On Floor of Senate: Harry Reid Says Troops Are Dishonest

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John McCain gave an impassioned speech on the floor of the United States Senate today against cutting and running from Iraq. He said, in part, that he had talked to soldiers from the ranks of privates up to generals. They all told him that they did not believe you could support the troops and oppose their efforts.

Harry Reid's response was, in effect, that the troops lied to John McCain because they did not want to speak candidly with a war hero/Presidential candidate.

Harry Reid, on the floor of the United State Senate, said the American soldiers in Iraq lied to John McCain.

Watch the exchange here:

Video edit note: Dick Durbin made a statement between McCain and Reid's response to McCain. He refrained from calling the troops Nazis again and was thus not very newsworthy or exciting.


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Because he has done everything possible to stab them in the back. Whereas they merely admire and respect McCain.

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Admire him, that is. Not anymore.
If this gets out, though, we might start to respect him again...

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
Jesus Christ and the American G. I.
One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.

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Erick,

I listened to the clip, and I did not see Harry Reid in the same light as you, I found him trying to be respectful of a colleague he admires but has a different view. I found him fairly respectful and trying to speak in moderate tones and with a great deal of Senate collegiality.

Now maybe Reid is wrong, maybe he's right, but I doubt that given the number of troops who have served in Iraq all are some monolithic block that are universally behind the President's surge plan or for that matter think things are all going great in Iraq. Some no doubt are Democrats, some disagree with the war, but are at the end of the day all are honorable and duty filled and will conduct the mission they are given by their superiors to the best of their ability.

Anyone ever in uniform know that politician are always accompanied by minders when visiting the troops, and no young troop is going to speak frankly to a US Senator when there's a bunch of brass buzzing around. McCain knows that too.

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Another South Park Republican spouting off !

Not the way hje's saying them. He's telling the Senate that the troops lied to Senator McCain just because of his history and current presidential candidacy.
He's saying that the troops would be more honest to HIM (Senator Reid), of all people...

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
Jesus Christ and the American G. I.
One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.

I thought McCain was very well spoken. I agree with Erick about Reid, its an exageration to say he is calling the troops liers. I didn't hear that at all.

Anyone ever in uniform know that politician are always accompanied by minders when visiting the troops, and no young troop is going to speak frankly to a US Senator when there's a bunch of brass buzzing around. McCain knows that too.

I'll grant your ability to read John McCain's mind and to divine what he knows is superior to mine. But the rest of this is sheer bullhockey.

Before we go any farther, which unit did you serve with, for how long, at what rank? Because I'm a career infantry officer and your statement simply has no relationship to actual facts.

Anyone who has ever spent a day in the military knows you'd damn well better never ask a trooper his opinion on something unless you really want to know it. The younger the troop, the more likely they are to shoot their mouth off. A senior officer is likely to be careful about what they say, but junior enlisted guys tend not to care, NCOs know what they say isn't going to hurt them, and junior officers tend not to care a whole lot.

And what is this "minder" stuff. The only time a "minder" is involved is when a member of the media has requested a one-on-one interview with an individual. Then a public affairs officer may sit in. When news crews talk to soldiers 99% of the time they don't have a PAO along. When members of congress get out an mingle with troops no one would dare try to interject themselves into a conversation.

You seem to be under the illusion that troops are a lot more respectful of authority than is the case.

he was chosen to be one of the representatives of his unit at a Presidential speech. He and the other two from his unit arrived early, stopped by a BX (the speech was at a military base), and were walking to the site which was about a mile away. A black Lexus pulled up, the passenger's window slid down and a California Congressman asked them if they were going to the speech. "Yes sir", "Want a ride?", "Yes sir". They then proceeded to the site and spent over an hour with the Congressman, who questioned them at length about all kinds of stuff. The Lance Corporals didn't hold back or need to have anything vetted by anybody.
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AF 5 1/2 Years SSGT, 70's era in the Intel biz then and for quite a few years after that doing all sorts of interesting things.

Son of a 30 Year Enlisted with lots of time hanging around bases.

Bother of a 25 year Enlisted

Father of a son who is probably going to enlist after he graduates from HS.

Still working for DoD around lots of PC Airman and Officers, who

Oh an let's not even count time spent as a Civilian contractor at places that aren't really military bases but are.

Good enough for you?

Not everyone sees things through their Brass Hat, and junior enlisted are much more careful around Brass and not because of fear for their next promotion or Brass Hat officers, more to keep your Top Sergent from tearing you a new one.

Yes Sir... Yes Sir... Three Bags Full.

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Another South Park Republican spouting off !

Not everyone sees things through their Brass Hat, and junior enlisted are much more careful around Brass and not because of fear for their next promotion or Brass Hat officers, more to keep your Top Sergent from tearing you a new one.

Oh, bullshit.

(My 1SG's DSN number is available to you on request.)

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The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

The reason you won't find them in a combat zone is because their lack of spine has shown through in their words and actions and they have been gotten rid of before they can get people killed (99% of the time. There are still those that hide it really well that manage to accomplish the worst, but we do our best to prevent that).
You will, however, find them all over the place in CONUS units. In all ranks. Usually because they managed to weasel out of deploying.

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
Jesus Christ and the American G. I.
One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.

Loved the line " . . . which is not a Republican amendment I don't care whose name is on it . . . "

I'm willing to allow that Reid may not have been calling the troops liars. But he was quite visibly stung. McCain hit his mark; Reid knows what he said is true and has exposed him. I think we are finally seeing the death of the left's "we support the troops" lie. Good on ya' Senator McCain.

Dienekes,

I'll buy that assertion, and the Democrats are indeed having a hard time pretending to respect the military, it's not in the party's DNA any more. Democrats like Scoop Jackson, Sam Nunn and few other, sure no problem. But the modern Democratic party and the vast majority of it's supporters do not have anything in common with a military person who understands; Duty, Honor and service to country.

As far as Reid goes in this clip, I did not get the assertion that he was calling McCain a liar, that's not the old school Senate behavior that Harry grew up or McCain trades in, and for that matter not where Mitch McConnell and a lot of the Republicans in the Senate are ether. I realize that partisans from both side of the ditch like conflict and in your face smash mouth politics, but I think this Senate will not deliver on that sort of entertainment. Well short of oxygen thieves like Teddy, Lurch and Biden that is.

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Another South Park Republican spouting off !

whether or not Reid called the troops liars (and I tend to agree with you here) gets in the way of the real revelation brought forth by this exchange, which is that Reid and his followers are liars.

He only succeeded by hiding his light under a garbage pail.
Now he is in the open and cannot hide nearly as much.
Tammany Hall Harry is the reality of what they accused Tom Delay of being.
Go Harry! Go!

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Odd isn't it, that when a military person such as McCain speaks up, NOW it's more important to listen to a non military person such as Reid.

When Murtha had his say, we had to heed his words because he served. But Harry Reid thinks that because he did not serve, troops will be more honest with him than McCain.

This is getting good.

chickenhawks, did you not get the memo :)

Molon Labe!

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We would also like to know your advice for somebody like my daughter, who's going to graduate in two years, advice that you would give a young person.

SEC. RUMSFELD: Advice for a young person. Study history.

In a population of 135,000 who are in Iraq and a million who have been there, there are going to be a variety of viewpoints. There is a minority of soldiers who support your cut and run proposals. I'm quite certain those are the soldiers who are seeking you (and Sen. Kerry, and Sen. Biden, etc.) out.

Stand up in front of the whole group and spout your opinions. It would not go well, I think.

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We would also like to know your advice for somebody like my daughter, who's going to graduate in two years, advice that you would give a young person.

SEC. RUMSFELD: Advice for a young person. Study history.

you can get into the US military. If you don't study hard and do well you could find yourself stuck in the US Congress. A wasted mind is a terrible thing.

John
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Liberals: Alchemists who have mastered the ability to transmute Lead into a denser form of Lead

It's harder to qualify for the Army than it is to qualify to join the CIA...

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
Jesus Christ and the American G. I.
One died for your soul; the other for your freedom.

He's more comfortable in dark corners and probably wishes he was back cooking crooked real estate deals and working with organized crime in Vegas.
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison

but your brain doesn't work?

Harry Reid: "He is better known in the military. They know that he can respond to them, probably, better than I, so they are willing to tell me a lot of things they're not willing to tell him." (transcribed by me, any mistakes all mine)

That doesn't even make sense.

But what McCain said did.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.

and so he should be.

Re Reid:
-of course the troops want to talk to him. Where else can they get the latest scoop on promising real estate deals?

-isn't he violating the "Kerry Doctrine" that only veterans have standing the discuss the Iraq war. Guess that makes him a chicken-dove.

Congress sticking their unqualified noses in the war picture. Have we not learned our lessons over the past decade. Get congress out of the war scene. Let the President and generals fight the war. Whenever you get politics in the battlefield, our people are going to die.

Kudo's to Sen. McCain for exposing the Left's true feelings about the brave men and women that serve around the world in our armed forces. Great job in shedding light to the Left's dark ideology. It is abundantly clear that the democrats in congress do NOT support our troops or their mission. You cannot break the two: Mission and Troops. You either support both, or you dont.

And lets not forget Sen. Kerry's actions during Vietnam. He himself turned against his own troops.. blatently.

And while we are at it.. lets not forget to praise Sen. Kennedy and his rediculous ideology: Well, we cannot stop the President from sending more troops, but we can develop legislation to cut funding. You guys try that lame approach and see where it leads in 2008.

Harry Reid: Harmless Little Fuzzball?
http://signaleer.blogspot.com/2007/02/harry-reid-harmless-little-fuzzbal...

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