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I Have Become A Ned Lamont Supporter
By Erick Posted in 2006 — Comments (14) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
I have become a Ned Lamont supporter. I want the Lefty Netroots to win. Yeah, it's tough. Lieberman has been a good senator. But, Cokie Roberts echos Machiavel from the other day, and I think they are both right. From Opinion Journal's Political Diary:
The late Hubert Humphrey and Henry Jackson, two titans of the Democratic Party who were swept aside by the McGovernites in their takeover of the party in 1972 over the Vietnam War, would understand exactly what is happening in Connecticut today. Cokie Roberts, the ABC News analyst who is the daughter of former Congresswoman Lindy Boggs of Louisiana, certainly gets the historical parallel. Yesterday she told ABC's George Stephanopoulos that a Lamont victory would be a "disaster" for the Democratic Party. "Pushing the party to the left, which is what's likely to happen, is pushing the party to the position from which it traditionally loses."
I want Ned Lamont to win.
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Within the Orthodox community, the move to vote Republican has already occurred. Progress has been made amongst the non-Orthodox who strongly identify with Israel but I fear there is a limit. The continuing identification with the Democratic Party of the 1960's is very strong; I'm always amazed by the stuborness of my friends and I doubt that a repudiation of Lieberman will be enough to move them. (But, as an aside, my Depression-era Roosevelt-era mother has flipped.)
I am more concerned with having honest good men in the Senate then I am with moving the entire Democratic Party to the left. There will always be democrats or an opposition party to the Republicans, but the days of honest opposition and hard working good men like Lieberman are numbered.
Furthermore, with a Senate majority potentially at risk, I'd rather have a swing vote on national security issues go to Lieberman over someone like Lamont, who is really quite clueless.
Win or lose today, Lieberman will win in November, either is a Democrat or an independent.
I'm not so sure. Lieberman got high marks for his public rebuke of Clinton on the Lewinsky scandal, but then took a dive when the real issue came to the Senate floor. Lieberman has put party before consistency before, and I wouldn't put it past him to do so again.
Sure, we can tactically speaking how for the party and possibly conservatism a Lamont win would be.
However, for the health of this nation, Lieberman had better win. We would be talking about a whole sect of this country being cut out of political discussions. At that point we would only have democrats screaming for Bush's head and retreat, e.g. the hating democrats. Not Good.
As an Indie in November...
"Always be honest with yourself even if you are honest with no one else...
...It helps you keep track of your lies..."
--Myself
I'm not sure that the Dem party doesn't primarily consist of those hating types already, but has leaders who have managed to mask it for the last 20-30 years. If the mask comes off today in the Lieberman race, the Dems will face a choice: rebuke the haters amongst themselves, or be eliminated from consideration for responsibly holding power in this country. Either way the country wins. It might take 5-15 years for a third party to arise and become the new loyal opposition, but it can happen. But it can only happen when the truth is exposed and confronted.
...never let the other side get any momentum, ever. In sports, momentum brings new energy to tired legs, and in politics it brings new money to tired activist organizations. Look at winning coaches. They never coast. Never.
Lamont wins the primary. Lieberman wins reelection as an independent. The Dems go down in flames.
I like it.
PS to Cokie: The Dems, by and large, are already there.
I tired to ping this post.
Great Article.
http://thespisjournal.blogspot.com/2006/08/ghost-light-thespis-glow.htm
Thank you.
Thespis
...so do the Republicans -- just as nature abhors a vacuum, so does politics (and politicians). Which is why, while I like to see the Dems self destruct (of which a Lamont victory is emblematic), I'm still conflicted by it -- I know what happens next.
The crazier the Dems get, the more freedom the Republicans have to act in non-conservative (heck, in full-on Great Society-style capital 'L' Liberal) ways. Just look at the "accomplishments" of the last few years and listen to the current "republican" line: "What are ya gonna do? Vote for THEM? Say hello to Speaker Pelosi! John Conyers, future House Judiciary Chairman, wants to impeach the president over Iraq -- you gonna put HIM in power?? Ha ha ha ha!"
Talk about a consequence-free environment for Republican politicians. They can do ANYTHING and still retain their seat: 'cause their opponents are barking mad. 'We suck -- but those guys are nuts' is not an inspiring re-election slogan.
Take my own congressman: a VERY safe republican in an extremely conservative district -- yet he voted against all nineteen of the Flake amendments. Why? Because he can, and the Flake amendments would have limited the extent of any Congressman's power -- and besides, why should he care if his constituency is P.O.ed. It's not like we're gonna vote for his Pelosi-supporting Chomsky-quoting BDS-afflicted opponent. Sigh.
So, regrettably, I find myself wishing for a sane Democratic party -- liberal, but rejecting suicidal Chamberlainism with regards to our existential fight with militant Islam. At least then, threats to vote against the wobbly RINOs or powermad "conservative" republicans in favor of the Dems wouldn't be laughable -- and ignored.
A Lamont victory is not a step towards a sane Democratic party -- so I hope Lieberman, true-blue liberal that he is, pulls this one out.
but the past does not dictate the future.
BDS helped produce W's victory in 2004 because so many people thought the war against Islamofascism was being won & all we had to do was finish it off.
Now that it's turning out to be more difficult than we (meaning "voters") expected, there's no shortage of people who are changing their minds about it - the potential for significant Dem gains is there.
While I hope never to live under Dem majorities in the House or Senate again, if it happens, I want the Dems elected to be as close to sanity as they can get.
That's not Lamont or his supporters - they're fully developed, "drink the BDS Kool-Aid" netroot nuts.
There's NOTHING to be gained by them having any electoral success and no assurances that, once elected, they'll quickly demonstrate they're not ready for governing.
Especially when their allies in the MSM will do everything in their power - which is still considerable (how do you think W's poll rankings got so low) - to protect them.
It was not proving any harder whatsoever than expected. Or even than advertised. In fact, it's proving Far easier and less painful (casualty-wise) than those of us in the military had any right to expect.
What it Is proving to be is a much Longer process than the even the educated public is happy with or expected. Not that they were any more right to expect a short spat than the uneducated boobs were...
"Always be honest with yourself even if you are honest with no one else...
...It helps you keep track of your lies..."
--Myself

The irony is: this past weekend, Democrats were told in a strategy session that to win close races in November, they must get 2 out of 3 moderates to vote for them.
Also, of all of the potential Democratic presidential nominees, the only one with an "unacceptable" percentage of 54% or higher (54% of Democrats polled found him unacceptable) was Howard Dean.
So, while I'd prefer to see Democrats in office that negotiated rather than engaged in Mexican stand-offs with the majority party, I agree with Erick and Cokie that bowing to the Lamont wing of the party will chafe those Democrats that the party needs to win over in the swing states.
How, exactly, should Jewish voters who have supported the war in Iraq perceive this move by Democrats who, like Mel Gibson and Cindy Sheehan, believe that Jews are responsible for all of the wars in the world? Jewish people are not stupid. They will likely remain in the Democratic Party because they identify with the Democratic Party of the past, but they will begin voting for Republicans in certain races.
Conservative Jewish voters, many of whom idolize Senator Lieberman for his uncompromising Jewish identity, are already considered a key swing group. Next to alienating black voters and/or Hispanic voters, this is probably the dumbest thing that the Krazy Kos Kids™ could've done this year.
Romney/Coburn 2008 = Unbeatable