Big Rotation in the Financial Markets This Morning
And the wild ride continues
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US stock markets plunged about 250 points (more than 2%) on the open this morning. This move was anticipated by futures markets, and follows sharp recoveries overnight in Asian stock markets. Major stock markets in Europe are down anywhere from 2 to 4 percent.
A few minutes ago, US stocks spiked upward and are down 100 points as I write this.
The mood is very busy, but not frantic or panicked as it was yesterday. The key thing that appears to be going on is rotation out of the stock market by some very large institutions. One externally-visible piece of evidence for this is the bond market, which is on an absolute monster of a rally, with the yield on the 10-year note down to 3.34%. (The 10-year rate is the one that has the most to say about how much you pay for your mortgage. Two weeks ago it was around 3.80%. A year ago it was nearly 5%.)
A fair interpretation of this morning's action is that the large professional money managers have decided to cut their exposure to US stocks. This may be an expectation of recession ahead, but it's more likely to be uncertainty about the outlook.
Two key pieces of the news background: late yesterday, Apple Computer announced a huge December quarter, with profits and revenues both up by tens of percent. But investors were disappointed that the company didn't do even better. Apple's guidance for the current quarter was perceived to be weak, but they reported no slowdown in sales. In this environment, all news is bad news.
Another negative factor occurred in Europe overnight, as European Central Bank president Jean-Claude Trichet commented that the ECB is still concerned about inflation. Market observers had been hoping for an interest-rate cut to follow the Federal Reserve's emergency cut yesterday. That was disappointing. But the dollar is stronger against the euro this morning, suggesting that the markets expect the ECB to throw in the towel soon enough.
Crude oil is down sharply again. It looks like a lot of money is going on temporary loan to the US government. And that is likely to be the story for the near-term and possibly longer.
In politics, Congress and the Administration have accelerated their work on a Keynesian stimulus plan, with Majority Leader Reid promising to have a bill completed by late February.
They needn't bother. I don't know a single serious observer who expects that the government has anything on the table that can help either the markets or the economy. It's almost ridiculous to see our elected officials running around like chickens without heads. (And they barely have brains to begin with.)
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I get a lot out of these morning updates, Blackhedd, even if it's just in the "thank God someone intelligent is really watching these things and reporting accurately on them" sense. It's a little like that episode of the Simpsons where Homer is talking with the doctor:
Doctor: "We can't cure you, but we can tell you exactly what you're going to die from."
Homer: "What a world we live in!!"
And now I have a new sig:
It's almost ridiculous to see our elected officials running around like chickens without heads. (And they barely have brains to begin with.) -- Blackhedd
On a serious note, thanks again for your straight-up levelheadedness. I refer to your posts frequently as I digest this news myself and talk with friends.
on all this. The swings in the market are due almost entirely to psychology. It is very difficult to draw any long term or broader inferences from short term moves. Obviously, all of this is important if you are a trader, however I am always quite confused when layman, and I know you aren't black, begin to hyperanalyze the short term moves of the markets.
All the last few days really tell us is there is a lot of confusion and intensity in the markets, and frankly, there are very few times when that isn't the case.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor
In fact, that's something I say to people all the time: the market is like a moody person.
There are at least two reasons to pay attention to the market's mood swings:
First, they represent reality as the world understands it. And people make decisions based on perceived reality. In an environment that is as uncertain as this one, that translates into less risk-taking, and ultimately less economic activity.
Second, market psychology has a powerful impact on economic policy. And since this intersects with politics, it's a core concern of this web site.
It's perfectly good and correct to understand the market as psychological. In one sense, this might lead some people to consider that there is a more rational or scientific way to approach the various issues affecting the economic activity that we all depend on for our material wellbeing.
These people often become economists.
That's a problem because psychology is reality. It's ephemeral and hard to model, but it's what people base their decisions on.
But let me give you your due: you might perhaps be saying that today's markets are one thing, and tomorrow's will be completely different. That's a perfectly fine way to think about markets.
But what I try to do instead is to understand the basis for the psychology. That gives you some clues as to what it might do when it shifts. And the implication of a massive rotation out of the stock market by large institutions, is very different if it's based on simple uncertainty than if it's based on real expectations for a recession.
Where to begin, where to begin...
The importance of psychology to the market is one of the things I do worry about from time to time. We, especially conservatives supporting free, transparent markets, continue to believe in their effectiveness at distributing the most goods and services at the highest qualities while maintaining the lowest prices because we believe that somehow either a) the markets overcome the psychology of the irrational individual, or b) somehow that psychology is as important as a bean counters cash flow and balance sheet statements. I do believe they are at least the least bad method we've found for this, and yet I have these nagging doubts. Sometimes the market seems to exhibit mass hysteria in its swings. But mostly these days I am concerned about the institutional investors. They control large chunks of money in the market, large enough to make the so called robber barons look like, well, if not small fish, at most, medium fish in the pond. And we like to think they are pouring over the spreadsheets, the business forecasts, the management plans, the market conditions, etc. and basing their decisions about where to invest the money they've been entrusted with according to rational, even cold hard equations. But are they? Or is their psychology even more important to their decision making, and because of their relative influence on the market, more important to the economic state of the country?
Oh well. Oh the bright side, I've always thought that much of what Ronald Reagan accomplished when he came into office was psychological. He sort of gave us permission to be optimistic again, and with that optimism, we plowed through the tough times needed to get to the good times. The actual changes he made were still critical, but I'm not sure the changes would have been as effective were it not for his optimism. So maybe after we've been in the coming lean years for a while, someone else like him can come along and fix it again.
Which of course brings us to today and my other thoughts about market psychology and where things are going. The other day as I contemplated my measly twice monthly contributions to my 401(k) and whether or not I wanted to reorganize where my money was within my 401(k) my thoughts went sort of like this:
"Well, with Pelosi and Reid planning a Keynesian stimulus to the economy, knowing the knowledgeable poster on Red State thinks the US is already exporting its inflation, Fred out of the Presidential race effectively if not officially, and Dems controlling both houses of Congress and most Republicans heading for the high grass in defending our policies, where do I want to put my money for the next four years? Because at this stage of the game, it doesn't even matter if a Republican won, because of the Republicans, the only one with a Reaganesque plan for the economy is Guiliani and he'll be a disaster on the rest of it, and if he doesn't win Florida where McStifled speech is once again leading the polls, the Republican economic policy won't be any better than the alternative. I wasn't old enough for the Carter years to really affect me, but I do remember them, (and at least Iran didn' have The Bomb, which they will before the end of the next President's term) and they weren't exactly fun to come through... Ah! That's right, in times like these Gold is the answer! ... Wait a minute... I can't invest in gold via my 401(k). So I'm pretty much screwed no matter what. Guess I'll just adjust my future contributions to the Value Fund instead of my current split, and no reorg on the rest of it."
Now, I expect because of the way investments have been marketed for most of my life, that at least some other people who are anticipating the economic trouble ahead (with all of The Fed, Congress, and the White House are pushing the wrong solutions you can't avoid trouble) have forgotten that while unemployment was high under Carter, inflation under those policies were even worse. And even though my mother was making a hefty 12% on that money market fund that was my future college education, it was losing ground in real terms because inflation was even higher. So I wouldn't be surprised if they, and institutional investors were moving to bonds to stave off an anticipated stock market decline.
We live in interesting times.
and the Madness of Crowds is an awesome book... it's pretty old, but the phenomena is even older.
And the more the media fixates on the current blip, the self fulfilling prophecy becomes true.
Because of the move in the "T", rates dropped big time today, like 0.5% lower than yesterday.
Benchmark 30 year conforming fixed rate, fully documented income & assets, good-excellent credit... low 5's. This is significantly lower than we've seen in two years. It also won't effect the housing market.
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
That's a 640+ point swing today. Apple got back about half it's early losses and is down 16ish.
It's a rollercoaster ride!!!
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CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.
Now the question becomes, does the Fed cut next week, or do they say "we cut last week, we'll wait" and if that's the case, watch for the market to drop like a rock on the news. Does a 25bps cut do enough? Is the market already pricing in a 50bps cut?
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Two thirds of the world is covered by water,
the other third is covered by Champ Bailey.
there's plenty of time to get in if the market has turned. Probably see above average swings for a while until the bank issues are sorted out to the satisfaction of traders. The discussion of a bailout for the bond insurers really sent things rocking today. I'm a pretty aggressive trader (when I have the time) but am 90% cash at the moment. Made 5% today, but it was a real headache - I had the time to watch my charts real-time and will do my consulting work tonight. If I had meetings today, or was otherwise busy - I would not have participated - too dangerous.
Sold all my stock holdings in Nov when everything started looking confused.
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"Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm." -- James Madison

'Morning, Blackie,
Have you noticed the wild ride that Deere and Co. (DE) has been on over the past week or so? Somehow that seems emblematic of the wild ride of late - irrational volatility driven by nothing in particular....
"John Deere Green" must the color of the face of anyone who holds DE.
(Disclosure: I don't own any. Love their equipment though, some of which I *do* own....)