said to me, "This wasn't them keeping the vote open, twisting some arms, then getting their way. This was them just pushing through their result, after the vote was concluded and the results were announced."
This brings up an interesting question. If this practice is acceptable (and accepted), then what is there to keep the Democrats from reopening any vote that they wish, in order to alter or to guarantee a favorable outcome?
Video is below the fold.
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2004 Governor election vote count. If Democrats cared at all about fair elections, they would never oppose voter ID laws or other measures designed to insure fair and accurate elections.
If they don't win, they will try the do-over, as in this case or WA. Or they will try the courts (see Gore 2000, Jennings (FL) 2006).
Or they will claim fraud, as noted in posts recently. When the Dems lose, there's voter fraud. When they win, they don't see any problem with voter fraud, even though the voting systems are essentially unchanged.
Or they will blame the voters. See Kerry on how the voters just didn't understand his message. That the voters did understand and still rejected his liberal views is incomprehensible (see also the book "What's the Matter with Kansas?"). The flaw is in the voting public, not in the secularist, morally relativist, liberal message.
just a minor correction... democrats usually are not complaining about voter fraud... they complain about election fraud. Everything else in your statement is accurate though.
those who were all in favor of the Dems winning the House back in '06 for the sake of "divided government" and the sweetness and light and milk and honey that would bring to the political process should be horsewhipped on the steps of the Capitol.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
The democrats took the house and senate in 06. And the blame rests squarely with the President, Republican members of the house and senate, and Republican leaders.
To horsewhip the voters is silly. Even us voters can't help those who refuse to help themselves.
the president had one vote, the Republican members of the House and Senate had less than 300. 300 votes didn't elect a Democrat house by taking Republican districts. Stupid freakin morons elected them.
I have thought seriously about going back through the comments in Sept/Oct 2006 and calling out each and every poster by name who talked about the virtues of divided government. Another comment like this one and I'll make the time.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
What we need is real leadership from the leaders of this party. Really, what are they doing?
I really doubt very many republicans went to the polls to vote for democrats so we could have divided government. Thats not what happened.
I know you feel strongly about this, but turn your anger toward the party leaders and our republican representatives. They have the power to influence. I commented a couple times here recently about perfect campaign commercial material freely given us by the democrats. Where are they? The democrats saved bill clinton, not in 1996, but in 1995 running those whither on the vine commercials. What is the republican leadership doing? If they are doing something and you are aware of it, please let me know because I don't see it.
my anger on the morons who voted this way. Republicans, and conservatives, have always prided themselves in being able to make informed decisions without being told what to do so I don't see how blaming the leadership absolves the voters.
All during the run up to the '06 elections we had a dozen or so posters regularly extolling the virtues of this nonsense. They need to be made to publicly explain why stuff like this is good for the country.
"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling
and I think the fact we allow anyone that cab fog a mirror to vote is wrong. If one are too dumb or ignorant to make an informed decision, one should not be allowed to vote.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
He has the Bully Pulpit, which he thinks is rude to use if in doing so, like in trying to persuade or inform, he might offend Democrats. The American people voted on what they heard the most, and they heard precious little from the President, so for some strange reason, entirely beyond the President's control, the Congress went Democratic.
Post-election polling found that the reason that the Congress went Democratic was because the great undecided, "moderate" voters went to the Democrats. It wasn't because of some huge Republican block stayed home. The blame goes with the President and Republican leaders for sitting on their hands, not Republican voters.
So now we have events like this, which I suspect the President will make little of, "New Tone" and all that.
is much overrated and contributes very little to the public debate when the message emanating from said pulpit is filtered through the bias of the partisan press and the spineless politicians residing on the right side of the aisle abandon the message in favor of comity, and/or, political expedience.
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“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so.” – Ronald Reagan
Did you vote for DeWine? Give the President credit when due or just verbally flog him at every opportunity?
Just asking...
"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
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Serve them tea and crumpets in those plush House conference rooms. Play videos of prominent Democrats giving speeches. Have all empty wall space filled by projections of John Murtha's image.
Then lock the doors. Forever.
Can someone please point me to the rules which permit a “do over” when the majority does not like the outcome? This is just beyond disgraceful and indicative of all that is wrong with the Democrat Party. The egregious obfuscation of basic democratic principles is only outweighed by their inability to take credit or properly log accountability for their actions.
Make no mistake, Democrats are the party of illegal immigration and want to “back door” every means of providing our tax dollars as a way to secure that groups loyalty. In the process, they have discarded democratic process and current American electoral constituency. Certainly, it is their right to do so; but why not stand up, be counted and allow votes to stand on unencumbered constitutionally articulated process.
It is so insulting they try to explain this away by insisting the rules and process support such chicanery. Do they think us feeble and unable to draw coherent conclusions? They must if we are to believe their disingenuous explanations.
Rep. Michael R. McNulty (D-N.Y.) who was holding the gavel, and his Democrat Party cohorts should be ashamed.
I would ask America once again, is this what you voted for?
"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
Contributor to The Minority Report
that the Dems whined endlessly about things like:
- Extending the CAFTA vote for 45 mins until enough arm-twisting was done to pass it.
- Keeping the Medicare drub bill vote open as many hours as needed.
- etc.
They promised to change all this and make everything open and fair. Or maybe they promised it would be as fair and ethical as they handled earmarks - if so they've kept that pledge.
Dems don't mind holding open votes like in this case or cutting them short if that suits their purposes better. What a crock.
I totally agree. It was wrong then. Its wrong now.
Of course, its inane to pretend that this is without precedent too.
The simple fact of the matter, in Hugo Chavez fashion, you keep counting the votes until a predetermined result is achieved. They tried it in Florida in 2000, this is just another manifestation of the same belief of "divine right of power" the Democrat Party believe is theirs.
The voter fraud charges are another manifestation of this same thing. If they win, all is right and good, no fraud occurred like in 2006. However, when they lose, it had to be stolen by voter fraud. There cannot be any other explanation.
It is all the same thing in varying manifestations. The Democrat Party's divine right to power cannot be violated and it is all permissible, because the ends justify the means.
Some may disagree with me, but that is what it appears to me as the reason.
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A lot of libertarian-leaning right-wingers, including me at one time, look to Thomas Jefferson as a historical hero and one of the greatest founders.
Now, though, I disagree, and have no love for him. Just look at what happened when his ideas were put into practice in his beloved France.
TJ was just the world's first radical lefty (witness how he and his party came to power with a mandate to increase the speed of naturalization of seditious immigrants).
Karl Marx is in there, too, with his mystical belief in the historical inevitability of his ideas. The Democrats are saturated in his thoughts, too, that they are on the Right Side of History, so they feel like they can do whatever they want and get away with it.
It's much like what the Christian-hating lefties say about the President, how he supposedly thinks the world's about to end and so he can do whatever he wants in the world without consequence.
Nobody should be surprised that the democrats went and did this. Now the question becomes; What will the Republicans in the House do about it? Anything?
Do the GOP Representatives just come to work today and go on as usual? Or is a real stink going to be made about it? 'Cause if THEY don't, what good is it going to do for us to get bent out of shape? Asking, over and over, "Is it Nov. 2008 yet?" is as useful as my kids asking "Are we there yet?" on long car trips.
Be not afraid
can't help wondering why what with their avowed interest in clean politics, openness, and totally honest voting.
As their beliefs are rock solid and have been expressed uncountable times they must be busy marshaling their arguments from principle.
In the meantime we have a Democratic Congress that makes 19th century Tammany Hall look like Periclean Athens.
Now back to investigating republicans for corruption, can't spend too much time voting, even if it's for welfare and for people who should be deported.
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
about what slimebags the Dems were in this little incident. But you might as well save your breath, go grab a beer, and watch tonight's ball game...because NO ONE is going to hear about it. The MSM will bury it on page 30, just like every other story about the Dems' underhanded stunts. It's a losing battle to complain about the borderline criminal stuff these losers are pulling. The sheeple of this country don't pay attention, partially because they don't care and partially because they get the pre-chewed pablum of the local fishwrapper and the smiling liars on CNN and the TV networks.
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The Committee Chair has a tremendous amount of power . . . my guess is that a little research would show that "re-opening" the vote is within the discretion of the Chair.
In any event, as we all know ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. Dems took the House in '06, and with it all of the levers of management . . .
The only way to stop this nonsense is to WIN BACK THE HOUSE!
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