Senate Results
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By krempasky Posted in 2006 — Comments (209) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
We'll be updating this post as we hear the news.
Pennsylvania: Santorum loses to Casey (Dems + 1)
Ohio: Dewine loses to Brown (Dems + 2)
Connecticut: Lamont loses to Lieberman (it's a wash, but the people rejoice!)
Updates by Adam C:
9:15 - CT-SEN to Lieberman (I). MI goes D both SEN and GOV according to CNN.
9:25 - MD-SEN goes to Cardin (D) according to MSNBC and FOX. That hurts.
9:30 - RI-SEN goes to Whitehouse (D). That's net -3 for Rs.
9:45 - VA-SEN is very close but Allen continues to lead with over 80% reporting. TN-SEN is also close but Corker leads by a few points with 32% reporting.
10:10 - VA-SEN has over 90% of the ballots counted. Allen 50.05%, Webb: 48.75%.
10:25 - MT, MO, VA, and TN are all that is left to be called. TN should be called sooner than the others for Corker. The other three will take a while.
10:40 - VA is 1,080,499 to 1,050,752 for Allen with 94% reporting. That's 50-49. There is a required recount if the race ends within .5% which is highly likely.
11:00 - In NV, another Carter (D) loses.
11:10 - CA and HI are staying D. VA will not likely be called tonight by my calculations. The absentee ballots are too numerous and the margin is too small in the 29,000 range.
11:15 - WaPo withdraws the call for Cardin in MD. Steele leads in the 45% that has been counted but Baltimore City has not come in yet. Also AZ SEN called for Kyl on Fox.
11:25 - WA stays with Cantwell (D) according to CNN. I believe that leaves only MT, TN, VA, and MO left.
11:40 - RNC Chairman Mehlman argued on CNN that MD SEN should not be called at this point. However, Cardin is now leading on CNN's count 50-48.
11:50 - VA now has Webb ahead by about 2,500 votes with 99% reporting. Either way it will be a recount. I am also hearing conflicting reports on whether the 100,000+ absentee ballots have already been counted or not.
12:25 - FOX reports all votes counted in VA. Webb leads 1,143,144 to 1,140,879. Then Barone corrects that not all VA votes have been counted. Barone also notes that VA tries to count absentees with the original count in each district. So this should be a final count. A recount will follow if Allen calls for one.
12:25 - AP calls TN for Corker (R) but FOX has not yet. 91% are reporting and the margin is 68,000 votes.
12:30 - Fox calls TN for Corker (R). It will be a while before MO, MT, or VA get decided. Rs need one for control. Ds need all 3.
1:05 - I'm headed out. All 3 races are too close to call, but I expect MT and MO to go D based on what information is out there right now. The Senate will likely come down to the VA race which is within 2,500 votes and is going into a recount.
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Fox and MSNBC are doing it too. They're must be some way of saying with some certainty that there is a projected winner or they wouldn't do it.
The polls are closed anyway. It makes no difference.
Don't tread on me.
and it still makes a Helluva difference here. How many people see the calls in the east and say, "to Hell with it" and go on home? There has to be a solution to this!
In Vino Veritas
What a great defense. CNN called a bunch of propositions with 0 votes in. Seems to me there is something wrong with that.
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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
As someone who lives a minute away from a precinct ordered to stay open in Ohio, I find it very amusing that Blackwell/DeWine losses have been called BEFORE THE POLLS ALL CLOSED!
2000, anyone?
CNN's web map hasn't called Pennsylvania yet. Probably a delay on uploading it to the web side, but every little shred of hope, I suppose.
Web map's been updated. Such is life, I suppose. Though it always does tick me off that Philly's results are the first tabulated: Usually gives a grotesque picture of things. Last I checked it was 72-28 in favor of the empty suit.
The Ohio results all come from Ashtabula County as of now. They went 53-46 for Kerry in '04. But once the polls close in Cuyahoga, the numbers should bounce up real quick as the other places have had time to tabulate already.
This sucks. It's not just CNN either calling these before posting a single number. I like numbers. Didn't they used to wait longer? I don't see how the calls can be that reliable with 0% officially reporting.
Still think that the Senate remains Dem. Less confident about the House, although, it's 9:00 and the Dems are only +1.
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These projections are ridiculous. Less than fifteen hundred votes have been counted in Pennsylvania and they're already calling it for Casey?
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Covering the Meier v. Arcuri House race in NY-24.
Has to be calling most of them based on exit polls. We all remember how well that worked out for them last time.
That's true, Palovesmambo. I guess I won't be jumping from any bridges just yet.
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Covering the Meier v. Arcuri House race in NY-24.
We have not had any results for maryland where polls closed an hour ago -- a local radio talk show host just said a few results have come in favorable to Steele & ehrlich. It may be so close that the absentee ballots will have to decide (10%) of the vote absentee.
that's another thing. not only have the votes cast today been counted, but the votes cast weeks ago have not!
We will win tonight because I don't believe the people are as dumb as I think they are.
about a quarter of the vote in, Kean LEADING by 4 or 5 points, reports of only moderate turnout in some heavily Dem counties, and they already call it for Menendez? COME. ON. I seriously hate the media shills and liars for the Dem party that have been decieving the people from years before the election until even after the polls close (in some, but not all states, trying to influence things right down to the end).
We will win tonight because I don't believe the people are as dumb as I think they are.
Last results showed Corker up something like 13 points with about 40% reporting. Yet, the race is not called. Is the media trying to start the wave by late calling R victories and early calling D ones? The west coast is watching.
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Develop alternatives to existing policies and keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. Milton Friedman
calling PA WAY early, but OH not until Wednesday, when PA was closer than OH was. it is freaking criminal.
We will win tonight because I don't believe the people are as dumb as I think they are.
PA offers a compelling case for calling simply because of the fact that Philadelphia and its suburbs are usually the first to deliver their tallies: If you look at the internals of the Casey/Santorum count at this point, a full half of Junior's votes come from Philadelphia County and a healthy chunk from the counties that border it. They're also overwhelming Democratic and, traditionally, the races in PA have almost always been the Republican trying to beat the Philadelphia bloc, which is in part what they base their predictions off of.
I'm more than willing to admit PA's lost: But I'd like for a substantive number of the precincts, especially those outside of the rock-solid Democratic southeast of the state, before a call's made. And that still doesn't even begin to get into absentee ballots, which if VA is any indication, way up this year.
...we don't really care about how y'all vote, we do our own thing...
Corliss Lamont ~ The illusion of immortality.
with a whopping 1% in and Steele up 11 pts.
We will win tonight because I don't believe the people are as dumb as I think they are.
Losing grip on sanity. Must. Hold. On.
Out of chips and salsa already. Looks like a bad night.
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Develop alternatives to existing policies and keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. Milton Friedman
Losing grip on sanity. Must. Hold. On.
Out of chips and salsa already. Looks like a bad night.
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Develop alternatives to existing policies and keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. Milton Friedman
It seems pretty clear the readers here think that CNN is playing us for fools. Kean is winning in NJ with only 8% reporting. According to their methodology page they ARE probably relying on exit polls.
Just like last cycle when they called PA in a closer race than OH was (because it was dem) and left OH until the following day.
All of this to depress the vote out west. I can't believe our editors would hang out with CNN when CNN acts this way. What's next? Blogging from Mother Jones Magazine?
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" - Defoe
By CNN's website, Menendez is up by 37k or so votes with a third of the precincts reporting, which translates to something like 4 percentage points. Wouldn't give up the ship entirely, but if NJ's got a hidden Republican urban stronghold, as oxymoronic as it sounds, now's the time to find it.
CNN thinks it is appropriate to call Cardin with only 1% reporting and Steele leading.
Thank God for Fox, who has just declared they are throwing out the exit polls based on Barone's comment that there seems to be at least a 6% skew to the dems this year based on election returns so far.
Let's hope our editors visit Fox next time.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" - Defoe
CNN's certainly trigger happy, if nothing else. Steele, at the very least, should make things a long night for the Dems in MD. Here's to hoping Burns and McGavick have something magical brewing, lest this be an entirely dour and depressing night.
Though the Bouchard numbers in MI aren't adding up for me. Then again, only 6% of the precincts are reporting and it was another one of those "call it when the first returns appear" races for CNN.
I'm afraid that I'm not optimistic for McGavic, and Burns is 50/50 in my thinking. The western races may have been thrown because CNN cleverly called many eastern and midwestern races with 0 and 1% reporting, while dem lawyers got judges to hold open polling stations past the cut off time - IN MAJORITY DEM DISTRICTS!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" - Defoe
That CNN will be forced to eat a few calls that they made exclusively on exit poll data.
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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
I'm not expecting much, at this point, other than what the desperate discipline desires, as a true believer clinging to hope as the cause implodes around him. I still think Burns can pull it off and, I think, things're going to be a hell of a lot closer in MI, PA, and OH than what the media's let on.
Also, for 2008: Want to fire up the Republican base? Promise the first legislative item of a GOP Congress is federal regulation of election coverage. I really don't care if it's unconstitutional: The courts have already demonstrated they don't give a rat's hind-end about the Constitution when it comes to elections, what with McCain-Feingold. Highest Republican turnout in a generation if you promise that, if only to shut the media up with its early calls.
Websites GC has not visited tonight...
http://gamecock.townhall.com and www.race42008.com
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
Propaganda coverage too.
Life is too short to visit CNN's website (plus I have advanced integrity) but I have time to pass wisdom on to Redstate moby's/troll's ie liars that need spiritual help.
http://gamecock.townhall.com and www.race42008.com
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
Argh, no sooner did I post hopefully than the nets called MD for Cardin & OMalley. Well, we will see. So far the House is not bad, actually -- many of the supposed turnovers are very close. Well, it will be a long night.
Looks like we're losing the Senate, folks.
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Develop alternatives to existing policies and keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. Milton Friedman
I thought Steele had a better than average chance tonight. He is a solid conservative who still has a bright future. McCain/Steele '08?
9:33 P.M. Bill Kristol just said it.
Talent up 12,000 with 6% reporting. Waiting on St. Louis. Hold on Jim!
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Develop alternatives to existing policies and keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. Milton Friedman
I believe the Senate will remain in Republican control. Maybe by 3. We will be picking up some democrat house seats. Crystol on Fox is bleating doom and gloom.
HERE COMES THE DEMOCRATS!
This is not a Senate race but having the R next to the name has killed both Steele and Ehrlich. Even with the Washington Post's endorsement Ehrlich has lost the governorship in Maryland.
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Develop alternatives to existing policies and keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. Milton Friedman
From Hee Haw:
Gloom, despair, and agony on me;
Deep dark depression, excessive misery;
If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all;
Gloom, despair, and agony on me.
Keep your chin up; it ain't over till it's over!
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Develop alternatives to existing policies and keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. Milton Friedman
LETS NOT PANIC
THESE RESULTS CANT INCLUDE THE AB'S
Fox is still not calling Tennessee. They're not calling Virginia. They're not calling Missouri.
Pray, people. Pray.
Why won't the networks call this race?
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Develop alternatives to existing policies and keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. Milton Friedman
Fox is being very careful on the firewall races. Extremely careful. We may not know until after midnight.
Talent is up by 29040 (9.8% lead) with 13% reporting. Our district 131 has reported ZERO and our district is 3 to 1 R. He is going to win this one.
And the cloning bill is behind. Yea!!!!
I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.
The crazy lefties in KC and StL have not reported _at all_. Even my district, which is slow to report is over 40 percent in. This could be real trouble. I just hope someone is there watching their ballot boxes.
I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.
Yes, men are voting for Allen because of football, while women are voting for Webb because of Iraq.
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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
Because, as we all know, Republican voters are Neanderthals animated only by that which they can relate to, while Democratic voters are nuanced and sensitive and are motived only by their concern over the issues and...
Oh, I can't do it anymore. You know this leads. Gods only know we've heard it enough over the years.
The lead is widening. Now up 71,000 with 60% reporting.
C'mon Fox, grow a pair! The Republicans are actually allowed to win a few races tonight. Call this one for Corker!
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Develop alternatives to existing policies and keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable. Milton Friedman
Hey, it's still almost impossible for Dems to win the senate. There are are four races still open -- Tennessee, Montana, Virginia and Missouri. Dems have to win three of four. It's not gonna happen. At a minimum we win TN and MO. As of now, Talent and Corker have been ahead all night. I have hopes for Montana, though I still think we lose Virginia.
So, we're holding the Senate....probably
Sounds to me like neither TN nor MT are "shoe-ins", so say Virginia goes D...so goes the Senate...regardless, we've got a lame-duck presidency from here on out though I can't wait for the Republicans to claim this was a mandate on "staying the course" in Iraq!
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Virginia is not being called becuase there are still counties in Arlington and Richmond city outstanding.
Webb might get over the Top. Allen ran crazy campaign commercials about novels etc. He deserves to lose but hoping he hangs on up 18,000 with 94% counted
Men went to the polls thinking they were picking a fantasy football team, according to CNN, so Allen should be OK.
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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
But I have to say that watching Lieberman's victory speech just made me a little happier. I really enjoyed that.
When those two counties are added the Allen lead will be trimmed by 20-24 thousand votes.
I don't see how Allen pulls this out. The only counties still not 100% counted are the Dem strongholds in NOVA.
Drink Good Coffee. You can sleep when you're dead.
My guess is about 100,000. As of tonight I was talking to people in DC who were repeating that Allen was a racist who was referring to blacks as monkeys because of that statement. The coverage worked, I agree -- I'm calling this one closed, Allen loses.
Arlington and Alexandria are 100% in. Michael Barone himself notes that there's a balance of precincts left outstanding and it's hard to say what's going on - there are some Allen areas and some Richmond precincts. Not at all clear that Allen "is toast."
With 34% reporting, Steele is now winning. What gives?
One nation, in the courtrooms, with litigiousness and judicial activism for all.
A poll taken 48 hours before the election showed Blanchard leading Engler by 14 points. ... Yet Engler eked out a stunning win by seven-tenths of one percent — less than 18,000 votes.
So far, nothing has been surprising. We haven't lost anything in the Senate that I didn't expect to lose yesterday yet, and I was predicting -3 (-2 factoring in the useless Chafee effect). We'd have to lose something else for me to consider it a bad night. It seems very unlikely that the Dems will take the Senate.
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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
My back of the envelope calculation was made by extrapolating turnout from previous elections to the present election based on turnout in other districts and allocating the share of the vote according to that vote already in. Based of the CNN data I still see Allen up a few thousand votes.
There is an additional trove of Democrating votes in Petersburg county that is good for another 2-3 thousand votes. This race may litterally come down to 2-5 thousand votes when these districts come in.
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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
First of all, I'm going to take issue with FOX NEWS tonight. If they can't do anything better than play 'chase the tail' with CNN then they might as well get out of the business! Calling MD for Cardin (Steele is currently ahead with 50-49% with 35% of precincts reporting) when barely 1% of the precints reporting is typical CNN, but I expected more of FOX NEWS.
Also in next door neighbor TN, Bob Corker is mopping the floor with Harold Ford Jr and yet NOBODY AT FOX NEWS HAS THE FRIGGIN GRAPES TO CALL THIS RACE FOR CORKER!
What is going on?!?!?
Don't I get enough disinformation from the other major networks?!? Why FOX NEWS all of a sudden?
Excellent analysis, Haley37. Evidently things fell apart when Tony Snow left.
Steele is now leading Cardin by 5000 votes, 34% of the vote in. Steele is not conceding. This one could go on for a while. In Virginia, I still think Webb is favored but it might be too close to call.
It's at 96% precincts reporting now and Allen still has about a 28,000 vote lead. He's had that lead and pretty much maintained it throughout the night. Allen is going to win his race and Steele is going to win in MD.
According to Fox News, The Wasington Post has retracted it's projection that Cardin has won
FOX reports Steele does not concede.
The longer we dwell on our misfortunes the greater is their power to harm us - Voltaire
Red State! Steele needs your help! We need to stop the cheating in Baltimore City! I know first hand that they'll hold it until last so Cardin wins! STOP THIS TRAVESTY NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We must disenfranchise. Disenfranchise the DEAD!
Arlington is in and Allen's lead is at 13,000. Richmond City and Ptersburg are still ourstanding.
Washington Post withdraws prediction on the Steele race. Steele refuses to concede. Fight the good fight!!!!!
With 97% of precincts reporting, Allen leads Webb by about 12,400 votes. That is a thin margin but Allen is still ahead.
Steele continues to widen his lead over Cardin. It's now at 22,723 votes up for Steele.
His name is Keith Olbermann.
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The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas-a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.-Reagan
More than Cardin in MD ever lead by or Whitehouse for that matter, but no call in this race either.
Question - How come only REPUBLICAN races are 'too close' to call but not DEMOCRATIC ones? Does the media believe it's own spin?
So it would seem.
I called it earlier for Talent, until I looked up District 1 and 3, which have just now started reporting. They are 75+ D. If they had a good turnout, Talent won't pull it out.
I meant what I said and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful 100 percent.
This is ridiculous. Someone call FOX NEWS and tell them to go find their grapes. CALL TENNESSEE FOR CORKER!
Assuming 80-85% turnout Webb will get another 8-9 thousand votes from the remaining Richmon City precincts. ALong with Petersburg Allen should have a 2000-3000 vote lead for the rest of the change coming in from the rest of the state.
In addition to waiting on a few from Richmond City and Petersburg (solidly Webb), there will also be comparatively few for Allen in Gloucester, Northumberland, and Waynesboro. It looks to me like Richmond City and Petersburg will essentially give Webb about 10,000 votes of the 11,000 gap. My prediction is Allen by fewer than 5k votes tonight -- but that will expand when absentees are added.
It's gone from being upsetting to just plain loony.
Corker is still demolishing Ford in TN by the way... hello, major news networks? Is any intelligent life out there???
Listen guys, I don't know how to make this any clearer.
BALTIMORE CITY ALWAYS CHEATS FOR THE DEMS! THEY'RE THE LAST ONES TO COME IN ALWAYS SO THEY KNOW HOW MANY VOTES THEY NEED TO TACK ON IN ORDER TO WIN!
CALL STEELE'S CAMPAIGN AND SEE IF THEY ARE DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT NOW!
This has narrowed more but Allen still leads and Steele in MD leads by about 16,000 plus votes with 48% precincts reporting.
My figuring on the Allen-Webb race indicates that Webb will probably pull enough votes to finish the first count up 2-4k. I think the absentees will make that up for Allen, but it will be very very tight and control of the Senate may depend upon it.
49 with AZ and NV and TN We need 1 from VA, MO, MT, Maryland. MT is tough and Burns may not deserve it. The others will have a majority votes for Republicans, I am sure. I am equally sure the Dems will steal a lot of votes. I know from experience in LA what they can do. It is so pathetic to hear them accuse Rs of stealing when they are always the ones who do it. I guess that is life.
They stole Tx 22 with the courts and that could be the balance.
Mary Landrieu stole her seat. Legit, we have 53 seats. Reality, maybe 49. I'm disgusted, but still optimistic.
What precincts are left to count???
I was just viewing the counties reporting in, and both Arlington and Charlottesville are still not at 100%.
You may be right RedWahoo about VA hanging until absentees are counted.
Still a long night there but TN is still going strong for Corker and in MD Steele is down again about 17,000 votes but there are only 57% of precincts reporting.
Webb now UP by 2400 with 98% in and handfuls in Charlottesville, Fairfax and Arlington still to come. Webb will finish tonight up 5-6k. I'm praying for absentees. It will be VERY close.
99% precincts counted...but there will be a recount. This won't be decided for a few days. Here come the lawyers! Yuck.
They will certainly "find" a few more boxes of votes for Webb.
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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
Not a loss yet but not looking good. Will keep the faith.
Crap, the last thing I feel like hearing for the next two years is how he stole another election. Especially knowing that the opposite is certainly the case.
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The Virginia state site has Allen up by 1800 votes, so I'm not quite sure where you're getting your info from guys.
Probably have embeds in the Democrat ballot generation operation, so it would stand to reason that their counts are more up-to-date.
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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
The Sec of State's website in VA does not show the totals that are coming from CNN and Fox. So where is their information coming from?
G F Allen Republican 1,139,550 49.43%
J H Webb Jr Democratic 1,137,793 49.36%
99.1 reporting...
shes a tight one. gonna endup in recount/court.
I've been following CNN's site, but since it's CNN I don't really trust it.
Corker looks safe, Burns down. Up in Missouri but still have urban areas to go.
The longer we dwell on our misfortunes the greater is their power to harm us - Voltaire
The pessimistic side of me is coming out- Looks like out only hopes are MO and MT, but I'm calling them the other way.
VA goes Webb(D).
TN goes Corker(R).
MO goes McCaskill(D).
MT goes Tester(D).
MD goes Cardin(D).
http://sbe.virginiainteractive.org/index.htm
Precincts Reporting: 2423 of 2443 (99.18%)
Registered Voters: 4,555,672 Total Voting: 2,309,512 Voter Turnout: 50.70 %
Candidates Party Vote Totals Percentage
G F Allen Republican 1,141,753 49.44%
J H Webb Jr Democratic 1,139,885 49.36%
G G Parker Independent Green 25,604 1.11%
Write Ins 2,270 0.10%
How many precincts are they showing reporting in?
I hate to say this, but I think we're looking at an anti-GOP wave. Looks like Allen will lose in Virgina, Talent's lead in MO is too small to hang on IMO, and Tester is doing overly well in Montana.
One bright spot: We should hold Tennessee (of course the way things have worked out so far we do not know).
*SIGH*
Official site has Allen up by 1900.
http://sbe.virginiainteractive.org/index.htm
G F Allen Republican 1,141,753 49.44%
J H Webb Jr Democratic 1,139,885 49.36%
Allen is still up by 2000 votes, with 20 precincts to report.
Talent is up by like 35,000 votes. Absentee ballots always go his way, so if he's ahead, or they've been counted, he wins.
Montana is way too early to call.
Maryland does absentee voting counts tomorrow (It's like 200,000 ballots; probably 4/5 to Steele)
Looks like it's Allen at 1,141,000 and Webb at 1,139,000 per the state's election site.
Post Mortems on FOX. Pelosi and Reid together on stage on CNN. Mathews yukking it up on MSNBC.
The longer we dwell on our misfortunes the greater is their power to harm us - Voltaire
I have to say that I think Burns is a major boob but while losing the House isn't the worst thing in the world, losing both the House and Senate would be very bad.
so why are the networkds saying Webb is leading?
But the official site is kind of shady.
It has a different number of total precincts than the media sites- how does something like that happen, exactly?
Who are you? That sounds trollish to me. Trust CNN over the official arm of the state designated with the task of certifying an election.
Where in the world is Fox getting there numbers on Allen???? The states site shows 20 left to count allen ahead.
The Board of Elections has Allen with 1,141,000+ votes but the networks are saying 100% is counted and Allen has only 1,140,000+ votes. So I don't know where their information is coming from. Someone on air should be informing us where these numbers are sourced.
Let's see: CNN vs. the official site for VA. Who would you pick?
MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14188268/
Jim Webb (DEM) 1,143,144 49%
George Allen (REP)* 1,140,879 49%
Webb up by 2,265
"There's nothing wrong with living like a Republican. But if you want to live like a Republican, vote Democratic." - Harry S. Truman
These numbers do not agree with the Board of Elections in Virginia, as they have them reported on their site.
Where is the media consortium getting the vote tallies?
The toxins are starting to seep under the door. Could you do some mopping please? I'm just not in the mood for a mess tonight and the maid is on strike.
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his numbers to correspond the state websites finding Allen ahead. He had Webb as teh victor based on FOX/CNN say so. Whats going on?
I've been watching the state numbers and MSNBC all night- I don't trust CNN because they don't give numbers on precincts, just percentages.
The networks have been posting numbers before the state website all night, so they're obviously getting their numbers from somewhere else.
Now the VA site shows web up.. and close to the numbers fox is using.
New Tag:
Virginia is for Lawyers.
"There's nothing wrong with living like a Republican. But if you want to live like a Republican, vote Democratic." - Harry S. Truman
Office: U.S. Senate
Precincts Reporting: 2425 of 2443 (99.26%)
Registered Voters: 4,555,672 Total Voting: 2,323,715 Voter Turnout: 51.01 %
Candidates Party Vote Totals Percentage
J H Webb Jr Democratic 1,148,750 49.44%
G F Allen Republican 1,146,952 49.36%
J H Webb Jr Democratic 1,148,750 49.44%
G F Allen Republican 1,146,952 49.36%
18 precincts still out.
The report from Barone is that Virginia attempts to count absentees with the rest of the votes but might miss 5-10% of them.
A recount is guaranteed at this point.
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remember changing with a recount was the one in Washington where the democrats were allowed to cheat.
I thought they were going to wait till next week to call that one.
When I make decisions , I make them on principle , and the principles are derived from who I am. -
George W. Bush
seems to be behind the feed that the news networks are getting. I think when it catches up we'll see it in agreement with Fox. I wonder how many absentees are left to count; Barone says they try to count most of them at the same time as the normal ballots.
The networks seem to have everything in and their totals are lower than the official site. So I don't know exactly what feed they're getting.
We've fought the good fight. We regroup and come back, fight another day. If the Dems take both chambers then they are going to have to govern and provide solutions to issues, just not offer more complaining.
We will see what they decide to do.
As for Republicans, it will be time to see where we need to make improvements. We do need to rally and come together to fight for all that we have accomplished.
We are big boys. We don't whine and cry and act age 6 when we don't get our way. That is for the other side.
Chins up, troops.
Seriously. Whenever the Democrats whine, we cave. That needs to stop. It now seems that there is only 1 person who can stop the Democrats. However, he may be gone before he has a chance to do anything.
Allen giving concession speach now on MSNBC.
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"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
That was not a concession speech. He was clear that the count continues and the election continues.
They are not conceding that this over.
Allen has said that he's talked to some county officials and they have gone home. So all the votes may not be counted before the business day opens.
OK,it's possible that Dems can will all three - Virginia, Missouri & Montana. Now that Tennessee is a Republican hold.
As I've been saying for months, I think Webb has won Virginia -- or rather Allen has lost it. Montana doesn't look good. It comes down to Missouri.
I still think we will win Missouri. I haven't given up on Maryland either.
MSNBC just announced that there are 33,000 votes left to count in a county that is likely to go heavily for Webb. I think it's over. On to MO and MT.
There's only 1 precinct left in Fairfax to count. The other 228 precincts total about 330,000 votes. I don't think that the one precinct left is 33,000 votes.
Still 3 precincts in Loudon that won't be counted until morning.
Can someone tell me what Clay, and Callaway will go. I'm guessing it's just about Clay right now. Because nothing has come from there
Democrats have a mandate! Its called Subpoena-the-bastards!
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"The difference between Republicans and Democrats is simple. Republicans help those that don't need help whereas Democrats help those that do." - Harry S. Truman
They are still reporting both candidates lower than the official site tally. I don't know if they are checking the very obvious source of the public website.
Just curious before I turn in for the night.
http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2006/state.shtml?state=MO
R Jim TALENT 749,011 50
D Claire MCCASKILL 701,924 47
LB Frank GILMOUR 37,161 2
PG Lydia LEWIS 13,860 1
(AP) 08-Nov-2006
Eli Lilly (LLY) ramps up Prozac production in anticipation of the large number of Conservative voters succumbing to post-midterm depression.
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"The difference between Republicans and Democrats is simple. Republicans help those that don't need help whereas Democrats help those that do." - Harry S. Truman
its a setback but it was pretty much expected. I dont think conservatives are going to be freaking out. We just need to refocus and get ready for 2008.
INSIDE BUSH'S HEAD:
zzzzzzzzzz........Condi's ass looks nice in that dress........oh boy, more budget talk........Why does SpongeBob drive a boat on the BOTTOM of the sea?........Note to self: DON'T say "bring it on" again.........my butt itches.........zzzzzzzzz.........I know there's a fundraiser today somewhere.........man, I need a vacation... I'm afraid to attend GI funerals.....zzzzzzzzz....damn I wish I had a pretzel.....I wish my daddy was here, he'd know what to do....zzzzzzzz...why is Dick Cheney givin me the 'evil eye', I think he's readin my brain!.....daddy says I gotta cut down more trees this weekend, I hate that, I always get blisters.....zzzzzzz......Tony Blairs ass looks nice in that suit..... zzzzzz.
I thought about warning everybody that his site wasn't SFW, but I think we all get the idea.
of civility.
Grace as a gift or not, he doesn't deserve it.
Please for the love of God and all that is holy, blam him.
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The ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas-a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated.-Reagan
As Rich Lowrey just put it, the congress just became more conservative. We lost our moderate/liberals and you guys elected some pretty conservative democrats. Result? Painful for us but the far left (of which I'm pretty sure your a proud member)will be left out in the cold. Now run along back to Kos, the grown-ups aren't done discussing the election here yet.
The longer we dwell on our misfortunes the greater is their power to harm us - Voltaire
Not that I care for the message, but the messenger came across pretty well on CNN tonight. Thanks for everyone's work in bringing the results to your contributors.
McCaskill has taken the lead in Missouri by about 14,000 votes.
Not sure that will be reversible with urban votes coming in.
+18,000 for Bush in 2004
-23,000 for McCaskill in 2004 (for Gov)
One nation, in the courtrooms, with litigiousness and judicial activism for all.
Figured it would be unlikely that CNN was holding off on calling it just because they wanted to give Talent every chance of pulling it out, even if it wasn't possible.
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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
If you look at the numbers by county/district, McCaskill has a lead of 6900 votes, that's without looking at other ones. So, where do the extra 7100 votes come from?
And as I have written before, I will hold my nose and hope for a Burns victory. I am going to bed. This has been exhausting.
Also, take not of the following link:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/MO/H/02/county.00...
In the GOP stronghold of St. Louis County (not to be confused with the City) only 36% of the vote has been counted as of 12:17AM. Compare that to St. Louis City (A Democrat stronghold) where 90% of the vote has been counted. Also, there's just a lot of rural counties that haven't come in yet. I'm not saying Talent will definitely win, but he has a definite shot.
A precedent embalms a principle.
- Disraeli
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/VA/S/01/county.004...
"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were and ask why not." George Bernard Shaw
So now Missouri is gone and we are holding out the slim hope of winning Montana....
Senate Majority Leader Harry "the Land Baron" Reid is in our future.
Barring some really bad reporting of the results it would look like the Senate will come down to Webb and Allen. Allen wins and the GOP splits, and essentially holds, the Senate.
Should be interesting.
"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were and ask why not." George Bernard Shaw
But McCaskill and Tester are closing in on 20,000 vote leads. In MO that isn't insurmountable but that would be pretty hard in MT.
FTR according to CNN all precincts but 1% of Virginia Beach have reported and Webb still has the same sliver of a lead....
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/VA/S/01/county.004...
"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were and ask why not." George Bernard Shaw
It doesn't seem like CNN or anybody else has been at all shy tonight about calling races, even with 0% of the vote in. They probably know something.
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"I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work, the more I have of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
"That I might wake up in the morning and Dems have both houses. Then what the heck do we do?!"
"everyone cross your fingers, pray, meditate, do what you do, because this is it."
It should be noted that neither Clay nor Jasper districts have reported and the totals above include just about everything from Kansas City. In the last senatorial election 87726 votes were cast, we are at 92,000+ right now.
St, Loius county, which is only going slightly in mccaskil favor at this point and of course Jasper which will go talents way may hold the key. Does anyone know how Clay county voted previously.
Mo is not over yet, though it will be tight for sure.
- Good things take time...Great things happen all at once.
Clay is likely to split about 50/50. Jasper is the key.
One nation, in the courtrooms, with litigiousness and judicial activism for all.
McCain says he "lost some good friends in the Senate"... DeWine and Santorum. He made no mention of Chafee.
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balloting in Virginia? I know the rule of thumb is that absentee ballots tend to favor the GOP. According to the following link ...
http://sbe.virginiainteractive.org/nov2006/l_02.htm
Allen is trailing Webb by only 1,500 votes. How many absentee ballots are there, and have they been counted yet?
A precedent embalms a principle.
- Disraeli
If there are 150k absentee ballots (I've heard 200k were requested), then a 55-45 split is a 15k vote difference. That would be plenty. BUT, I understand that Michael Barrone said earlier that he thought VA counted them with the regular count. If so, Allen is toast and the Senate is likely Democratic (with the notable assistance of a socialist). But if those absentee ballots are still in boxes, I think Allen pulls it out.
I've been watching Burns ever-so-slowly whittle away at Tester's lead. With 75% in, it's down to 5500 when it had been 11K earlier.
Neither this nor VA may be known for a while.
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Burns still cutting into Tester's lead; down to 3997 with 80% in.
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as well about that is that Beaverhead, Fergus and Glacier are all districts not included yet and in 00 Burns carried them by a combined 5000 votes, so who knows!!!
- Good things take time...Great things happen all at once.
Tester's lead down to 3317 with 83% in.
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Since this is the biggest county in Montana, and it's been sitting at 0% all night, it's looking like this race isn't going to get finished tonight.
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Rush right over to Intrade.com and place your bet on Conrad Burns. You will get some great odds and make a fortune if he pulls it out. Put your money where your mouth is.
my real questions now are-
Will the more conservative democrats newly elected cross party lines, or will they toe the party line-especially on big issues like judges?
And even more, will the GOP have any jumpers who don't want to play minority party?
And last I wonder how Lieberman is received when he caucuses with the demcrats as an independant.
Looking at CNN's electoral map right now, I can't help but see everything that's wrong with modern election calling. On the basis of some 8,000 votes they're calling the election for Brown. Come again? 8,000 out of hundreds of thousands that will be cast? If they are right, good for them. But at least wait for a substantive number of the precincts to start reporting before announcing your calls.