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Instead of explaining that "people I respect" claled the ad racist, he should have said something along these lines:

"This ad is about the content of Harold Ford's character, not the color of his skin, and for Harold Ford to cry wolf on the racism issue just shows how desparate his campaign is and how afraid he is to have his character called into question."

What he actually did was keep explaining how he couldn't pull the ad - instead of standing behind it. Yes, he said he didn't see a problem with it, but that was pretty weak tea compared to the response he could have given.

"Every time some nitwit college student burns a flag on camera, that's one less idiot who can ever run for public office." - Crank

For them to make the ad the focus of an interview with Ken Mehlman, when there are so many other campaigns and issues to talk about, tells me that the ad hit a nerve (which, with the liberals at NPR are hypersensitive, but still).

And as I post it, it's the lead story on the NPR homepage. Interview is here.

Silly, silly, NPR.

is what you superimpose over it. If YOU think there's something wrong with a white woman and a black man being together, then it's YOUR problem.

The RNC is only disavowing the ad to avoid an MSM storm.

...to encourage the right sort of MSM storm: one where the ad is rebroadcast for free.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

a swipe an McCain/Feingold. He made it VERY clear that he wasn't legally allowed to talk to the producers about pulling the ad. He seemed almost jovial while he explained that. 8*)

That whole act is a shame that really needs to be repealled. This is yet another example of the complete idiocy created by that legislation.

But you're right, the more "controversy" this ad creates, the more free play time it gets. It also gets a LOT of reactions nationwide from people like me who say "what racism?".

I abhore racism when it's real. I get a little irritated when others claim racism where there's none.

The people who claim this ad has any racist overtones whatsoever are telling us more about themeselves than about the ad.

"Every time some nitwit college student burns a flag on camera, that's one less idiot who can ever run for public office." - Crank

would say if the GOP had dared use a black Playboy bunny instead. I can hear it now. "Why did she have to be black? Over 30 years after Loving v. Virginia, which struck down laws against interracial marriage, the GOP STILL can't accept the idea of a black man dating a white woman."

"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher

"Why did she have to be black? Over 30 years after Loving v. Virginia, which struck down laws against interracial marriage, the GOP STILL can't accept the idea of a black man dating a white woman."

It is a forgone conclusion that the Dems will find SOMETHING to be outraged about...the only question was what would they select!

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"Like it or not, the image of a black man and a white woman still conjures up strong emotions in some people."

So we've seen: amusingly enough, they've all been Democrats.

You aren't going to win this one; too many of the people here were honestly surprised to hear that there was an obvious racial element to this. Including me: and I was raised as a Democrat, in a multiracial household* - so, believe me, I'm sensitive to this sort of thing.

Moe

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

*Sister, if it matters.

I'm certain that you and many others don't see any racial overtones in this ad. I certainly see nothing wrong with the imagery.

But there are people that do, both white and black. Ask a black guy if he ever gets dirty looks when he is out with a white girl. It most certainly does happen.

As I said I don't think that the ad makers are racists. However I do feel that they are either race baiting or incompetent at their jobs. Perhaps they simply were just looking for shock value but they SHOULD have known that this would upset people. And if that was their intent then they were race baiting.

"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were and ask why not." George Bernard Shaw

But does that excuse your condoning and re-eforcing that behavior by finding racism where there is none? Again the only racism here is what you superimpose over it. There's nothing wrong with interracial dating. If it makes you uncomfortable to even contemplate it while seeing this ad, then I suggest you examine your own values.

Or are you suggesting we outlaw interracial dating because some people might "think black men like white girls" and that's racist?

So you're going to ignore when I said, on numerous occasions, that I don't believe it is racism. And you're going to also ignore when I said I have no problem with mixed race dating.

Seems that you are the one trying to cast stones here.

Ironically you agree that there are people who DO get upset about seeing mixed race couples yet you don't think there is any chance that this ad might upset some people based on that bias. Ok.

"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were and ask why not." George Bernard Shaw

You're NOW saying it's not racists. On the base post you said we were denying race relations by suggesting there were no racial overtones. Which is it? If there's no racism, then why should we see racial overtones?

Yes, there are people who get upset over interrelations of races. That doesn't mean I should change MY behavior to conform to the racists. Doing so only validates their reactions. If YOU'RE upset by the thought of a white/black relationship, it's YOUR problem. Calling out racism when there is none only detracts from the effects when you call out true racism. Ever heard of the boy who cried "wolf!". That is the effect you and your side are having here. After a while no one believes you.

it's here:
http://www.redstate.com/stories/elections/2006/democrats_use_race_card_i...

But when I first saw this ad, race NEVER came to mind for me or my husband. In fact, I was laughing at the perfect representation of the "southern, beauty salon belle". The caricature of the over made-up, big-hair southern woman. It never occured to me that she was white and he was black. Being born and bred in the "racist" deep south, you would think that disgust would be my first reaction but maybe us southerners are ahead of some of those media types who see racism everywhere.

I can't find the mission statement on this new RedState site, so maybe I'm wrong.

But if I'm right, I wonder what flyerhawk is doing here...

"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher

I explained why I was here the last time you called me out.

"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were and ask why not." George Bernard Shaw

...the chaplain's gone over the hill.

Not that I was overruled on this one. I was merely asked by higher management to reconsider my specific decision, which I of course was happy to do; they don't ask often, and never frivilously.

Moe

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher

First, Congressman Ford has dated white women in DC. One of them went to school with me and was at Georgetown when they dated. If he wasn't a womanizer, this wouldn't be an issue.

Second, "Like it or not, the image of a black man and a white woman still conjures up strong emotions in some people. They aren't necessarily racist but they were brought up their whole lives with the impression that this 'wrong'." I disagree. Unless you know some voters you'd like to talk about who will base their vote on this then I don't see it.

Finally, would this ad be any different if Ford were white? The RNC's negative campaign is trying to portray Ford as someone who inherited his Dad's congressional seat, never worked a real job, and lived a party boy lifestyle of wealth and priviledge without earning it. The fawning women and the playboy party are both examples trying to illustrate the last part. I think the message would be the same regardless of his race. The RNC sure didn't treat Kerry much differently with respect to living off of unearned wealth.

That's my two cents at least.

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I think that the RNC made a mistake with that ad. They had all sorts of other stuff they were trying to stick on Ford. And they quite possibly were looking to do nothing wrong.

But if your job is to work with imagery then you KNOW that a white girl making tawdry suggestions to a black man is going to cause a stir. Madonna knew about this 15 years ago when she made that video with the black saintly figure that caused all sorts of a ruckus at the time.

FTR, I don't know if anyone will base their vote off this ad or not. But that isn't really the point.

"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were and ask why not." George Bernard Shaw

I didn't see the add as racist - to me the girl was just the stereotype of a Playboy bunny - a blonde airhead. If they had used a black airhead they would have gotten slammed for for suggesting that black girls are dumb. The message was fairly clear to me - Jr's a playboy, not Jr likes white women.

Not to get sidetracked, but the Madonna dustup wasn't because she kissed a black man, but because she kissed a saint - and many people thought it was supposed to be a black Jesus.

If they had used a black airhead they would have gotten slammed for for suggesting that black girls are dumb.

Or if they had used any other black woman they would be accused of being segregationists. "What, a black man can't date white women? People have to stick to their own kind?" Any ad run by Republicans must have racist overtones... we all know that's the only reason anybody votes Republican.
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you approve of puppetmaster Harold Ford, Sr.'s actual racism?

I just saw a woman of apparent low moral character soliciting Harold. It didn't occur to me that this was a white/black thing. But then I'm a Republican and race isn't the first thing I think of when I look at people or issues.

You say:

Like it or not, the image of a black man and a white woman still conjures up strong emotions in some people.

Actually, there is NO image of a black man and a white woman in this video. The "image" is entirely in your mind. Which is entirely where this "racism" exists...in the minds od Dems!

See The World In HinzSight!

Like it or not, the image of a black man and a white woman still conjures up strong emotions in some people.

So if I am seen in public with a black woman, I'm inciting racist feelings in other people. And in doing that, I'm being racist myself!

Your presence here continues to mystify everyone. Do you have incriminating IM's from the directors which you are holding over their heads?

"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher

OK, OK - how about this:

"In my opinion, saying that Harold Ford Sr. used the word "cracker" is not true, but it is accurate in terms of what he really feels."

Man, that felt GREAT! Maybe that's why the left does it all the time!

Now suffer the consequences for a few weeks.

...would stop assuming that this is a safe place to gay-bash.

Blam.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

The best part about tough elections is that it makes it impossible for the left to hide who they really are.

Thanks so much!

or update, or linked sources, or even a cursory response is disappointing.

I doubt I'm alone in hoping that we can look forward to substantiative pieces on Corker's strengths rather than further unsourced smears against Ford.

A cutesy name like this is not how you get banned. Look at bigstuNC: he did it properly - expressing homophobia, in his case - and so we tossed him properly.

Don't you dare take us for granted just because we're not charging for your Special Time.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

Asking to see how or where Harold Ford Jr. actually cried racism is taking you for granted?

I assumed that twice now on two different front page posts people definitively stated that Harold Ford Jr. cried racism that someone would have given an example by now.

Are you really gonna get pissed because this question is being asked?

...oh. You haven't really read the archives yet, have you?

'Kay: you probably want to see what word is usually used when we inform a drive-by troller that he or she is being shown the door; it's actually fairly notorious of us. And, given that you've managed to incorporate that into your name...

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

So[,] by this deletion you are admitting that you know what the truth is and prefer the lie.

HAROLD FORD NEVER SCREAMED RACISM. BELIEVING ANYTHING ELSE IS A LIE. THIS WILL BE DELETED, BUT MOE LANE KNOWS HOW HE'S FULL OF CR[*]P.

Yes[,] I know: "Blam!"

From the chubby fingers be[tter] suited for playing Halo* than actually shooting a real gun in a real war[:] [f]rom the comfy nook of his swivel chair[;] Moe Lane, coward[,] warrior and liar.

"Red State[.] [W]here liars come to make their tiny [redacted] look big[.]"

[*That is, of course, a filthy lie. I play Diablo II. But not Civilization IV: I wish to have an actual life. - Moe Lane]

This may be the first time that I've ever seen somebody switch to a second account before we actually banned the first one.

You are eager, aren't you? Fine, fine. Bye now.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

before letting people post?

These trolls are getting annoying...

And a bit too Kos-like for what I've come to expect here.

Anyway, thanks Moe.

They save the trouble of going to DU or Kos to see whats festering. Plus they make everyone here look better. Sort of the political version of the ugly wingman effect.

"Idle hands..." you know...
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If "pro" is the opposite of "con", what is the opposite of "progress"?

The best part about tough elections is that it makes it impossible for the left to hide who they really are.

Thanks so much!

"there has been an inappropriate level of putting words in Howard Ford Jr's mouth"

It's perfectly appropriate to the Red State Bolshievieks. They know its a lie and they don't care.

"Redstate: "Blam" Our editors play Halo."

I'm content to have this discussion among my political bretheren, thanks.

Thank you for this link. Everyone should read it.

The left is really blowing their cover. They should be careful...

Here's the link, in all its glory.

So, what was your point? By all means, be explicit about it.

Moe

PS: Just so you know: half the editors here have Fark bookmarked on their personal 'chines.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

>>So, what was your point? By all means, be explicit about it.

I work with someone who makes comments like you. This person is always causing trouble because their remarks are taken as offensive. As such, no one wants to work with this person as they find it difficult to brainstorm with them present.

I posted a piece of information about the subject being discussed and got one of the most condescending responses I've read in a long time. For future reference, calling someone "Sparky" is condescending. It just is. Also, "PS: Just so you know:" is also condescending.
Finally, "So, what was your point?" is also offensive to most people. It shows a lack of respect.

You must be a lefty, Sparky. You take such easy offense if being asked your point is offensive. You're probably going to find me VERY offensive even.

So I'm really curious: Why do you think we, on this political site, are interested in someone finding pictures of that person who's pictured in your link? Is she a candidate for office?

So anyway Sparky, after that patch me up with ICOR on the double, would you?.
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

So, what's your point?

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

>>Didn't answer my question, Sparky

Well, you can sure kiss a donation to this site good-bye.

(muttering offstage)

We have a donation button.

Huh: and here I was thinking that the Antarctic Space Nazis were fully funding us, and everything. Course, you need a Sherpa guide and a map to find the blessed thing, so that may be why.

Anyway, for the third - and last - time: What was your point, Sparky? Why did you bring up the Fark link? What were you trying to accomplish by it?

You aren't, you know, ashamed or anything to write it out, are you?

Moe

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

Original Comment:
I'm sure you all saw the Bob Corker headline on Fark right?

www.Fark.com

Look for the Wonkett link.

To me, this sure looks like a question and NOT a statement. A simple "Yes" or "No" would have sufficed. I keep re-reading my original question trying to figure out how it could have been interupted as a statment.

For the record, Moe directly linked to it. I linked to Fark.

If I say, "I'm sure all know that TycoonBrad (Sparky) beats his wife, right?" I'm really making a statement, despite the fact that I've included a question mark in my sentence. It's called a rhetorical question, Sparky, and the point of a rhetorical question is not to actually ask a question.

Second, by asking this rhetorical question, you clearly intended to either gauge our reaction, or point us in the direction of the information. So our question to you, Sparky, is why in the world you'd feel compelled to do such a thing.

To me, this sure looks like a question and NOT a statement. A simple "Yes" or "No" would have sufficed.

Mick had it all wrong - sometimes you get more than what you need or want, especially when you go poking others in the eye with a Pointy Stick™ like the one you're using, there. Sparky.

I keep re-reading my original question trying to figure out how it could have been interupted as a statment.

Just because you don't understand what a rhetorical question is, doesn't mean that the rest of us don't.

For the record, Moe directly linked to it. I linked to Fark.

Yes, well done there, Sparky. Your method required two clicks of the mouse-button; Moe's only one. Clearly, your hands are clean here.

"We could find a speck of dust and scribble down our life stories..." - The Refreshments

>>...or point us in the direction of the information.

You got it. Wow!

>>why in the world you'd feel compelled to do such a thing.

I expected some witty banter, but I was sorely dissappointed.

The thread dedicated to me has pretty much what I was looking for in my original post. They're talking about freakin Vampires. That thread is hilarious.

At least you've dropped the stupid "I was just asking a question," thing, and admitting that you were attempting specifically to accomplish getting us to look at the photos. Clearly, you were under the impression that we'd care.

Now, our question to you, Sparky, is why you'd think that we'd care. We're still waiting for an answer, and I expect that we will be for all eternity because, as someone noted upthread, most liberals don't like to admit it when they're engaging in gay-baiting.

"We could find a speck of dust and scribble down our life stories..." - The Refreshments

>>why you'd think that we'd care.
>>why you'd think that we'd care.
>>why you'd think that we'd care.

I would think Red State would like know what is being put out there. I'm sure you have a user base that sends you YouTube political ad's whether they are flattering to the candidate your infavor of or not. Do you chastize them when they post a link?

That's Mr. Sparky, to you.

Me like.

Glad the wife left the room!