Reason No. 7,567,981 Planned Parenthood is evil
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I knew the leftists wasted our money on this stuff, but I thought PPH just ran slaughterhouses, I had no Idea they promoted this type of stuff to our kids.
regarding Planned Parenthood funding..
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison
Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion
It's one of the reasons "traditional values" are losing in this culture. My guess is that the number of people who will listen to this guy is less than zero.
"My guess is that the number of people who will listen to this guy is less than zero."
I do not think that is possible.
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
"It's one of the reasons "traditional values" are losing in this culture."
I suspect that your present geography has biased you perception on this issue.
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
For a year, and I live practically in the *woods* here in Massachusetts.
The real fact is exactly what Adam C. has stated before: the generation of 18-24 year olds who are currently going through college are the most liberal and sophisticated generation of kids that has ever been seen.
Guys like this are a waste of money in these ads. I hope they didn't spend too much airing it.
"...the generation of 18-24 year olds who are currently going through college are the most liberal and sophisticated generation of kids that has ever been seen."
I have taught several hundred kids that fall into the current 18-24 age bracket, and I would never use a word like sophisticated to describe them. Words such as arrogant, ignorant, and dependent paint a much more accurate descriptions of the current block of 18 to 24 year olds.
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
Words such as arrogant, ignorant, and dependent paint a much more accurate descriptions of the current block of 18 to 24 year olds.
Oh please! That's what every generation says about the next.
The current crop of kids has their problems like everybody else, no doubt, but they are actually quite a bit more conservative then their parents, especially on the life issue.
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they seem more down to earth than I and my buddies were back when I was in my early twenties.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
I know it's imprudent on RedState to tell anyone that they're full of baloney when it comes to things like life issues, but I am undaunted and I can tell you unequivocally that this ad wouldn't have even made the *DUMB*SS* section of FARK.
Christian Conservatives, and Alexham is one of them, are living in their own little worlds if they think this is going to change anyone's behavior. Instead it's going to make them laugh.
Tells me all I need to know about you and what you value in life.
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Disclaimer: I am a member of a state-wide executive committee that is affiliated with Governor Mike Huckabee's campaign for the GOP presidential nomination
I'd value the right-to-life movement getting itself on an equal footing with abortion peddlers and becoming more serious about getting their message heard. I look at ads like this coming from a pro-choice background and I can tell you that in my former life we looked at ads like these and rejoiced because we knew they weren't going to make a dent and would in fact make it easier for us.
The right-to-life movement needs to understand that the presentation is as important as their message. This ad will only play well among people who are already pro-life. If that's the idea -- to rally the troops -- fine. OTOH if you're trying to go toe-to-toe with the Planned Parenthood and NOW people on a national level, it's going to take a more compelling spokesperson than the chairman of the local Young Republicans.
If I offended you, I'm sorry. I get reflextively nauseous when I see efforts by right-to-life groups that I know my former friends would have received with derisive glee.
The "scared straight" type of gruesome and apocalyptic ads that some right-to-life groups have run. People tune those out, too.
Let's instead imagine what it would take for a right-to-life group to run a successful nationwide public service campaign. I have some ideas on that but I would begin with advertisements that were narrated by a person who would encourage people to consider the message seriously rather than changing the channel.
That Conservatives have absolutely no idea about how to connect with people and change the dynamic in the culture. The guy looks like a wet-behind-the-ears superfrosh in a Sears sportscoat, and sounds like a game show host.
I've never understood why Conservative groups opposed to abortion, when it comes time to make their commercials, always choose people who look like they've never even been kissed while they're telling other people what to do with their sex lives.
It's a losing strategy, unfortunately.
No, he sounds like a smarmy little version of the parents that this ad is designed to "combat." The issue deserves much better than this guy acting like a game show host. None of the conservative groups have found a good spokesperson yet. I seriously doubt Mr. Eager Beaver here is going to make a dent.
This guy's audience is pro-life activists, and those already sympathetic to it, not the general public. He's giving us information to fire up the foot soldiers of the cause.
But I don't think the guy's singsong voice and squeaky-clean appearance are going to help the people other than that. He's preaching to the choir, but what does that change?
We preach to the choir here. We aim to fire up, aid, and direct activism.
And RS 3 will be even more effective in that direction, I believe.
In my parents' church, and I'm sure in churches all across the country, different services have different messages. Sunday morning is for the general public, trying to get people to join, get saved and baptized, and all that.
Sunday night gets a little more nuanced than that, and by Wednesday night, the message is aimed at regular church-going Christians who need to be herded to keep in the right direction.
Preaching to the choir is part of the preacher's job.
I agree the add is totally worthless at convincing anybody who doesn't already agree with it. We aren't very good at this stuff, social conservatives especially do a pi$$ poor job at selling themselves, at least most of them.
I mean, frankly, look at the difference between Rick Santorum on one hand and people like Mike Huckabee and Sam Brownback on the other. Now, say what you will about Rick, and I've got a lot of good things to say about him, he never was particularly good at winning over converts. He was always better at beating the tar out of the enemy. That's fine to a point, but it's got it's limits.
Other folks like Brownback and Huckabee are much better at it, much more positive. I think we need to follow their example on such things.
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We've seen a procession of people in business suits and with eager personalities telling them in sing-song voices why abortion was wrong, and ever since then, they haven't made the slightest visible impact on the number of women in this country who want to have them.
The pro-lifers who rely on this kind of message to change people's minds are willfully ignorant of the kind of conversation it's going to take to really make a dent in people's opinions. They don't want to get down "in the sewer" and really discuss why something like 1.2 million women in this country choose to abort their babies each year.
The real problem is that this guy is entirely too cheery and he looks just like he walked out of a Young Republicans meeting at the Heritage Foundation. In case anyone hasn't noticed, those are some of the *least* popular and influential figures in this world. I hate to tell Bluey that, but they are. They're almost caricatures of themselves by this point.
A completely different media strategy is needed, with people a lot more mature than this.
with the actual trendlines for abortions and public opinion about abortion. I'll defer here to experts like Leon but I believe we have made some real progress over the years, just not enough to change the direction of the Leviathan.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
to free speech, they don't even provide me with a firearm in support of my 2nd amendment rights. So why does the government spend hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to provide abortions? Just because something isn't against the law doesn't mean is should be funded so abortion providers live lives of luxury on the public's dime.
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison
And that's the major PR flaw. The pro-lifers I associate with (which I like to think is a majority of pro-lifers) are only personally opposed to "sexual immorality". In fact we sound just like "moderates" when it comes to abortion: "I would never do it personally, but I think it's their right". The pro-lifers I associate with don't tell people what to do with their sex lives, we just tell them to stop murdering (and we usually take a less aggressive approach that saying "murder" when actually talking to a mother considering abortion. I've known plenty of pr-lifers who got good results that way.)
Say a middle aged parent who is facing higher and higher taxes for a never shrinking list of stupid things, could express proper outrage of *$305,000,000* of tax payer money going to promote a business.
They need a less nerdly speaker. Preferably a young good looking woman. who maybe looks good but has some regrets about permissiveness and license.
The racist super hero chick with the comdom gun shooting dead looking white people is a possibly new low in tax payer funded propaganda.
But then the PP is all about racist agendas, at its heart.
liberal sexual values led to the poor decisions that ruined his/her life.
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison
You know, I like Redstate for its political coverage and the Iraq reporting, but stuff like this is just a waste of time and space. Whatever fringe group this is seriously should get over their own sanctimony. Oooo, Planned Parenthood received a whopping $5 mil? That's not even chump change when it comes to federal funding. There are seriously huge issues in our country right now that completely trump a group making racy commercials to encourage contraception. Besides, anyone who doesn't support more use of contraception should move to some theocratic Middle-Eastern state where they can be amongst fellow backward thinkers.
Mind you, I don't get involved in the Birth Control Wars myself, except to note that I'm not in favor of banning condoms. But you got the numbers wrong.
:ka-click: And now that we've established that, let's talk about the apology that you're going to make to the community for your religious and ethnic bigotry. Next post, Sparky, and make it good.
Moe
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I'm not sure what you consider a non-evil solution, but it seems to me that encouraging people to use contraception is pretty reasonable and rational. Safe sex means fewer unwanted pregnancies, which means fewer abortions, which appears to be what you guys want.
Beecubed, you're neglecting the fact that when authority figures say things, it changes perceptions. When teachers and parents and whatnot are saying to use condoms, they are implicity saying something about sex. Either "go have it" or "all your friends are having it, it's normal."
The latter is especially pernicious for girls who are victims of predatorial men, who get told it's okay to use a condom, and then get pregnant because they were bullied into taking an unnecessary risk.
We're not talking about adults here. This issue is real.
I'm not saying boys can't be targets of predators. I'm just saying they can't get pregnant that way.
Here's how I look at it...
Say, as a baseline, that 50% of teens are going to have sex, with 60% of them using protection.
In your hypothetical world, where we stigmatize teen sex and don't talk about protection, maybe 40% will have sex but only 40% of those will use protection.
In my hypothetical world, which is neutral to teen sex but de-stigmatizes talking about/using protection, maybe 60% of them have sex but 70% use protection.
Based on what I remember about being a teen (hormones, total disdain for authority figures, embarrassment about buying condoms), I'm of the opinion that your approach will lead to a slight reduction in the number of teens having sex, but a big decrease in the number using protection. My approach would lead to a small increase in the number of teen having sex, but a big increase in the number using protection.
"Say, as a baseline, that 50% of teens are going to have sex, with 60% of them using protection."
Your numbers are way off. Where are you getting them from?
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
"Based on what I remember about being a teen (hormones, total disdain for authority figures, embarrassment about buying condoms), I'm of the opinion that your approach will lead to a slight reduction in the number of teens having sex, but a big decrease in the number using protection."
I have been teaching now for several years, and one thing that never ceases to amaze me is how impressionable, and compliant my students are (the Gen Y's will believe almost anything).
It really does not take much to influence the behaviors of a high percentage of the current teenage population. Especially, if you are telling them that it is ok to follow the fairly constant urges of their instincts.
"My approach would lead to a small increase in the number of teen having sex, but a big increase in the number using protection."
I bet you cannot prove your assertion.
"embarrassment about buying condoms."
What is embarrassing about using the coin-op machines in public restrooms?
...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...
---Thomas Paine---
I guess you and I just have a different impression of what teenagers are like. Just because they nod and agree with everything you say, it doesn't mean they aren't still doing whatever they want behind your back.
I bet you cannot prove your assertion.
Birth control use among teens has gone up since 1993*. I think it is fair to say that sex-ed has become more pragmatic and open over the same time frame. Correlation does not equal causation, of course, but I'd love for you to provide studies showing that not talking about safe sex even correlates with positive results.
What is embarrassing about using the coin-op machines in public restrooms?
Making a special trip to a seedy gas station restroom? Check. Paying double the price than if you bought a box of condoms in a normal store? Check. The low-quality condom breaking and your girlfriend getting pregnant anyway? Check.
Ya, nothing to be embarrassed about there...
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http://www.kff.org/youthhivstds/upload/U-S-Teen-Sexual-Activity-Fact-She...
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_ATSRH.html
Ease of access does encourage.
Maybe you forgot your childhood, but I certainly remember in the 80s the cool kid in school was the one that actually had sex. By the end of the 90s the outcasts in school were the only ones who hadn't. Maybe you just grew up in too blue an area to ever have a conservative sexual culture.
It isn't fair to say that abstinence education never reduced numbers when kids are being bombarded by sexuality from everything else.
Okeee.
Yes, I mistyped the amount. $305 mil is not much of anything when it comes to federal funding. And there are plenty of bigger fish in the government money pool who eat up their share with much worse agendas in mind than encouraging safe sex.
As far as your accusations of bigotry, I can't imagine that me drawing a parallel between theocratic societies and backward-thinking is bigoted. Perhaps it was the words "Middle Eastern" that drew your attention. Lazy example, I know. Perhaps I could have referenced some small towns here in America, like the one I grew up in. Oh wait, that's probably where the people who made this ad are from....
But anything I said is so much less offensive and overblown than that ridiculous "petition" stating that Planned Parenthood exposes children to "pornography" and promotes random sex so they can kill more babies. Honestly, that's just asinine. This is the same logic that says the military/industrial complex starts wars only to make money.
You don't think they do? Then why don't they report statutory rape and incest cases to the police like the law requires?
If $305 million is not much, then I guess PPH can do without it. So let's give them nothing, which is what your perception of $305 million is. They can do it with donations from all their supporters.
-- A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Anyone care to change sides?
-- Saving baby whales and baby trees, but killing baby humans. Huh?
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If you lived ~100 yards from a PP storefront, what would you do? If you were in California, mind you.
I hope I don't overstep my bounds as a first time commenter, but this is an issue that I'm deeply passionate about. Having tried to have a baby for 11 years, my wife and I are finally blessed (July 12 is the day) to be having our first child. A group like Planned Parenthood that sees a baby as nothing more than a choice or, worse, an inconvenience to make profit from makes me sick to my stomach.
To the poster who said that in terms of federal money, $305 mil wasn't that much....be it $1 or $305 mil, any of my money sent to PP is too much.
The ad was a bit hoaky, but it made its point to the choir. No, I don't think it would change any minds that aren't already pro-life. It would be nice to see some serious public discussion on the airwaves. The debate seems relegated to nothing more than catchy bumper sticker slogans, and I think the issue of legal murder deserves more than that.
On the issue of birth control, the mantra that "kids are going to do it anyway, so providing them with contraception means less infection and less abortions so there's nothing wrong with it" sounds suspiciously like "women are going to do it regardless, so let's keep abortion safe and legal so they aren't dying from botched back alley abortions".
I don't believe at all that Planned Parenthood has any interest other than their own....making money. They do it by promoting promiscuous sex, which is done by giving out contraception. Sex is addictive, so when the time comes when a young couple doesn't have "protection", it's not that great a leap to "take a chance, this one time" without it. Two months later you have a 16 year old who had big plans for her life that is now burdened with the looming responsibility of a child, courtesy of a boyfriend who once told her he loved her and has now moved on to her next girlfriend who isn't pregnant with his child. So, now she has a "choice" to make....and guess what PP is hoping on.
Sorry, the people disgust me.
My two cents. Thanks.
Brian
Sweet Jeebus, that cartoon superhero is one of the most racist things I've ever seen produced in America.
That certainly goes into the "can you imagine if we did this?" category.
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