Harry Reid Slams the Door on SCHIP Negotiations

Democrat squawks: 'That is an insult -- an insult.'

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Earlier today I chided Senate Republican leaders for failing to take a different direction on SCHIP following President Bush's veto. Whether that was fair or not, it won't matter. Senate Democrats aren't willing to talk -- no matter what plan Republicans put forward. Here are the details from Roll Call ($):

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) closed the door to negotiations with President Bush on a vetoed children’s health bill Thursday, saying Congress already has given as much ground as it can.

“We’re not going to compromise,” Reid told reporters Thursday. “If he’s hoping for that, he better hope for something else, like getting our troops home from Iraq.”

Reid and other Democratic leaders said it would not be possible to secure House passage for any bill smaller than the $35 billion measure Bush vetoed Wednesday. The House originally proposed spending $50 billion over five years, but Bush has proposed spending only $5 billion in that amount of time. The president said Wednesday that he might be willing to add a “little more money” in talks with Democrats.

Reid flatly rejected that.

“That is an insult — an insult. The House ... basically took our position with very few changes. You cannot wring another ounce of compromise out of it,” Reid said. “If he thinks he can waltz in here with his secretary of Health and Human Services and sweet talk us, he can’t. The man’s out of touch with reality.”

Note to Harry Reid: A compromise between the socialists in the Democratic Party and the liberals in the party isn't a compromise.

This is just more proof that Democrats are using SCHIP to score political points against Republicans. Speaker Nancy Pelosi was caught lying about the program yesterday and now Reid is refusing to even talk about a solution. This is the sad state of Democratic politics in America.


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I just love it. Greed is such a wonderful thing.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

Senator, YOU are the insult! It's time for you to resign and retire to Sin City.

This is the cudgel Democrats have said they are going to use to beat Republicans into the election cycle; a bill meant to cover poor children's healthcare. You will hear the cries about all the money for Iraq and none for children; those mean Republican's!

What you won't hear are some simple facts. The accompanying message better be simple and repeated again and again. Democrats used children to advance their political asprirations. They took a plan to fund poor childrens healthcare, a plan in which all the funds are not even used today, and tried to perform and end around towards socialized medicine. The funding formula was hokey, it pulled people from private insurance into a government program and in some cases expanded eligibility to people making $83k a year. Is that the new poverty level?

I hope we get another day of CongressStatetm postings here on this issue tomorrow.

Please invite Martinez to lay out his plan, we need people to see the value of that alternative and intransigence of Democrats like Harry Reid. At a minimum, we should have one of your colleagues from Heritage.

"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
Contributor to The Minority Report

is that Bush has in fact bent and even worked with the Dems on this issue. The truth is, the Dems have pushed the envelope to the point that they surely knew their proposal was unacceptable. I have a gut feeling they're going to win this one. If you google "schip" as we speak, the 1st to come up says "Families Brace for SCHIP Demise" and the following isn't much better. The media seems consistent with that mindset. Their timing is perfect and their justifications will be, in my opinion, convincing to many. People are simply unconvinced of the justification of the war (myself included) so the "spending" isn't going to be an issue with them. I'm thinking that even the "sin tax" on tobacco will work in their favor as even in Louisville, we're seeing protest against McConnell. Obviously, the Dems are not going to buckle unless called out aggressively. To wait and hope that they do the usual and trip over their own feet didn't pay off in 06 (despite their repetitive stumbles) so I wouldn't be too optimistic about this one.

Funny how there's always a seemingly pro-Republican platitude followed by a summary favoring Democrats. Gee, I hate when that happens.....consistently across threads.

If people believe this is even closely related to dismantling S-CHIP, then they need a reading comprehension test; even Democrats and certainly no Republican's have even eluded to that objective.

For Democrats, this is about expanding eligibility for people who don't need it and beyond kids and pregnant mothers. It does not take a genius to determine their objectives have nothing to do with original bill intent. Problem is; they thought if they said "kids" people would collapse like folding chairs. If not, they would say how uncaring Republicans are through the next election. However, there are at least a few people out there able to read and discern facts for themselves. When people take the time to investigate, they will feel violated by these condescending Democrat tactics.

A little bit of factual history might help. The original Senate Bill was sponsored by, ...wait for it... Senator John H. Chafee, a Republican. As much as Hatch likes to say it took a bipartisan effort to pass, and it did, Chafee led the fight. Therefore, if anyone knows how to keep this program going and true to original intent, it is Republicans.

"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"
Contributor to The Minority Report

From Schmitz Blitz: schmitzblitz.wordpress.com

With regard to all of this SCHIP business, the Economist tries to account for the rationale behind the President’s veto, noting:

Neither fiscal restraint nor the veto pen has characterized President George Bush’s time in the White House. America continues to run a deficit, and Mr. Bush has vetoed only three bills in his whole tenure. But now that he has a Democratic Congress to battle with, the president is promising to be tougher.

...

Mr. Greenstein [of the Centre on Budge and Policy Priorities] speculates that the president is really trying to force Congress to attach the health care tax-incentive proposal he unveiled in January. An aversion ot government-run health-care programmes and new taxes—a tobacco-tax increase would fund the SCHIP expansion—may also be driving Mr. Bush’s opposition. Or he may simply be trying to reestablish his credentials as a fiscal conservative

In adding to Bush’s reasons behind the veto, I argue that moral reasoning also played a role. I base my analysis off of the book Moral Politics by Berkeley Linguistics Professor George Lakoff. Lakoff argues that the liberal/conservative split over key issues is based on more than just partisan politics—he argues that these differences “arise from radically different conceptions of morality and ideal family life—meaning that family and morality are at the heart of American politics.”

Lakoff offers two structural models for the ideal family—the Strict Father model and the Nurturant Parent model. ‘Conservatives’ tend to prefer the former, ‘liberals’ the latter. From these differing conceptions of the ideal family, arise different moral systems for discerning what is good.

Lakoff characterizes the Strict Father model as:

A traditional nuclear family, with the father having primary responsibility for supporting and protecting the family as well as the authority to set overall family policy. He teaches children right from wrong by setting strict rules for their behavior and enforcing them through punishment...He also gains their cooperation by showing love and appreciation when they do follow the rules. But children must never be coddled, lest they become spoiled; a spoiled child will be dependent for life and will not learn proper morals.

If you accept Lakoff’s thesis, then President Bush’s veto of SCHIP makes perfect sense, assuming he adheres to the Conservative/Strict Father moral worldview (a pretty safe assumption I’d say, noting the President’s deep devotion to a conservative strain of Christianity, which espouse traditional family values).

The President would see SCHIP as undermining the ‘traditional’ family that his whole moral system is based upon. He would see SCHIP as transferring the responsibility of providing for the family from the father to the government. This diminution of the father’s authority strikes the heart of the Strict Father moral worldview. If this primary tenet is struck, then the whole moral conception loosens and waivers. In vetoing SCHIP, the President may believe that he is maintaining the very foundation his moral system—the authoritarian patriarchal father figure.

From Schmitz Blitz: schmitzblitz.wordpress.com

With regard to all of this SCHIP business, the Economist tries to account for the rationale behind the President’s veto, noting:

Neither fiscal restraint nor the veto pen has characterized President George Bush’s time in the White House. America continues to run a deficit, and Mr. Bush has vetoed only three bills in his whole tenure. But now that he has a Democratic Congress to battle with, the president is promising to be tougher.

...

Mr. Greenstein [of the Centre on Budge and Policy Priorities] speculates that the president is really trying to force Congress to attach the health care tax-incentive proposal he unveiled in January. An aversion ot government-run health-care programmes and new taxes—a tobacco-tax increase would fund the SCHIP expansion—may also be driving Mr. Bush’s opposition. Or he may simply be trying to reestablish his credentials as a fiscal conservative

In adding to Bush’s reasons behind the veto, I argue that moral reasoning also played a role. I base my analysis off of the book Moral Politics by Berkeley Linguistics Professor George Lakoff. Lakoff argues that the liberal/conservative split over key issues is based on more than just partisan politics—he argues that these differences “arise from radically different conceptions of morality and ideal family life—meaning that family and morality are at the heart of American politics.”

Lakoff offers two structural models for the ideal family—the Strict Father model and the Nurturant Parent model. ‘Conservatives’ tend to prefer the former, ‘liberals’ the latter. From these differing conceptions of the ideal family, arise different moral systems for discerning what is good.

Lakoff characterizes the Strict Father model as:

A traditional nuclear family, with the father having primary responsibility for supporting and protecting the family as well as the authority to set overall family policy. He teaches children right from wrong by setting strict rules for their behavior and enforcing them through punishment...He also gains their cooperation by showing love and appreciation when they do follow the rules. But children must never be coddled, lest they become spoiled; a spoiled child will be dependent for life and will not learn proper morals.

If you accept Lakoff’s thesis, then President Bush’s veto of SCHIP makes perfect sense, assuming he adheres to the Conservative/Strict Father moral worldview (a pretty safe assumption I’d say, noting the President’s deep devotion to a conservative strain of Christianity, which espouse traditional family values).

The President would see SCHIP as undermining the ‘traditional’ family that his whole moral system is based upon. He would see SCHIP as transferring the responsibility of providing for the family from the father to the government. This diminution of the father’s authority strikes the heart of the Strict Father moral worldview. If this primary tenet is struck, then the whole moral conception loosens and waivers. In vetoing SCHIP, the President may believe that he is maintaining the very foundation his moral system—the authoritarian patriarchal father figure.

 
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