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Raise your hands if you are happy to read this.

No hands raised? Gosh, what a surprise.

I still happen to think that the fundamentals of the economy are quite sound. But let's face facts; when we learn that there was a decrease of 4,000 jobs instead of the expected increase of 110,000, we understandably are concerned that a recession might be around the corner. There remains plenty of time to head a recession off, of course, and I expect that the Federal Reserve will make a move to do so by cutting interest rates by at least 25 basis points at its next meeting (a cut of 50 basis points really wouldn't surprise me all that much; it is significantly more important to stimulate the economy at this stage than it is to fight inflation, which is relatively tame). But economists and financial forecasters have had a glimpse into the possible future and they don't like it one bit. And given my significant respect for the ability of futures markets to anticipate where we are going on certain matters, I have to admit that I don't like what I am reading about the possible course of the economy. Not one little bit.


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than expected. Been down this road for 6 years. I "expect" Expecters to provide the value I pay for their expectations - ZERO.

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
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"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson

Isn't there also some evidence from recent history to suggest that we can expect an upward revision in a month or so? "Ooops, did I say payrolls are down 4,000? I meant they're up 56,000. My bad."

Every single month in the leadup to the 2000 election, the initial reports would be MORE favorable, only to have to be revised downward a couple of months later.

In the leadup to the 2004 election, the expectations would always be high, only to be "unexpectedly" lower, and then again, to be revised upward a couple of months later when the actual figures came in.

Sure seems like bureaucracies lean left!

Come on, how long have Republicans been crowing about our awesome GDP growth (all due to Bush's tax cuts, of course), only to have GDP growth numbers revised down months or years later?

According to current BEA numbers, GDP grown has been totally mediocre under Bush, but Republicans are still excited about our awesome economy.

economy take off, huh! Especially after the tech bubble and 911. And upping cap gains rates might have wiped out poverty (defined as having only one house, two cars car and cable tv) for the first time in the history of Earth!

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson

GDP growth was better under Clinton than under Bush. Labor participation was better under Clinton than under Bush. Clinton consistently shrank the deficit, Bush has not.

Please continue to throw up your oh no, 70% tax rate! strawman and your tech bubble! 9/11! excuses, though. As though anyone wants to raise taxes that high or we've never had recessions or disasters before.

correction killing inflation and tax rate cuts. Clinton did a good job, esp after the Gingrich whuppin'. Bush has done a good job, esp given the tech bubble and 911. Another major factor in the 90's was the efficuency born of technology advances.

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
www.race42008.com
www.hinzsightreport.com
www.theminorityreportblog.com
"One man with courage makes a majority" - Andrew Jackson

Did you notice that June just got revised from +132k to +69k?
Did you notice that July just got revised from +92k to +68k?
That info got lost in the negative 4k instead of 100k shock.

Something like 64k manufacturing/construction jobs got lost. When we need something like 150k per month just to keep up with population growth even no net change is really a loss.

Despite the disappointing job figures, at least the government jobs were down, thank God for small favors. In terms of the prognosticators of doom: any economy that has had the run our has for the past six years, considering it was tinkering with major disruption on 9/12/01, has to take a breath. I'm sure there will be some dismal quarters, but in the long run, it should be able to withstand the storm in anticipation of the Dems to pull the rug out from under it completely in '08.

What "run" would that be?

A run of mediocre GDP growth? Under Bush, the best year (2004) had GDP growth of 3.6%. Under Clinton, we had 6 years better than that. Under Bush I, we had two years that were pretty close. Under Reagan, we had 4 years that were better and 2 years that were very close.

Or was it a run of mediocre job growth? Our labor force participation rate is down under 66% from a high of over 67% at the end of Clinton's term.

Or was the it the run of record deficits and debt?

There are so many "runs" to choose from, you are certainly right that our economy needs to take a breath.

than under Bush, and I'm just curious if you attribute the difference to any of the policies of either administration?

There are so many things that go into the economy, that is probably impossible to answer. I would say that it is possible that uncertainly over the war and over high deficits had some impact, and that these were things over which Bush had a significant amount of control.

Amazing, any talk of the economy brings out the Clinton lovers. The dude who inherited a solid economy and left Saddam in power. Clinton raised taxes on those earning 200,000. and a got a 1/6 of the expected revenues.
Bush takes over after the dot com bomb and the stock market melts to the tune of $7 trillion after the 9/11 attacks and goes to war and has the audacity to be the first president to lower taxes in a time of war. Yet, if the Bush tax cuts stay in place, there is a projected surplus by 2012.

Back to the recession bet, Democrats think that the deficit will be even lower without the tax cuts of 2001-2003. So in light of this, they don't seem interested in ensuring that Americans have as much income as possible to ensure that the mounting economic issues affect the consumer as little as possible. Thank God for the minority in blocking the uber spend and tax plans of this current crop of Democrats.
As for the Fed, what a pickle. Lower the interest rates a whole percentage point, the stock market takes off as well as the fuel prices. Or leave interest rates about the same or slightly less, say .25% less and the many more subprime borrowers can't refinance. With the lower interest rate scenario, maybe some of these subprime borrowers can refinance
and avoid foreclosure?

 
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