I'm Jumping Ship

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Folks, you all know me. You know that my philosophy in guiding RedState has always been "conservative in the primary, Republican in the general."

Well, today I'm jumping ship.

There's a Libertarian down in Texas that I think we all should support. The Republicans down in TX-22 were, I guess, so shell shocked from losing Tom DeLay, that they found the person with the hardest name to spell and put her up as a write in candidate. She's polling behind the Libertarian.

Friends, it's time to help the Libertarian.

Besides, it'd be cool to have someone named "Smither" in Congress. We could all go around talking like Mr. Burns.

CONTRIBUTE NOW.


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Seriously, is this a joke?

No by Erick

It's no joke.

Its very hard to call a Libertarian a Conservative. I jokingly like to call Libertarians "selfish liberals" because they think just like a liberal, but want to keep their own money.... Not that there is anything wrong with wanting to keep your own hard earned money, but you get my point.

To support the libertarian is not thinking Conservative in any part of the political process. At least you will be one member of Red State who will no longer be able to insist that I vote for any more RINOs to save us from Speaker Nancy Moonbat Pelosi.

And not all Libertarians are equal. Unfortunately years of Republicans appealing to libertarians, combined with years of Republican control of the Congress, have led to a Libertarian party controlled by left-leaning libertarians.

But not all of them are that way right now. The Libertarian candidate for Governor of California, for example, is pushing hard an anti-illegal immigration stance, which is directly at odds with the national party's open borders stance.

Plus, don't forget: the Republican on the ballot is Tom Delay. The Republican candiate, Sekula-Gibbs, is a write-in.
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

There is no Republican on the ballot and all good Republicans know that they need to write in Shelley Sekula-Gibbs' name :-)

There is no Republican on the ballot and all good Republicans know that they need to write in Shelley Sekula-Gibbs' name :-)

It's funny how terms can be changed over time as far as what people interpret them to mean. Barry Goldwater, one of the founders of true conservative thinking, would be considered a liberal by today's definitions. True conservatism means supporting minimal federal government intrusion and involvement in citizens' lives, both personal and fiscal. And so by that measure, the libertarian platform is absolutely conservative.

I like to say that Libertarians are what Republicans used to be, before they got corrupted by the system and special interests.

If I lived in Mr. Smithers' district, I would absolutely vote for him.

"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
-William G. McAdoo

From his 1964 acceptance speech (yes the extremism in the pursuit of liberty speech):

The good Lord raised this mighty Republic to be a home for the brave and to flourish as the land of the free-not to stagnate in the swampland of collectivism, not to cringe before the bully of communism.

Goldwater on fighting a necessary war for freedom:

Yesterday it was Korea. Tonight it is Vietnam. Make no bones of this. Don't try to sweep this under the rug. We are at war in Vietnam. And yet the President, who is Commander-in-Chief of our forces, refuses to say - refuses to say, mind you, whether or not the objective over there is victory. And his Secretary of Defense continues to mislead and misinform the American people, and enough of it has gone by.

And I needn't remind you, but I will; it has been during Democratic years that a billion persons were cast into Communist captivity and their fate cynically sealed.

Goldwater the 'neocon':

I know this freedom is not the fruit of every soil. I know that our own freedom was achieved through centuries, by unremitting efforts by brave and wise men. I know that the road to freedom is a long and a challenging road. I know also that some men may walk away from it, that some men resist challenge, accepting the false security of governmental paternalism.

And I pledge that the America I envision in the years ahead will extend its hand in health, in teaching and in cultivation, so that all new nations will be at least encouraged to go our way, so that they will not wander down the dark alleys of tyranny or to the dead-end streets of collectivism. My fellow Republicans, we do no man a service by hiding freedom's light under a bushel of mistaken humility.

Some liberal.

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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

"During my lifetime, most of the problems the world has faced have come from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it." - Thatcher

I didn't say Goldwater was a liberal, I said because the "definitions" of what constitutes liberal and conservative have changed, on several issues today Goldwater's stance could be construed as liberal, even though by the true definition of conservatism they are not. But here are some more Goldwater quotes for you:

"A lot of so-called conservatives don't know what the word means. They think I've turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right."

and

"There is no place in this country for practicing religion in politics. That goes for Falwell, Robertson and all the rest of these political preachers. They are a detriment to the country."

Now today, there are a lot of people who think that those statements would be a betrayal of conservatism, because they do not understand what true conservatism means. That's my whole point.

"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
-William G. McAdoo

You are quoting the liberal Goldwater of the 1990's, not the Goldwater of the 1960's who was a leader in the conservative movement.

You just called Goldwater a liberal, which, if you truly understand the principles of conservatism you would know that even his 1990s statements are NOT liberal. Your statement is the embodiment of what I am talking about when I say that the definitions of what some consider to be conservative and liberal have changed.

For the record, advocating for the government to stay out of citizens' personal lives and private choices, and for keeping religion out of politics are ABSOLUTELY conservative standpoints. So in all respects, the 1990's Goldwater was every bit still the conservative that the 1960's Goldwater was. He never changed, the perception of folks like you did.

"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
-William G. McAdoo

“Man’s most sacred possession is his individual soul”

"The Conservative believes that man is, in part, an economic, an animal creature; but that he is also a spiritual creature with spiritual needs and spiritual desires. What is more, these needs and desires reflect the superior side of man’s nature, and thus take precedence over his economic wants. Conservatism therefore looks upon the enhancement of man’s spiritual nature as the primary concern of political philosophy."

To wit:

"However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.'"

"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
-William G. McAdoo

Is already in the Senate.

"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill

Erick, CEO of Red State,

On behalf of the entire libertarian movement, I believe I speak for all my brethern, both within the Libertarian Party and the Republican Liberty Caucus (and probably Cato, Reason Magazine, and the rest of the movement), weh I extend to you a hearty and warm deeply felt appreciation for the bold move that you have just made.

I've already alerted the Campaign Manager for the Smither Campaign. No doubt they will be able to use this to attract GOP voters in the Houston area. You might have just been the the spark that ignites the fire that will win this seat for Smither (and the GOP). And you might have just single-handidly saved the US House from going Democrat.

You are a true champion of the Republican Party and of American values. As a Navy Veteran, I salute you Sir.

Sincerely,

Eric Dondero,
Former Senior Aide, US Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX)
Founder, Republican Liberty Caucus
Former Libertarian Party National Committeeman

www.mainstreamlibertarian.com

Correction! I do not believe that Tom DeLay's name remains on the ballot. My understanding is that when voters walk into the booth they will see 3 options:

Nick Lampson, Democrat

Bob Smither, Libertarian

Click here for Write-in option

Eric Dondero
www.mainstreamlibertarian.com

I guess I fell behind on that detail, thanks.

In any case, my understanding is that Sekula-Gibbs is only on the ballot for the special election to replace Delay for this Congress. So this isn't a matter of endorsing an L over the R on the ballot.
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

But I like the rest of his points.
Also, does Sekula have any chance at all of winning?
If not, then it's time to be practical and do what it takes to keep a Dem out of that seat.

-1R/+0D is a better ending for that seat than -1R/+1D...

"Always be honest with yourself even if you are honest with no one else...
...It helps you keep track of your lies..."
--Myself

Sekula-Gibbs has no chance.

You have to go to the issues section and then click "read more" after youver looked at the summary of each position.

He does have the familiar libertarian ideas that we probably should not have gone there but it seems his stance is: we should figure out how to turn over power to the Iraqis, we should in no way trust the UN to do the job, and something you dont hear from anyone else, we should establish private ownership of Iraqi oil and talks about how private ownership is the way to democracy.

http://www.smither4congress.com/wars_the_constitution_and_foreign_entang...

"Always be honest with yourself even if you are honest with no one else...
...It helps you keep track of your lies..."
--Myself

You couldnt find his position on the war so I was trying to help out.

You're welcome! :-)

Besdies, I dont live in Texas, but if I did live in that district, ABSOLUTELY i would vote for him since he actually has a better shot than that other write in republican...what's-her-name.

Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. -Ronald Reagan

Thoough it Does come across that way, now that I look at it again...

"Always be honest with yourself even if you are honest with no one else...
...It helps you keep track of your lies..."
--Myself

If Mr. Smithers is anything like libertarian Ron Paul (R-TX), then he will be much better than Mr. Lampson. As "Independent" Sanders moves to the Senate, it wouldn't hurt the right to have members not inside the Republican Party. The big question is who Smithers would vote for as Majority Leader. If he is willing to commit to caucusing with the Republicans, then it is in the best interest of Republicans in TX-22 to vote for Smithers.

Social Security Choice - Club For Growth

"Over the past week many voters suggested that I consider filing as a Republican since I have indicated I will caucus with the GOP. I appreciate their support and reiterate that if elected I will be supporting the Republican choice for Speaker of the House..."

http://www.smither4congress.com/the_only_candidate_on_both_special_and_g...

of Ron Paul but this guy looks like a much better prospect than the GOP write-in. He'd certainly be a lot better than the Democrat.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

Erick,

What's Smither's position on abortion and same-sex marriage? I can't find anything on his website about it.

Sounding the Trumpet blog

But I guarantee it is to the right of Nick Lampson.

"During my lifetime, most of the problems the world has faced have come from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it." - Thatcher

"During my lifetime, most of the problems the world has faced have come from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it." - Thatcher

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If "pro" is the opposite of "con", what is the opposite of "progress"?

"During my lifetime, most of the problems the world has faced have come from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it." - Thatcher

"During my lifetime, most of the problems the world has faced have come from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it." - Thatcher

by trying to mount this write in campaign with a write in candidate with a hard to spell name. Particularly when the Libertarian has pledged to caucus with the GOP. He'd probably be no less liberal on social issues than the RINOs who are in the house currently.

Doesn't the NRCC always say it is better to vote for a RINO to keep control of the Congress than a Democrat? Sekula-Gibbs is a conservative yes but does she really stand a chance as a write-in? How liberal with the election clerks be in determining voter intent?

I'd tend to agree with Erick on this one.

Bob has said repeatedly, and this has been quoted all over the press, that he would "officially Caucus with Republicans and vote for Dennis Hastert for Speaker of the House" if he is elected.

On Pro-Life, Bob leans towards Ron Paul on this. My understanding is that he's not a hardcore Pro-Lifer, but is definitely in the "general" Pro-Life camp, absolutely opposing government funding of abortions.

Bob is way over on the conservative side of the Libertarian Party spectrum. Yes, there are many Libertarian looney tunes who lean Liberal in the Libertarian Party. Bob is definitely not one of them.

Eric Dondero
www.mainstreamlibertarian.com

I may have to reconsider if he's pledging to vote for Hastert ;)

Hopefully he won't have to -- the GOP will come to its senses and put up Shadegg or Pence.

An answer to many of your questions may be found here:

http://isodes.blogspot.com/2006/08/10-questions-with-bob-smither.html

We appreciate your support.

K Tunstall
Smither Campaign

I like Smither's answer, #4e, among others. However, I imagine many here will not appreciate his answer #5...

and bravo to Erick!

I live in Angleton, 20 miles south of the CD-22 District line. We've been trying to get the GOP to back Bob for months now. Some have. Red State has joined them. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

Eric Dondero
www.mainstreamlibertarian.com

I live next to Tx CD22, and I don't appreciate your doing this, quite frankly.

There's been a very active libertarian wing of the GOP for 15 years now. It's called the Republican Liberty Caucus. There's also fusion tickets in states like Vermont, New Hampshire and even New York, where Libertarians routinely run on the GOP line. Ron Paul does basically the same in Texas. He's a Libertarian INSIDE of the GOP's Tent. Bob is like a Libertarian at the Tent's door.

Eric Dondero
www.mainstreamlibertarian.com

I'll make you this promise. The Bob Smither campaign will outwalk and outwork Sekula-Gibbs in the last 3 weeks of this campaign, and the vast majority of his walkers will be Republicans.

Bring it on!

Eric Dondero
www.mainstreamlibertarian.com

That would be the Libertarian.

This is counter-productive. Republicans in the district aren't too stupid to write in "Sekula-Gibbs," especially when the name appears on the special election ballot list above.

No "Libertarian" has ever been elected to Congress, though. Ron Paul runs as a Republican. If he is a Libertarian, why doesn't he run as one?

I'll tell you why: because the GOP would field a candidate against him, and he would lose. So much for the "courage of Liberatarian convictions," eh?

You say the Libertarians have no chance of winning elections?

Over 500 Libertarians currently serve in public offices as high as Mayor and County Supervisor all over the United States. In fact, just two weeks ago, Libertaian Sara Chambers won a seat on the Juneau City Council in Alaska. That's the State Capitol!

For a list of elected libertarians nationwide: www.mainstreamlibertarians.com

Eric Dondero
www.mainstreamlibertarian.com

Over 500 Libertarians currently serve in public offices as high as Mayor and County Supervisor all over the United States. In fact, just two weeks ago, Libertaian Sara Chambers won a seat on the Juneau City Council in Alaska.

Really, you're serious? That's a amazing! Mayor? County Supervisor? City Council? A future national party for sure! Let me know how things go for Ms. Chambers in Juneau.

A precedent embalms a principle.
- Disraeli

You were dissing the Libertarian Party, I was not talking about libertarians elected as Republicans. You want some bigtime libertarian Republican elected official names?

You got it broh!

Congressman Butch Otter, about to be elected Governor of Idaho

Sara Palin, Wasilla Mayor, about to be elected Governor of Alaska.

Congressmen Ron Paul of Texas, Dana Rohrabacher of Calif., Tom Feeney of Florida, and Jeff Flake of Arizona.

US Senator John Thune of South Dakota.

Fmr. New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson.

And over 30 state legislators from Maine to California, most of whom are friends with the Libertarian Party but have been elected as Republicans.

Oh, and did I forget to mention fmr. Bush Cabinet Appointee Gayle Norton, Interior Secretary. Gayle, as you probably know was the State Chair of the Colorado Libertarian Party in the early 1980s.

Eric Dondero
www.mainstreamlibertarian.com

"During my lifetime, most of the problems the world has faced have come from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it." - Thatcher

This was a huge issue in his 1996 Campaign for Congress. He was identifed EVERYWHERE as a lifetime Libertarian Party member. And Congressional District 14 elected and reelected him 4 times.

Have you ever heard of fusion candidates? One can be a member of the Libertarian Party and run as a Republican at the same time. There's nothing at all wrong with this.

Eric Dondero
www.mainstreamlibertarian.com

Republicans in the district aren't too stupid to write in "Sekula-Gibbs," especially when the name appears on the special election ballot list above.

Writing it in would take 5 seconds. Dialing it in takes more like 5 minutes.

Okay maybe I'm exaggerating, but not by much.

Also in the past Texas has disqualified write-in ballots where the names have been misspelled.

What kind of voting machine is that? It looks like a palm pilot without the stylus... what a horrible interface.
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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson

What sort of creature is it that deserts a ship it perceives to be sinking?

I think a father with kids to look out for is one such creature...
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

We want both the Republican and Democratic parties to become more conservative.

The libertarian laissez faire attitude toward nearly every issue (including foreign policy, one should note) is, in the main, out of keeping with conservative principles.

"During my lifetime, most of the problems the world has faced have come from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it." - Thatcher

Speak for yourself. Many of us DO NOT want the Republican Party to become more "conservative" but rather more "libertarian."

The GOP is a 3-pronged coalition of moderates, conservatives and a fast growing libertarian wing.

The moderates and conservatives have had long enough to control the Party. Time for them to step aside and let us libertarians return the Party back to its Goldwater roots.

Eric Dondero
www.mainstreamlibertarian.com

"During my lifetime, most of the problems the world has faced have come from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it." - Thatcher

You might want to read what Goldwater actually believed before you start calling for a "return" to him. He was actually a conventional conservative, not a libertarian.

Read his book.

He was absolutely NOT a Conservative, though Conservatives love to claim that he was. Goldwater was "fiscally conservative/socially tolerant and Pro-Defense" the precise definition of a libertarian.

Hell, he even supported marijuana legalization.

Eric Dondero
www.mainstreamlibertarian.com

If you're talking about the 1980s Goldwater, he's not the one that helped kick off movement conservatism. He's not the one that Reagan speechified for. He's not the one that wrote Conscience of a Conservative.

He's not the only great conservative to go wobbly as he got on in years, either. Look at WFB. Going soft on CFR and the War on Terror, it's a good thing he knew to give up NR before it was too late.
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

you would rather keep the existing 2 party system than have any credible alternative.

Rather than toss out a bunch of points of common libertarian views, most of which are well known, can you point out why they are, as you say, 'out of keeping with conservative principles' ? There are only two I can see - gays (certainly bad for religious conservatives) and interventionalist foreign policy (a neo-con policy).

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Surely you can think of more issues than those on which conservatives and libertarians might disagree....

"During my lifetime, most of the problems the world has faced have come from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it." - Thatcher

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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson

The top of the ticket Libertarian in California is strongly opposed to illegal immigration, while the leading Republican in the US is pretty much in favor it.

So yes, there's strong disagreement there, heh.
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

Gideon 1787....can you please show me an example of the "libertarian laissez faire attitude toward nearly every issue (including foreign policy,"

I would be curious. Facts...not hearsay please.

http://www.catostore.org/pdfs/P&F%20Chapter%201.pdf

First chapter of book by Cato's Ted Galen Carpenter, VP for Defense and Foreign Policy Studies. If that link doesn't work, go to the bottom of the following page, and click on teh link to the first chapter:
http://www.catostore.org/index.asp?fa=ProductDetails&method=cats&scid=19...

Read the whole thing.

Here's one telling sentence:
"It is even more accurate to say that terrorism is a backlash against Washington's meddlesome global interventionist foreign policy..." (see p. 5)

It's not the only telling sentence. The prescription is for a "radically different US foreign policy" (see p. 3). This foreign policy is laissez faire: withdraw troops from our foreign bases, stop intervening in foreign struggles, act militarily only in response to an attack on the U.S.

"During my lifetime, most of the problems the world has faced have come from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it." - Thatcher

CATO is a think tank, not the LP.
Many LP members, uncluding myself, no longer believe CATO to be libertarian. Simply look at their funding and see who's views they are pushing.

That said, perhaps you are misinterpreting laissez faire.

see ya around, chuckles
thanks for the laughs

"During my lifetime, most of the problems the world has faced have come from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it." - Thatcher

the term laissez faire refers to economics and individual liberty. It has nothing to do with national defense.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/laissez%20faire

CATO also supports NAFTA & CAFT. Obversely, LP members see these agreements as a threat to our sovereignty. We are not one in the same. Thanks for asking.

you asked for an example. i gave you one. you have made no substantive response. you chose instead to argue with my use of laissez faire.

but thanks for letting us all know you can be safely ignored.

"During my lifetime, most of the problems the world has faced have come from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it." - Thatcher

Very interesting post. Fits eerily into our Libertarian theme over on RightLinx today:

http://www.rightlinx.com/?p=422

is anything but conservative.

The LP was founded upon, and has run campaigns nationally for decades upon: open borders, abortion on demand, repeal of all drug laws, no foreign military bases, no military presence upon the high seas (no Navy, but the Coast Guard is okay with them), no federal pornography laws, no restrictions by age upon the right to contract, and a long litany of other positions most conservatives would reject out of hand.

Now, if you are an "anarcho-libertarian," or a "capitalisto-libertarian," or a "Republican with libertarian leanings in some areas," those are all quite different things from the Libertarian Party platform which has been consistent for decades.

If this Smithers fellow wished to become a "Republican with libertarian leanings," it would have been rather smart of him to declare this immediately upon the decision that DeLay could not be replaced on the ballot.

SO, either he is not very smart, or he does not wish to repudiate those weird Libertarian positions which garner less than 1/2 of 1% of the national vote.

Write in Sekula-Gibbs. If we are to lose, let us lose with a conservative Republican instead of some fringe nutcase.

 
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