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So...how do you put candles in nachos?

"I'm kind of old-fashioned. I like to engage my brain before my mouth." Donald Rumsfeld

you buy nacho cake of course.

"I'm just beginning...The pen's in my hand...Ending unplanned"

"I'm just beginning...The pen's in my hand...Ending unplanned"

I'm afraid I don't get what all the excitment is about.

will now be spun from the resignation of a slimy representative to a full blown cover-up with the speaker (according to Rodney Alexander) having known of these emails since February! This is not what we need to be talking about thirty-some-odd days out from a very tight election.

The left blogs and the media are all over this!

Is there something I’m missing?

"The Road To Freedom Is Seldom Traveled By The Multitude" Madhouse Thought

any documented evidence that the leadership ever had such knowledge; I don't think the tightness of the House fraternity goes quite so far as to cover up this sort of thing.

The left blogs have been all over Bush's Lies for years. Their fevered imagination is well known.

A "cover up" seems to imply some actual wrong doing. Hitting on a page is not a crime, as far as I know. The young man asked that the matter be dropped. Where does the cover up come in?

if you read the instant messages from the congressman that were publicized after the e-mails. The e-mails pale in comparison, and I think that they go well beyond "hitting on a page."

if you know when those instant messages were made known, and by whom.

But, my comment wasn't really about that. I just disagree with the characterization that what Foley did wasn't wrong.

The homosexual part? The age difference?

If you really must ask, then I am afraid we are operating on quite different wavelengths.

Legally consenting adults? In D.C., that means 16 or older.
Did they file any complaints or charges of sexual harrassment?
Do they or their families agree with the publicizing with private correspondence between the pages in question and the Congressman in question?

Not one of these questions has been answered.
Furthermore, IF what he did was so horribly wrong and despiccable, not to mention illegal, then he needs to be prosecuted, but so does Everyone who had knowledge of and access to the IMs in question. Holding that info for so long only to release in the manner and at the time that they did could be Easily argued as Withholding Evidence and/or several other potential crimes that I can't think of the names for (they all have to do with interfering with an investigation).

What he did was creepy and gross, as far as most of us are concerned. But was it really illegal? Was it really so horrible?

"Always be honest with yourself even if you are honest with no one else...
...It helps you keep track of your lies..."
--Myself

I'm beginning to think that I don't so much, anymore.

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire

I've lost the plot somewhere along the way, the defense of the indefensible act of an older man sexually hitting on a very much younger man/child. To what end would or could this behavior, even if not illegal, be defended?

I just don't get it.

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Another South Park Republican spouting off !

Earlier today you were commenting on how the up-tight Conservatives in CA wanted to stamp out homosexuality. Now, I find you here expressing your concern that one man is hitting on another. I thought you were hip, Steve. I thought you felt that peoples sex lives were their own business and government should keep its nose out. Was I wrong?

Such a silly game, gotcha is.

There is quite a difference between what consenting adults want to do in the privacy of their own homes and the actions of Congressman hitting on what effectively is a member of his staff. It would be just as bad in my book if it was not a homosexual relationship at play and the congressman was hitting on a 16 year old girl. As to consistency, it falls into the same area in which Clinton was guilty in my book, work place sexual harassment. As a male who has had to undergo many hours of training in on that very topic, I am especially offended by both Foley and for that matter Clinton.

So why are you defending Foley or making up excuses for his behavior based on the forces of the Left holding the information for use now. Is maintaining hold on power to advance your views so important that you would compromise? I thought you were from the "No Compromise" on any moral issue side of the house.

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Another South Park Republican spouting off !

So why are you defending Foley or making up excuses for his behavior based on the forces of the Left holding the information for use now.

Well, you are the one claiming that (a) a crime was committed and that (b) the House leadership knew about it and did nothing. I'd worry more about defending my own position if I were you.

By all accounts the facts are these. There was a slightly odd email exchange between Foley and one page. Nothing lewd or obscene, just a little wierd. Congressman Alexander did not pass these emails to Boehnor or Hastert, citing the family's wish for privacy and that the matter be dropped. This information was widely available, including to several newspapers, all of which sat on it, likely because Foley was gay and they don't like to out gays, and also because its doubtful that they showed any real wrongdoing.

CREW, a Soros group, somehow got hold of these IM's, which go back perhaps three years and concern a different page, age unknown. These were not seen by anyone in the House leadership. At least, not the GOP leadership. When they emerged recently Foley was forced out.

We now return to the witch hunt already in progress.

For now, only time will tell if your version of events hold up or if this turns into a very bad day.

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Another South Park Republican spouting off !

Here.

"On July 14, 1983, the House Ethics Committee concluded that U.S. Rep. Dan Crane (R-Ill.) and U.S. Rep. Gerry Studds (D-Mass.) had engaged in sexual relationships with minors. The minors in question were 17-year-old congressional pages."

Note that these were actual sexual relationships, not email or IM exchanges.

The outcome;

"Crane, who tearfully apologized for his transgression, lost his bid for reelection in 1984. Studds, however, refused to apologize (even calling a press conference with the former page, in which both stated that they were consenting adults at the time of the relationship and that it was therefore not the business of others to censure them for their private relationship), and he continued to be reelected until his retirement in 1996."

Somehow the Democrats who come here to wag their fingers at us never seem to be the same ones who vote in the elections. Or else they are hypocrites, which is the worst thing you can call any liberal.

Wow. So I guess as long as they are "legal adults" you wouldn't have a problem with all of this if the page was your son or daughter. This scumbag was requesting pictures and meetups with these kids. Do you really think it was all in "good fun and friendship"?

Why don't you try to put your political shades aside for a moment and actually read the emails Foley sent to these kids, emails that were sent AFTER they left DC. These kids were under his authority while working as congressional pages. But apparently you're okay with all that.

Foley is scum. Defending him is absolutely incomprehensible, and yet you are. It's no better than the Dems defending Frank or Studds or Clinton or whomever you wish to use as a distraction from the central issue. Foley is scum.

You can blame whomever you wish for the fallout/timing, but that doesn't change the fact that Foley is scum.

Disputing that the instant messages are real? Because if the emails were the sum total of the matter, I really doubt Foley would have resigned.

But there are claims that the IM's were held by the Soros group CREW, which just released them now, and that this is the first time anyone in Congress (other than Foley) has seen them.

didn't make any claims of innocence, and has checked into treatment.

I do wonder where they have been the last three years, and when whoever got them, got them, and who all saw them.

I think Foley did what he did, and was an idiot for doing it, and if charged with a crime and convicted, I hope he enjoys his stay in prison.

I think for me the main questions are:

Who had the IMs for the last three years?
Who obtained them from the Page in question, and how long have they had them?
What congressional leaders saw the IMs and when did they see them?
If Foley had such a reputation for being interested in the Pages, why wasn't congress doing anything to stop it-and I don't buy for a minute that his actions were some kind of GOP well kept secret, if everyone in the GOP knew, and the Pages knew, then I am willing to bet the dems in congress knew.

The emails are weird, but they aren't the sexually explict stuff in the IMs. The IMs are just outright scary.

"I think Foley did what he did, and was an idiot for doing it, and if charged with a crime and convicted, I hope he enjoys his stay in prison."

If he did, in fact, do what he is accused of doing, I suspect that the possibility of him enjoying his stay in prison is higher than it would be otherwise.

Man is free at the moment he wishes to be. --Voltaire

I had a conversation with a gentleman who has worked for the NRC for almost 25 years. He was on campus doing some recruiting. The NRC expects applications for ~110 new nuke plants over the next 3-5 years. They are trying to the get ahead of the expected employee shortage by hiring 300-350 additional staff this next year.

I went through the Navy Nuclear Power School in late eighties. When I got out of the Navy there was ZERO nuke power employment in USA. I'm glad to see those days changing. Anything that can lower our dependence on foriegn oil is a good thing to my mind.

The French figured it out decades ago. Engineer ONE proven reliable design and replicate....common parts, common repair/maintenance procedures...

Here in USA everyone wants to do bigger/different....I think we would be well served to use a common design, but that won't happen I'm sure.

Was on hand. That must have been a lot of fire on top of those nachos...

"Always be honest with yourself even if you are honest with no one else...
...It helps you keep track of your lies..."
--Myself

and nachos? Ewwwwww.

John
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"Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." - Ronald Reagan

Can't you just see the trial with the guy who plays the sun for those Jimmy Dean commercials, and Gore becoming progressively unhinged?

"I'm kind of old-fashioned. I like to engage my brain before my mouth." Donald Rumsfeld

Chevrolets are located that so warmed the Earth 10,000 years ago when half of the states of South Carolina, North Carolina and Georgia were under the Atlantic Ocean?

GM betrayed this country. They played on our fears.

"Our" fears Lil Al? Who drove that 8000 B.C. Impala Deluxe?

I withdraw the question.

Now second fiddle, your former Boss whiner victim of the far right Willie Der Shliekmeister says that if Right Guard and Arrid don't stop killin' B.O., that you could lose 50 feet of Manhattan in 50 years. I assume Columbia, Raleigh and Valdosta are safe, but I digress. My question is: Where will the Knicks play in 2056?

Chappaqua

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"Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." - Ronald Reagan

cigarette smoke as terrible for the ever-so-fragile environment, the latest in Loonie Al's panic driven reservoir of fear.

Is having a really hard time getting on the Front Page...

"Always be honest with yourself even if you are honest with no one else...
...It helps you keep track of your lies..."
--Myself

It's clear that you have no principles whatsoever, and you'll just latch onto any invented scandal, even if it's proven to have been invented, and repeat it over and over to keep your blood boiling.

Big brother Howie is pleased that you spent your five minutes of hate here at RS today, I guess.
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

Dude, you are indeed living in a state of denial.

What, Abu Graib didn't happen? Mission Accomplished didn't happen? Waterboarding didn't happen? No Post War Plan didn't happen? What about war profiteering? No congressional oversight? None of that happened? Talk about your high crimes and misdemeanors - perhaps you’re watching too much Fox news.

Claiming Democrats want to cut and run is damaging to the country, thoughtless and misleading. Oh that’s right, republicans can only lead with misdirection, otherwise you’d have to be crazy to follow.

You’re darn tootin’ I have a lot of hate. I hate what Bushco has done to my country and then I have to witness people like you who blindly follow no matter what they do.

Perhaps you should attempt to hold our leadership accountable for their incompetence and arrogance. That would be much more productive than banning little ol' me.

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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

Keep up the good work.

never want to accept the followups to all of these scandal stories, the parts of the stories that bear out the truth. They want to hang on to their initial impressions and how well it serves their emotional and prejudicial needs.

Funny how they also disregard that to disparage Fox News is to insult employees and regular contributors like Alan Colmes, Juan Williams and Mara Liasson. Maybe they don't like smart liberals, etiher?

So give me the follow up to Abu Ghraib, Legislating Torture (which just happened yesterday), backdoor draft, waterboarding.

Please, I'd love to know.

then why would you appreciate my efforts at itemizing it all for you now? You can find it on your own if you so desire, if you're really a "free-thinker."

Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib supposedly are wishing our people were still in charge. Details of the interrogation guidelines bill have been discussed at length and the legislation is available online. If there's any truth to the "waterboarding" thing then you can find that on your own, too; remember that sensation is not documentation.

What is this backdoor draft you speak of?

I enlisted in the military in 2000, when Clinton was still in office. The whole process was explained, and makes perfect sense. If my enlistments ends while we are at war, and I am deployed, I will be kept in for as long as I'm needed. The IRR (inactive reserve) was also explained. I was required to drill with my unit for 6 years, followed by 2 years of IRR where I could be called up if we are at war.

I enlisted knowing full well what could happen.

What the hell is so hard for you liberals to understand? It's common f*****g sense. There is nothing shady going on here. Everyone who had been in the military knows what it is. Why would you not retain experienced soldiers during a time of war? To release them is absurd, it is yet another example of why liberals can not be put in charge of national security.

"Backdoor draft" is just another one your little smear phrases that relies on all kinds of nasty connotations, but hold little weight when actually examined.

PS - If you want to see people advocating a draft, head to Dkos.

Evil prevails only when good men do nothing.

Watch you language -- you have an excellent point and I'd hate to see someone with your experience and viewpoint banned for a technicality like that.

Otherwise, thank you for your service and thank you for the information above.

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Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same. -The Fray, "All At Once"

This is a no-profanity site. Your comment has been edited accordingly. Thanks in advance for your understanding.

I wasn't aware.

Evil prevails only when good men do nothing.

[shameless plug]I can assist you when/if you want to return to service... [/shameless plug]

I actually think he was talking about the attempt to arrange a Mandatory Service law by that Congressman from NYC.

"Always be honest with yourself even if you are honest with no one else...
...It helps you keep track of your lies..."
--Myself

Note how his list went from 16 to 4 just like that.

Evil prevails only when good men do nothing.

Mission Accomplished - Troops on carrier accomplished their mission to remove the baathist Regime of Saddam Hussein

Abu Ghraib - zero killed - zero tortured as classically defined - rogue 3rd shift guards that harrassed prisoners are serving prison terms

Extraordinary Rendition - originally authorized and executed by Clinton

Legislating Torture - no bills pending

Waterboarding - apparently saved thousands of american lives

Nation Building - follows regime removal - under GOP it follows removal of reh=gimes that area security threat to our intyerests; under democrats, it follows massive killing of civilians from air campaigns against nations that don't threaten us and which are populated by peple that are not white christians, unless we are bombing them

Backdoor draft - close the door

Yellow Cake Uranium - Saddam sought from Niger - and tons or uranium were found in Iraq and reported by the NYT

No Post War Plan - what was Clinton's post be a paper tiger and never go to war plan? compatible cell phones as thousands die?

State of Denial - its a river

Foley's Sex Scandal - no perjury. no contempt fines. no disbarrment

Jack Abramaoff - Clinton refused to prosecute ort pardon

Half a trillion dollars - what a majority dem party would spend studying the positive results of sex between 50 yr olds and 16 yr olds

Lying to Congress - The Contras are grateful

Christofascists! - defined as thise that don't want the name of Jesus equated with curse words and prosecuted for uttering

Worst President Ever - james buchanan followed closely by jimmy carter

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"Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." - Ronald Reagan

and you knew it was more effort than you had to make. You won't be appreciated by bryn's ilk for your superior character but you can be proud of it all the same.

whether they be byrnt or have poop for brains or face....beacuse

The Bible demands it!

I was never appreciated by all the basketball foes upon whom I blocked their feeble shots back into their faces either, but

I enjoyed it!

God bless you and thanks jl.

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"Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." - Ronald Reagan

The Internet will be better off for your example set, though I can't say I could bear giving up the fun I have with bullfighting with the invaders, myself.
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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

Au contraire:

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." Prov 26:4

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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

Great verse! I hope that my reply to the man was not "according to his folly." Let us pray for more LH birthdays lest GC commit heresy!

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"Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." - Ronald Reagan

Perhaps others would be more apposite:

"Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding." (Prov. 9:6)

Or,

"A prudent man concealeth knowledge: but the heart of fools proclaimeth foolishness." (Prov. 12:23)

Or,

"Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge." (Prov. 14:7)

Or,

"It is an honour for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling." (Prov. 20:3)

Or,

"Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words." (Prov. 23:9)

And,

"If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest." (Prov. 29:9)

It's only 8pm, I'm not THAT old!

You are wise brother in Christ my friend!

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"Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." - Ronald Reagan

Very next verse:

"Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes!"

:)

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Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same. -The Fray, "All At Once"

Is able to discern which verse applies in any given circumstance. :-)

You know your Old Testament well... at least the Proverbs section of it.

For awhile, I was reading one chapter of Proverbs every day (since there's 31 chapters, it works out well and you read the whole book once a month). I should get back to doing that and learning some wisdom.

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Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same. -The Fray, "All At Once"

A comment like this one reminds me that there are actually people out there who believe all the junk he just spouted. I must remember to keep watch over my children even more closely tonight.

Sweet dreams, baumbryn - dude.

what's wrong with waterboarding?
I went through it during survival school in the Navy. It's intense, but that's the point. Hey, and it's allowable under the Geneva Conventions (for illegal combatant terrorists).

Oh and by the way, Clinton used Extraordinary Rendition. But I guess he doesn't count. Ditto with the phone call data mining programs that went on during the Clinton regime (Total Information Awareness). Mere inconvenient facts.

Si vis Pacem, Para Bellum

President Jenna Bush lambasted Democrats who want to cut and run, insisting that her father's stay-the-course strategy in Iraq and Afghanistan will work with just a few more decades.

Prime Ministers Karzai and al-Maliki, both speaking from exile in Pairs, agreed.

The insurgents in Kabul and Baghdad were reported to be hysterically amused. Three died from laughing so hard their diaphragms ruptured, showing, according to Press Secretary Shannon Doherty, the excellent brilliance of the Bush plan.

Members of the 82nd Airborne beginning their seventeenth in-country tours were not available for comment.

...if it wasn't conceeding that, even in this particular dystopian scenario, the GOP was still more palatable than the Democratic Party to the American electorate.

I'd comment on the semantic content, except that I didn't see any. :)

Moe

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.

1983-intermediate missiles deployed in Germany to counter USSR missiles

1991-Berlin Wall falls

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"Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." - Ronald Reagan

for at least understanding and appreciating that no system is better than the free market economy. People can be wrong about some things but get other things exactly right.

Now Steve Liesman I don't get. He's useful for knowing some Russian, I guess, but I've heard him say that cutting taxes never results in raising revenue, which we know is a lie. I would expect better than that from business reporting.

I still love all of the awesome women of CNBC.

"I'm just beginning...The pen's in my hand...Ending unplanned"

said that before posting anything else here. Sorry for people trying to crash the party.

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"Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." - Ronald Reagan

I'm not sure "educational" is the word I would use, unless I'm being educated in the finer workings of Bob Woodward's brain. Still, I'm feeling the urge to (again) break my rule of not discussing a book I have not read.

"I'm kind of old-fashioned. I like to engage my brain before my mouth." Donald Rumsfeld

Go kiss up at an Al Jazeera message board or something. Your derangement is annoying here.

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If you're seeing shades of gray, it's because you're not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

...couldn't hold out. Swear to God, chickenhawking and depleted uranium; it's the digital equivalent of wearing one's underpants on one's head.

Bye-bye, fascist. Sorry that we've got that whole civilian control of the military thing going on.

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