New Dem Spin: Our Troops Are Incompetent
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Give it to Chuck Schumer and the Democrats. They are so desperate to lose the war, they have now decided a new tactic. After calling our troops Nazis, war criminals, and monsters, they're now going to the floor of the Senate to make the case that the troops are incompetent. You see, the violence in Iraq is going down not because of the troops, but inspite of them.
Here's Chuck Schumer on the floor of the Senate:
“And let me be clear, the violence in Anbar has gone down despite the surge, not because of the surge. The inability of American soldiers to protect these tribes from al Qaeda said to these tribes we have to fight al Qaeda ourselves. It wasn’t that the surge brought peace here. It was that the warlords took peace here, created a temporary peace here.”
As Don Surber notes, Schumer voted to send the troops to war, but damned if he can give them any credit for doing their job.
Of course, our own Jeff Emanuel is in Iraq and he has seen their successes first hand.
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Being in Germany, I guess you missed this is now “Bush’s Report”. Yes, the President is now personally writing the report and in the field commanding troops. Oh, and the small part Petraeus wrote?
the general is a mouthpiece for President Bush and his findings can't be trusted.
Yes but they support the troops!
Here are some more snippets;
"The Bush report?" Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin said when asked about the upcoming report from Gen. Petraeus, U.S. commander in Iraq.
"The top Democrats — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California — also referred to the general's briefing as the "Bush report."
I have never witnessed such blatant dishonesty and politically motivated behavior. Can anyone advise if Congressional ratings go below 0? Even the MSM is reporting good news and these lemmings are going over the cliff.
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They must be expecting some good news from the report so they need to re-brand it as the Bush Report to indicate bias. It's too early for them to directly bash Petraeus as a Bush lackey. They'll stoop that low if they have to.
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Despite Bush's repeated statements that the report will reflect evaluations by Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, administration officials said it would actually be written by the White House, with inputs from officials throughout the government.
apologies in advance for violating the spirit of the kinder, gentler RS.
Schumer's flailing attempt to re-write current events, and Reid's insistence that time has run out, are desparate efforts at trying to put Humpty-Dumpty back together again. They have already written off the Petraeus/Crocker report, and they still shout that the American electorate overwhelmingly opposes any continuation of the war against Al Qaeda in Iraq.
The Surrender Caucus may have had the momentum at the time of the 2006 election, but not any more. Even mainstream media is acknowledging two things. First, abject surrender would be catastrophic for the US and the Middle East. And second, we are showing that a winning strategy and determination to implement it will bring us victory. The public sees this.
The tide has already turned. The Petraeus report next week will be an anti-climatic acknowledgement that we are winning. Schumer, Reid and Move-On will again be losers.
If we're offended by what the Senator said, it's because we didn't fully comprehend the intricacy and the meaning of his words, and the sophisticated way in which he ordered and then presented them.
The patriotic citizens of the Yale Law School surely understood (and concurred with) Schumer's nuance, based on their past public attitude toward the American military.
"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)
After getting "down and Durbin'd", our troops are now getting "Schumerized" by two of the biggest jackasses ever to walk the halls of congress.
I hope the troops create a big, long banner with the appropriate words addressed to these knuckleheads. A banner similar to the one they sent to John Kerry when he inferred they were too dumb to do anything else but serve in the military.
Too bad we're not supposed to do any name-calling, else I'd call hin a traitorous scumbag.
Schumer's position is at least consistent -- he offers the same level of support and respect to our troops as he does to Supreme Court nominees - ditto for the familes of both.
the Democrats support.
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If they weren't wearing all the Che t-shirts, Maoist red stars, and whatnot, I'd wonder, but they make it so EASY.
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must be inserted in Congress. More, if necessary.
We need to flush the feces from the system so we can begin repairing the bowels of our government. Chuckie will be the first POS flushed.
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The Democrats are so invested in the defeat of their own country they have no choice but "all-in". You have to wonder, what level of deranged hate must you sink to find yourself in this position. These people voted to approve this new general, every one of them. They voted to promote him to a four star. They voted to fully fund the operation. Now a few short months into the operation, they pronounce it failed and call our troops incompetent and the reason for failure. The level of disgust for these people is beyond words.
Hate is blind, and all consuming, it truly is.
The only thing that counts is Gen Petraeus' report, and of course Katie Couric's analysis :^)
So, am I going to just really get reamed if I use the "T" word in association with Senator Charles Schumer?
He is a T___________.
He has DELIBERATELY AND WITH MALICE AFORETHOUGHT GIVEN AID AND COMFORT TO OUR ENEMEIES, MATERIALLY DAMAGING THE WAR EFFORT. It matters not that this is standard fare for elected Democrats and the leftist media. It matters not that his reasoning involves political posturing. It is still T____________.
Not only that, he's what Crash Davis called the umpire.
America is my country, it's a beautiful country, and that little CS just urinates all over it. Damn his sorry leftist hide.
It's war -- so when can we start shooting back at the enemy Democrats?
I've been calling them that for years. I used to be ashamed that he's my senator, but I never voted for the POS so no more apologies. He truly is beneath contempt, beyond the pale and a full-out T________.
Rush was all over this today and was probably the biggest contributor to UpChuck's phone lines being jammed and his "backpedaling" on the Senate floor today. Yeah, you backpedal, you miserable, cretinous [deleted].
Tony Blankley wrote that the RNC is collecting all of this stuff for timely regurgitation during the election; I sure hope he's right. I'm not at all sure the RNC is that smart, though.
You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
Other than taking the whip to the base when we don't support the Amnesty Bill.
Upchuck, I like that...
It's war -- so when can we start shooting back at the enemy Democrats?
It's been years, though. Wish I could take credit. ;-) I almost think it was Sean Hannity, but not sure.
I truly despise my 2 senators, for reasons too obvious to everyone here. I come from CA, where (when I was a lib) I used to love those 2 and now loathe them as well. My personal approval rating for the Senate is about 5%. Most are at least not T_______, though.
You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
"are so desperate to lose the war,"
Didn't the chimp say Mission Accomplished 2 years ago???
Put down the banana and go over to a dictionary to learn the difference between 'mission' and 'war.'
Or, why do you hate the troops so much that you criticize the man for congratulating the sailors who'd been on such a long mission on that aircraft carrier he landed on?
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I voted Harry Browne in 2000, but will never vote Ron Paul.
take the strikeout out of "enemy" and add ", the" before "Democrats".
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From Bush's famous speach on board the carrier:
Our mission continues. Al-Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist network still operate in many nations, and we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger. The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend the homeland — and we will continue to hunt down the enemy before he can strike.
The war on terror is not over, yet it is not endless. We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide. No act of the terrorists will change our purpose, or weaken our resolve, or alter their fate. Their cause is lost. Free nations will press on to victory.
See:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/01/iraq/main551946.shtml
What I love about internet trash is how they illustrate what the kos kid types are really all about.
Nothing. You see? They're about nothing. Silly little comebacks with no meaning that get their tiny little hearts racing. Random opposition that gets their little adrenal glands pumping. They are a position without a basis, a philosophy without .. well, a philosophy. It's a culture of lazy self-indulgence that skips right to the witty phrase without any of the wit. Unless you count twit as a form of wit. There's no there there.
Stay in the public eye, twits. You make a great case against yourself.
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Schumer's comments deserved having his phone lines melt. I only hope the NY Post takes the time to put the spotlight on the egregious comments about our troops and that New Yorkers take note. This disgraceful person has no shame in dragging anyone's good name thru the mud, with not a pittance of fact to substantiate his utterances, and hides behind the cloak of of senatorial protection. As a New Yorker, I am ashamed of his antics and wish other would wake up the the embarassment he brings our state.
...there, I said it.
WTF, the Leftards are always accusing us of doing so anyway, might as well get the please of ACTUALLY DOING SO.
--furious
"I find your lack of faith disturbing." -- Darth Vader
Is he could make a convincing argument for you to slit your own throat so it would be easier to donate blood. You'd pick up that it was a bad idea just ten minutes after you went through with it.
On the flip side he is the best argument for requiring an integrity test before allowing someone to hold public office.
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I wish someone in the pentagon would call on Schmuck Schumer to repeat his comments in front of the troops on the ground in Iraq. (While their M16's are fully loaded)
Aside from the handful of criminals the media has spent more than enough time on, the vast majority of the kids in our military are too well-disciplined and too principaled to do more than shout him down, and possibly not even that.
I'd much prefer that he made his little speech in front of a group of Al-Quaida troops...
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troops. I do have a fair sized group of Marine families that aren't so disciplined and are prone to take crap like Chuckie distributes very personally.
Body armor may well stop a direct hit from a 7.62 round but it won't even slow down Mrs908's fingernails if you say something nasty about HER Marine.
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Schumer merely stated the obvious. He didn't say the troops were incompetent, he said the troops are unable to protect every tribe, which is true. The troops have their limitations. They can't do the impossible.
He didn't say the troops were incompetent, he said the troops are unable to protect every tribe, which is true. The troops have their limitations. They can't do the impossible.
It's as if you think his words (giving credit to warlords and saying that the violence is down in spite of the efforts of American troops) are not there for all to see.
Must be this Community Based Reality thing I've been hearing about.
George W. Bush: He's A Folder ... Not A Fighter.
I suppose it could be claimed (by the terminally stupid) that the increased US troop level finally convinced the local warlords (after 4 years) that *no* level of US troops could do for them what they should have been doing for themselves, but the result is the same - Al Queda is being beaten, and the Iraquis are taking up the heavy lifting.
My personal feeling is that the local warlords (who have, in actuallity, been the local government in that part of the world since the days of Sargon, and will be for many generations to come), were not about to throw in with the US until they had some confidence that the US would stay until Al Queda was beaten and expelled from Iraq; they weren't going to throw thier people into a lost cause, and worse set themselves up for repraisals after the US turned tail. With a little confidence in our determination (as demonstrated by the surge), they're now figuring that the sooner Al Queda is beat the sooner the Americans will leave and the sooner life can get back to normal, so they're joining the Americans (who they're now recognizing as liberators) in forcing our an increasingly unpopular foreign invasion force.
Either way, the bottom line is that local tribes are fighting against Al Quaeda, which is exactly what the intent of the surge was. I'm having a real problem seeing how equating the locals fighting Al Queda and "the surge is failing" doesn't constitute "spin".
But then again, I'm just a conservative, I don't understand these nuanced and insightful issues the way a career politician would.
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Either way, the bottom line is that local tribes are fighting against Al Quaeda, which is exactly what the intent of the surge was. I'm having a real problem seeing how equating the locals fighting Al Queda and "the surge is failing" doesn't constitute "spin".
Yes, that part is spin, but it would also be spin to say he called the troops incompetent.
I didn't mean to format it like that. I meant to say:
Either way, the bottom line is that local tribes are fighting against Al Quaeda, which is exactly what the intent of the surge was. I'm having a real problem seeing how equating the locals fighting Al Queda and "the surge is failing" doesn't constitute "spin".
Yes, that part is spin, but it would also be spin to say he called the troops incompetent.
What he said about the warlords is directly in his words, but nowhere did he say the troops are incompetent.
It was a pragmatic statement Schumer made. Had he bothered to include "Despite their best efforts..."
And really folks, it was just another act in the duopoly's dog and pony show.
You are dead wrong about our troops you say they are incompitent they are very smart. You say the things you do but, our troops are the ones that gave you that freedom. Quit being retarded.
I got the wrong impression of this site seems to me I need to start sleepin more and workin less.
Hang in there!
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Chuckie and co need to repeat their slanders outside Congress.
The truly devastating thing about these current remarks, is that if true, it indicates that the US Army can soon begin to stand down, as the Iraqis HAVE STOOD UP!
Prior to the Surge, peace and victory had been achieved in 15 of the 18 Iraqi Provinces. Only Anbar, Diyallah, and Baghdad City province, were the remaining daily battlefields.
Of course occasionally, there was an outrage elsewhere, like against the Yazidis, but also the London Subway, the Madrid Train station, the Paris suburbs, the German airfields, and of course skyscrapers in New York City. But those are unusual events; the war was occurring daily in only three Iraqi provinces before the Surge. Now Anbar is much safer, Diyalla is much safer also, Baghdad and many of its suburbs are safer as well, but other boroughs of Baghdad are not yet secure. Peace with Victory is near to hand.
That is Bush's definition of Victory; America Stands down as Iraq stands up. Along with putting an elected democratic government in overall power, that is not in opposition to American interests.
Furthermore his patient, sometimes exasperating, policy of a carrot and a stick; not handling all the fighting with a massive US Army intrusion of 500,000 like in Vietnam, but patient, private, prodding, and arming, of the Iraqis, that no Non-Nation State can match. Waiting and defending them, while privately prodding them to reconcile disparate groups, build their new Democracy; new Army, new Police, and new democratic government, has worked.
Mr. Bush and his aides like Rumsfeld, even appear, in retrospect, to be geniuses, with the Patience of Job. Their patiently waiting for the Iraqis themselves to organize, to mobilize and to engage, surely cost domestic political support. They accepted it, managed it, withstood electoral losses, even so, kept steadfastly to their course, and seem to have won.
Casualties are tiny by comparison with most wars; a few thousand, barely above US pre-Bellum, US non-combatant deaths, instead of upwards of 50,000 military deaths, as other limited wars consumed, like Korea and Vietnam.
Explicitly: We have been VICTORIOUS!
We have now accomplished EVERY SINGLE ONE of our War Aims, except for the mopup. Just like after the allies had successfully and permanently established themselves in Normandy in WWII. War fighting is/was still needed, the outcome appears to increasingly be pre ordained.
First: A genocidal mass killer and his government, has been overturned; he has been captured, tried in a court of law, and executed by the Iraqis themselves, not us.
Second: We can begin standing down soon, as a Democracy is in place, elections have been held with little overt corruption, and a democratic government is functioning. (At least as well as in Mr. Schumer's one Party State of New York functions).
Third: The Al Queda has been destroyed in its last strongholds of Anbar and Diyallah, by their supposed supporters, the Sunni Iraqis themselves. They have been massacred in their efforts to flee, and to stand in Diyalla's Buquaba.
Fourth: Meanwhile, the Shia Iraqis under Malawi, have already thrown the Sadr Persian Stooges, even though Shia, out of their Shia dominated, popularly elected government, in Baghdad.
Fifth: Even some ancillary side benefits have been achieved as well. The long suppressed nationalism of the Kurds has been met, within the Iraqi Federation, relieving the Middle East area of a future reason for war. Turkey's war bluster, and Iranian Kurdish border shelling, has even served to remind the Kurds that there is safety inside of an Iraq, with Big power support. Versus probable destruction of Kurdish nationalism, through explicit efforts toward independence.
Lastly: Iraq can stand alone, after we are finished, without a constant dole from a reluctant Congress. The Democrats won't be able to cut the legs out from under the Iraqis like they did to the Vietnamese. The Iraqis have Oil, and lots of it, with which to buy arms.
All these victorious accomplishments, in spite of somewhat seditious, self-serving fools, such as Mr. Schumer himself!
I accept his implicit designation, and second his implicit nomination of Mr. G W Bush for the Nobel Peace Prize...
Petraeus will report surge is working but needs more time w/out reduction in forces. Dems are already discounting the report and emphasizing the GAO report(it's more negative). Goes to show they will search for evidence that backs up their agenda rather than form an opinion after they get all the evidence.
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Of course, American personnel did not train Iraqi security forces, and they have not captured "insurgents" by literally the thousands. Additionally, they have not discovered and destroyed weapons caches, or provided infrastructure and rebuilding even in the surge areas so that Iraqis can begin to return to normalcy. Our incompetent troops wouldn't know where to begin to clean up a dangerous neighborhood. If a bridge is blown up, oh well, I guess we'll just have to go around to the next one until it too gets blown up.(Please note the preceding was loaded with sarcasm)
I feel a little better now.
Since some of our other leaders (Katie Couric for one) have been saying that the surge is in part working, I have to go to school, I am a teacher, and make sure I straighten the misguided students out. We cannot have them thinking that the US is doing something right and noble.
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